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[3.A.Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction on proposed amendments to the 2020 Midpoint Update of the Comprehensive Plan, Future Land Use Map, and the zoning code. (Staff Contact: Tony D. McIlwain, Development Services Director)]
AND MULTI-GENERATIONAL HOUSING OPTIONS. I'M SORRY, CAN YOU HOLD ON JUST A MINUTE? WE'RE HAVING SOME TRACKING. OKAY. BECAUSE WE WEREN'T CATCHING IT ON VIDEO.ARE WE GOOD? OKAY. OKAY. OKAY.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING FROM SMALL TO GIANT LOTS AND REINVEST IN OUR EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND TO ACHIEVE A BETTER RETURN ON SOME OF OUR PUBLIC INVESTMENT.
SO MOST OF THESE GOALS YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN IN THAT PRESENTATION, IT WAS ALSO ATTACHED AS AN EXHIBIT.
SO I BELIEVE TONY PRESENTED THAT TO P&Z AND THEN STAFF WENT THROUGH I&D OVER SEVERAL MEETINGS.
THE IDENTIFIED AREAS PARTICULARLY PERTAINED TO THE ZONING CODE PORTIONS WHERE ADUS PARKING, STACKING AND QUEUING, AS WELL AS LOOKING AT FUTURE LAND USE MAP UPDATES TO ALIGN WITH CURRENT VISIONS OF THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY.
IN DECEMBER, WE PROVIDED THAT UPDATE WITH SOME PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENTS.
WE WENT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR UPDATES AND RECEIVED DIRECTION.
ADDITIONALLY FOR THE HIGH ENERGY ZONING DISTRICT TALKING ABOUT DATA CENTERS, POWER PLANTS, USES THAT WOULD USE A LARGE AMOUNT OF ENERGY OR CREATE A LARGE AMOUNT OF ENERGY.
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AND THEN AS WELL AS THAT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USE DISTRICT WITH REGULATIONS.AND FROM THAT MEETING, THE DISCUSSIONS LED TO POTENTIAL TRAFFIC IMPACTS OF THOSE AMENDMENTS.
SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT ALLOWING HIGHER DENSITY AND PARTICULARLY AROUND THE I-35 CORRIDOR.
THERE WAS A MENTION ABOUT AN ALLOWANCE FOR LARGER ADUS THAN WHAT WAS CURRENTLY PROPOSED, SPECIFICALLY WITH RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS REQUIRING A LOT SIZE GREATER THAN SF-16. AND AT THAT MEETING, THERE WAS A REQUEST THAT WAS PASSED FROM STAFF TO COUNCIL FOR A JOINT MEETING TO KIND OF DISCUSS THE SCOPE AND NATURE OF THESE PROPOSALS AND THE MID-POINT, AND TO BETTER UNDERSTAND UNDERSTANDING OF LINE DIVISIONS, AS THE MAYOR ALLUDED TO AT THE BEGINNING.
THANKS. EVERYBODY SHOULD BE CAUGHT UP ON WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO THESE ARE THOSE SLIDES KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THOSE SPECIFIC AREAS.
AND THEN BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO REMEMBER.
SO ADUS, SO THE PROPOSED STAFF DEFINITION WAS A SELF-CONTAINED HOUSING UNIT INCLUSIVE OF SLEEPING, COOKING AND BATHROOM FACILITIES ON THE SAME LOT AS THE PRIMARY DWELLING AND APPLICABLE TO OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
THE PROPOSAL WAS THAT IT WOULD BE NO LARGER THAN A GROSS FLOOR AREA OF 900FT², OR ONE HALF OF THE PRIMARY DWELLING UNIT, WHICHEVER WAS SMALLER. SO IF, IF THE HOUSE, FOR INSTANCE, WAS 1600 SQUARE FEET, THEN THEY'D BE LIMITED TO 800FT² ADU.
SO THESE ARE SOME STANDARDS TO KIND OF GIVE US SOME PROTECTIONS AND SOME CODE ENFORCEMENT, AS WELL AS TO JUST MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE A PROLIFERATION OF ADUS ON ONE LOT, WHICH ISN'T THE INTENT TO TURN IT INTO A FULL BLOWN MULTIFAMILY.
AND THEN I PROVIDED SOME EXAMPLES. SO SOME OTHER SOME OTHER STATES HAVE MANDATED ADUS BE ALLOWED.
AND SO WE USED THAT AS KIND OF OUR BASIS ON SOME OF THE REGULATIONS AND ALSO SOME OF THE EXAMPLES.
SO A LOT OF WHAT WE RESEARCHED WAS 900 SEEMED TO BE A PRETTY COMMON SIZE FOR THOSE.
AND, YOU KNOW, STAFF'S ALSO LOOKING AT LOT COVERAGE, HOW MUCH CONCRETE ARE WE PUTTING? HOW MUCH YARD ARE WE TAKING AWAY? IS IT GOING TO INCREASE RUNOFF, FLOODING, PARKING? BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO NOW PUT A PARKING SPACE. SO ALL THOSE KIND OF WENT INTO THE FACTOR.
AND THEN ALSO PROVIDING A STANDARD THAT WORKS.
IT'S HARD TO WRITE A CODE THAT WORKS FOR EVERY INSTANCE, BUT SOMETHING THAT WOULD WORK FOR 99% OF THE TIME, AND THAT IS THE ADU PROPOSAL. WE ALSO ADDED IN THERE A NON RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS TO ALLOW THOSE TO BE AS AN SUP SO THIS WOULD BE POTENTIALLY OLD TOWN CONTINUES TO DEVELOP, SOMEBODY DOES SOME LIKE LOFTS ABOVE BUSINESSES AND THEY WANTED TO HAVE ADU, SO WE PROVIDED ALSO A RECOMMENDATION FOR A PATH FORWARD FOR THAT TO BE AN OPTION AS WELL IN NON RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR ADU DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT.
GET THIS THING TURNED ON. GOT A QUESTION ABOUT BUSINESS TENANT.
I UNDERSTAND THE BUILDING OWNER HAS TO LIVE IN THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE OR IN THE ADU, BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A BUSINESS TENANT, I'M SURE YOU MEANT A RENTAL PROPERTY, RENTING IT OUT TO SOMEBODY, BUT A SECOND FAMILY MEMBER OR CHILD OR AS BUSINESS TENANT.
COULD THEY ACTUALLY OPEN A BUSINESS THERE AND HAVE OTHER VEHICLES PARKED OUT IN FRONT OF THE PLACE AS CUSTOMERS? SO THIS THE GENESIS FOR THAT, OR THE IDEA BEHIND THAT WAS THAT IF I HAVE A, I'LL JUST TAKE BUFFALO BROTHERS REDEVELOPS AND I OWN BUFFALO BROTHERS.
AND I TURNED THE UPSTAIRS INTO A, AN APARTMENT APPROVED BY AN SUP BY COUNCIL.
THAT APARTMENT WOULD EITHER BE OCCUPIED BY ME AS THE OWNER OR MY FAMILY.
WE WOULD LIVE IN THAT APARTMENT. SO WE WOULD KIND OF YOU HOW YOU SAW MAYBE IN THE, IN THE MOVIES, THE 1950S DOWNTOWNS, YOU KNOW, THE FAMILY, BOB'S BURGERS, YOU KNOW, THEY LIVE UPSTAIRS AND THEY OPERATE THE BUSINESS DOWNSTAIRS OR THE TENANT THAT BEING IF I OWN THE BUILDING, BUT I RENT IT OUT TO J'S HAMBURGER STAND, J AND HIS FAMILY COULD LIVE IN THAT ADU BECAUSE THEY ARE WHO IS RENTING AND RUNNING THE BUSINESS, EVEN THOUGH I OWN THE FULL BUILDING.
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THEY HAD THE OPTION TO RENT IT OUT WITHOUT CITY CONTROL OR OVERSIGHT.IS THAT NOT TRUE? SO AND, AND THIS IS WRITTEN GENERALLY ANY NON RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
BUT CURRENTLY WE DO NOT ALLOW FOR THAT. IN THE MAJORITY OF OUR SITUATIONS WE MAY HAVE A 380 OR SOMETHING OR A PD ON THE BOOKS THAT IT WOULD ALLOW FOR IT IN A SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCE, BUT THIS WOULD OPEN IT UP FOR AN SUP FOR ANYONE TO REQUEST FOR NON RESIDENTIAL IN A.
IN A TRADITIONAL ZONING DISTRICT, THERE WOULD BE, YOU ARE CORRECT THERE.
THAT'S WHY IT'S BEEN STRUCTURED TO BE WITH AN WITH ESSENTIALLY A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT OR A PD ZONING WITHIN AN SUP, OR A PD ZONING DISTRICT. WE CAN SPECIFY THE CHARACTER OF THE TENANT, NOT NAME THE INDIVIDUAL, BUT WE CAN ESTABLISH A CHARACTER OF THE TENANT THAT COULD BE OCCUPYING THE PREMISES.
OKAY, SO THIS WOULD JUST BE TO GIVE US MORE CONTROL OVER WHO GOES IN AND WHO DOESN'T.
COUNCIL MEMBER SCOTT, THIS WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY FOR A RESIDENTIAL BASED PURPOSE.
OKAY, WELL, MAYBE I'M READING IT WRONG. ADUS IN NONRESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUFFALO BROTHERS. WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT.
CORRECT. SO LIDON WAS USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE, AS IF THE SECOND FLOOR OF BUFFALO BROS.
AN ACCESSORY USE IS A SECONDARY USE FOR RESIDENTIAL, MUCH LIKE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
IF WE HAVE THE ADUS THERE, A SECONDARY RESIDENTIAL ACTIVITY.
PRIMARY USE IS STILL THE PRINCIPAL USE. THE ACCESSORY ISSUE IS WHAT ESTABLISHES THE DIFFERENCE HERE.
WITH THAT SAID, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT DURING THE PHASES LEADING UP TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PLAZA AND THE BUILDINGS THAT HOUSE BUFFALO BROS, THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME, AND THIS COUNCIL WAS, OF COURSE, ABLE TO CHANGE THE OPINION, BUT THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME HAD A VERY STRONG OPINION THAT WE DID NOT WANT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, AT LEAST IN THE PLAZA AREA. AND FOR A LOT OF GOOD REASONS THAT AREN'T REALLY WORTH GOING INTO.
AND I KNOW THAT WAS JUST AN EXAMPLE YOU CHOSE AND IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY APPLY EVERYWHERE, BUT OVERLOOKING A PUBLIC PARK IS NOT, IN MY OPINION, THE RIGHT PLACE TO HAVE A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
I GUESS THE ADU REPRESENTS RESIDENTIAL AND THAT'S WHERE I'M LOSING THE RESIDENTIAL PART OF IT.
OKAY. THAT'S WHERE I WAS LOST. THANK YOU. NOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALSO, WE COULD EXCLUDE CERTAIN BUSINESS DISTRICTS, LIKE IF WE DON'T ALLOW THE, THE SUP IN CENTRAL COMMERCIAL ZONING, WHICH WOULD TAKE CARE OF OLD TOWN, BUT WE WOULD ALLOW IT IN A GENERAL RETAIL OR COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL ZONING.
RIGHT. AND THEN CAN. HOW DOES IT. DOES THE SUP GO WITH THE LAND OR? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE BUFFALO BROS AND IT'S THERE, BUT THEN THEY LEAVE AND SOMEBODY ELSE COMES.
AND NOW THAT PERSON CAN LIVE IN THERE? OR DO THEY NEED TO GET A NEW SUP FOR THE? CITY COUNCIL WOULD DETERMINE THAT BY THE CHARACTER OF THE ORDINANCE THEY ADOPT.
OKAY. I WOULD I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT. THAT WAY WE CAN CONTROL KIND OF A LITTLE MORE CONTROL.
THE IDEA OF BEING OF ESTABLISHING IT AS AN SUP IS IT GIVES THE COUNCIL THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER THE CHARACTER OF THE SPECIFIC USE OR BUSINESS, AND TO MAKE AN INDIVIDUALIZED DETERMINATION OF WHAT THEY THINK IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY.
OKAY. THAT COULD BE LIKE A SITE PLAN. IT'D BE SIMILAR TO SITE PLAN ZONING THEN AT THAT POINT.
OKAY. YES, SIR. AND COUNCILMAN RUSSELL, JUST SO WE'VE PUT IT AS NON RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS BECAUSE ANY TIME IT'S GOING TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL. SO YOU CAN HAVE THAT DISCRETION TO SAY YES OR NO.
AND IT MAY BE NO BECAUSE IT OVERLOOKS A PARK IN THIS INSTANCE.
BUT YES BECAUSE OF THE CIRCUMSTANCE IN THIS INSTANCE BASED OFF GEOGRAPHY OR NORMALLY MAYBE WE DON'T WANT AN INDUSTRIAL, BUT IN THIS CASE THEY NEED A CARETAKER ON THE PROPERTY 24/7 BECAUSE THERE'S BOILERS OR SOMETHING AND YOU WANT TO APPROVE IT.
SO WE LEFT IT AS SUP OR PD SO IT'S NOT, JUST YOU CAN DO IT IN THIS ZONING, NOT THAT ZONING.
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AND THEN IT CAN YOU MAY HAVE A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE YOU HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.LIDON, CAN I ASK YOU TO BACK UP TO THE FIRST ADU SLIDE THERE YOU.
YEAH, THERE YOU GO. ON THE SECOND LINE, SECOND SENTENCE THERE, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION AT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WHEN THIS CAME FORWARD ABOUT TAKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE SUMMIT SUBDIVISION THAT'S PROPOSED, AND THE TALL GRASS SUBDIVISION BOTH HAVE ESTATE LOTS ESTABLISHED IN THERE. AND THERE WERE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FACT THAT WHICHEVER IS SMALLER WAS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU TAKE IT AS ANOTHER EXAMPLE THAT THEIR STOCK IS A STATE THAT'S ON 1020, IF HE WANTED TO DO AN ADU AND WANTED TO DO IT GREATER THAN 600FT², 900FT², HE COULDN'T DO IT.
BUT HE'S OBVIOUSLY GOT THE LAND USE AND THE ABILITY TO DO IT.
SO WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WAS THE POSSIBILITY OF STAFF LOOKING AT EXPANDING THAT TO ACREAGE WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE INCORPORATED INTO IT OR SOMETHING.
SO A COUPLE OF THINGS I GUESS, AND WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT.
ONE WAS THE INTENT AND PURPOSE OF THE ADU IS WHAT'S THE INTENT AND PURPOSE? IS IT A SECOND 2000 SQUARE FOOT HOME? IF THAT'S THE INTENT, THEN THEY SHOULD PROBABLY REPLAT THE PROPERTY INTO TWO LOTS.
IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE A SECOND FULL SIZE HOME ON THE PROPERTY ISN'T THE INTENT OF HOW STAFF WROTE IT.
SO THOSE ARE DIFFERENT THINGS. WE COULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT MAKING IT LARGER.
YOU COULD DEFINITELY DO AN SUP IF YOU WANT TO GO LARGER.
THERE'S DIFFERENT AVENUES, BUT GETTING INTO THE MULTIPLE ACRES AND HAVING ALL THESE KIND OF SLIDING INDEXES, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE CODE SOMEWHAT SIMPLE.
AND I GUESS IT'S LOOKING AT IT'S WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST HAVE THEM REPLAT THE PROPERTY? BECAUSE I HAVE 2000 AND A 4000 SQUARE FOOT HOME.
TEN YEARS GO DOWN, THE PROPERTY CHANGES HAND.
NOW I SELL THAT 2000 SQUARE FOOT HOME ON MY PROPERTY.
SOMEBODY ELSE AND I'M DOING IT BY DEED. AND WE START RUNNING INTO SOME.
AS WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS AND WRITING IT. ONE OTHER THING WE'VE ALWAYS CONSIDERED WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ADUS IS THE TAXING EFFECT ON THE WATER, SEWER, AND ELECTRICAL.
IF WE GO LARGER. 1800 FEET OR SO, YOU COULD MOVE IN A LARGER FAMILY AND IT MIGHT BECOME TAXING.
IF YOU HAVE 5 OR 6 ON A BLOCK ON EACH BLOCK. SO WE GOT TO KEEP IT REASONABLE WHERE THE SYSTEMS THAT PRIMARILY SERVE THE CITIZENS CAN KEEP SERVING THE CITIZENS WITHOUT HAVING TO PUT IN EXTRA LIFT STATIONS, LARGER LINES.
POWER COMPANY HAVING STRESS AND POWER OUTAGES, ROLLING BLACKOUTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
LIGHTING. WHEN IT WHEN IT SAYS SEPARATE UTILITY THAT THAT ALSO INCLUDES ELECTRICAL AS WELL.
SO YOU HAVE TO BE A SUB PANEL OFF THE MAIN UNIT.
YES, SIR. THE INTENT THERE IS THAT YOU DON'T END UP WITH A PROPERTY WITH 4 OR 5 METERS, AND THERE MAY BE SOME INSTANCES WHERE SOMEBODY HAS ALREADY HAS TWO METERS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LARGE WORKSHOP OR SOMETHING. BUT THE INTENT IS NOT TO HAVE ALL THESE SEPARATE METERS, BECAUSE THAT IS ANOTHER, HOPE IS NOT A PLAN, BUT A LOT OF THESE REGULATIONS ARE SO THAT WE DON'T END UP HAVING PEOPLE PUT IN METERS AND ALL THE STEPS SO THAT THEY CAN ILLEGALLY SUBDIVIDE AND START SELLING OFF. RIGHT. AND MAKING THEIR OWN SUBDIVISION ON THEIR PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF THESE ARE KIND OF GEARED TOWARDS, TO BE HONEST.
NOW YOU JUST KIND OF HIT ON WHERE I WAS GOING WITH IT.
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YOU'RE LOOKING AT I THINK THE PLOT WOULD BE THE RIGHT WAY.IF SOMEBODY HAS MULTIPLE ACREAGE. AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT QUARTER ACRE, HALF ACRE LOTS AT THAT POINT.
AND AGAIN, THAT 900 SQUARE FOOT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE ONE BEDROOM, ONE BATH AND A KITCHEN.
YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING TOO HUGE THAT IS GOING TO CAUSE SUCH AN OBSTRUCTION.
THERE'S OTHER THINGS TO CONSIDER, WHICH I THINK WOULD PROBABLY TAKE CARE OF OR TONY WOULD TAKE CARE OF, IS THAT AS YOU ADD FACILITIES, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO FROM POSSIBLY 100 AMP METER TO 200 AMP METER, LARGER WIRING, LARGER GAS METER IF YOU HAVE GAS AND YOU TAP OFF THAT AND SO FORTH.
SO THERE'LL BE REGULATIONS THAT WILL BE ADDED TO THIS ADU THAT WILL REQUIRE UPGRADES SO THAT YOU WON'T OVERLOAD YOUR YOUR ELECTRICAL PANEL OR YOU WON'T RUN LOW ON GAS AND PILOTS START GOING OUT.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR DIRECTION FOR ADUS OR CAN MOVE ON? I SHOULD ALSO SAY THAT IF YOU HAD AN ADU, YOU COULDN'T.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE SAME ADDRESS. YES IT WOULD, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE SAME.
THEY COULDN'T IT COULDN'T BE ADDRESS NUMBER B.
SO. SO THE INTENT HERE IS THAT IT'S A FAMILY.
SO ONCE WE START GETTING ADDRESSES AND EVERYTHING, THAT'S WHERE YOU START SEEING THE PROLIFERATION OF I'M CREATING A MINI SUBDIVISION ON MY, MY. WELL, I BROUGHT THAT UP AT THE LAST MEETING ONLY BECAUSE OF CENSUS.
REGULATIONS OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW. WHEN I DID THE CENSUS IN 2000, THERE WERE A LOT OF PLACES THAT DID HAVE SEPARATE LITTLE UNITS. MAYBE SOMEBODY LIVED THERE.
BUT WHEN YOU HAVE ONE ADDRESS, SOMETIMES IT CAN BE A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING AND YOU CAN'T TELL ME I WELL, MAYBE YOU CAN. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT IF THEY DO HAVE AN ADU, THEY'RE GOING TO RENT IT OUT TO SOMEBODY OFF THE STREET ANYWAY.
AND WE KNOW THAT. THAT SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS. I JUST THOUGHT, WELL, DO YOU DISTINGUISH IT SOME WAY OR.
SO THE CODE IS MEANT TO GENERALLY GIVE US SOME SOME LEVERAGE IF WE HAVE TO ENFORCE THINGS.
BUT THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOMEONE THAT'S GOING TO GO AROUND THE CODE OR GO AROUND THE RULES, AND WE'LL HAVE TO USE CODE ENFORCEMENT. BUT ADDRESSING CAN BE TOUGH.
YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY GETS AN ADDRESS THROUGH THE POST OFFICE OR SOMETHING, SOME BACK CHANNEL, THAT HAPPENS A LOT IN THE COUNTY. PEOPLE GET ADDRESSES BEFORE THEY HAVE REPLATTED LOTS.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE USUALLY ON THE BACK END OF CLEANING THAT UP AS A STAFF LEVEL.
BUT LIKE I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF TIMES, A LOT OF THESE ARE IN HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO MITIGATE, YOU KNOW, IT SAYS LIMIT A ONE ACCESSORY DWELLING WITH SHORT TERM PERMITS WON'T BE ISSUED.
SO WE'RE TAKING WHICHEVER IS SMALLER. SO THE PRIMARY UNIT IS 1200 SQUARE FEET.
THEN THAT MEANS THE ACCESSORY WOULD BE 600FT².
600 IS VERY SMALL. SO IS THERE COULD WE JUST BASELINE IT AT 900FT² INSTEAD OF BEING LIKE WHICHEVER IS SMALLER? BECAUSE WHAT IF A, A, A CHILD, LET'S SAY JUST GOT NEWLY MARRIED AND THEY HAVE A KID ON THE WAY, BUT THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY A HOUSE AT THE MOMENT. BUT THEIR PARENTS HAVE AN ADU, THEY HAVE A KID, THERE'S NO ROOM TO HAVE A CHILD BASICALLY OUT AND ABOUT IN A 600 SQUARE FOOT ADU.
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SO COULD WE POSSIBLY PUT IT AT 900FT²? SO THE POSSIBILITY OF A MAYBE A SECOND BEDROOM.SO WE CAN DEFINITELY ALL OPTIONS ARE OUT THERE.
STAFF, LIKE I KIND OF MENTIONED, WE TRY TO WRITE IT TO TO COVER 99% OF THE SCENARIOS.
SOME THINGS WE PROBABLY DON'T WANT IS IF GENERALLY, MOST OF OUR NEW BUILDS BASED OFF OUR OWN CODE REGULATIONS HAVE TO BE A MINIMUM OF 1800 SQUARE FEET ANYWAYS. SO YOU'D BE TALKING ABOUT OLDER HOMES GENERALLY AND A LOT OF TIMES ON SMALLER LOTS.
SO IF I HAVE MAYBE A SMALLER OLD TOWN LOT THAT HAS A 1200 SQUARE FOOT HOME, YOU KNOW, 1950S NUCLEAR STYLE HOME, AND I COULD TELL PEOPLE THEY CAN PUT A 900 SQUARE FOOT.
THERE'S PROBABLY NOT ROOM FOR A 900 SQUARE FOOT.
SO NOW IT, IT PRIMARY USE THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
SO SOME OF THAT IS GEARED TOWARDS THOSE HOUSES THAT ARE SMALLER THAN 1800 SQUARE FEET.
AND THAT'S WHY IT'S A 50% OF IT. IT'S JUST BECAUSE IF I HAVE SEVERAL HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, 1200 SQUARE FEET, AND THEN I DROP A 900 SQUARE FOOT ADU, IT STARTS TO KIND OF CHANGE THE CHARACTER KIND OF DRASTICALLY.
I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THOUGH. MAYBE 600FT² ISN'T.
THERE'S ALSO OTHER OPTIONS. THEY COULD DO HOME ADDITIONS INSTEAD OF ADU. THERE ARE OTHER AVENUES.
BUT STAFF STAFF CAN WHATEVER DIRECTION, YOU KNOW, STAFF IS WE CAN PIVOT ON THAT.
I DON'T DISAGREE THAT 800 700. IT'S ALL YEAH.
PERSPECTIVE. I MEAN, MY FIRST HOME WITH THREE KIDS, IT WAS 1100 SQUARE FEET, BUT IT WAS IN WASHINGTON STATE, A LOT SMALLER HOUSES. YEAH. SO IT'S ALL PERSPECTIVE.
TEXAS HOUSES ARE GENERALLY BIGGER. AND YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I'M THINKING ABOUT THOSE OLD.
YES, THE OLDER HOMES, BUT THOSE OLDER HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN ON A PIECE OF LAND.
THAT BRINGS US BACK TO THAT ACREAGE. THEY HAVE THE ROOM FOR IT, BUT THE HOME IS OLDER, BUILT IN, LET'S SAY THE 70S. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EXTRAVAGANT.
AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS LEANING MORE TOWARDS THAT, NOT NECESSARILY THE NEWER BUILDS OR WITHIN THE CITY CITY CENTER NECESSARILY. IS THERE A POINT IN HERE WHERE IT DOES TALK ABOUT THE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PROPERTY? IT DID NOT. SO WE TRIED TO MAKE IT INSTEAD OF HAVING THIS LARGE FOUR PAGE YOU IF MY LOT IS THIS.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE JUST TRY TO MAKE IT VERY UNIVERSAL.
SO THAT WAS A SIMPLER CODE TO FOLLOW. SO WE JUST WENT WITH THE 900.
AND THEN THE 50% FOR THOSE ISSUES IN CASES WHERE IT IS SMALLER.
THERE MAY BE OTHER OPTIONS THAT THEY CHOOSE OTHER THAN ADU, BUT THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE CAN'T HAVE A PROCESS WHERE THEY COME IN WITH THE SUP REQUESTING A LARGER SIZE THAN WHAT THE CURRENT REGULATION ALLOWS, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENS.
A LOT OF TIMES SOMEONE SAYS, YOU'RE TELLING ME I HAVE 900, I WANT 1500.
THERE'S USUALLY AN AVENUE FOR THEM TO FIND RECOURSE, WHETHER IT'S OUR INTERPRETATION OR TAKING IT FORWARD AS A REQUEST OR A PD ZONING, THERE IS SOME OTHER AVENUES. IF THIS IS A STRONG CONCERN OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE CITY COUNCIL, THERE IS A METHOD IN TEXAS LAW TO ADDRESS IT.
YWE CAN ESTABLISH A FLOOR UNDER THE CURRENT STANDARD OF 900 OR 50% OF THE FLOOR AREA, WHICHEVER IS SMALLER, BUT THEN PROVIDE. HOWEVER, SOMEONE SEEKING A LARGER ACCESSORY UNIT CAN FILE FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE. WE WOULD MOVE THAT THROUGH THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A CASE BY CASE DETERMINATION.
IT WOULDN'T BE A VARIANCE REQUIREMENT, SO THERE WOULD BE NO HARDSHIP REQUIREMENT OF FINDING THE CITY COUNCIL IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE CAN SAY TO GRANT A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, THE BOARD MUST CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING FACTORS AND CAN SET OUT WHATEVER FACTORS THEY THINK ARE NECESSARY AS SAFETY CATCHES.
BUT THAT MAKES IT AN ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION WITHOUT CREATING A PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE USES.
THERE IS A SAFETY ZONE WAY TO DEAL WITH THIS.
IF THIS IS A CONCERN OF THE OF THE COUNCIL AND THE P&Z.
SO THAT'S AN OPTION THAT'S VIABLE AS WELL. I ALSO WANT TO TAKE THE TIME COUNCIL AND COMMISSIONERS.
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YOU GOT TO LOOK AT HOW THE UTILITY EASEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED.YOU DON'T WANT TO CROWD THOSE OUT. AND I ALSO CAN'T UNDERESTIMATE VEHICLES.
IT'S VERY RARE THAT YOU HAVE A HOUSEHOLD THAT ONLY HAS ONE VEHICLE.
YOU GET A LARGER ADU, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S GOING TO COME WITH MORE THAN ONE VEHICLE, BUT PARKING WILL BECOME AN ISSUE THAT CHANGES THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S COMMUNITY CHARACTER VERY QUICKLY. AND SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO HAVING MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR A MINIMUM ADU SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IN TOTALITY OF WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT, THAT WE LOOK AT THE FACTORS SUCH AS OFF STREET PARKING AND PLACEMENT OF UTILITIES ON ON THE PROPERTY. I HAVE A QUESTION OR CONCERN ABOUT THE DEFINITION THAT WE'VE CHOSEN TO USE FOR WHAT CONSTITUTES AN ADU. THE WORD SELF-CONTAINED HOUSING UNIT. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO PUT SOMETHING IN THERE THAT IMPLIES THAT THIS IS A SEPARATE BUILDING.
SO THEY DECIDE TO PUT AN ADDITION ON THE REAR OF THE HOUSE AND BUILD A ONE BEDROOM BATHROOM, KITCHENETTE, LIVING ROOM FOR GRANDMA TO LIVE IN.
IS THAT AN ADU OR IS THAT A BUILDING ADDITION? AND IF IT'S AN ADU, DOES THAT INVOKE THE PARKING AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT AN ADU IS, OR DO WE NEED A BETTER DEFINITION OF THE SEPARATENESS OF A EU. COUNCIL MEMBER MCCLENDON.
WE DID HAVE ONE BEFORE AND I THINK WE. THIS IS WHAT WE CHANGED IT TO.
I THINK WHAT THE CONSENSUS WE CAME UP WITH IS, IF IT WAS AN ADDITION UNDER THE SAME ROOF, THAT THAT WAS JUST A HOME ADDITION, WOULDN'T FALL UNDER THE RESTRICTIONS OF ADU IS AFTER TALKING WITH THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT.
SO THEY WOULDN'T THEN BE LIMITED TO 900FT², THEY WOULDN'T BE LIMITED TO THE PARKING, THEY COULD BUILD AN ADDITION ONTO THEIR HOUSE, AS LONG AS THEY DIDN'T EXCEED THE 50% OF THE BACKYARD COVERAGE AND ENCROACH ON THE SETBACKS ESSENTIALLY.
IF IT'S UNDER ITS OWN ROOF OR ON ITS OWN FOUNDATION, SEPARATE FROM THE HOUSE.
I THINK THAT'S THE GUIDELINE. YES, SIR. WELL, AN ADU ALSO TRIGGER THE STANDARD BUILDING CODES FOR A HOME SO THAT WE WON'T BE CONVERTING THESE TWO STORY, AMISH STYLE STORAGE BUILDINGS INTO ADUS? YES, SIR. THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR ADOPTED BUILDING CODES, OUR RSES, AND THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO SUBMIT ALL THE PERMITS FOR A REGULAR HOUSE.
OKAY. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP ANOTHER CAN OF WORMS HERE.
IF WE THE, DO WE HAVE SPACING SET THAT WOULD SATISFY OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT? HOW CLOSELY CAN THESE THINGS BE TOGETHER? SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN OUR JUST OUR ZONING CODE AS IS SPACING REQUIREMENTS BETWEEN STRUCTURES.
YOU JUST CAN'T HAVE THE FULL KITCHEN AND SANITARY FACILITIES.
SO THOSE ARE ALL CODIFIED IN OUR CODE CURRENTLY.
MAYOR. SO THEY WOULD STILL, THEY'D STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW ALL THOSE.
MR.. MAYOR. WITH REGARD TO THINGS LIKE HOSE REQUIREMENTS.
THAT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE CHECKED WHEN YOU ADD A STRUCTURE TO THE, TO THE PROPERTY. ANOTHER THING IS ENFORCEMENT OF SOMEONE RENTING ONE OUT AND GOING DOWN THAT PATH.
I MEAN. THE CITY COULD LOOK REALLY, REALLY BAD GOING IN THERE AND.
TRYING TO FIX THAT PROBLEM. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT.
I'M OKAY WITH THE ADU. LARRY TOUCHED ON IT AND NEEDS TO HAVE A SLAB AND NEEDS TO HAVE, EVERYTHING AT THE MAIN HOUSE HAS AS FAR AS CODE. SO THAT ELIMINATES THE STORAGE BUILDING SITUATION.
PARKING IS A REAL ISSUE. YOU KNOW GOOD AND WELL THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE IF A COUPLE MOVED IN, THAT COULD VERY WELL BE TWO MORE CARS. AND WE'VE ALREADY GOT SITUATIONS RIGHT NOW WHERE WE HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE SOMEBODY IS RUNNING A BUSINESS OUT OF IT.
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I DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD. I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS FOR THE THINGS THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.BUT THIS IS NOT A, THIS IS A COMPLICATED SUBJECT.
IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE SCIENCE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO WHEN THEY PASS THE LEGISLATION WHERE YOU CAN HAVE A BUSINESS IN YOUR HOME NOW, AS LONG AS YOU DON'T IMPEDE ON YOUR NEIGHBORS WITH PARKING AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY HAS ADOPTED OR ADAPTED TO THAT AND HAVE CONTROLLED IT VERY WELL.
AND I THINK THEY CAN USE THE SAME STANDARDS ON THIS ALSO.
ISN'T PARKING IN A DRIVEWAY INCLUDED IN THE CODES THAT GO WITH THIS? YES, MA'AM. SO THIS WOULD REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACE.
THEY'RE ADDING ANOTHER OFF STREET PARKING SPOT FOR THIS TO BE APPROVED.
AND IN THOSE CASES IT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED UNFORTUNATELY.
IF THEY CAN'T SATISFY THAT, THEY CAN MEET THAT ADDITIONAL PARKING SPOT AND THEIR LANDSCAPING, THEY STILL HAVE TO MEET ALL THEIR, YOU KNOW, THE FRONT YARD SETBACKS, ALL THOSE THINGS STILL HAVE TO BE MET. I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL. AND YOU TOUCHED ON THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT GIVING SOME CONTEXT TO THE GENESIS OF THIS ADU DISCUSSION TO BEGIN WITH.
YES, SIR. SO SOME OF THIS WAS YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY FROM A PLANNER AND WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW LIVING AND AGING IN PLACE. YOU KNOW, YOU GROW, YOU GET TO STAY IN THE COMMUNITY, YOU DON'T PUSH PEOPLE OUT, YOU KNOW, YOU, SO YOU ALSO LOOKING AT SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT, LOOKING AT SOME AFFORDABILITY.
SO I THINK THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS. HEY, I HAVE A YOUNG A DAUGHTER GETS MARRIED, THEY NEED A PLACE.
SO SO THAT'S PART OF THAT. THAT GIVES THEM SOME SOME OF THAT THERE IS SOME TAX BENEFIT GENERALLY.
YOU KNOW, FROM PLANNING, WE'RE REAL BIG ON LOOKING AT HOW DO WE KEEP PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITIES, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GENERALLY THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE'S MORE EYES SOMETIMES THAT CREATES SAFER NEIGHBORHOODS. THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL BENEFITS.
YOU KNOW, FOR ME, I HAVE A 19 YEAR OLD, HE'S GOING TO GO OFF TO COLLEGE, GO JOIN THE NAVY.
BUT HE MAY COME BACK WITH A YOUNG WIFE AND NOT HAVE A $150,000 CAREER.
HE MAY NEED A STARTER, SO THIS WOULD BE PERFECT.
ADU, A LITTLE PLACE WHILE HE SAVES MONEY, YOU KNOW.
BUT THAT WAS SOME OF THE GENESIS OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD LEADING UP TO THIS, OF WHY ALLOW ADUS.
IT GIVES YOU SOME PRIVACY AND ALSO ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS.
I'VE BEEN TALKING UP ADUS FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW, AND THE TWO REASONS I'VE BEEN TALKING IT UP IS ONE, IT RELEASES SOME OF THE TYRANNY OVER THE CITIZENS USE OF LAND.
IT ALLOWS THEM TO HAVE MORE OPTIONS FOR THEIR LAND USE.
BY US CREATING THIS REGULATION IN THE 2020 PLAN, WE CAN STILL HAVE CONTROL OVER THAT, HOW IT'S DONE CORRECTLY, BUT IT ALLOWS THEM A LITTLE MORE USE OF THEIR PROPERTY.
THE SECOND THING, AND THIS IS FROM A CITY BUDGET STANDPOINT, IS THE SALES TAX.
IF WE BRING IN MORE RESIDENTS, MORE CITIZENS, THEN IT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE SALES TAX AND MORE SALES TAX, LESS PROPERTY TAX. SO THERE'S BENEFITS TO IT.
QUITE A FEW BENEFITS. LET ME BRING UP THE RENTAL SIDE OF IT.
IS THAT REALLY A BAD THING FOR THEM TO RENT IT OUT? I MEAN, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THE AVERAGE AGE OF SOMEONE BUYING THEIR FIRST HOME IS GETTING TO BE 40 YEARS OLD. SO IF THEY NEED A CHEAPER PLACE TO LIVE, IS THAT SO BAD THAT A RENTER IS DOING THAT? I MEAN, WHY ARE WE SAYING A FAMILY MEMBER IS OKAY AND A SOMEONE ELSE IS NOT? I DON'T SEE THE DOWNFALL AS LONG AS THEY'RE TAKING CARE OF THE PROPERTY AND EVERYTHING.
BUT I KNOW THERE'S SOMETHING LEGAL HERE GOING WRONG.
I WAS EVEN THINKING THAT YOU MIGHT EVEN BE RENTING IT TO YOUR FAMILY MEMBER.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD. YEAH. IF YOU HAD A GROWN CHILD THAT WAS WORKING AND YOU KNOW THAT IT, IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE THAT THEY'RE THAT THEY'RE PITCHING IN, YOU KNOW, WITH WITH SOME OF THE FINANCES.
THE IDEA OF RENTING IS NOT THE ISSUE. IT'S THE DURATION OF THE RENTAL PERIOD.
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SHORT TERM RENTAL VERSUS HOTEL MOTEL. CITIES HAVE SIGNIFICANT AUTHORITY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SHORT TERM RENTAL ISSUE. CITIES ARE AT THIS POINT, UNDER THE TEXAS CASE LAW, ABLE TO INTERVENE AND REGULATE SHORT TERM RENTALS BECAUSE OF THEIR UNUSUAL IMPACTS ON THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN WHICH THE RENTALS OCCUR.SO IF THEY'RE GOING TO LEASE IT FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME OR RENT IT, SAY SIX MONTHS, THREE MONTHS, THEN TEXAS COURTS ARE GOING TO LOOK FAVORABLY ON THAT.
IF WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO PROVIDE MORE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES AT MORE FAVORABLE COSTS TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO REMAIN IN THE COMMUNITY, THEN OBVIOUSLY THE RENTAL OPTION IS A VIABLE CONSIDERATION BECAUSE THAT ALLOWS OCCUPANCY OF THOSE UNITS.
THAT'S WHAT THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS IS, IS ENCOURAGING.
NOW, IN A LOT OF THEIR PLANNING GUIDANCE TO TEXAS CITIES, IF, ON THE OTHER HAND, ALL WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO IS TO PROVIDE A SOCIAL SUPPORT AND NETWORK FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS AT RISK SENIOR CITIZENS, HANDICAPPED CHILDREN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THEN WE HAVE A DIFFERENT SET OF REGULATIONS WE WANT TO LOOK AT.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE REGULATING TO SAY IT HAS TO BE A MEMBER OF THE FAMILY.
AND THAT'S A CONCEPTUAL DECISION THAT THE THE LEADERSHIP OF THE CITY HAS TO MAKE.
WHAT IS OUR GOAL OR OBJECTIVE? WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? AND AGAIN, IF IT'S TO PROVIDE MORE DIVERSE HOUSING TYPES AT LOWER COSTS THAN THE RENTAL OPTION, MAKES SENSE. BUT THAT'S A DECISION YOU NEED TO MAKE.
SO WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS, ARE WE TALKING AIRBNBS? YES. ESPECIALLY LESS THAN 30 DAY OCCUPANCIES.
AND THAT'S A WHOLE THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROCESS, RIGHT? OKAY. YES, SIR. WE'RE NOT PROHIBITING RENTAL WITH THIS.
WE'RE PROHIBITING SHORT TERM. SO IN THEORY, IF I OWN THE HOUSE AND IT'S JUST ME AND MY WIFE AND MY SON HAS A BIGGER FAMILY, AND I'M GOING TO MOVE INTO THE ADU AND RENT IT MY PRIMARY HOUSE TO HIM FOR TWO YEARS.
THAT'S NOT PROHIBITED HERE. IT'S JUST SHORT TERM RENTALS, THOSE AIRBNBS.
THAT'S WHERE WE START SEEING THE DIFFERENT CARS, THE DIFFERENT ISSUES, BECAUSE IT'S NOT STABLE, BUT RENTAL OF THE ADU IS NOT PROHIBITED, JUST THE SHORT TERM.
GOTCHA. IF WE WERE TO AND I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT, GO LONG TERM RENTAL WITH IT.
IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE HOMEOWNER TO TURN THAT ONE RENTAL PROPERTY INTO GOVERNMENT HOUSING? I DON'T KNOW THE LAWS ON THAT. THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED BY THE FEDERAL HOUSING PROGRAMS CURRENTLY IN EFFECT.
THE PROPERTY OWNER COULD APPLY TO BE A SECTION EIGHT LANDLORD TO SECURE FEDERAL SUBSIDIES FOR RENTAL ASSISTANCE, BUT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SCREENING AND REVIEW PROCESS AT THE FEDERAL AGENCY ESTABLISHES.
OKAY. WELL, AS FAR AS I KNOW ABOUT THE ONLY RULE IN LAW, KNOWING THIS IS FROM SOME RECENT ISSUES IS THAT AS LONG AS THERE IS A STORE CLOSE, SO, SO CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY THAT THEY CAN WALK THERE AND GET FOOD, THEN IT CAN BE CONSIDERED GOVERNMENT HOUSING.
BUT I'M SURE THERE'S A LOT MORE TO IT THAN WHAT I'VE READ.
THERE'S [INAUDIBLE] IN THE SECTION EIGHT HOUSING ISSUE, SORT OF A RED HERRING FOR A LOT OF THINGS.
SECTION EIGHT HOUSING IS A FEDERAL HOUSING SUBSIDY PROGRAM, WHICH YOU'RE ALL AWARE OF THAT AN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER CAN APPLY TO BE A SECTION EIGHT LANDLORD, BUT THE CITY HAS NO ROLE IN IT YET.
WE JUST ENSURE THAT ALL UNITS MEET MINIMUM BUILDING, PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY CODES AND FIRE CODES.
AND THAT CAN BE SECTION 8 OR 9, SECTION EIGHT, BUT IT CAN'T BE CONVERTED INTO A TRADITIONAL PUBLIC HOUSING PROGRAM WITHOUT COMPLYING WITH A NUMBER OF REGULATIONS THAT YOU COULD NOT DO ON AN ACCESSORY BUILDING.
YOU CAN'T CONVERT IT INTO TRADITIONAL PUBLIC HOUSING.
IT WOULD ONLY BE A SECTION EIGHT SUBSIDY PROGRAM AT MOST.
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COUNCIL AND COMMISSION. I DON'T KNOW IF WE SET THE AGENDA FOR OUR HARD STOP AT 6:30.I CAN'T REMEMBER IF WE DID OR DIDN'T, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON ADUS.
I THINK MR. PEARCE HAS SOME MORE ITEMS TO GO THROUGH.
YOU'VE SEEN THIS ALL BEFORE. WE MAKE SURE WE CAPTURE ANY CONCERNS YOU HAVE. THE NEXT ITEM IS, AS TONI MENTIONED, YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN, THIS IS A DRIVE THROUGH DESIGN AND STACKING REQUIREMENTS. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THIS AT THE P & Z, BUT THIS IS PRIMARILY TO ESTABLISH SOME REQUIREMENTS.
WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE ANY DRIVE THROUGH OR STACKING REQUIREMENTS. AND THIS IS TO HELP ALLEVIATE POTENTIALLY NEW DEVELOPMENT FROM HAVING, STACKING AND QUEUING GOING INTO SOME OF OUR BUSY THOROUGHFARES.
BUT IF ANYBODY HAS ANY COMMENTS ON THIS, I'M ALL EARS.
HOWEVER, ACCORDING TO OPEN MEETINGS LAW, WE CAN START THAT LATER.
SO WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WAS SCHEDULED AND WAS ADVERTISED, BUT IT'S OKAY AS LONG AS WE START, WE CAN START LATER. WE CANNOT START EARLIER, SO DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S A HARD STOP.
WE DIDN'T PUT IN A HARD STOP ON THE AGENDA. AND SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S POSTED AT A CERTAIN TIME, WE CAN START LATER. WE JUST CAN'T START EARLIER.
SO THE, THE INTENTION HERE IS NOT TO RUSH THIS DISCUSSION, RIGHT? SO IF THERE'S A NEED TO GO LONGER, WE STAFF ARE CERTAINLY WILLING TO DO THAT.
IF THERE'S A NEED TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE JOINT SESSION, WE CAN DO THAT.
SO I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO WATER DOWN THE DISCUSSION OR NOT.
HAVE YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNE TIME TO MAKE THE FEEDBACK AND CONVERSATIONS YOU NEED TO HAVE.
SO WE'LL SEEK YOUR DIRECTION ON THAT. SO THIS IS, AS I MENTIONED, THE STACKING LANES AND OUR DRIVE THRUS. WE ALSO PROVIDED JUST SOME SOME, SOME GUIDELINES.
AND OBVIOUSLY WITH ANY ANYTHING WE ADOPT, THERE'S ALWAYS GROWING PAINS. I MAY COME BACK TO YOU IN SIX MONTHS AFTER WE ADOPT IT AND SAY WE NEED TO TWEAK THIS OR TWEAK THAT BECAUSE THEN IN REVIEW OF ACTUAL SOMEBODY BRINGING A SITE PLAN, THIS IS WORKING WELL OR THIS ISN'T WORKING WELL.
BUT THESE ARE, THESE ARE BASED OFF OUR R&D DISCUSSIONS AND STAFF'S RESEARCH.
AND THIS IS KIND OF JUST SOME EXAMPLES. SO WE DID ALSO INCLUDE ESCAPE LANES. SO I'M SURE SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN STUCK THROUGH A DRIVE THROUGH. IF YOU'RE EVER LIKE ME AND YOUR MIND WANDERS, WHAT IF THAT CAR IN FRONT OF ME THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEING HELD TOGETHER BY DUCT TAPE DIES? HOW AM I GOING TO GET OUT OF HERE? I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GET OUT AND PUSH. SO WE'VE ADDED THAT IN THERE AS WELL. SO THIS WILL HOPEFULLY RESULT IN SOME BETTER DESIGNED PRIVATE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
IF NO QUESTIONS ON THAT, I'LL MOVE INTO VEHICLE PARKING REGULATIONS.
SO VEHICLE PARKING REGULATIONS. SO WE LOOKED AT COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S NOT REALLY DEFINED IF IT'S THE GARAGE OR THE DRIVEWAY, IT JUST HAS TWO SPACES.
WE DO HAVE A MINIMUM SETBACK. SO THAT GENERALLY DICTATES AT A MINIMUM, A DRIVEWAY OF THAT SETBACK.
SO FRONT LOADING GARAGES WOULD HAVE TO BE PUSHED BACK A LITTLE FURTHER.
SO A LOT OF HOUSES HAVE TEND TO BECOME WHAT WE CALL SNOUT NOSE HOUSES, WHERE THE GARAGE IS THE FOCAL POINT OF THE HOUSE AND THE CARS STICK OUT INTO THE SIDEWALK AND YOU HIT YOUR SHIN WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO JOG IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THIS WOULD PUSH THOSE FRONT LOADING GARAGES BACK FURTHER.
AND THIS IS KIND OF A DEPICTION OF WHAT THAT WOULD GENERALLY LOOK LIKE OR COULD LOOK LIKE.
SO FROM A PLANNER, WHAT I REALLY LIKE IS FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
THE FOCAL POINT NOW IS THE HOME, NOT THE GARAGE.
I DON'T HIT MY SHIN ON THE TOW HITCH ON THE F 550 AS I'M JOGGING IN THE EARLY MORNING HOURS.
AND THEN IT ALSO ENCOURAGES SOME SIDE ENTRY, WHICH ALLOWS THEM TO DO MAYBE A LITTLE NARROWER GARAGE LIKE YOU SEE WITH OLDER HOMES WITH PORTICOS AND KIND OF DRIVE AND TURN TO THE BACK.
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SO THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS. BUT OUR EMPHASIS HERE WAS DE-EMPHASIZING THE GARAGE AS THE FOCAL POINT OF THE HOMES AND ELIMINATING SOME OF THAT PROTRUSION OF VEHICLES UNDER OUR SIDEWALKS AND PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS.WE'RE GOING TO SET UP A MEETING FOLLOWING THIS MEETING.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE GOT SOME IDEAS FROM YOU ALL REGARDING SUPPORT FOR SOME OF THESE MEASURES.
AS YOU MIGHT WELL IMAGINE, THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT THING FOR YOUR RESIDENTIAL HOME BUILDERS.
IF THERE'S BROAD BASED SUPPORT FOR THIS IN TERMS OF THE SPACE ORIENTATION OF THE GARAGES.
AND THIS WOULD NOT APPLY TO ANYTHING THAT'S CURRENTLY PLOTTED ENTITLED.
SO THIS WOULD BE THINGS THAT COME IN AFTER THE ADOPTION OF THIS ORDINANCE.
SO THIS WOULD ONLY BE THINGS THAT WERE PLATTED AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE.
AND WE EVER THOUGHT ABOUT, OR CAN WE CONTROL THE DEPTH OF THE GARAGES JUST IN GENERAL IN THE A HOUSE BECAUSE SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS I SEE ALL THE CARS ARE PARKED IN THE STREET.
NOBODY'S PARKED IN THE GARAGE BECAUSE THE GARAGE LOOKS LIKE IT'S ONLY ABOUT THREE FEET DEEP. I'M BEING SARCASTIC, BUT IT JUST I DON'T THINK THEY'RE DEEP ENOUGH TO EVEN HOLD.
SO THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO, THERE'S A MINIMUM OF SPEC AND GENERALLY ENGINEERED TRUSS FOR THE WIDTH FOR THE TWO CAR, BUT THE DEPTH IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GENERALLY I THINK WE MAY HAVE SOME CHALLENGES WITH THAT POTENTIALLY.
THIS WOULD ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THOSE CONCERNS BECAUSE I, I SEE IT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO THIS IS GOING TO CREATE AT LEAST TWO ADDITIONAL SPACES.
OKAY. SO WILL THIS ALWAYS FIX THE ISSUE? MAYBE NOT.
I HAVE FOUR KIDS, SO THERE'S POTENTIAL. I COULD HAVE SIX CARS AT MY HOUSE.
I WOULD, I WOULD NEED MORE DRIVEWAY THAN HOUSE.
THIS WAS THE DIRECTION STAFF WENT. BUT YEAH, I THINK WE'D HAVE A HARD TIME SAYING YOU HAVE TO HAVE A X NUMBER OF FEET DEEP GARAGE IN THIS CASE OR WIDE. WE MAY GET MORE PUSHBACK DOWN THE DRIVEWAY DISTANCE.
I THINK IF IT'S FOR FUTURE PLOTS, PLOTS, SURVEYS AND SO ON, I THINK THAT IT'S VERY DOABLE IF WE LET THE BUILDERS KNOW AHEAD OF TIME. I MEAN, I'VE HAD THEM AS STANDARD GARAGES, A 20 BY 20, AND A LOT OF US HAVE GOTTEN PAST THE 20 BY 20 GARAGES. I MEAN, I'VE HAD SOMEBODY ASK FOR THEY WE EXTENDED THE GARAGE INSTEAD OF A CLOSET THAT YOU WALK IN.
IT'S BEEN EXTENDED BECAUSE HIS BOAT NEEDS TO FIT IN THE GARAGE.
SO COULD IT BE DONE? YES. MAY YOU PAY AN UPGRADE FOR IT? YES. SO IT WOULD BE UP TO THE, I GUESS, THE BUILDER TO FIGURE THAT PART OUT.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IT WOULD BE A BIG DEAL TO IF WE LET THE, WHOEVER IT IS THAT THAT LANDOWNER KNOW BEFOREHAND THAT THESE ARE OUR EXPECTATIONS, WHICH WE DO THAT ANYWAY.
IT'S THE BUILDERS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PIVOT. AND A LOT OF THESE INSTANCES FOR THESE THINGS. BUT YOU KNOW, A LOT OF OUR BIG PLANNED COMMUNITIES ARE COMING IN AS PDS ANYWAY.
SO HAVING SOMETHING LIKE THIS ON THE BOOKS, EVEN IF NOBODY'S ASKING FOR BASE ZONING, GIVES US SOMETHING TO PULL FROM TO PUT IN PDS AND STUFF AS WELL, TO KIND OF PLAN THOSE COMMUNITIES OUT. BUT IF THERE'S ANY INPUT ON THAT ON THIS I'M ALL EARS.
OTHERWISE I'LL MOVE ON TO THE COMMERCIAL. THE DEPICTIONS YOU HAVE UP HERE, RIGHT THERE.
IS THAT FOR AN SF-7. THOSE ARE NOT THOSE I DID.
I'LL BE HONEST. I DID THAT IN PAINT. THOSE AREN'T DONE TO SCALE, BUT THERE'S SOME IN THE CODE THAT SHOW A HOUSE IN THIS ON THE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS TO A DEGREE. THESE ARE JUST JUST KIND OF A GENERAL IDEA TO REALLY SHOW THE PLACEMENT OF THE GARAGE AND THE FRONT YARD IN RELATION TO A HOUSE.
IT'S JUST TO GIVE YOU A VISUAL IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE.
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UNLESS YOU GO TO COLLEGE FOR IT. SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GIVE A PICTURE.PICTURE IS A LOT EASIER FOR, FOR EVEN FOR ME.
SORRY ABOUT THAT. OH NO. NO SIR. SF-7. IS THIS GOING TO BE? WHAT IS THIS GOING TO TAKE UP MOST OF THE LOT THOUGH, ISN'T IT? ON SF-7, THE SETBACKS NOT CHANGING. WHAT REALLY IS CHANGING IS THE DEPTH OF THE DRIVEWAY.
SO ALREADY THEY'RE GENERALLY HAVING A 20 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY.
IF THEY HAVE A 20 FOOT WIDE GARAGE. SO IT'S PUSHING THE GARAGE BACK.
SO WHAT MAY CHANGE IS THAT THE THE LAYOUT OF THE HOUSE MAY ORIENT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
AND THEY MAY HAVE YOU COULD POTENTIALLY LOSE 16FT OF WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A GRASSY AREA.
PREVIOUSLY. OKAY. AND THAT'S LESS GREEN SPACE, MORE CONCRETE.
CORRECT. IT'S LESS GREEN SPACE, MORE CONCRETE IN THAT FRONT PORTION.
THAT IS TRUE. BUT THAT'S TO SAVE OUR SHINS WHEN WE'RE RUNNING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
BUT YES, IT IS. I MEAN, THERE IS A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
I HAD I HAD TO LOOK UP WHAT CHATGPT THINKS IS THE OVERALL LENGTH OF AN F350 FOUR DOOR FORD SUPER DUTY, AND YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BE BARKING YOUR SHINS [LAUGHS].
I THINK YOU DID SAY AN F550 THE FIRST TIME. SO.
SO THE [INAUDIBLE] PERSONALLY, I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS ISSUE. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME TO KEEP OUR SIDEWALKS CLEAR, NOT JUST FOR JOGGERS THAT ARE ABLE BODIED, BUT FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF BEING ABLE TO RUN UP AND DOWN THE STREET, BUT HAVE TO PUSH THEMSELVES IN A WHEELCHAIR OR RIDING A SCOOTER.
DAMN IT, WE NEED THOSE SIDEWALKS TO BE CLEAN.
CLEAR. ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS THE NONRESIDENTIAL SECTION.
SO WE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF THINGS TO SOME BACKGROUND ON.
THIS IS ONE, HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT SOME OF OUR SITES LIKE KROGER AND SOME OF THESE DIFFERENT SITES HAVE THESE LARGE, VAST PARKING LOTS AND THAT ARE GENERALLY UNDERUTILIZED, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MAYBE A COUPLE OF DAYS BEFORE THANKSGIVING OR AN ICE STORM OR CHRISTMAS FOR MAYBE A TARGET.
AND HOW CAN WE INCREASE THE TAX BASE? A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE GETTING INQUIRIES.
SO WHAT WE KIND OF LOOKED AT WAS SOME WAYS TO ONE MITIGATE SO THAT WE DON'T UNDER PARK, BUT ALSO WHERE COULD WE SEE REDEVELOPMENT OF SOME OF THESE LARGE PARKING LOTS. SO THAT USE MAYBE IS MORE TAXABLE.
ONE WAS A BOX STORE WITH ALL THIS PARKING AND YOUR VALUE PER ACRE, AND THEN ONE WAS YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR SMALL DEVELOPMENT, MAYBE REDEVELOPMENT AND YOU KNOW, MUCH BETTER RETURN ON OUR INVESTMENT.
SO WE STAFF MADE A RECOMMENDATION OF REMOVING THE NON RESIDENTIAL PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR SOME OF THESE CORRIDORS THAT HAVE DIRECT FRONTAGE OR ACCESS BY, AND THAT WOULD ALLOW SOME REDEVELOPMENT. SO YOU START SEEING YOUR SEVEN BREWS, YOUR COFFEE SHOPS, MAYBE GO INTO SOME OF THESE MORE PRIME LOCATIONS INSTEAD OF TRYING TO SQUEEZE THEM INTO AN AREA THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE PARKING THEY'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO MEET ADA COMPLIANCE AND THEY'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO PROVIDE US A SITE PLAN, MAKING SURE IT'S PARKED ADEQUATELY. AND THEY'RE STILL GOING TO REQUIRE TO HAVE OFF STREET LOADING FOR MERCHANDISE, SHIPPING RECEIVING. BUT WE ALSO WANT TO ALLOW LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGING MORE PARKING AGREEMENTS FOR MULTI-TENANT DEVELOPMENTS AND REALLY GIVING US SOME FLEXIBILITY WITH SOME REDEVELOPMENT OF SOME OF OUR PRIMARY CORRIDORS THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDINGS HUNDREDS OF FEET PUSHED BACK FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. AND WE JUST HAVE ALL THIS CONCRETE. SO THAT IS SOME OF THE GENESIS FOR THE NONRESIDENTIAL PARKING REGULATIONS LOOKING TO CHANGE THOSE. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS.
SO PEOPLE THERE'S A GUIDELINE, BUT HOW DO YOU MITIGATE OVER PARKING SO SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T COMPLETELY OVER PARK, WHICH HAS HAPPENED.
SO THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM IS WE'VE OVER PARKED SITES.
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SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT ANY TIME THEY EXCEED 110% OF THAT TABLE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, WHICH WOULD BE SEVERAL SITES THAT EXIST NOW, IF THAT NEW CAME IN TO REDEVELOP.THEY'D HAVE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING IN THE FRONT.
SO SOME BEAUTIFICATION OF THE SITE. AND I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, A LOT OF TIMES WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS IF YOU TELL THEM THEY HAVE TO PUT IN MORE GREEN SPACE, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, MAYBE WE DON'T NEED THOSE EXTRA 1800 PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE JUST GOING TO BE FILLED WITH TRASH AND URBAN HEAT ISLAND.
SO THAT'S THE IDEA BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL, LOOKING AT THOSE AND REMOVING THOSE FOR THOSE CORRIDORS.
BUT THIS WILL HELP MAKE THAT EVEN MORE ACCESSIBLE FOR SOME OF OUR OTHER SITES.
AND IF THERE'S NO FEEDBACK ON THAT, I'LL MOVE TO THE MIDPOINT OF UPDATE DISCUSSION.
SO WE WE HAD SOME PROPOSED AMENDMENTS BASED OFF OUR R&D DISCUSSIONS WAS LOOKING AT AND I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW ALONG I-35, YOU KNOW, IN OUR I-35 OVERLAY APARTMENTS ARE BY RIGHT USE OUR COMP PLAN DOESN'T NECESSARILY REFLECT THAT.
SO THERE'S A DISCUSSION, ARE WE MISSING OUT ON THOSE OPPORTUNITIES BECAUSE THE COMP PLAN DOESN'T REFLECT THAT? SO WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN AND THEY LOOK AT OUR COMP PLAN, THEY SAY THAT'S NOT ALLOWED HERE. SO THAT'S PART OF THE GENESIS OF CHANGING THAT.
SO THE COMP PLAN REFLECTS WHAT OUR CODE ALLOWS.
ALSO KIND OF TREATING I-35 AND CHISHOLM TRAIL CORRIDOR, HOW THEY WHAT DO WE WANT TO SEE DEVELOP ALONG THOSE AREAS AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING CAMPUSES OR BUSINESS CENTERS? DO WE WANT TO ALLOW THOSE HIGHER DENSITIES IN THOSE AREAS AROUND IT? SO ALIGNING MORE WITH WITH THAT, LOOKING AT OUR HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES, BEING MORE ALIGNED WITH OUR EMPLOYMENT GROWTH CENTERS.
RE DESIGNATION, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A TOD CATEGORY.
SO CHANGING THAT TO ALLOW SOMETHING TO MAKE SENSE.
AND THEN AN ADDENDUM. SO HERE ARE SOME PICTURES TO KIND OF GO ALONG WITH WHAT I SAID.
SO THE GREEN WOULD BE POINTING OUT THAT APARTMENT COMPLEXES MAY BE SUITABLE ON PARCELS WITHIN I-35 AS THEY ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT. AND THIS IS NOW JUST HIGHLIGHTING THAT IN OUR COMP PLAN AND IT MAY BE SUITABLE FOR THOSE.
AND THEN ADDING THAT DISTRICT TO A CORRESPONDING ZONING DISTRICT TO ALIGN WITH WHAT OUR CODE CURRENTLY HAS, AND THAT WOULD BE THOSE REGIONAL OFFICE COMMERCIAL AREAS THAT ARE IN RED CURRENTLY ALONG I-35 LINE.
IF YOU, IF YOU MAY. I BELIEVE THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION, AT LEAST WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REGARDING THIS POTENTIAL CHANGE TO THE MIDPOINT PLAN. THE CONCERNS I THINK WERE INVOLVING TRAFFIC AND WHAT THE TRAFFIC SITUATION MIGHT LOOK LIKE IF WE ENCOURAGE MULTIFAMILY IN AND AROUND I-35. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAPTURE, AGAIN PERSPECTIVE OF ALL THE INDIVIDUALS ATTENDING TONIGHT TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ANSWER QUESTIONS AND HAVE A CLEAR IDEA MOVING FORWARD OF WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
YEAH. WE HAD TALKED ABOUT BETWEEN ALVARADO AND BURLESON THAT IT'S, IT'S JUST BUMPER TO BUMPER TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, IN THE PEAK TRAFFIC TIMES OF THE DAY.
AND IF WE'RE ADDING, YOU KNOW, THE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING, YOU'VE GOT A LOT MORE TRAFFIC THERE, BUT ALSO THE ENTRY POINTS, YOU KNOW, THAT GET YOU ON TO YOU KNOW, THE HIGHWAY.
IT WAS A CONCERN AS WELL. I'M UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THAT PORTION OF I-35 IS GOING TO BE EXPANDED IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS. SO THAT SHOULD HELP ALLEVIATE THAT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC NOW.
DO I KNOW HOW FAR THEY'RE GOING TO EXPAND IT? NO. DO I KNOW HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE? PROBABLY 20 YEARS BECAUSE IT'S ON I-35, BUT IT WILL BE EXPANDED.
SO IT WILL HELP TRAFFIC FLOW THROUGH HOPEFULLY A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN IT CURRENTLY IS.
AND THIS OUR ZONING CODE IN OUR I-35 OVERLAY TODAY, RIGHT NOW, IF YOU CAME IN TO DO A WANT TO DO APARTMENT COMPLEX, IT'S ALLOWED USE BY RIGHT. IT'S IT'S ALLOWED.
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SO THIS IS MORE OF A, GIVING SOME GUIDANCE IN THE COMP PLAN TO WHAT IS ALREADY ALLOWED BY LAND USE REGULATION.IS THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR? IT'S WE'RE GIVING SOME CONTEXT THAT IT MAY BE SUITABLE ON PARCELS WITH ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE AND CONNECTIVITY, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE JUST HAVE THIS COMP PLAN THAT DOESN'T REFLECT THE DEPARTMENTS CAN BE DONE THERE.
AND THEN WE HAVE THIS OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT SAYS THEY CAN. SO THIS IS TRYING TO RECTIFY THE TO YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, WHERE DO WE, WE WANT MORE HOUSING OPTIONS? WHERE DO WE WANT THOSE? DO WE WANT THOSE ON I-35? DO WE WANT THEM ON WILSHIRE? I IMAGINE PROBABLY NOT.
YOU KNOW, BASED OFF TRAFFIC. SO LOOKING AT THOSE AREAS WHERE WHERE DOES THIS MAKE SENSE? AND THEN MAKING SURE OUR COMP PLAN REFLECTS EITHER WHAT OUR ZONING IS OR WHAT IS OUR INTENT IS BECAUSE THE OTHER OPTION IS STAFF CAN REMOVE THAT WITH THE ZONING CODE AMENDMENT. BUT THIS IS PARTICULARLY TO GIVE US SOME.
MOST PEOPLE, WHEN THEY COME IN TO DEVELOP IN OUR CITY. THE FIRST STOP IS THE COMP PLAN AND WE WANT OUR COMP PLAN TO BE REFLECTIVE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AS COMMUNITY, AND ALSO AREAS WHERE WE ALLOW A CERTAIN TYPE OF USE AS A COMMUNITY, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
WE, WE LOOKED AT IT AS. HAVE WE LOST POTENTIAL FOR MAYBE SOME GREAT, AWESOME MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS ON I-35? BECAUSE SOMEBODY THAT NEVER CALLED ME ON THE PHONE LOOKED AT OUR COMP PLAN, WHICH IS AVAILABLE AND THEY LIKE, THEY'RE LOOKING IN DIFFERENT AREAS. THEY'RE THINKING, OH, THEY WANT APARTMENTS DOWN HERE IN THIS, THIS BLUE, WHICH IS MAYBE NOT REFLECTIVE OF WHAT WE REALLY WANT.
WE, WE MAY RATHER HAVE THEM OVER HERE. SO THAT WAS THE IDEA BEHIND THIS CHANGE PARTICULARLY.
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN I'M KIND OF IN THE GROUP. I'M NOT A BIG, GIANT FAN OF APARTMENTS BECAUSE I'VE LIVED IN IN AREAS WHEN A MASSIVE AMOUNT APARTMENTS CAME IN AND IT JUST CLOGGED THE ROAD UP. BUT IT'S A NECESSARY HOUSING THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE.
SO WE NEED TO HAVE IT BE SMART ABOUT IT THOUGH.
AND SO IT WAS ALWAYS I'VE ALWAYS BEEN OF THE THOUGHT I-35 AND THE CHISHOLM TRAIL PARKWAY BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING TO, IF THEY'RE NOT WORKING IN BURLESON, THEY'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ELSEWHERE. AND THEY NEED TO GET TO THAT ROAD TO GET OUT. AND YES, IT'S GOING TO HAVE MORE TRAFFIC ON THOSE CORRIDORS, BUT IT GETS IT OUT OF THE MAIN RESIDENTIAL CORRIDORS OF BURLESON ITSELF AND ALLOWS US TO HAVE A HIGHER DENSITY USE, BECAUSE THEN IF THEY WANT TO GO IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY, IT'S NOT THEY'RE GOING TO A SPECIFIC PLACE, LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO COME EAT OR GOING TO GO TO A GROCERY STORE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THAT'S SO I LIKE THE IDEA OF KIND OF CLEANING THIS UP A LITTLE BIT AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, I-35 IS EXPANDING.
AND [INAUDIBLE] GOING EAST IS EXPANDING ALL THE WAY OUT TOWARDS 917.
917 IS EXPANDING RIGHT NOW. AND THEN THEY'RE FIXING TO BUILD A NEW BRIDGE OVER 917 AND IN THE FUTURE, THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING HOUSTON STREET ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO I-35.
SO THERE'LL BE AVENUES TO RELEASE THE TRAFFIC.
BY THE TIME ANY OF THIS DENSITY COMES ALONG. WHAT ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE WITH SCHOOLS? DOES THAT HAPPEN AFTER? I MEAN, AFTER YOU YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE MULTIFAMILY, YOU KNOW, HOUSING AND ALL OF THAT.
I MEAN, DO WE WAIT FOR THEM TO HAVE A NEED OR DO WE PLAN AHEAD TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO ESTABLISH SCHOOLS AND THAT SORT OF THING? SO WILL WE, I'LL LET UNDER UNDER TEXAS LAW, THE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ARE CHARGED WITH RESPONSIBILITY FOR SELECTING THE SITES AND DETERMINING THE TYPE OF FACILITIES TO BE LOCATED ON EACH SITE.
OUR DEVELOPMENT CONTACTS THAT LOOK TO BE SIGNIFICANT SO THEY CAN FACTOR IT INTO THEIR PLANNING.
AND WE HAVE NO SAY IN THAT MATTER. WE CAN REGULATE THE CONSTRUCTION TYPES, HOW IT'S BUILT, BUT WE CAN'T DETERMINE WHAT WILL BE BUILT OR WHERE IT WILL BE PLACED.
IT FOLLOWS THAT THAT CITY'S LEAD IN DECIDING WHERE POPULATIONS WILL BE.
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BUT WE TAKE THE LEAD. YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME AN APARTMENT COMPLEX HAS COME UP THAT WAS CONTROVERSIAL, WHICH IS EVERY TIME AN APARTMENT COMPLEX HAS COME UP.ONE OF THE BEST FEATURES OF THE PLAN TO OPEN UP OR LET'S SAY, ENCOURAGE OR ALLOW APARTMENTS ALONG I-35, IS THAT THE CITY'S STREET AND ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT BEARING THE BURDEN.
TEXDOT LIKE THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS NEED TO KNOW WHERE POPULATIONS ARE GOING TO BE.
ONCE AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE THE CITIES TAKE THE LEAD IN THAT.
BUT IF WE WERE TO PLACE THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN OUR OWN STREETS THAT ARE MAINTAINED BY OUR OWN WORKFORCE, THEN WE'VE TAKEN ON A BURDEN THAT WE DON'T NEED.
SO TO PLACE IT ALONG I-35 IS THE GREATEST PLAN EVER AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
AND OF COURSE, ALONG IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ON CHISHOLM TRAIL PARKWAY ANYWAY.
IF ANYBODY'S EVER, EVER DRIVEN UP AT ALL, YOU SEE IS HIGH DENSITY HOUSING.
BUT THAT'S JUST WHAT HAPPENS. IT'S PART OF THE EVOLUTION OF A REGION THAT YOU BUILD A NEW HIGHWAY.
THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT PLAYS OUT. BUT AT THIS POINT IN BURLESON HISTORY, I THINK IS A GOOD TIME THAT WE CITE THESE PLACES ON ON THE I-35 AND CHISHOLM TRAIL CORRIDOR. LEADING TO THE PURPLE AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT, THE EMPLOYEE GROWTH CENTER OR THE EMPLOYMENT GROWTH CENTER. CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT THERE? SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROPOSED CHANGES OTHER THAN I THINK WE'RE JUST GOING TO INCLUDE THAT THE HIGH ENERGY INDUSTRIAL UPDATING THOSE DISTRICT NAMES. BUT THAT IS EMPLOYMENT GROWTH. SO WHAT WE LOOK AT GENERALLY THERE IS WE TRY TO ENCOURAGE WHEN PEOPLE COME IN USES THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE SKILLED LABOR THAT GENERALLY BRING DISTRIBUTION CENTERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SOME OF THOSE ARE SUBJECTIVE, YOU KNOW, SKILLED VERSUS HIGH WAGES.
SO SPEAKING OF APARTMENTS ON CHISHOLM TRAIL CORRIDOR THE PROPOSAL IS TO ADD PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS AND MEDIUM TO HIGH DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY AS PART OF MIXED DEVELOPMENT OR AS PART AS MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS ON NON MAJOR INTERSECTION PARCELS AS ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE AND CONNECTIVITY BECOMES AVAILABLE.
SO WE'RE GIVING SOME OF THOSE. HEY YOU MAY WANT TO DO IT TODAY.
SO AGAIN, KIND OF MARRYING CHISHOLM TRAIL CORRIDOR WITH I-35, BUT WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE OF A WHITE CANVAS WITH THE TRAIL CORRIDOR TO KIND OF PAINT THAT PICTURE. BUT THIS WOULD JUST BE ADDING TEXT TO WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE.
A LOT OF THESE PORTIONS OF LAND HAVE BEEN ZONED OUT OF THAT PD FOR THE TOD.
SO LOOKING TO WHEN PEOPLE COME IN, WHAT DO I WHAT DO I TELL THEM AS THE PLANNER THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THERE? BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE NOT GETTING THE RAIL. WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR THAT TOD DEVELOPMENT.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO TAKE THOSE AREAS ALONG AYLESBURY AND HEWLAND AND MAKE THOSE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL TO SUPPORT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT IS OCCURRING IN THE AREAS. AND THOSE ARE ON OUR CORRIDORS THAT WE WE WANT TO SEE THAT.
AND THEN THE OTHER AREAS THAT YOU SEE THERE THAT ARE ALREADY RESIDENTIAL ARE NOT DEVELOPED, DESIGNATE THOSE AS OUR NEIGHBORHOODS FOR PDS NEIGHBORHOODS, THINGS LIKE THAT NATURE.
SO WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE THERE OR WHAT WE KIND OF ENVISIONED ACTUALLY OCCURRING THERE, THAT'S THE IDEA BETWEEN JUST TO GIVE SOMEBODY DEVELOPERS, THIS IS WHAT WE SOME GUIDELINES WHEN THEY MAKE A ZONING REQUEST, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S ANY ZONING REQUEST THAT WE GET OUT THERE UNLESS IT IS A TOD MEETING THAT PD, IT'S NOT GOING TO MEET THE COMP PLAN.
AND SO IT'S JUST THIS IS GETTING A BETTER ALIGNMENT FOR COUNCIL.
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OUT THERE. SO, AND THIS JUST KIND OF SAYS THOSE THINGS ALONG WHAT I KIND OF MENTIONED. SO THIS IS THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL EMPLOYMENT GROWTH CENTER. SO IT WILL BE REVISED TO ADD THE INDUSTRIAL AND HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.SO THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY LIMITS WITH NO ZONING OR ASSOCIATED LAND USE.
THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES ARE JUST SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF THE ZONING CODE IF WE WANT TO GO OVER THERE.
IF YOU, IF EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH THE ID AND THE MIDPOINT DISCUSSION.
SO YOU HAVE SEEN THIS. THIS IS JUST TO KIND OF GIVE A, JUST A, AN UPDATE.
SO, YOU KNOW, STAFF'S INTENTION IS WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE THINGS FROM THIS MEETING AND THE ZONING CODE UPDATES THAT WE'VE KIND OF PROPOSED AND START HAVING OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. SOME OF OUR DEVELOPERS THAT, THAT WE GENERALLY HAVE ON OUR ROLES THAT WE DO A LOT OF BUSINESS WITH THAT HAVE DEVELOPED IN OUR CITY AND GET THEIR FEEDBACK AND THEN INCORPORATE THAT IN JUNE AND JULY UPDATES.
SO THAT INCORPORATES ALLOWING FOR NEW USES THAT WE MAY NOT EVEN REALIZE ARE GOING TO OCCUR TODAY.
WE'VE REMOVED SOME DEFINITIONS AND LANGUAGE THAT ARE NO LONGER RELEVANT.
WE'VE TAKEN THE I-35 AND BUSINESS PARK OVERLAYS AND WE'VE JUST MADE THOSE INTO ZONING DISTRICTS.
THE OVERLAYS WHEN PEOPLE COME IN AND DEVELOP, THEY CAUSE A LOT OF CONFUSION BECAUSE THEY LOOK OUT ON A ZONE, THIS DISTRICT. AND THEN WE TELL THEM, OH, YOU HAVE THIS OVERLAY ON TOP OF THAT, AND THERE'S ALL THESE REGULATIONS THAT ARE IN SEVERAL PORTIONS OF THE CODE.
THIS IS ALL REALLY WE'RE NOT CHANGING THOSE STANDARDS FOR THE MOST PART.
WE'RE JUST PUTTING THEM IN ONE ACCESSIBLE AREA.
SO I COME IN AND I WANT TO KNOW THAT I WANT TO DO INTERSTATE COMMERCIAL.
PORTIONS OF THAT. AND SO SOME OF THESE UNWIELDY PDS THAT REFERENCE THIS AND THAT, AND THIS WILL BE MUCH MORE SIMPLIFIED, WILL BE BETTER FOR THE END USER, THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
WE ADDED THESE TABLES. SO I MENTIONED SOME OF THE DRAWINGS EARLIER.
SO WE ADDED A COUPLE GRAPHICS IN THE ZONING CODE AND TABLES JUST TO MAKE IT MORE USER FRIENDLY.
A LITTLE LESS WORDY, SOME MORE BOXES AND PICTURES.
AND THEN WE ALTERED SOME OF OUR PD LANGUAGE TO KIND OF SAY, HEY, PD SHOULD BE A TRUE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, NOT JUST BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO DO WHAT THE CODE SAYS, EVEN THOUGH THAT STILL MAY OCCUR.
SO THE IDEA WAS THOSE WOULD BE IN JUNE AND JULY.
THEN WE WOULD COME BACK AFTER THAT AND HOPEFULLY JULY, AUGUST.
AND THESE ARE OUR LANDSCAPING STANDARDS MAKING THINGS LOOK PRETTY, YOU KNOW, NEW PLANT LISTS.
SO WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, I'VE UPDATED THAT WITH BETTER NATIVE SPECIES STUFF ABOUT DROUGHT TOLERANT, XERISCAPING SOME THINGS THAT WILL MAKE THINGS LOOK PRETTIER.
UPDATED FENCING AND SCREENING, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
SITE PLAN REQUIREMENTS AND THEN OUR SIGN STANDARDS.
SO ALL THOSE WILL MAKE THESE MORE MODERN SIGN CODE WILL HAVE BETTER STANDARDS, LESS VARIANCES, MORE PICTURES. IT'LL BE MORE CLEAR ON WHAT WE EXPECT IN CERTAIN AREAS, AND THAT WOULD COME FORWARD IN THE JULY AUGUST TIME FRAME.
AFTER THE THE ZONING CODE, WHICH IS THE ATTACHMENT THAT WAS IN THIS PACKET, WOULD BE THE HOPEFULLY JUNE, JULY TIME FRAME. AND THEN AFTER THAT'S ADOPTED, YOU'D SEE ALL THESE SUPPLEMENTAL THINGS START COMING THROUGH.
AND THEN STAFF WILL PROBABLY, THE LAST TIME I DID A ZONING CODE UPDATE, EVERY, I'D SAY EVERY COUPLE OF MONTHS WE HAD A, HEY, WE TWEAK THIS OR TWEAK THAT AS WE SEE. HOPEFULLY WE GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME, BUT THERE'LL BE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE LIKE, HEY, MINOR ADMIN THING WE WANT TO FIX OR HEY, WOULDN'T IT BE NICE IF WE HAD DONE THAT, ESPECIALLY AS WE GET IN THE SWING OF DOING ALL THESE BIG UPDATES. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THE GROUP.
I'M HERE FOR ANY THROW ARROWS OR ANYTHING YOU WANT AT ME.
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I'M UP HERE. JUMP BACK TO THE HIGH INDUSTRIAL RECOMMENDATION.COMING TO YOU ALL IN YOUR MONDAY MEETING IS A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING, NOT A UNANIMOUS ONE, THAT THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AND THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS BE MODIFIED FROM WHAT STAFF HAS PROPOSED. THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND THAT, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WAS THAT I'VE YET TO SEE ONE OF THESE PROPOSALS.
NUMBER ONE, THAT'S NOT BEEN CONTROVERSIAL. IF YOU FOLLOW ANYTHING THAT'S GOING ON IN FORT WORTH, THAT'S BEEN CONTROVERSIAL. BUT TWO, THE SMALLEST HAS BEEN 800, I MEAN, 80 ACRES.
AND THAT THE 200 FOOT SETBACK IS BASICALLY THE SIZE OF THIS ROOM.
AND SO WE RECOMMENDED IT TO GO TO 500, PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT ALL THOSE CENTERS ARE GOING TO HAVE INDUSTRIAL BACKUP GENERATORS THAT ARE GOING TO BE ANYTHING BUT QUIET.
NOW. IS THERE ROOM, YOU KNOW, TO CHANGE THAT OR GO BACK TO 200? SURE. BUT OUR THOUGHT PROCESS WAS THAT. AND THEN SECONDLY.
REALIZE THAT WITH THOSE COME WATER AND ELECTRIC REQUIREMENTS.
AND BOTH OF THOSE COMMODITIES ARE IN DEPENDING ON HOW YOU LOOK AT IT, SHORT OR HIGH DEMAND.
AND WHERE WE WERE CONCERNED THAT WE WANTED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY WHEREBY THAT WAS THE COST FOR THAT INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT WAS BORNE BY SOMEONE OTHER THAN THE EXISTING CITIZENS OF BURLESON.
SO THAT'S NOT IN THE PROPOSAL. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE, I DON'T THINK, NECESSARILY BY CODE, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ASK STAFF TO BE COGNIZANT OF AND BE SENSITIVE TO.
AND I KNOW WHEN I BROUGHT UP TO CREATE THIS DISTRICT, IT WAS WE'RE TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING COMING OR PENDING. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR ONE LITTLE DATA CENTER THAT'S OVER THERE BY THE CONCRETE PLANT, BUT IT'S TO TRY TO GET AHEAD OF IT BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW CONTROVERSIAL THESE THINGS ARE, ESPECIALLY THE ONE IN HOOD COUNTY.
AND THERE'S ONE IN SUMMERVILLE COUNTY, TOO. AND IT WAS SO CONTROVERSIAL THAT THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER THAT HAS NOW LOST IN THE PRIMARY, HAD FOUR OTHER PEOPLE RUNNING AGAINST HIM BECAUSE HE VOTED FOR THE DATA CENTER.
SO IT'S EXTREMELY CONTROVERSIAL, BUT THIS IS GOING TO HELP US TRY TO GET AHEAD OF IT.
AND THE ODDS OF COMING TO BURLESON, I THINK, TOMMY, WE TALKED ABOUT IT THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE DEMAND, BUT WE STILL NEED SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS. CORRECT? YEAH, THAT'S ONE, BUT WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT ON THIS.
AND IT WAS 500 FOR AGAINST A RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT, AND 250 ON COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL.
OKAY. AND I WAS THE DISSENTING VOTE AND I REALLY HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH YOU AT THE BEGINNING.
AND I DON'T FEEL EXTREMELY STRONG ABOUT IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF EACH OF THESE TABLES IS SIX FEET, YOU KNOW WHERE YOU'RE SITTING IS ABOUT 35FT FROM THE WALL.
SO IT WOULD BE JUST A PORTION OF THIS TO GET TO THE 200.
500 SEEMS A LOT TO ASK OF A BUSINESS COMING IN.
THAT'S JUST THE REASON. AFTER STAFF HAD DISCUSSED IT A LITTLE FURTHER, THAT'S WHY I CHANGED MY VOTE.
I WOULD MENTION THE BEAUTIFUL THING ABOUT THAT ZONING DISTRICT IS IT DOESN'T EXIST ON THE MAP.
SO EVERYBODY THAT WANTS IT HAS TO ASK FOR IT.
SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD JUST POP UP ON THE MAP.
THEY'LL HAVE TO COME BEFORE P&Z AND COUNCIL BEFORE THEY CAN EVEN EXIST.
AND WE HAVE A LOT OF, EVEN IF WHATEVER THAT NUMBER BECOMES IN OUR CODE, WE HAVE THAT BROAD DISCRETION WITH THE ZONING TOOL. SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, ARE WE HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WITH THESE CHANGES IS WHAT WE HOPE TO HEAR TONIGHT.
OR IF WE'RE NOT? SOME CONCRETE FEEDBACK ON AREAS WHERE WE NEED TO TWEAK AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, AS WE ENGAGE THE BUILDING COMMUNITY. IT MAY NOT BE EXACTLY THIS WHEN IT COMES IN ITS FINAL FORM, BUT ARE WE GENERALLY TRENDING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION? I THINK WE'RE TRENDING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
AND THERE WAS A LOT OF GREAT IDEAS HERE TONIGHT, A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO TWEAK EACH ONE OF THESE PROGRAMS, ESPECIALLY THE ADUS. THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, A LOT OF GOOD DISCUSSION.
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AND I THINK, TONY, YOU PROBABLY GOT SOME GOOD INFORMATION.WE DO. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF IF SOMEONE WANTS TO PUT FORWARD ANYTHING AS FAR AS ANY KIND OF RECOMMENDED CHANGES OR SUGGESTIONS, WILL CERTAINLY ENTERTAIN THOSE WITH ANY OF THE ITEMS WE PRESENTED.
ALSO, IT'S NOT YOUR ONLY BITE OF THE APPLE. THIS IS JUST US PUTTING THE IDEA IN FRONT OF YOU.
HAVE WE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT? OKAY.
WELL, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS OR DIALOG.
MR.. COMMISSIONER AND MAYOR. I THINK YOU CAN CLOSE THE MEETING.
LET ME MOVE ON FOR THE SO SO COUNCIL AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
THAT BRINGS US TO SECTION FOUR EXECUTIVE SESSION.
AND WE HAVE NO NEED FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS EVENING.
THEREFORE, WE CAN ADJOURN THE MEETING. MAYOR IF YOU WILL ADJOURN THE MEETING AND THEN CHAIRMAN TUNE, IF YOU WILL ADJOURN, ADJOURN AFTERWARDS. COUNCIL IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED. ALL. I'VE GOT A MOTION BY ADAM, A SECOND BY ALEXA.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE VOTE. I HAVE FIVE FOR AND TWO ABSENT.
PASSES UNANIMOUS. AND WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE SESSION UP AT 7:01.
ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONERS, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? [INAUDIBLE] MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD SUGGEST WE ADJOURN THE WORK SESSION.
[INAUDIBLE] IT'S A SEPARATE IT'S A SO YOU WILL HAVE TO. WE STILL ADJOURN IT LIKE NORMAL.
OKAY. OKAY. THEN I WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING AT 7:01 P.M..
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.