Feb 24, 2026 Planning & Zoning Commission

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ALL RIGHT, GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. IT'S 6 P.M. I'LL CALL THE FEBRUARY 24TH, 2026 PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING INTO ORDER. FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS GOING TO BE THE INVOCATION. DAVID, CAN YOU DO THAT FOR US, PLEASE, SIR? FATHER, WE'RE THANKFUL FOR THE MANY BLESSINGS THAT YOU BESTOW UPON US ON A DAILY BASIS. AND LORD, WE'RE THANKFUL FOR THE WEATHER AND THE CHANGE THIS WEEK. WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE COMING DAYS. FATHER, I PRAY THE BLESSINGS UPON EACH AND EVERY ONE ON THIS TABLE TONIGHT. THAT WILL BE GRANTED. YOUR WISDOM AND YOUR UNDERSTANDING AS WE LOOK AT VARIOUS ISSUES, AND THEY WILL COME TO CONCLUSIONS. THAT WILL HONOR THE PATIENTS OF THE CITIZENS OF OUR CITY. TAKE THIS NOW AND BLESS US, AND WE THANK YOU FOR IT FOR IN CHRIST'S NAME, AMEN. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM TWO ASSISTANT APPEARANCES, WHICH DOES NOT APPEAR THAT WE HAVE ANY THIS EVENING ITEM

[3. CONSENT AGENDA]

PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. MOVING ON TO ITEM FOUR, THERE ARE NO PUBLIC HEARINGS.

HEARINGS, FIVE REPORTS AND

[5.A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction on possible amendments to the future land use map (FLUM) of the City's 2020 Midpoint Update of the Comprehensive Plan. (Staff Contact: Tony D. McIlwain, Development Services Director)]

RECEIVER REPORTS HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PROVIDE STAFF DIRECTION ON POSSIBLE AMENDMENTS TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE CITY'S 2020 MIDPOINT UPDATE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE STAFF CONTACT IS TONY MCELWAIN. YES, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. IT HAS BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE HAD OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT TONIGHT, WHAT WE HAVE ARE THREE ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION, NO ACTION, BUT THESE THREE ITEMS ARE ITEMS THAT WE'VE EITHER PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL OR TO A CITY COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE, AND PART OF THE PROCESS IS TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK. ACT BEFORE WE TAKE ANY OFFICIAL ACTION IN THE FORM OF AN ORDINANCE. AND WE THINK, THINK THAT THERE WILL BE A STEADY DIET OF THESE TYPES OF UPDATES TO EITHER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR TO OUR ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR, KIND OF TO REINVIGORATE A JUMP STARTER PROCESS THAT HAS KIND OF LANGUISHED BECAUSE OF US BEING BEHIND THE LEGISLATIVE CHANGES OVER THE LAST FEW SESSIONS. SO THE FIRST ITEM DOES INVOLVE SOME OF THE WORK WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE. AND WE'RE TO BRING IT TO YOU TO GET SOME OF YOUR FEEDBACK INVOLVING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SPECIFICALLY THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT. JUST BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, WE BRIEFED THE IND COMMITTEE ON SEVERAL TOPICS RELATED TO DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS, SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT AND LEGISLATIVE UPDATES. THIS PRESENTATION TONIGHT IS TO FURTHER DISCUSS AND CONSIDER NEXT STEPS AND DIRECTIONS FOR STAFF RELATED TO RATHER DETAILED PROPOSALS REGARDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS.

FUTURE LAND USE MAP UPDATES.

SO WE'VE GOT FOUR DISCUSSION TOPICS WITH THIS FIRST ITEM ON THE SCREEN. MEDIUM HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ALONG OUR MAJOR CORRIDORS IH 35 AND CHISHOLM TRAIL INDUSTRIAL HEAVY USE WITHIN THE EMPLOYMENT GROWTH CENTER DESIGNATION OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND THE CHISHOLM TRAIL CORRIDOR.

WE ARE LOOKING AT A REIMAGINING OR DESIGNATION OF THE TRANSIT-ORIENTED DISTRICT, WHICH IS A LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THE NEED FOR AN ADDENDUM TO THE CITY'S 2020 MIDPOINT PLAN. THIS IS MEANT TO BE INTERACTIVE, SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, PLEASE, IF YOU GET THE CHAIR'S ATTENTION, FEEL FREE TO INTERRUPT ME AND ASK QUESTIONS.

WHAT WE'VE... PROVIDED TONIGHT IS A PAGE DIRECTLY FROM THE CITY'S 2020 MIDPOINT PLAN. AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IS PUT IN SOME PROPOSALS TO REMOVE CERTAIN TEXT FROM THE DOCUMENT, AND THAT'S THE STRIKE THROUGH TEXT AND TO BRING IN NEW TEXT, WHICH IS UNDERLINED. AND ALSO AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE, WE HAVE BRACKETED SOME CONSIDERATIONS FOR ZONING DISTRICTS. THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE REGIONAL OFFICE COMMERCIAL MULTI-FAMILY DESIGNATION, AS WE WANT TO HAVE IT KNOWN WITH THE CITY. WE COLOR-CODED EACH SLIDE TO MATCH A COLOR ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, SO RED CORRESPONDS

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IT'S EASILY ACCESSIBLE TO MAJOR TRAFFIC ROUTES, AND IT'S TYPICALLY NOT AROUND DETACHED SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSING.

AND IT BRINGS TRUTH, ESSENTIALLY, TO THE TEXT THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN THE ZONING CODE. AND ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS YOUR CONSIDERATION AND FEEDBACK ON ADDING MULTIFAMILY DWELLING DISTRICTS MF1 AND MF2, ALONG WITH THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS TO BE PLACED AS ALLOWABLE ZONING DISTRICTS WITHIN THE REGIONAL OFFICE COMMERCIAL NOW MULTIFAMILY DESIGNATION? I'LL PAUSE RIGHT THERE TO ALLOW YOU TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, KIND OF THE THOUGHT BEHIND IT, WHETHER OR NOT YOU THINK FROM A CONTEXT STANDPOINT, IT MAKES SENSE. CAN YOU DEFINE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MULTIFAMILY ONE AND TWO FOR ME? IT'S A MATTER OF DENSITY AND SO WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION, WE'RE RECLASSIFYING IN THE PROCESS OF RECLASSIFYING ZONING DISTRICTS SO THAT WE HAVE A DENSITY. I THINK WE'RE SETTLING ON. I THINK THE BREAK POINT IS 18, OKAY. WE WERE AT 12 AND WE'RE LOOKING AT CHANGING THE DENSITY TO 18, KIND OF THE THRESHOLD BETWEEN THE MF1 AND MF2 UNITS.

AND YOU COULD EITHER BE MORE OR LESS THAN THAT IS WHAT I'M SAYING. AND SO THIS IS ALL THEORETICAL, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANYTHING THAT CAME BEFORE YOU REGARDING A CHANGE TO THE ZONING DISTRICT.

BUT IT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TO RAMP UP DENSITY IN AREAS WHERE WE EXPECT TO HAVE HIGHER DENSITY, TO MAKE IT MORE FLEXIBLE, AND SO WE WANT TO HAVE.

IN THESE AREAS, YOU'RE MORE DENSE, TRULY MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, NOT A MIXTURE OF BUILD-TO-RENT UNITS. WE TOLD A SUBCOMMITTEE WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN PROMOTING THAT, WHERE YOU PUT IN DETACHED SINGLE-FAMILY AND THEN HAVE THOSE AS LEASE SPACES OR LEASE HOUSES. TRULY, YOU'RE HIGHER-SCALE, MULTI-FAMILY.

AND THE PLANT DEVELOPMENT...

ALLOWS A MIXED-USE COMPONENT FOR ANY DEVELOPER THAT WANTS TO MIX IN MULTIFAMILY WITH SOME NON-RESIDENTIAL USE.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING AND LOOKING AT DOING IN THIS AREA. THE RED REPRESENTED ALONG THE 35 THAT'S OUTLINED THERE, IS THAT AVAILABLE SPACE? FOR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? YES, SIR. SO ALL OF THAT SPACE IS ALREADY DESIGNATED FOR REGIONAL OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL.

WE'RE NOT EXPANDING THE LIMITS OF THE DESIGNATION, AND OBVIOUSLY SOME OF IT IS BUILT ON, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S NOT REALLY VACANT. BUT IN THOSE AREAS WHERE THERE IS THE AVAILABILITY FOR LAND TO BE UTILIZED FOR REGIONAL OFFICE OR COMMERCIAL, YOU CAN DO THAT TODAY. YOU CAN ALSO DO MULTIFAMILY TODAY, BUT AS WE'VE ALWAYS TOLD THE COUNCIL, IT'S NOT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SO HOW DO PEOPLE KNOW? YOU ONLY KNOW IF YOU REALLY DO A DEEP DIVE IN OUR DOCUMENTS, AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS JUST BRINGING THIS TO THE FOREFRONT, SO THAT IF YOU ARE AN INVESTOR OR DEVELOPER WHO WANTS TO DO THIS TYPE OF LAND USE, IT'S MORE CLEAR THAT YOU CAN DO IT IN THIS AREA. I'M JUST WONDERING, OUT OF ALL THIS THAT'S IN RED, HOW MUCH OF THAT IS ACTUALLY AVAILABLE? TO BE, I THINK WE HAVE A PRESENTATION LATER WHERE WE'VE DONE A CALCULATION. I THINK IT'S ONE OF YOUR, I THINK IT'S MAYBE THE SECOND PRESENTATION.

I'VE GOT TO GO AND LOOK. WE'VE DONE SO MANY OF THESE, IT'S ALL RUNNING TO A BLUR

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AFTER IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, HOW MANY MULTIFAMILY DWELLINGS WOULD THERE BE ALONG THAT AREA? WELL, IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. WE TYPICALLY DO BUILD OUT SCENARIOS. IT'S A LITTLE TRICKY BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS.

THAT THAT LAND USE IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE REPLICATED THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE AVAILABLE AREA IN A DESIGNATION. SOMETIMES IT IS, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE SOME SYNERGY WHERE YOU'VE GOT LIKE-TYPE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS, THAT CLUSTER, BUT YOU ALMOST ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE A REALLY CENTRIC THOROUGHFARE, ESSENTIALLY ALLOW PEOPLE TO GET ON AND OFF PRETTY QUICKLY. YOU KNOW, I-35 SCRATCHES THAT ITCH, IF YOU WILL. AND ALSO, IT'S CLOSE TO. ALMOST ANYTHING YOU NEED TO GET TO IN BURLESON, AND IF YOU HAVE TO TAKE BUSINESS UP TO FORT WORTH, YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY GET UP THERE PRETTY QUICKLY THROUGH THE INTERSTATE. THE THING THAT I'M KIND OF FOLLOWING ALONG THE SAME LINE FRAMES, THAT IF, JUST TAKE A SCENARIO, THAT IF WHAT'S IN RED BECOMES PREDOMINANTLY MULTIFAMILY, THEN INFRASTRUCTURE-WISE, THE ONLY THING THAT'S THERE IS 35. RIGHT. AND IT SEEMS LIKE THAT MAYBE WE'RE OPENING UP THE DOOR FOR NOT ONLY JAMMING UP 35, BUT JAMMING UP THE FRONTAGE ROADS. GOOD QUESTION. SO WE DON'T CONTROL THE ACCESS POINTS ONTO 35, AND TXDOT WILL DO THAT. AND THEY ARE PRETTY STRICT IN THE AMOUNT OF OPENINGS THEY WILL ALLOW.

AND IN A FORMER COMMUNITY THAT WORKED, THEY REQUIRED GROUPING OF OPENINGS. GROUPINGS OF OPENINGS, IF THEY SEE THAT SOMEBODY'S GOT A PLAN THAT'S GOING TO ALLOW SEVERAL PHASES OF DEVELOPMENT. AND SO THE ONE THING THAT TXDOT IS NOT REALLY FLEXIBLE ON IS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SPACING BETWEEN DRIVEWAY OPENINGS.

IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO GET ONE OFF I-35, BUT EVEN ONTO THE FRONTAGE ROADS, WE SEE THAT CURRENTLY, WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN SPACING REQUIREMENTS TO GET A DRIVEWAY OPENING.

WHAT YOU'LL TYPICALLY GET WITH THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES IS YOU GOT YOUR INTERIOR, TURN LANES AND ALL OF THAT. BUT IF YOU HAVE ROADS THAT BACK UP TO THE COMPLEX, THAT'S WHERE STAFF HAS TO BE CAREFUL TO MAKE SURE TO THE LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS FOR THOSE ROADS AREN'T OVERBURDENED.

WHEN YOU START HAVING A LOT OF MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND WE'LL ASK FOR THE SAME THINGS WE DO NOW, WE ULTIMATELY WILL GET A REPORT ON TRAFFIC. WE DON'T GET IT AT THE PLAT STAGE ANYMORE, BUT WE'LL GET A REPORT ON TRAFFIC. AND TYPICALLY, WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT RESIDENTIAL IS AROUND 10 TRIPS A DAY, BUT YOU GOT TO LOOK AT MULTIFAMILY, MULTIPLY THAT, AND YOU GOT PEAK HOURS IN THE MORNING AND IN THE AFTERNOON WHEN PEOPLE COME HOME. BUT OF ALL THE ROADWAYS IN THE CITY, WELL, FACILITIES IN THE CITY, I-35 IS UP TO THE TASK OF ACCOMMODATING THE TRAFFIC, IT'S THE ACCESS ONTO I-35.

YEAH. THE OTHER ISSUE THAT I SEE, MAYBE NOT AN ISSUE, BUT SOMETHING THAT I'M SURE YOU PROBABLY CONSIDERED, IF YOU COULD. LOOK ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN INTO THE GRAY AREA, THE RED ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF 35, IT BACKS UP TO A NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND WE'VE ALL LIVED THROUGH THOSE DISCUSSIONS HERE PREVIOUSLY. SURE. IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S... I THINK I'VE EXPLAINED BEFORE, IT'S MORE ART THAN SCIENCE IN SOME CASES. YOU DO HAVE TO BE SENSITIVE TO EXISTING DEVELOPMENT. I WILL TELL YOU THAT IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT LAND USE ON A SLIDING SCALE, RESIDENTIAL ALWAYS DOES BETTER BESIDE RESIDENTIAL. BUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, YOUR DENSITY OUTPUT FOR RESIDENTIAL LENDS ITSELF MORE TO COMPATIBILITY WITH NON-RESIDENTIAL USES, MAYBE LOW INTENSITY. WHAT WE PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO SEE IS VERY TALL BUILDINGS, ABUTTING, SINGLE-FAMILY, DETACHED NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOME OF THE INGREDIENTS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO BUILD INTO THE ZONING CODE. YOU HAVE

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BUT I THINK... THE THOUGHT IS, DOES IT MAKE SENSE FOR MULTIFAMILY TO BE IN THIS LOCATION? AND IF IT DOES, I THINK WE CAN PENCIL WHIP THE ZONING IN A WAY THAT IT WORKS IF IT'S AGAINST SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. IF ANY OF Y'ALL LISTEN TO THE TRAFFIC IN THE MORNING OR BEEN ON 35 IN THE MORNINGS, SOMETIMES MORE TIMES THAN, I'M THINKING, MORE TIMES THAN NOT, YOU HEAR THAT THERE'S LINED UP FROM ALVARADO, IT'S A PARKING LOT, ALL THE WAY TO ALMOST FORT WORTH. SO WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO BE ADDING MORE DWELLINGS, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING EVENTUALLY.

WITH THE TRAFFIC, AND EVERYBODY IS ALREADY ON THOSE SERVICE ROADS AT THAT TIME ANYWAY, TRYING TO GET IN AND OFF 35 OR OFF.

ON THE SERVICE ROAD OR OFF THE SERVICE ROAD, AND NOW THEY'RE STARTING TO MAKE THEIR OWN TRAILS OFF, YOU KNOW, AND THINGS OF THIS NATURE. SO I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM. AND THIS IS ALL VERY GOOD DISCUSSION.

WE'RE, WHILE THIS IS GOING TO BE RECORDED, I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE ADEQUATE NOTES OF WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED BECAUSE THESE. THIS PRESENTATION IS GOING TO, AGAIN, GO BACK TO COUNCIL WITH YOUR FEEDBACK, SO PLEASE FEEL FREE. WHAT I'M HEARING IS TRAFFIC AND COMPATIBILITY AGAINST SINGLE-FAMILY RIGHT NOW. I AGREE WITH WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.

THAT'S MY BIG CONCERN. IS THE TRAFFIC AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT THAT BEFORE THESE MULTIFAMILY THINGS COME IN PLACE. BUT ALSO, I WAS LOOKING AT... THE RED, IT ENCROACHES AND SOMETIMES CROSSES OVER INTO FLOODPLAINS. IS THAT A CONCERN? BECAUSE I'M FEELING LIKE, IF IT'S A FLOODPLAIN, IT SHOULDN'T BE ANYTHING THERE.

SURE. THE WAY THAT OUR PLAN IS CURRENTLY LAID OUT IS WE DON'T HAVE EXACT LINES TYPICALLY WHEN WE DO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AS OPPOSED TO OUR ZONING MAP.

AND SO IT DEPENDS ON WHAT LIBERTY THE CONSULTANT TOOK WHEN THIS WAS PUT TOGETHER.

AND THE FLOODPLAIN IS THE FLOODPLAIN, REGARDLESS OF WHAT OUR PLAN SAYS, BECAUSE WE ARE A MEMBER OF THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM. WE PROMULGATE AND ENFORCE THE FEMA RULES. SO ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES INTO THE CITY HAS TO MEET THE FLOODPLAIN REGULATIONS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE DESIGNATION IS.

THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, IF THEY THINK THEY'RE GOING TO LOSE INVENTORY DUE TO THE FLOODPLAIN BECAUSE IT BECOMES MORE COMPACTED, THEY WON'T DO THAT SITE. AND WHAT WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY IS AN INSTANCE OF MULTIFAMILY.

INSTEAD OF SPREADING OUT, YOU CAN GO UP. THAT'S ONE BENEFIT THEY HAVE. BUT YOU STILL HAVE THE REAL DEVELOPMENT. CONCERNS ABOUT PAVING OVER AN AREA THAT MAY BE IN A FLOOD PLAIN, MAKING SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T YIELD A RISE LATER ON IN THE COMMUNITY. SO I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE DESIGNATION DOESN'T CHANGE THE IMPACT OF THE FLOOD PLAIN ON THE GROUND. TONY, I BELIEVE I'VE HEARD THAT TXDOT IS PLANNING TO WIDEN THIS SECTION BETWEEN BURLESON AND I-20. SO SOME OF THAT TRANSPORTATION CONCERN IS ALREADY BEING PLANNED FOR. SO, VERY GOOD POINT. AND WITH ALL OF THESE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS, SOMEBODY COMES IN AND SUBMITS A PLAT, TXDOT IS A COMMUNITY PARTNER, SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND. AND YOU MENTIONED, MS. PLOWMAN, THE INFRASTRUCTURE. SO I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE, WELL, A KNOCK ON WOOD.

WHILE THE CITY RESERVES THE RIGHT TO BE A PARTNER IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO HELP A BUSINESS OR A PROJECT, IN MOST CASES, WITH THESE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPERS, THEY ARE ON THEIR OWN TO RUN AS FAR AS THEY NEED TO GET FOR CITY SEWER. THE LIMITING FACTOR IS OFTEN SEWER IN THE CITY OF BURLESON. SO THESE PROJECTS TYPICALLY DON'T WORK. WHEN IT'S A SEPTIC SYSTEM, BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE SO LARGE FOR THOSE UNITS, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FINANCIALLY.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY YOU DON'T SEE MULTIFAMILY THERE NOW, BECAUSE THE NUMBERS DON'T MAKE SENSE TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.

SO, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE PUTTING

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CHISHOLM TRAIL CORRIDOR IS THE SECOND AREA WE LOOKED AT WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. AGAIN, THE GREEN TEXT IS THE NEW TEXT THAT WE PROPOSED TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE, AND THAT IS TO PROVIDE AN ALLOWANCE FOR MEDIUM TO HIGH DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY TO BE ALLOWED AS PART OF A MIXED, EXCUSE ME, MEDIUM TO HIGH DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY, MULTIFAMILY. RESIDENTIAL MAY BE ALLOWED AS PART OF A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT NON-MAJOR INTERSECTION PARCELS. SO WHAT IS... WHAT IS OUR THINKING WITH THIS? WE'VE GOT A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT OCCURRING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CITY.

YOU'VE GOT CHISHOLM SUMMIT.

YOU'VE GOT THE TALLGRASS MUNICIPAL MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. IT'S ALREADY GOING THAT WAY. AND SO THIS IS ONE OF THOSE EXAMPLES WHERE WE ARE CATCHING UP TO WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CITY.

AND THE STORY THAT'S BEING TOLD IS THE INTEREST THERE IS TO REIMAGINE THAT AS ANOTHER PART OF BURLESON, WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT. A LOT OF SELF-CONTAINED DEVELOPMENT, AND YOU'RE HAVING A RANGE OF HOUSING TYPES GOING IN.

SOME OF IT IS, AGAIN, PART OF A MUNICIPAL MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, BUT WHAT THE COUNCIL HAS APPROVED IS THE ABILITY FOR THAT TO BE ANNEXED IN THE FUTURE. AND SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A PART OF THE CITY. AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THOUSANDS OF UNITS WITH JUST THESE TWO DEVELOPMENTS ALONE. AND SO IT'S GARNERING A LOT OF INTEREST.

AND THERE WILL BE SOME RESIDUAL SPIN-OFF AS MORE NON-RESIDENTIAL USES CLUSTER TO TRY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE ROOFTOPS THAT ARE GOING TO BE ON THE WEST SIDE. THE CITY IS ALSO WORKING WITH TXDOT ON DOING SOME ROAD REALIGNMENT WITH FM 1902 AND CHISHOLM TRAIL CORRIDOR. AND THE DEVELOPERS FOR THESE PROJECTS ARE PART OF THAT. WE'RE WORKING WITH...

SPECIAL UTILITY, JC SOOD, TO LOOK AT HOW WATER IS PROVIDED. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING NOW, RIGHT? AND SO THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT I CALL A CATCH-UP SLIDE BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING.

WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS BRING IT TO THE TO THE FOREFRONT THAT WE'RE ALREADY SEEING THIS DEVELOPMENT INTEREST. WE NEED TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO SPEAK TO IT. AND ALL WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS YOU'RE JUST ADDING A PROVISION TO ALLOW PLANT DEVELOPMENT, AND THE PLANT DEVELOPMENT WILL ESSENTIALLY LOOK MUCH LIKE WHAT THE COUNCIL HAS APPROVED AND WHAT YOU ALL HAVE APPROVED WITH TALLGRASS AND CHISHOLM SUMMIT. SO THIS IS AN INTERESTING ONE, REDESIGNATING TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT CATEGORY. A FEW YEARS AGO, I GUESS WHEN I FIRST STARTED HERE, IT WASN'T THAT LONG AGO, THAT PARTICULAR COUNCIL DID NOT WANT TO SEE DENSITY IN THIS PART OF THE CITY.

COUNCILS CHANGE, AND NOW THE COUNCIL VERY MUCH IS INTERESTED IN DENSITY, WHERE APPROPRIATE. THE TOD WAS IMAGINED AS A RAIL HUB, AND FROM THAT RAIL HUB WOULD CLUSTER, YOU KNOW, A MIXTURE OF HIGH-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USES. THAT'S NO LONGER GOING TO HAPPEN. AND SO THE CHARGE THAT WAS GIVEN TO CITY STAFF WAS, WHAT DOES THIS NEED TO BE? AND WHAT WE PROPOSED TO THE IND COMMITTEE IS YOU TAKE THE LIMITS OF THE TOD. MOST OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS, IF NOT ALL, HAVE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ZONING ON THEIR PROPERTY ALREADY. SO IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF REZONING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. IT'S A QUESTION OF REIMAGINING THE DISTRICT WITHOUT THE CORRESPONDING...

REAL HUB. AND WHAT WE ADVISE THE COMMITTEE IS TO ALL THE AREAS YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, YOU BASICALLY REDESIGNATE THOSE AS NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, GENERAL RETAIL. AND

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THAT'S THE TYPE OF LAND USE WE'RE EXPECTING TO HAPPEN, THINGS THAT FIT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT. AND THEN THE OUTLINE AREAS THAT YOU SEE IN YELLOW, WE'RE GOING TO REDESIGNATE AS FUTURE LAND USE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS MAP.

SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO BUSINESS OR LIVE HERE, RIGHT AROUND THAT CENTRAL NODE, COMMUNITY, COMMERCIAL USES, AND AS YOU FAN OUTWARD, YOU'VE ALREADY GOT PLANT DEVELOPMENT ZONING THERE. OUR THINKING IS... YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. YOU CAN ALREADY DO COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL, OR SOME MIXTURE. IF YOU WANT TO TWEAK THE ZONING ON YOUR PARTICULAR PARCEL, YOU CAN, BUT THE WISDOM OF THE P&Z AND COUNCIL IS THAT THEY'VE ALREADY PLACED THAT PD ZONING ON THOSE PROPERTIES ANYWAY.

WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THE CITY HAS PROPOSED PROJECTS IN THE AREA THAT WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT DOING IN THE FUTURE. WE THINK THAT PARKS IS GOING TO DO SOME INTERESTING PROJECTS OVER IN THIS AREA IN THE FUTURE, AND WE THINK THE THE EFFECT OF THOSE WILL BE A MIXTURE OF RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL USE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE COMMITTEE WANTED TO DISCUSS IS HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE GET THE RIGHT COMPOSITE OF USES, COMBINATIONS OF USES, AND WE THINK THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL IS A LOWER INTENSITY, NON-RESIDENTIAL SET OF LAND USES THAT WILL FIT IN WELL WITH THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.

ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? DO YOU IMAGINE IT GOING A DIFFERENT WAY? WE'VE GOT THE LANGUAGE DESIGNATIONS UP IN THE UPPER RIGHT, AND WE CAN DISCUSS WHAT ALL THOSE DESIGNATIONS MEAN, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE, WE DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD FIT FOR NEIGHBORHOODS. JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE A NON-RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT THAT'S ALREADY ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTIES. AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT AN OLD TOWN, IT'S NOT IN THE CHISHOLM TRAIL CORRIDOR. WE DIDN'T WANT TO INTRODUCE A NEW LANE USE DESIGNATION. WE JUST THOUGHT, WHAT COULD WE SLIDE OVER AND MAKE FIT. AND WE THINK THIS IS A GOOD OPTION. YOU KNOW, I LIVE RIGHT OUTSIDE THE YELLOW LINE IN THE LOWER RIGHT. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT HEWLIN IS A REAL CHALLENGE. AND SO ADDING ANYTHING IN THERE, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF ROAD RECONSTRUCTION FIRST.

SO WE HAVE A WE GOT A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND OUR CAPITAL ENGINEERING GROUP. YOU KNOW, COUNCIL WILL SET US OUT MONEY EVERY BUDGET YEAR.

AND THERE'S A LIST OF PROJECTS. AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS TRYING TO KNOCK AS MANY OF THOSE PROJECTS OFF AS WE CAN. AND SO WE'VE BEEN GIVEN A CHALLENGE WHEN I SAY WE. CITY STAFF HAS GIVEN, BEEN GIVEN A CHALLENGE OF IMPLEMENTING THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND THAT INCLUDES THE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG HEWLIN. AND SOMETIMES IT INCLUDES BUYING PROPERTY TO ALIGN THE ROADWAYS SO THAT THEY WORK IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN. THAT IS ONGOING AS WE SPEAK. THE LIMITING FACTOR IN THAT IS, OF COURSE, MONEY. AND SO IT GETS A LITTLE SLOW BECAUSE WE LOOK AT HOW WE CAN LEVERAGE FUNDS THROUGH FUNDING, AND SOMETIMES THAT SLOWS DOWN THE PROCESS. ALSO, THE MPO IS INVOLVED IN NOT THIS PROJECT, BUT INVOLVED IN OTHER THINGS THAT WE DO.

SO. ABSOLUTELY, HEALING NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THERE, IF NOT BEFORE ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT OCCURS. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE FROM A USE PLAN FOR THE LAND THAT BACKS UP TO THE PRAIRIE TIMBERS AND ULTIMATELY TO TANTARA? SO THAT YOU DON'T END UP... WITH THE SAME THING THAT YOU'VE GOT IN WAKEFIELD, WITH THE WALMART BACK AND RIGHT UP TO THE HOUSES. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT WENT IN ILLEGALLY AND IT'S ALL DONE, BUT I MEAN, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE BACK DRIVEWAY OF WALMART TO THE BACK FENCE OF WAKEFIELD IS NOT MUCH. I WILL ALWAYS SAY THERE'S THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE, AND I THINK A LOT OF THAT IS CONTINGENT ON...

WHAT ACTIONS HAVE TO BE UNDERTAKEN? I MEAN, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL REQUIRE YOUR CONSIDERATION, BECAUSE IT'S A REZONE THAT'S BEING REQUESTED, I THINK WE JUST... AS A STAFF,

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BUT I HAD A CITY WHERE FOUR WALMARTS WERE PLANNED, ALL ACROSS THE CITY IN A STRING, AND EACH NEIGHBORHOOD HAD A DIFFERENT IMPACT. TWO OF THOSE WALMARTS NEVER CAME TO PASS BECAUSE OF COMMUNITY OUTCRY. AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO BE JUST VERY SENSITIVE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT'S THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE, BUT ALSO WHAT IS THE MOST COMPATIBLE USE.

SOMETIMES THEY DON'T MIX. AND I THINK THAT CAN SOMETHING BE DONE? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THAT WE SEE THAT WE'VE GOT A WEAKNESS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AND WE WANT TO ADDRESS THAT.

WE ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT. I DON'T THINK THAT HAS TO WAIT UNTIL A CERTAIN POINT IN TIME. I THINK WE HAVE A CHARGE TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION. I THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WORK THAT EFFORT THROUGH OUR OTHER PEERS IN THE CITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MAKES SENSE, AND THEN BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION, TO THE COUNCIL'S ATTENTION, TO THE CITIZENS' ATTENTION, BECAUSE IT'S THEIR PROPERTY, NOT OURS, AND GET FEEDBACK. I THINK THAT THIS PROCESS WE'RE UNDERTAKING TONIGHT, NOTHING WILL HAPPEN UNTIL WE GET COMMUNITY FEEDBACK. IT'S TO GIVE YOU A SNEAK PEEK BEFORE YOU PUT IN A HOT SEAT TO MAKE A DECISION. SINCE IT'S ALREADY DESIGNATED AS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, IT COULDN'T GO TO JUST FROM PLANNED AS DESIGNATED TO, SAY, REGIONAL OFFICE. WELL, THE ZONING STAYS AS IT IS. THE LANE'S DESIGNATION CAN CHANGE.

HOWEVER, IF YOU WERE TO TAKE AND PEEL BACK ALL OF WHAT'S ALLOWED IN THOSE PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS, YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF, WHAT'S LIKELY GOING TO HAPPEN? AND DO I WANT TO...

WELL, I'M GOING TO TAKE ANOTHER STEP BACK. YOU HAVE THIS NOTION OF VESTING.

WHERE THEY'VE ALREADY GOT ZONING IN PLACE, SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP SAYS, THEY DON'T NEED TO REZONE THEIR PROPERTY. THEY PULL A BUILDING PERMIT, THEY PLANT THEIR PROPERTY, THEY'RE GOOD TO GO.

BUT WE CAN DIRECT GROWTH, RIGHT, AND DIRECT THE LAND USE TYPE.

SO I THINK. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS A GOOD FUNCTIONAL LANGUAGE DESIGNATION, THAT COULD BE DISCUSSED. I THINK THAT IF WE BELIEVE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING ELSE IN ANOTHER AREA, IT'S NICE TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT MAKES SENSE.

AND SOMETIMES, IF IT IS TO LIMIT NONCOMPATIBLE USES, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS DOCUMENT IS MEANT TO DO. SO IF YOU THINK THAT THERE IS A... I MEAN, THAT WAS A PRETTY ROBUST DISCUSSION BETWEEN OUR DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT URBAN MIXED USE WAS A MORE APPROPRIATE LAND USE DESIGNATION. TO PUT ALONG THE CENTRAL NODE.

BUT IT'S SHADES OF GRAY, NO PUN INTENDED, BUT IT'S REALLY, HOW DO WE ENVISION THE AREA LOOKING, AND IF COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL IS MORE APPROPRIATE, AND WHETHER OR NOT, AND WE, KIND OF, WE LEFT. WE ARE TRYING TO INTRODUCE THOSE AREAS IN YELLOW AS SOMETHING CALLED MIXED-USE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, MIXED-USE, EXCUSE ME, ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, SIMPLY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S ALLOWED THERE ON THE GROUND NOW. AND IF WHAT I'M SAYING SOUNDS LIKE GREEK, LET ME KNOW. IT'S A BUNCH OF PLANNING, SPEAK, AND I JUST... I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS BEING EXPLAINED IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE FOR YOU, BECAUSE PEOPLE LOOK AT THINGS DIFFERENTLY. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. HE AND I LOOK AT THINGS DIFFERENTLY ALL DAY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, HOW THE ZONING INTERPLAYS WITH THE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS.

AND I WOULD TELL YOU, FOR THIS EXERCISE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE ZONING PER SE. I'LL MENTION ZONING, BUT IT'S REALLY, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WHAT MAKES SENSE. SO COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL WOULD INCLUDE PARKS, IS THAT? SO WE WILL ALLOW PARKS ALMOST IN EVERY DESIGNATION. I MEAN, EVERYBODY LOVES A PARK.

EVERYBODY WANTS A PARK. THE ISSUE WITH PARKS IS PARKS SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT A LIMITED AMOUNT OF STAFF AND WE DON'T TYPICALLY ALLOW. I THINK THERE'S ONE PRIVATE PARK IN THE CITY. SO MOST OF THE PARK LAND WE GET, THERE'S A DISCUSSION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT'S NEEDED.

SURE. WE DON'T WANT LESS THAN DESIRABLE PROPERTIES. YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS A PRETTY GOOD DIET OF FLOODPLAIN PROPERTY. I DON'T THINK WE WANT ANY MORE OF THAT. BUT I THINK THAT IF IT MAKES SENSE, PARKS WILL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE DEVELOPER. WELL, I JUST WANT TO GO ON RECORD, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S MY PASSION THAT WE WOULD SEE AN EXPANDED LIBRARY PRESENCE IN THE CITY. THIS WOULD BE A MARVELOUS PLACE TO EXPAND IT

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AGREED. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS, QUESTIONS? WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU HAD TO DO IT? WHAT WAS THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND NOT INCLUDING THE TRACKS NORTH OF ALSBURY, BETWEEN CANDLER AND HEWLIN IN THE YELLOW? INSTEAD OF JUST LEAVING IT AS PD. WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, WE KIND OF TOOK THE APPROACH OF WHAT AREAS ARE DESIGNATED NOW? WHAT IS THE LEAST INTRUSIVE ACTION THE CITY CAN UNDERTAKE WITH REGARD TO THIS EXERCISE? AND WHAT WE'VE ATTEMPTED TO DO IS TO NOT INCREASE ANY AREA THAT... WAS PREVIOUSLY DESIGNATED. WHILE WE CAN DO THAT, WE WANTED TO KIND OF LIMIT THE EXERCISE TO, AS YOU SEE WITH THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, WHAT IS ALREADY SET ASIDE FOR THE IH-35 CORRIDOR, WHAT IS ALREADY SET ASIDE FOR THE TOD, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT PART OF THE TOD ALREADY, WE DON'T WANT TO MESS WITH PEOPLE WHO DON'T NEED TO BE MESSED WITH. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND SO WE DO TRY TO BE SENSITIVE TO THAT EFFECT. WHERE IT'S AN EASIER DISCUSSION IF WE BRING YOU INTO THE OFFICE AND SAY, HEY, MR. JONES, YOU'RE ALREADY WITHIN THIS AREA, BUT HERE'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO. GET YOUR FEEDBACK, AS OPPOSED TO GOING HALF A MILE DOWN THE ROAD. WHAT? WHAT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YOU KNOW, SO COULD WE EXTEND IT? WE COULD.

BUT THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE. HAVE IT DRAWN? AS NOW, I WILL TELL YOU THAT AS THIS THING CHANGES, BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE THIS EXERCISE IS GOING TO BE FINISHED.

IN A SHORT ORDER, IT MAY VERY WELL EXPAND. IT MAY GET SMALLER. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT WILL BE THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AS WE CONTINUE TO BRING THIS FORWARD AND WORK IT THROUGH.

CONCLUSION. ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I PROCEED? OBSERVATIONS? THIS IS MORE, I GUESS I SHOULD HAVE ADVANCED A SLIDE, AND I PROBABLY ALREADY SPOKE TO THIS, BUT THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU SOME ANSWERS AS TO WHAT EXACTLY IS THE PURPOSE OF ALL THIS. AND I WON'T READ TO YOU BECAUSE I THINK YOU ALL ARE EDUCATED PEOPLE AND YOU CAN READ, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING A COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL BASICALLY AROUND THOSE NODES THAT MAKE SENSE. AND WE CALL THOSE SUITABLE AREAS FOR DEVELOPMENT. AND AGAIN, LIGHT TO MEDIUM INTENSITY COMMERCIAL USES. SO WHAT WE'RE SUPPORTING, WE'RE SUPPORTING SURROUNDING URBAN DEVELOPMENT.

BECAUSE IF YOU ARE A BUSINESS OWNER, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GO OUT SOMEWHERE WHERE THERE'S NO BUSINESS FOR YOU TO CATER TO.

SO THE MAYOR IS ON THE IND COMMITTEE, AND I KNOW THAT, AND THE MAYOR PRO TEM, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS AND CHALLENGES AS TO WHAT WAS THE MIND. SET BEHIND SOME OF THE NEW TEXT, AND WE REVISED THE TEXT BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT WERE DIDN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. THEY WERE PRETTY KEEN OBSERVATIONS, AND COUNCILWOMAN BEDECKER IS ALSO AN IND COMMITTEE, BUT THEY WERE HONED IN ON THE TEXT BECAUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT, AND THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TEXT MADE SENSE TO THE AVERAGE RESIDENT. AND THEY WANTED IT AS PLAIN SPOKEN AS POSSIBLE, AND THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS CONSISTENT IN HOW IT READ. AND SO YOU SEE A LOT OF MENTION AS TO THE CHANGES, WHAT ARE MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENTS? WELL, OFFICE, RETAIL, CULTURAL FACILITIES, RANGE OF MEDIUM TO HIGH DENSITY, SINGLE-FAMILY, MULTIFAMILY. THE LANGUAGE BELOW THAT, AGAIN, INTEGRATION AT KEY NODES. WE'RE REPEATING THIS THEME THAT WE WANT TO DRIVE TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.

AND PLACEMAKING AND WALKABILITY, THAT'S REALLY HIGH ON EVERYBODY'S LIST. EVERYBODY WANTS A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO DIRECT DEVELOPMENT THAT WAY.

SOME DEVELOPERS WILL NATURALLY GRAVITATE THAT WAY, BUT SOME DON'T, AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU SPEAK TO IT, BUT ALSO BUILD UP YOUR CODE STANDARDS THAT REQUIRE IT.

IN LANDSCAPING AND URBAN DESIGN, THAT WAS REALLY A BIG THING FOR THE MAYOR. PRO TEM. HE'S AN AVID WALKER, BICYCLIST, AND BURLESON HAS LOST A FAIR AMOUNT OF TREES OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST FEW YEARS DUE TO DEVELOPMENT. AND HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT WE GET SOME OF THAT BACK AS NEW DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS? AND THAT'S TO SPEAK TO LANDSCAPING. AND TO BE CREATIVE WITH LANDSCAPING, TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A MORE SETTLED-IN DEVELOPMENT IN THE BEGINNING, INSTEAD OF WAITING MANY YEARS TO HAVE A TREE GROW. LET'S THINK ABOUT PRESERVING SOME

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BECAUSE THERE'S LITERALLY, I THINK WE'VE GOT A WHOLE SLIDE IN ANOTHER PRESENTATION. LET ME ANSWER IT, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF WE DO NOW. THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS IT DEPENDS ON WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO. IF YOU ARE IN THE NORTHEAST PART OF THE COUNTRY, THEIR LOW DENSITY IS JUST.

REALLY DENSE COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN TEXAS, RIGHT? AND SO I FORGET WHICH COUNCIL MEMBER ASKED, I SHOULD SAY, COMMITTEE MEMBER ASKED, AND MR. PIERCE WAS WORKING ON THAT. HE GOES, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER. WE MAY HAVE TO DEFINE WHAT THAT MEANS FOR US HERE IN BURLESON. AND THAT'S THE ANSWER. WE HAVE TO DEFINE WHAT WE CONSIDER THE DENSITY TO BE. AND SO, BURLESON IS BURLESON. IT IS NOT ARLINGTON. IT'S NOT MANSFIELD. AND SO THAT'S PART OF OUR CHARGE. PART OF YOUR CHARGE IS WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE DENSITY FOR THIS AREA, MORE SPECIFICALLY, WHAT'S THE APPROPRIATE DENSITY FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT? SO WHEN YOU GET THOSE PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS AND GET THESE ZONING CHANGES, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DENSITY IS APPROPRIATE FOR THAT PART OF THE CITY. SO THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. THAT WAS A LONG DISCUSSION, BECAUSE IT IS, IT IS CENTRAL TO ALL OF THIS.

WHAT IS HIGH DENSITY? WHAT IS MEDIUM DENSITY? THE ANSWER IS, WE DON'T KNOW YET. WE'RE GOING TO DEFINE THAT AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS. WELL, I'D SUGGEST THAT, SINCE THIS IS NEW TEXT, THAT YOU START LOW RATHER THAN STARTING HIGH. AND THEN HAVING TO TRY AND BACK IT BACK OUT, BECAUSE I THINK THE COMMUNITY HAS SPOKEN THAT THEY DON'T WANT HIGH-DENSITY, MORE MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENTS. I'M LOOKING FOR Y'ALL FOR SUPPORT HERE. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO CHANGE THAT TO A LOW...

TO MEDIUM DENSITY. JUST AS YOU KNOW, SINCE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, AND I'M WRITING THIS DOWN.

THANK YOU. TO ADD TO A LOT THAN IT IS ONCE IT'S IN THERE, THAN IT IS TO TAKE IT OUT. I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UM, I FORGET WHAT MEETING IT WAS.

IT WAS LAST YEAR. I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE SHOULD HAVE THE DATE, BUT THERE WAS A REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT DENSITY WITH THE CITY COUNCIL. AND THERE'S A PUSH FROM THE COUNCIL FOR STAFF TO THINK OF WAYS TO INCREASE DENSITY, WHERE APPROPRIATE. AND SO I THINK THE QUESTION, AT LEAST IN THE COUNCIL'S MIND, IS NOT WHETHER OR NOT THEY DON'T WANT DENSITY. THE QUESTION IS, IS DENSITY APPROPRIATE HERE? SO WHEN YOU'RE BREAKING UP, THE FACT THAT SHOULD IT BE, OR THE QUESTION IS, SHOULD IT BE? LOW TO MEDIUM INSTEAD OF MEDIUM TO HIGH. VERY GOOD QUESTION.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ALL THIS FEEDBACK TO THE COUNCIL. I THINK IF COUNCIL WANTS TO GET THEMSELVES INTO A BIND, BRING IN SEVERAL HIGH-DENSITY, MULTI-COMPLEX APARTMENTS, AND THEN THEY'LL HEAR FROM THEM THEN. I THINK WE'VE GOT ONE DEVELOPMENT, EMILIO, I THINK.

WHAT'S THE GROUP'S NAME? CALTERRA. CALTERRA, THANK YOU.

WE'VE GOT ONE PROJECT THAT CAME BEFORE YOU ALL A FEW YEARS BACK, AND I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT WE'VE APPROVED IN THE TOD RECENTLY, AND I THINK THAT'S THREE STORIES LIMIT, BUT THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF IT WAS MIXED USE, AND EVERYTHING HAS A LIMITING FACTOR. THE LIMITING FACTOR WAS THEY HAD TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF RETAIL USE. STOOD UP BEFORE THEY COULD MOVE TO THE NEXT PHASE OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

AND I THINK THAT'S GREAT. I THINK, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE DOWN THERE NEXT TO THE OTHER ONE, THAT'S, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY LOW TO MEDIUM DENSITY, IS THE DOWN BY TSC THAT CAME TO US AND GOT APPROVED, CREATED A LITTLE BIT OF A STINK AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL. BUT THAT MAKES MORE SENSE RIGHT THERE ON HILLSBORO, I MEAN, ON WILSHIRE. WHEREAS EVEN THE ONE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT THERE ON OSBURY, IT KIND OF MADE SENSE. I THINK WE WENT ALONG WITH IT. BUT ONCE YOU GET MUCH DENSER THAN THAT, IN THAT AREA, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO RUN INTO SOME CHALLENGES. DULY NOTED, AND I'VE GOT THAT WRITTEN DOWN AS A TALKING POINT WITH THE COUNCIL. SO THIS IS INTERESTING. INDUSTRIAL, HEAVY INDUSTRIAL EMPLOYMENT GROWTH CENTER. WE'VE GOT A CIRCLE AROUND THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND THAT PURPLE IS ALREADY REFLECTED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

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AND WE EVALUATED THE CITY AND WE THOUGHT, WELL, WE THINK THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST APPROPRIATE AREA BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY GOT INDUSTRIAL ZONING THAT'S ALLOWED HERE. AND MORE WORK IS BEING DONE IN THE BACKGROUND WITH REGARD TO FLESHING OUT ZONING CHANGES, BUT WE'RE DIRECTING THOSE TYPES OF USES.

ALONG THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE CORRIDOR, AS OPPOSED TO ANYWHERE ELSE. THE AREAS IN GRAY ARE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, BUT WE DIDN'T THINK THAT THAT NEEDED TO BE PUT ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY. WE LOOKED AT THE CHISHOLM TRAIL CORRIDOR. WE THOUGHT THAT'S NOT A GOOD, GOOD IDEA. AND WE HAD A REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS ANY APPROPRIATENESS OF THAT TO HAPPEN. INTERIOR TO THE CITY. WE DIDN'T THINK SO. SO THIS IS ONE OF THOSE EXAMPLES WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE MUCH. HAPPENING OTHER THAN? THERE'LL BE SOME ZONING CHANGES THAT WILL BE CONTEMPLATED, AND THOSE ZONING CHANGES WILL FIT INTO THE SAME USE CATEGORY. SO IT'S MORE OF A FYI FOR YOU, YOU'LL SEE SOME CHANGES IN SOME ORDINANCES, AND THAT'S WHERE WE THINK THESE USES SHOULD GO IN INDUSTRIAL. THE CITY MANAGER TASKED US WITH PUTTING IN A PROCESS WHERE WE CAN MAKE UPDATES TO THE CITY'S FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

SO, FULL DISCLOSURE, WE'RE OVERDUE FOR A NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT THOSE THINGS ARE EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE, AND WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW TO TAKE THAT OUT FOR A THIRD-PARTY CONSULTANT TO WORK ON. SO, WE THINK WE CAN UPDATE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN SMALLER BITES. SO WE KIND OF DID A NATIONWIDE LOOK AND SETTLED ON A PLACE IN VIRGINIA THAT HAD A PRETTY COOL IDEA.

THEY DO ADDENDUMS, AND THESE ARE MEANT TO CAPTURE CHANGES THAT HAVE ALREADY OCCURRED OR ARE IN PROCESS OF OCCURRING IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND SO WE'VE GOT BULLET POINTS, WHICH ARE SOME OF THE CATEGORIES WHERE WE WOULD UTILIZE AN ADDENDUM AND BE ATTACHED AS A KIND OF A...

LIVING DOCUMENT TO A LIVING DOCUMENT, IF YOU WILL, WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN GO AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT HAS STAFF DONE WELL, WHAT IS COUNCIL APPROVING, YOU'VE GOT AN UPDATE, YOU'VE GOT A LIST OF ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED, SO THEY CAN KNOW THAT THE CITY IS MOVING FORWARD ON THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT'S NOT JUST SITTING ON THE SHELF. AND WE'VE GOT TEXT AND MAP CHANGES, WE'VE GOT SOME GOALS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND ACCOMPLISHED BY CITY STAFF. WE TYPICALLY DON'T HAVE CHANGES TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

THAT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING THAT HAS HAPPENED HERE, BUT IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, WE WOULD NOTE THAT IN THE ADDENDUM. WHEN WE HAVE, WE JUST MENTIONED THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, PUTTING THAT IN AS A TEXT CHANGE, LIKE, WHAT HAS HAPPENED, WHAT HAS CHANGED IN THIS LAND USE DESIGNATION RECENTLY? OH, COUNCIL APPROVED A NEW ZONING DISTRICT THAT WILL GO INTO THIS DESIGNATION. IT'S JUST A CHECKLIST OF ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON WITH THE PLAN, BECAUSE AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, IF YOU GO AND LOOK AT YOUR 2020 PLAN, IT'S JUST, THERE'S NOTHING THAT TELLS YOU THE PROGRESS ON ANYTHING. THE CITY'S WEBSITE TELLS YOU THE PROGRESS ON NOTHING. WE KNOW THE PROGRESS, BUT WE'RE NOT REPORTING IT. IN A WAY THAT YOU KNOW AS COMMISSIONERS, THAT THE COUNCIL KNOWS, AND, MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS. SO THIS ADDENDUM WILL GIVE EVERYBODY KIND OF A CHECKUP LIST OF WHAT'S GOING WELL, WHAT'S BEEN DELAYED. WHAT'S

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BUT AS YOU ALL KNOW, THAT TAKES YEARS, A LOT OF COMMUNITY FEEDBACK. AND THIS IS MORE OF A QUICK HITTING.

HERE'S WHAT WE'VE DONE. HERE'S A REPORT CARD, BASICALLY. AND WE'LL ACCOUNT FOR A LOT OF THINGS, AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE ON THIS LIST ARE THINGS THAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED WITH THE COUNCIL. NONE OF THIS IS NEW TO THEM, BUT IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM, WE THOUGHT, WELL, THAT'S GREAT. WHO'S TALKED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION? AND SO WE SAID, WHY DON'T WE TAP THE BRAKES? AND LET'S TALK TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND GET Y'ALL ON BOARD IN UNDERSTANDING. WHAT'S GOING ON? AND GET YOUR FEEDBACK. I THINK EVERYBODY ON STAFF AGREES, NOBODY WANTS TO HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS. AND YOU GO, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND SO THIS GIVES YOU SOME TIME TO THINK ABOUT THAT. AND ALSO TALK ABOUT THE ADDENDUM PROCESS. IF YOU HAVE SOME OTHER IDEAS, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR THEM. WE THINK IT'S, WE THINK IT'S CLEANER THIS WAY, IT'S NOT OPTIMAL, BUT WE THINK THAT IT WILL WORK FOR THE TIME BEING. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE. SO FAIRFAX COUNTY, VIRGINIA, USES ONE. AND I SHOWED THIS TO THE IMB COMMITTEE. SO IT'S REAL, IT'S LIVE, AND THEY'VE GOT A VERY DETAILED ADDENDUM THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU SPECIFIC SECTIONS AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE.

THEIRS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE BROAD BECAUSE THEY LOOK AT OTHER MASTER PLANNING EFFORTS.

WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE 2020 UPDATE. SO OURS WILL BE A MORE SCALED DOWN VERSION OF THIS. BUT I FLIPPED THROUGH IT SEVERAL TIMES. IT'S VERY INFORMATIVE. AS SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T LIVE THERE, I UNDERSTOOD WHAT THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL AT DOING, AND IT GAVE ME A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT THEY WERE WORKING ON.

AND SORT OF KIND OF, LIKE, WHAT ARE MY TAX DOLLARS PAYING FOR.

WELL, YOU PAY FOR A DOCUMENT, BUT IS THAT DOCUMENT ACTUALLY BEING IMPLEMENTED? AND SO IF YOU'RE A RESIDENT HERE, YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S BEING IMPLEMENTED, THAT'S BEING PUT ON THE BACK BURNER, BUT YOU KNOW WHY, BECAUSE THERE SHOULD BE AN EXPLANATION AS TO.

COUNCIL MADE THE DECISION NOT TO MOVE FORWARD. HERE'S WHY.

AND IT'S VERY GOOD. I THINK IT'S VERY HELPFUL. YOU DROVE RIGHT DOWN TO THE SECTION YOU WANT TO LOOK AT, READ ACROSS, AND YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING ON. SO THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO US, AND WE'LL LISTEN AND TAKE NOTES AND TAKE THOSE BACK TO THE COUNCIL. REAL QUICK QUESTION. FOR THE ADDENDUMS THAT YOU JUST SHOWED, IS THAT GOING TO BE RETROACTIVE BACK TO 2020 OR JUST STARTING FROM WHEN IT'S ADOPTED? ALWAYS RETROACTIVE. RIGHT NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE 2020 PLAN, YOU'VE GOT, I THINK, 20 DIFFERENT SECTIONS. EACH SECTION HAS A BREAKDOWN OF ALL THESE GOALS AND IS ATTACHED TO VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS. A LOT OF THAT WORK HAS ALREADY BEEN ACCOMPLISHED. WHEN I FIRST GOT HIRED HERE, THE FIRST THING I LOOKED AT WAS WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY? AND A LOT HAD ALREADY BEEN DONE, BUT I DON'T WORK IN THOSE DEPARTMENTS, AND UNLESS YOU HAVE OPEN LINES OF COMMUNICATION, YOU GO, HEY, YOU'VE GOT GOLD, WHATEVER.

THEY MAY SAY, DUDE, THAT WAS DONE 15 MONTHS AGO.

WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? AND SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT COMMUNICATION, AND WHAT I LIKE TO DO IS TELL THE DEPARTMENT, YOU FILL IT OUT. IT'S YOUR BABY, RIGHT? YOU KNOW IT BETTER THAN I DO. WE SEND YOU THE ADDENDUM, YOU KNOW, YOU SEND US THE TEXT, AND IT'LL GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2020. THERE ARE SOME EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN STALLED, AND SO WE DO QUARTERLY UPDATES TO THE... IT'S QUARTERLY UPDATES, BUT IT GOES TO THE COUNCIL, IT DOESN'T GO TO YOU, AND A LOT OF IT HAPPENS TO BE LAND USE. I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN TELLING THE COUNCIL WE'RE GOING TO DO AN UPDATE TO THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. IT'S A JOKE NOW, THEY START TO LAUGH, LIKE, YEAH, RIGHT, YOU KNOW, BUT... THE IDEA IS WE DO WANT TO GET THIS WORK DONE, BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT. IF YOU'RE COMING TO COUNCIL MEETINGS, YOU'VE GOT TO KEEP SAYING THE SAME THING ABOUT NOT SEEING ANYTHING HAPPEN. THIS ADDENDUM IS SUPPOSED TO TELL YOU WHY IT'S NOT HAPPENING. IT COULD BE THAT IT'S TIED UP WITH LEGAL REVIEW. IT COULD BE THAT WE'RE WAITING ON THE NEXT ROUND OF LEGISLATIVE CHANGES, SO WE WON'T HAVE TO UNDO SOMETHING WE'VE DONE PREVIOUSLY.

BUT WE ARE GOING BACK TO 2020.

I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCIL HAS MENTIONED THIS OR EVEN BROUGHT IT UP, BUT I KNOW THAT WHENEVER SOMETHING LIKE, BECAUSE THIS IS A BIG SCALE, THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS. AND I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A JOINT MEETING, POSSIBLY WITH CITY COUNCIL, BEFORE ANYTHING GETS IMPLEMENTED OR POSSIBLY VOTED ON. THAT WAY, WE KNOW. WHERE COUNCIL IS COMING FROM, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU SAID YOU'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING THIS UP WITH THEM. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK KIND OF WHAT WE DID WHENEVER WE WERE DISCUSSING ZONING FOR LIQUOR STORES, HAVING THAT ACTUAL DISCUSSION FACE-TO-FACE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL WHEN

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AT LEAST LIKE ONE. WE NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE, I THINK.

WELL, I AGREE. I THINK THAT IF YOU'VE PARTICIPATED IN THAT BEFORE, IT'S A GOOD COMMUNICATION.

EVERYBODY HAS A DIFFERENT, COMES WITH THEIR OWN PERSPECTIVE. AS APPOINTED CITIZENS, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU GET TO HEAR THE COUNCIL AND WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE, AND ALSO THEY HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS. WE HAVE THE BENEFIT OF SPEAKING IN FRONT OF BOTH GROUPS. I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AGAIN, THIS WON'T BE THE LAST TIME YOU SEE THIS, BUT IT'S JUST MEANT TO GIVE YOU SOME IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON. SO JUST KIND OF BIG PICTURE, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND. KIND OF, WHAT ARE THE STEPS THAT WERE TAKEN STARTING TODAY, ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THESE ACTUALLY BEING ADOPTED? SURE.

WITH JUST THIS ITEM WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE NEED TO GET COMMUNITY FEEDBACK. SO I WANT TO FOCUS ON THAT A LITTLE BIT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE'S REAL PROPERTY.

AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE A DISSERVICE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS AND ACTIONS UNDERTAKEN WHERE INDIVIDUALS DON'T KNOW THAT THESE THIS ACTION IS HAPPENING. SO WHAT STAFF WILL HAVE TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT WE DO OUTREACH. AND MAKE SURE THAT WE, MUCH LIKE WE DID IN LEAD THEM TO 2020 PLAN, GET PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE.

HEY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. YOU CAN DO DIRECT MAIL. IF YOU LIKE, LET'S LOOK AT A TOD. WE CAN LITERALLY HAND COUNT THE PARCELS. YOU COULD ACTUALLY DO A DIRECT MAIL TO THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS AND GO, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOUR PROPERTY IS SQUARELY WITHIN THIS AREA, PLEASE PROVIDE FEEDBACK. IF IT'S MORE GENERAL DISCUSSION, WE CAN DO NOTICE, WHICH IS, I THINK, APPROPRIATE. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO CATCH EVERYBODY.

YOUNGER PEOPLE COMMUNICATE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. YOU KNOW, YOU MAY GIVE THEM A QR CODE AND OFF THEY GO, RIGHT? SOME INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE OLDER, DIRECT MAIL WORKS BETTER.

IN THE PAST, I'VE DONE A COMBINATION WHERE WE'VE DONE UTILITY INSERTS, DIRECT MAIL, WEBSITE. AT ONE POINT IN TIME, I THINK WE EVEN DID A RADIO SPOT. AND JUST TO GET ATTENTION, WE PUT UP THINGS ON CITY FACILITIES. JUST TO GET THE WORD OUT THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. THEY CONFUSE IT WITH ZONING, OR THINK YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING TO THEIR PROPERTY THAT WILL RENDER IT USELESS, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING.

BUT WHAT IS THE TIMETABLE FOR THAT? I DON'T KNOW. I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, BECAUSE I DON'T—THIS IS THE ONE EXERCISE WHERE WE—IT'S NOT ZONING. WE DON'T WANT TO RUSH THROUGH IT. WE DON'T WANT TO CIRCUMVENT THAT PUBLIC OUTREACH PROCESS. AND I THINK IT'D BE VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE— PUT A PLAN TOGETHER. BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'VE NOT BRIEFED THE FULL COUNCIL ON THIS. IT WAS JUST DONE AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL.

AND ONCE THE FULL COUNCIL GETS IT, THIS IS JUST ONE STEP AND WE'LL GIVE SOME FEEDBACK. AND I THINK AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE'VE GOT DEVELOPMENT INTERESTS THAT NEED TO KNOW. SO I DON'T HAVE A PLAN, WE'LL PUT A PLAN TOGETHER, BUT I THINK PART OF THAT IS, DO WE WANT TO HAVE A JOINT MEETING? DO I MEAN, THESE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS WE WANT TO KIND OF WALK THROUGH. I JUST DON'T WANT TO DO IT IN ISOLATION, IN A VACUUM. I DON'T THINK THAT WORKS WELL. THIS IS JUST A GENERAL COMMENT THAT I THINK WE'RE EXPERIENCING GROWING PAINS THROUGH ALL THIS.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SEEMS APPARENT IS THAT, JUST LIKE IN THE CONVERSATION YOU TALKED ABOUT INSERTING THE WATER BILLS, THAT WORKS FINE FOR A CERTAIN POPULATION.

RIGHT.

BUT IT DOESN'T WORK FINE FOR THE OTHERS BECAUSE THEY DON'T GET IT. RIGHT. WE'RE IN A SPLIT ENVIRONMENT WITH JOSHUA SCHOOL DISTRICT, THE ELECTRIC, ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF. AND IT SEEMS LIKE THAT THE PLAN NEEDS TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THOSE INPUTS. SO THAT WE DON'T END UP WITH, OH, WE'VE GOT TO BUILD A ROAD FOR AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE BUDGETED. RIGHT.

AND THAT HAPPENS, BY THE WAY.

SEE, HE'S TALKING ABOUT THAT YELLOW LINE AREA.

THAT IS, A LOT OF THIS STUFF COMES FROM JOSHUA, THE WATER, YOU KNOW, WELL, THAT AREA, JOHNSON COUNTY COMES FROM THAT AREA.

IT'S, YOU DO THIS LONG ENOUGH.

AND WE, YOU KNOW, I'VE DONE COMMUNITY MEETINGS OUT IN NEIGHBORHOODS.

CHURCHES, BECAUSE YOU HAVE

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WELL, THAT'S MEANT TO BE PART OF A LONG-TERM MARCH TOWARD GETTING THE DOCUMENT.

BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO DISENFRANCHISE ANYBODY.

WE'VE GOT AN AWARD-WINNING GROUP HERE IN COMMUNITY SERVICES. WE RELY ON THEM HEAVILY. THEY'RE VERY CREATIVE IN GETTING THE WORD OUT, DEANNA'S GROUP. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO. SHE AND HER TEAM ARE BRILLIANT STRATEGISTS. THE PLANNER IS A LITTLE LESS SO.

AND WE'LL LOOK AT HOW WE CAN STRATEGIZE TO REACH AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN.

AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT COMMUNITY PARTNERS, LIKE THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE. THEY DON'T LIKE TO SHOW THEIR HAND AS TO WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A SCHOOL BECAUSE THE PRICE GOES UP FOR THE PROPERTY. AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO HAVE TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT THIS LAND USE PLAN IS NOT DONE ABSENT OF THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN.

THOSE TWO WORK HAND IN HAND, SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN TONIGHT, BUT WE. THEY'RE MARRIED, ESSENTIALLY. AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS WE'LL OVERLAY ONE OVER THE OTHER. AND YOU KNOW, YOU START INTEGRATING YOUR LAYERS IN GIS, AND YOU LOOK AT YOUR FLOODPLAIN AND ALL THAT STUFF. FACTORS WHEN WE'RE SITTING IN THE OFFICE, TALKING AS A GROUP, LIKE, IS THIS EVEN VIABLE? CAN THIS GO HERE? YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THE AREA? AND SO THAT HAPPENS. WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE OTHER PLANS. AND I THINK YOU MENTIONED PARKS. WHAT ARE THE PARKS MASTER PLANS? SO WE GOT TO TAKE ALL THE MASTER PLANS AND THIS BECOMES THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE DADDY OF THE MASTER PLANS. AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY ALL SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE PLANNING STAFF HAS TO DO.

BUT THIS STUFF WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS SMALL, LITTLE, ISOLATED POCKETS. YOU GOT A WHOLE BROADER DISCUSSION ABOUT JUST THE OVERALL UPDATE TO THE PLAN THAT WE DEFINITELY HAVE TO HAVE. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE DATA CENTER AREA THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT.

FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE, COST... BENEFIT. I MEAN, I'M JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, REVENUE THAT MIGHT COME IN THROUGH TAXES OR THINGS LIKE THAT. IT SEEMS LIKE THAT THAT AREA, IF YOU HAD DATA CENTERS THERE, THAT IT WOULD BE REAL POSITIVE FOR THE ECONOMY.

BUT I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE DATA CENTERS TAKE A LOT OF WATER. I MEAN, THEY CONSUME A LOT OF RESOURCES, CREATE A LOT OF HEAT. I MEAN, SO YOU'VE GOT ALL OF THOSE THINGS. TO CONSIDER IN THERE, TOO.

BUT COST BENEFIT FOR THE CITY, HOW DOES THAT LOOK? I THINK DATA CENTERS MAY BE OUR NEXT ITEM. THAT'S A PERFECT SEGUE. IF Y'ALL WANT TO TURN THE PAGE, WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT ITEM. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT DATA CENTERS. IF YOU'RE DONE WITH QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS. IF NOT, I'LL MOVE ON TO DATA CENTERS. JUST ONE MORE QUESTION, TONY. YOU WERE MENTIONING THE PLANS THAT THE CITY'S ALREADY PAID FOR. DO YOU... I MEAN, WHO WILL BE THE KEEPER OF THAT? WILL YOUR DEPARTMENT BE KEEPING UP WITH ALL OF THAT, OR HOW WILL THAT WORK? WELL, IT'S AN INTERPLAY BETWEEN ALL THE PLANS. WE ARE NOT THE KEEPER OF THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.

THAT'S THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.

SURE. THE THERAFAIR PLAN IS OURS. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS OURS. WHEN I SAY OURS, IT'S THE CITY'S, BUT IT'S DEVELOPMENT. SERVICES HAS TO CHARGE ON THOSE TWO MASTER PLAN DOCUMENTS. EVERY DAY THOSE PLANS WERE CONSULTED, AND SO WE MAKE SURE THAT AS WE UPDATE ONE, THE OTHER ONE IS NOT MATERIAL EFFECTED. MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH YOU SAID SOMETHING EARLIER ABOUT.

THAT CHART FROM THAT OTHER STATE, THAT.

THAT IF THE. THAT IS, IF THE COUNCIL OR THE CITY HAD PAID FOR A DOCUMENT OR A PLAN TO BE CREATED, THAT YOU WOULD. THERE WOULD BE A WAY TO VERIFY, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE NEXT STEP HAVE BEEN.

THAT'S WHAT I'M REFERRING TO.

SO WE HAVE ELEMENTS OF THE MIDPOINT PLAN THAT TOUCHES ON MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS, PARKS DEPARTMENT IS ONE. WHAT WE DO IS WE LOOK AT THE SPECIFIC GOAL THAT WE HAVE IN THE 2020 MIDPOINT UPDATE.

AND IT WAS AFFECTING THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. LET'S SAY THE PARKS DEPARTMENT IS EMBARKED ON A PLAN UPDATE. IF THAT GOAL IS REFLECTED IN THE MIDPOINT PLAN, WE WILL THEN UPDATE THE ADDENDUM TO REFLECT THAT. YOU WON'T GET THE SAME LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT YOU WILL GET IN THE ACTUAL PARKS MASTER PLAN. BUT IF YOU'RE JUST GOING TO LOOK AT ONE SOLE SOURCE DOCUMENT, YOU CAN SAY, OH, I CAN SEE THAT. THEY UPDATED THEIR MASTER PLAN IN PARKS NOW LET ME GO TO THE MASTER PLAN IN PARKS AND LOOK AT THE ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY'VE DONE.

SO IT'D BE A LITTLE BIT MORE

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BECAUSE IT'S UNIQUE IN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH IT. ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON 5A? DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT. ALL RIGHT. GO ON TO 5B. RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION, AND PROVIDE STAFF DIRECTION ON THE PROSPECTIVE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USE DISTRICT AND REGULATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH

[5.B. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction on a prospective heavy industrial use district and regulations associated with large-scale data centers and other high energy land uses. (Staff Contact: Tony D. McIlwain, Development Services Director)]

STAFF CONTACT IS TONY MCELWAIN, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, BECAUSE YOU ALL ASKED FOR IT. DATA CENTERS. I AM NOT A DATA CENTER EXPERT.

I'M NOT GOING TO PRETEND TO BE ONE TONIGHT, BUT COUNCIL MEMBER ADAM RUSSELL WANTED THIS DISCUSSION HAD AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL. AND SO I PUT ON A HARD HAT AND TRY TO COMPILE INFORMATION ABOUT DATA CENTERS. YOU MAY BE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT DATA CENTERS THAN I AM, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO GIVE US SOME OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE. SO FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW, DATA CENTERS ARE ESSENTIALLY FACILITIES THAT HOUSE NETWORK, COMPUTER SYSTEMS AND SUPPORTING EQUIPMENT USED FOR DATA STORAGE AND PROCESSING. HISTORICALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU GO BACK TO THE EARLY 1990S, THESE WERE LOCATED NEAR MAJOR FIBER ROUTES, RELIABLE POWER GRIDS, AND IN AREAS WITH AMPLE WATER SUPPLY. SO THE DEMAND FOR DATA INCREASES, IT INCREASES EVERY DAY. AND SO YOU HAVE THE ADVENT OF AI, CLOUD COMPUTING, AND WE IN TEXAS ARE SEEING FIRSTHAND HOW COMMUNITIES ARE GRAPPLING WITH ADDRESSING THESE USES.

BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING AWAY.

AND EVEN WITH QUANTUM COMPUTING, THAT IS BEING DISCUSSED WHERE YOU HAVE THE NEED FOR MAYBE LESS SPACE.

EVENTUALLY, SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE ROOM FOR ONE OF THESE IN A COMMUNITY NEAR THEM. WE TALKED ABOUT SEVERAL DIFFERENT CONSIDERATIONS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AND THIS IS THE EXACT PRESENTATION THAT WENT TO COUNCIL. BUT WE TALKED ABOUT ELECTRICITY CONSIDERATIONS.

THESE CENTERS RUN CONTINUOUSLY, CONSUME LARGE AMOUNTS OF ELECTRICITY. THE MAYOR WAS HERE EARLIER THAN I AND HE WERE TALKING ABOUT DATA CENTERS.

AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN ARTICLE THAT SOMEBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A TURBINE JET TO POWER DATA CENTERS THAT YOU WOULD TAKE FROM TYPICALLY MILITARY GRADE EQUIPMENT. AND IT'S GOT THE FIREPOWER TO KEEP IT GOING, BUT THE QUESTION IS, HOW DOES IT WORK, RIGHT? YOU GOT VERY SMART PEOPLE THAT TRY TO FIGURE THESE OUT. AND HOW DO YOU KEEP THE NOISE AT SUCH A LEVEL THAT YOU GET A DESIRED OUTCOME FROM ALL INVOLVED. BUT WHEN YOU HAVE THAT MUCH ELECTRICITY, YOU GOT WASTE HEAT THAT IS GENERATED AND THAT REQUIRES FANS, WHICH ALSO MAKE NOISE. SO YOU'VE SEEN ARTICLES, YOU KNOW, ALL OVER THE AREA WHERE PEOPLE HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT THIS LOW HUM. AND IT'S WAY OFF IN THE DISTANCE, BUT THEY CAN HEAR IT. AND IT'S A DATA CENTER, AND THAT'S REAL. THAT WAS A CONCERN. THERE ARE LAWSUITS, YOU KNOW, AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVEN WITH THE ELECTRICITY AND THE COOLING, THAT THE NOISE IS GENERATED FROM IT. AND, YOU KNOW, AS WE, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO UTILIZE THESE THINGS THAT I'M HOLDING UP, AND THE WORLD, AS WE KNOW IT, IS CHANGING. JOBS THAT EXIST NOW THAT DIDN'T EXIST 20 YEARS AGO. AND A LOT OF THOSE ARE TECHNOLOGY-DRIVEN JOBS THAT RELY ON THINGS

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AND THAT MARKET WILL CONTINUE TO FINE-TUNE ITSELF. ONE THING THAT WE KNOW IS THAT DATA CENTERS RIGHT NOW ARE A THING, PARTICULARLY HERE IN TEXAS. AS YOU ALL KNOW, ELECTRICITY TYPICALLY REQUIRES WATER, AND WE'VE SEEN RIGHT HERE IN BURLESON, WE'VE GOT A SMALL CRYPTO MINING OPERATION, AND IN JUST A FEW YEARS, IT'S BEEN UP THERE, THEY'VE HAD TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE OF JUST THE DEMAND. AND I WENT AND DID SOME RESEARCH, AND EL PASO HAS A META AI DATA CENTER.

AND THIS IS FROM JUST THE INFORMATION I GLEANED. THE CENTER'S WATER USAGE IS PROJECTED TO AMOUNT TO APPROXIMATELY 146 MILLION GALLONS IN ONE YEAR. THAT'S AT OPTIMAL PEAK OPERATING.

IT'S 400,000 GALLONS PER DAY.

NOW, WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT'S NOT... THE NUMBER ONE WATER USER IN THE EL PASO AREA.

I THINK THEY'RE RANKED LIKE NUMBER THREE WITH THE META AI. AND EL PASO IS NOT KNOWN FOR HAVING A LOT OF WATER. I DON'T THINK, BUT THERE'S AN AGREEMENT, THOUGH, THAT ALLOWS META TO USE UP TO 1.5 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY. YOU'VE GOT THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT BECAUSE YOU GOT THIS GIANT BUILDING.

BUT THESE THINGS TYPICALLY SELF-AUTOMATE AND RUN, SO YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE A LARGE DENSITY UPTICK WITH REGARD TO EMPLOYEES. I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE ON SITE, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE A BUSTLING OPERATION. YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF AUTOMATED SYSTEMS THAT TAKE PLACE AT THESE DATA CENTERS. WE TALKED ABOUT THE LOW HUM, NOISE. NUISANCE NOISE AFFECTS EVERYBODY, AFFECTS PEOPLE IN BURLESON NOW. WHETHER IT'S A RESTAURANT WITH LIVE ENTERTAINMENT OR A BARKING DOG, IT'S NUISANCE, NOISE. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS REAL. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW OUR CURRENT ORDINANCES STACK UP IF. A LARGE SCALE DATA CENTER SAID THEY WANTED TO COME TO BURLESON. I WOULD PROBABLY ARGUE, NOT VERY WELL, BECAUSE THE DEMANDS ARE SUCH THAT IT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE OF THE AMBIENT NATURE OF NOISE AS IT TRAVELS OUT IN THE OPEN. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GO TO A PROPERTY LINE AND HOLD YOUR NOISE METER AND GO, YEAH, THAT'S NUISANCE NOISE. YOU CAN HEAR IT AS A NUISANCE FOR MOST PEOPLE, EVEN IF IT'S NOT VERY LOUD.

SO PRESIDENT TRUMP ISSUED EXECUTIVE ORDER 14318. A CELLARING FEDERAL PERMITTING OF DATA CENTER INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THIS WAS WITH A NAME TO REDUCE PERMITTING DELAYS FOR LARGE-SCALE DATA CENTERS.

NOW, THIS IS AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. I SPEAK TO THIS BECAUSE IF IT'S AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, IT'S GOING TO PROBABLY BE AT THE STATE LEVEL. IT'S A TRICKLE-DOWN. AND SO, SURE ENOUGH, TEXAS SENATE BILL 6, WHICH IN THE INDUSTRY IS CALLED THE KILL SWITCH BILL, IMPOSES COSTS ON LARGE ENERGY USERS, THAT'S PEOPLE WHO ARE UTILIZING AND MORE THAN 75 MEGAWATTS OF ELECTRICITY. TO FUND INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES AND ENABLE REMOTE DISCONNECTION IN INSTANCES OF EMERGENCY. SO WHY DID THIS COME TO HAPPEN? IN THE FIRST BIG FREEZE, WE HAD GAS THAT WAS USING ALL THE ELECTRICITY, THE DATA CENTERS, AND WE WERE NOT EQUIPPED FOR THAT. AND THAT WAS A REALLY BAD THING. AND SO WHAT YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE NOW IS THEY HAVE TO PULL OFF OF THE GRID. AND REDUCE THEIR USAGE. WE JUST HAD A FREEZE HERE RECENTLY, RIGHT? AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS. I'M LIKE, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SOME YEARS NOW. BUT THE SENATE BILL REQUIRES THEM TO HAVE A SECONDARY SOURCE OF ENERGY PRODUCTION, BUT IT REQUIRES THEM TO PULL FROM THE MAIN GRID. AND SO THE STATE DOES WHAT'S CALLED A KILL SWITCH BILL. WE HAVE A FREEZE.

YOU'RE PULLING OFF THE GRID AND WE'RE GOING TO DIVERT THAT ELECTRICITY BACK TO REGULAR FOLK, NOT MEGA USERS. AND IT'S NOT JUST DATA CENTERS. IS ANYBODY USING 75 MEGAWATTS OR MORE? AND THIS IS EVOLVING. THERE ARE LOBBYISTS, THERE ARE VERY POWERFUL BUSINESSES, AND EVERY DAY THERE'S A NEW THING REGARDING DATA CENTERS. AND IT'S STAFF LEVELS TRYING TO JUST KIND OF TAKE A... LONG LENS VIEW ON HOW THAT AFFECTS BURLESON AND WHAT CAN BE DONE. ARE WE GOING TO BE REGULATED OR THE CITY'S REGULATED BY THE STATE ON WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO? VERY GOOD QUESTION. I ASKED, MR. ALLEN TAYLOR THAT BECAUSE TCEQ ACTUALLY HAS SOME ROLE IN DATA CENTERS, BUT. IT IS NOT CLEARLY DEFINED TO ME WHAT THAT ROLE IS. AND SO LATER ON THIS PRESENTATION,

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AND SO I THINK HOOD COUNTY MAY BE A CLIENT OF TOS'S, BUT THAT'S AN EXAMPLE THAT WE LOOK AT BECAUSE, AND THEY'RE SMART. THEY KNOW THAT IF YOU GO TO THE COUNTY, YOU HAVE LESS REGULATORY OVERSIGHT. SO YOUR LARGE CITIES, YOU'LL SEE THEM POP UP MORE, BUT IF YOU'RE SOMEBODY TRYING TO OPERATE A DATA CENTER, WHY ARE YOU GOING TO COME INTO BURLESON WHEN I CAN GO RIGHT INTO JOHNSON COUNTY, WHERE I HAVE LESS REGULATIONS? BUT IT MAY BE DESIRABLE FOR YOU TO BE IN BURLESON. AND SO WHAT WE WERE TASKED WITH IS, HOW DOES THAT LOOK? WHAT WILL WE DO? HOW DO WE RESPOND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE AHEAD OF THE GAME WHEN THAT INTEREST COMES? WE THINK THE INTEREST WILL COME. HOW DOES THAT LOOK? IS OUR CITY MEETING WITH? JOINTLY WITH ANY OF THE COUNTY WITH COUNTIES IN ORDER TO MAYBE HEAD OFF TO TO MAKE A PLAN? WE'VE NOT SET UP ANY MEETINGS OR THERE'S NOTHING ON A PLANNING HORIZON WITH STAFF WITH WITH JOHNSON COUNTY. WE DON'T EVER TRY TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY IN ORDER TO HEAD SOME OF THESE THINGS OFF? WELL, IF WE KNOW SOMETHING IS COMING, ABSOLUTELY.

BUT IF IT'S SQUARELY IN THE COUNTY, THAT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT THAT THE CITY IS INVOLVED IN. UNLESS WE THINK OF SOME RESIDUAL EFFECT THAT BLEEDS OVER INTO THE CITY LIMITS, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NOISE, THE COUNTY CAN'T...

BUT IF IT'S FOR THE INTEREST OF OUR CITIZENS, WOULDN'T IT BE PRUDENT FOR US TO MAYBE REACH OUT AND TRY TO HEAD SOME OF THE THINGS OFF? THAT WE MIGHT ANTICIPATE? IT'S GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE TO OUR RESIDENTS HERE IN BURLESON? IF SOMETHING REQUIRES A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT...

LET'S SAY, FOR INSTANCE, YOU HAD ANOTHER USE, AND THERE'S WATER DISCHARGE THAT FLOWS FROM THE CITY INTO THE COUNTY, OR VICE VERSA. YES, WE NEED TO DO THAT. NOISE BECOMES TRICKY. ELECTRICITY IS NOT THE CITY BECAUSE WE DON'T PROVIDE ELECTRICITY, OBVIOUSLY. AND SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE STAKEHOLDERS ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE USE. IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS A COUNTY USE, THAT'S THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S AUTHORITY. AND BURLESON REALLY DOESN'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY ON, OUTSIDE OF PLATTING, BURLESON DOESN'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO DIRECT THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON HOW TO MAKE A DECISION. AND VICE VERSA, IF IT'S IN THE CITY, THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO DIRECT. I WASN'T TRYING TO SAY DIRECT, I WAS JUST TRYING TO SAY COMMUNICATE. SURE. I WILL TELL YOU, DO WE TALK TO OUR COUNTERPARTS IN THE COUNTY? SURE. YOU KNOW, WE COMMISERATE ON A NUMBER OF THINGS, BUT THERE'S A CLEAR DELINEATION AS TO HOW... HOW INVOLVED WE COULD BE.

PLATTING, WE'RE VERY INVOLVED, BUT BEYOND THAT, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF RECOURSE FOR ME AND MY COUNTERPART IN JOHNSON COUNTY IF THE PROJECT'S IN JOHNSON COUNTY. IF I CAN JUST ADD, WE DO PARTICIPATE ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SIDE, WITH OUR REGIONAL AREA, COUNTY INCLUDED. A LOT OF TIMES WHEN THESE LARGE PROJECTS COME THROUGH, THEY'RE COMING THROUGH THE STATE'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM. AND THEY REQUIRE THAT COORDINATION WITH THE COUNTY AND WITH THE CITIES. WE PUT OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD TRYING TO GET THOSE LARGER PROJECTS HERE IN BURLESON, JUST AS JOHNSON COUNTY IS TRYING TO GET THEM INTO THE COUNTY. SO WE DO HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM IN THAT WAY. WE JUST, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE FOR A DATA CENTER POP UP.

BUT WE DO HAVE THOSE. MEETINGS AND COMMUNICATIONS WITH OUR COUNTERPARTS IN THE COUNTY FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES ON THESE LARGE-SCALE PROJECTS. I WILL TALK VERY SPECIFICALLY, THOUGH, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, ABOUT SORT OF THE CITY'S ROLE IN THIS PRESENTATION, THOUGH.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW, THERE'S A SMALL BITCOIN MINING OPERATION ON CENTER DRIVE, AND IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED INDUSTRIAL.

AND THE CITY APPROVED THE SITE PLAN FOR THAT ON SEPTEMBER 16, 2019. IT'S ALTA VISTA, THAT'S WHAT WE CALL THE SITE PLAN INTERNALLY. AND SO THIS IS

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FROM THE OUTSIDE, IT LOOKS LIKE ANY SMALL-SCALE OPERATION.

BUT IN THAT SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, THE DEMAND IS SUCH.

THEY'VE ALREADY ADDED AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO HOUSE THE EQUIPMENT. A COOLING TOWER HAS BEEN ADDED BECAUSE OF THE ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT.

AN ELECTRICAL TRANSFORMER HAS BEEN UPGRADED, AND THAT IS A SMALL BITCOIN MINING OPERATION.

AND IN JUST A HANDFUL OF YEARS, THEY'VE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT THE YEAR-BY-YEAR CHANGE ON THE AERIAL MAP, AND HERE COMES THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, HERE COMES THE COOLING TOWER, AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE YOU'VE HAD YOUR THRESHOLDS HIT, WHERE THEY'VE HAD TO MAKE UPGRADES. AND THEY WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO CONTINUE TO MAKE UPGRADES UNTIL TECHNOLOGY CHANGES, AND A LOT OF TIMES, WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN IS MORE LAND HAS TO BE ACQUIRED BECAUSE YOU RUN OUT OF SPACE. AND THAT'S JUST ONE SMALL BITCOIN MINING OPERATION. THAT'S THE STREET VIEW. VERY, NOTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY WITH THIS.

ACTUALLY, NICE LANDSCAPING.

TREES, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING LOOKS NICE.

BUT IF YOU LOOK IN THE UPPER RIGHT SIDE, THAT STRUCTURE WITH THE PEAK IN IT IS ACTUALLY A... IT'S A... IT'S ALMOST LIKE A CARPORT BUILDING, AND WHAT YOU HAVE IS A CONNEX BUILDING UNDERNEATH IT, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU KEEP THE EQUIPMENT. AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE EXPANSIONS THEY'VE HAD TO DO TO THAT SITE SINCE THE SITE PLAN WAS APPROVED. THE COUNCIL WANTED TO KNOW WHAT COULD WE DO AS A CITY IF A DATA CENTER APPROACHED US. SO RIGHT NOW, THE CODE OF ORDINANCES DOES NOT DEFINE DATA CENTER, CRYPTOCURRENCY MINING. NONE OF THOSE TERMS ARE CONTEMPLATED OR DISCUSSED, AND THAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED. THE CITY MUST DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE BY RIGHT ZONING DISTRICT FOR THIS TYPE OF USE. IS IT COMMERCIAL, IS IT INDUSTRIAL, OR A NEW HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ENERGY DISTRICT? STAFF AT THE TIME... RECOMMENDED THAT A NEW ZONING DISTRICT BE CREATED TO INCLUDE USES SUCH AS WIND AND SOLAR FARMS, POWER PLANTS, NUCLEAR ENERGY OPERATIONS, LARGE-SCALE DATA CENTERS, ETC. BECAUSE THESE ARE REAL USES, AND IT'S NOTHING PROHIBITING THESE USES FROM COMING TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OR CITY COUNCIL FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TO BE DEVELOPED IN THE CITY.

AND WE HAVE WORKED ON TWO DIFFERENT ORDINANCES.

ONE IS CALLED HIGH ENERGY USE DISTRICT, AND THE OTHER ONE IS HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USE DISTRICT. AND WE'RE GOING TO MEET WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE EITHER TOMORROW OR THURSDAY TO TALK ABOUT HOW DOES THAT LOOK.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MR. HRABISKY AND MR. ALLEN TAYLOR IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS. CAN WE MARRY THESE TWO DIFFERENT PROSPECTIVE DRAFT ZONING DISTRICTS SO THAT IT MAKES SENSE? WE HAVE LOOKED AT A LOT OF OTHER COMMUNITIES ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND HOW THEY'VE TREATED THESE TYPES OF USES.

BECAUSE WHILE IT MAY BE NEW TO US, IT'S NOT NEW TO THEM.

AND SO THERE'S SOME LESSONS THAT THEY'VE LEARNED THAT WE CAN INCORPORATE. AND THE REAL QUESTION IS, IS IT BENEFICIAL TO ESTABLISH EASY USES PRIOR TO RECEIPT OF A DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION? I THINK THE COUNCIL, UNILATERALLY, I MEAN AS TO A SINGLE PERSON, SAID, ABSOLUTELY. YOU NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING ON THE BOOK SO THAT WE'RE PREPARED AND NOT CAUGHT UNPREPARED. AND JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, COUNCIL RESERVES THE RIGHT TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE AN APPLICATION.

AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE CASES WHERE WE PUT IN A NEW ZONING DISTRICT BUT NOT PUT IT ON A MAP ANYWHERE. YOU HAVE TO ASK FOR IT. IT'S ON THE BOOKS, BUT NOT ON A MAP. SO THERE WILL BE NOTHING ZONED FOR THIS. YOU HAVE TO COME IN AND GO, HEY, I WANT TO PUT THIS IN. AND THEN WE'LL LOOK AT THE APPROPRIATENESS OF WHERE THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THE CITY, PROBABLY ALONG I-35, BRING IT TO YOU, AND YOU CAN MULL OVER WHETHER OR NOT YOU THINK IS A GOOD USE FOR THE PROPERTY, AND THEN GO ON TO COUNCIL. BUT YOU WON'T HAVE THAT SITUATION WHERE WE, HERE'S AN OZONE DISTRICT, PUT IT ON A FUTURE LAND USE MAP. WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS. PART OF WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE. IS WE'VE IMPLEMENTED, AT LEAST IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF BUILDING HEIGHT, LANDSCAPE, BUFFERS, SETBACKS, SCREENING,

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JUST SOME FACTORS THAT I'VE SEEN OTHER COMMUNITIES AND LITERATURE ADVISE CITIES TO LOOK AT. IS IT APPROPRIATE TO CITE IT WHERE IT'S BEING REQUESTED? WHAT ARE THE DEMANDS? YOU CAN ASK THOSE QUESTIONS REGARDING WATER AND ELECTRICITY. HOW BIG IS TOO BIG? YOU KNOW, IF YOU GET A HYPERSCALE SIZE DATA CENTER THAT IS HUMONGOUS, DOES THAT EVEN MAKE SENSE IN THE AREA IN WHICH IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO? WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF GLARE, BUFFERING, AND SCREENING? WHAT ARE YOU, MR. APPLICANT, GOING TO DO TO MAKE US FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH YOUR APPLICATION? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MITIGATE AMBIENT NOISE? WHAT'S ACCOUNTING FOR THE NOISE, AND HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MITIGATE IT? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO TEST IT? WHAT IS YOUR PLAN FOR THAT? AND IF THIS IS GOING TO BE, I THINK ALL DATA SHOULD BE SECURE DATA, BUT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO FOR SAFETY, SECURITY MEASURES, FOR UPGRADES? THEY MAY SAY, I WANT AN EIGHT-FOOT-TALL...

FENCE WRAPPED WITH CONCERTINA WIRE. THAT MAY BE VERY UNATTRACTIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU DO FOR ENHANCED SAFETY MEASURES AROUND THESE FACILITIES? THAT'S THINGS THAT YOU KNOW.

THESE ARE QUESTIONS WE CAN ASK.

SO, UH, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR ASKS, WHAT CAN WE DO, RIGHT? SO WHAT CAN THE CITY LEGALLY REGULATE? AS IT STANDS, THE CITY IS NOT PREEMPTED IN ITS ABILITY TO REGULATE THESE TYPES OF LAND USES VIA ZONING. SO THE STATE HAS NOT COME IN AND SAID, BURLESON, IT'S WHAT WE SAY, NOT WHAT YOU SAY. WE STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL THESE USERS WHERE THEY CAN GO. THE CITY CAN USE THIS DISCRETION IN THE APPLICATION OF ENHANCED STANDARDS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, YES, WE HAVE A PROPOSED ZONING DISTRICT, BUT SHOULD THAT PARTICULAR USE ALSO REQUIRE A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT? SHOULD THAT USE? REQUIRE A PLANT DEVELOPMENT? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO ENHANCE SOME OF THE FEATURES ON THE SITE TO MITIGATE SOME OF OUR CONCERNS? A LOT OF TIMES, THE BASELINE ZONING WON'T GET YOU THERE, AND SO THAT'S A GOOD VEHICLE WHERE YOU LOOK AT AN SEP OR PLANT DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE DRAFTING AN ORDINANCE THAT'S GOING TO COME BEFORE YOU, AND IT'S GOING TO BE, ARE WE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN? ARE WE USING ALL THE TOOLS IN OUR TOOLBOX TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET QUESTIONS ANSWERED? BECAUSE THE DATA CENTER MAY BE CLOSE TO YOU, AND YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN THAT IMPORTANT SEAT OF MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL, DO I HAVE ALL THE QUESTIONS ANSWERED? DO I HAVE CONCERNS? HAS THIS APPLICANT MADE SURE THAT THEY'VE...

ADDRESS THOSE, AND THEN YOU CAN, YOU CAN RENDER A RECOMMENDATION. AND WE TALKED ABOUT ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY.

AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO STRAY INTO LEGAL.

BUT YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ASK IS AT LEAST ROUGHLY EQUAL TO THE REASON FOR IT. I MEAN, YOU DON'T WANT TO SAY, HEY, WE WANT YOU TO HAVE A ONE-MILE BUFFER BETWEEN YOU, THE NEXT PROPERTY. WELL, IS THAT REASONABLE, YOU KNOW? IT'S THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE MAKES SENSE FOR ALL INVOLVED. IF BY THE TIME WE HAPPEN TO MAYBE HAVE AN APPLICATION TO PUT ONE OF THESE IN, OTHER CITIES HAVE FOUND OUT THERE ARE MORE PROBLEMS THAN WHAT THEY'RE WORTH, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO JUST SAY, NO, WE DON'T WANT YOU IN OUR AREA, OR IS THERE LEGISLATION ON THAT? SO. AND MATT, I KNOW THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, AND I'LL DEFER TO MATT.

BECAUSE THERE'S ANY AMOUNT OF CASE LAW OUT THERE WHERE YOU TRY TO JUST OUTLAW SOMETHING ON HIS FACE. NO, WE DON'T WANT IT. AND THAT'S TYPICALLY NOT HOW IT WORKS. YOU HAVE TO COME TO A CONCLUSION ROOTED IN SOME PLANNING DOCUMENT, SOME RATIONALE IN YOUR ZONING CODE, WHY IT MAY NOT BE A GOOD FIT FOR WHERE IT'S BEING PROPOSED.

THE NOTION OF SAYING YOU JUST CAN'T HAVE THAT IN THE CITY PERIOD IS PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO STAND UP IN COURT. AND NOW MATT CAN SPEAK MORE TO THAT.

TONY, YOU'VE MENTIONED TO ME BEFORE ABOUT TRAINING THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE. THIS LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF NEW THINGS

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IT'S... I THINK THAT THERE'S A GREAT AMOUNT OF ARTICLES JUST HERE IN THE DALLAS NEWSPAPER OR OTHER NEWSPAPERS THAT SPEAK TO SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT SOME OF THE COMMUNITIES ARE HAVING WITH DATA CENTERS. I'M NOT DEMONIZING THEM. DON'T GET ME WRONG, BUT COMMUNITIES ARE OFTEN UNPREPARED AND THEY ARE COMPLEX.

BUT I THINK OUR ROLE IS NOT TO BE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS ON DATA CENTERS, BUT TO BE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS ON HOW OUR CODE WORKS. AND THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE ZONING DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE.

BECAUSE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A LARGE BUILDING WITH SOME OFFSITE EFFECTS THAT CAN BE EXPERIENCED BY ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.

TO ME, DATA CENTERS ARE VERY UNAPPEALING, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN'T REALLY JUST SAY, NO, WE CAN'T, WE WON'T ALLOW YOU TO BE HERE. SO, BUT I THINK IN ORDER TO GET AHEAD, I DO 100% AGREE. WITH THAT, WE PROBABLY DO NEED A NEW ZONING DISTRICT AND, LIKE YOU SAID, NOT HAVE IT, NOT LIKE REZONED THINGS ALONG THE I-35 CORRIDOR TO MEET THAT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ENERGY DISTRICT. JUST KIND OF HAVE IT TO WHERE THEY ASK FOR IT. I, I 100% STAND BEHIND THAT. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO AND NOT INCORPORATE IT INTO LIKE INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL ZONING HERE IN THE CITY. AND LAST THING WE WANT IS. TO HAVE ONE JUST RANDOMLY POP UP AND BE LIKE, WELL, YOU ALLOW IT BY, RIGHT. WELL, NO ONE REALLY WANTS TO SEE THAT. AND ALSO, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE...

FOR DATA CENTERS, THEY ARE LIKE ENERGY HOGS, AND THEY CONSUME A LOT OF WATER. SO IF THEY'RE ALONG THE I-35 CORRIDOR, HOW DO WE EVEN KNOW IF, LIKE, BURLESON OR EVEN BETHESDA EVEN HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO EVEN SUPPORT SOMETHING OF LARGE SCALE? WE HAVE TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE ANSWERS TO YOU. AND SO WITH ANY DEVELOPMENT, IT'S A CAPACITY ISSUE. HOW MUCH WATER DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO NEED? CAN WE PROVIDE THAT? ARE YOU TAKING SO MUCH OF THIS? RESOURCE THAT IT DEPLETES ANY OTHER OPTIONS FOR ANY OTHER BUSINESS.

ELECTRICITY IS THE SAME. AND SO I THINK WHEN THE BITCOIN MINING OPERATION CAME THROUGH IN 19, I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE TAPE AND STAFF DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS IT. THEY DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO TREAT THEM. SO THEY STUCK THEM IN INDUSTRIAL.

LUCKILY, THAT'S WHAT HE WANTED TO BE. BUT. THOSE ARE QUESTIONS THAT WE ASKED INTERNALLY, AND WE ARE STILL REQUIRED TO MAKE SURE THAT WITH ANY DEVELOPMENT, WHAT ARE THE IMPACTS? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO IN TERMS OF IT? ELECTRICITY. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO IN TERMS OF WATER? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE AT THAT SCALE TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT, OR DO YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING OF A SMALLER SCALE? A LOT OF THESE AREAS, BURLESON IS NOT THE WATER PROVIDER, SO IF IT'S ANOTHER ENTITY, THEY HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION. THEY CAN SAY, WE CAN'T PROVIDE WATER TO YOU AT THAT SCALE. YOU SAW THE EL PASO EXAMPLE. MOST OF THESE CENTERS WANT AN AGREEMENT, CONCRETE, THAT IS IRONCLAD. AND IF WE CAN'T MAKE THAT HAPPEN, IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS AS TO WE CAN'T GIVE YOU THAT MUCH.

IT'S GOING TO NOT BE CONGRUENT. WITH OTHER DECISIONS WE'VE MADE, AND THOSE ARE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO GET ANSWERS TO. TONY, I WAS GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT. YOU KNOW, AS THINGS DEVELOP WITH OTHER CITIES, AND WE DO, AND WE WATCH HOW THEY HANDLE THINGS WITH THESE CENTERS. I

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THE BIGGEST THING I'VE HEARD IS THE NOISE. I THINK... THAT'S WHAT I KEEP HEARING. IT'S NOT TRAFFIC. WELL, I'LL TELL YOU, I WILL SAY THIS. AS YOU SWITCH EQUIPMENT OUT, LARGE TRUCKS HAVE TO RUMBLE IN AND OUT.

BUT THESE USES ARE DIFFERENT.

YOU GET A SOLAR FARM, NOT SO MUCH. BUT AS THIS DATA CENTER EQUIPMENT HAS TO BE REPLACED, THAT COMES ON HEAVY TRAFFIC. AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS, PARTICULARLY ON RURAL ROADS THAT ARE OUT IN THE COUNTY. THE NOISE IF YOU'RE MORE IN TOWN. I'VE NOT SEEN A LOT WITH REGARD TO LIGHTS BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S EASILY ADDRESSED.

WATER IS ALWAYS A CONCERN. AND MOST OF THE TIME, THEY WANT AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE WITH YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT ARE ENTITLED TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WATER.

AND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT, BECAUSE THEN YOU DON'T WANT TO, THAT'S GREAT, YOU'VE GOT A DATA CENTER IN YOUR TOWN, IT'S A GREAT CAPITAL INVESTMENT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF RESIDUAL BENEFIT FROM JOB CREATION, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE COMMERCIALS SAY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT. SOME ARE SMALLER IN SCALE AND WON'T HAVE THE SAME IMPACT. SO MY...

YOU'VE BEEN ASKING QUESTIONS, BUT JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, WE HAVE COMPLETED A HIGH ENERGY USE ZONING DISTRICT AND A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USE ZONING DISTRICT.

WE DON'T THINK WE NEED BOTH.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT COMBINING THOSE AND KIND OF SPLITTING UP THE USE CATEGORIES. WELL, THIS IS ALLOWED BY, RIGHT, BUT THESE REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE SOME SPECIAL. PERMISSION.

THESE REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE SOME HEIGHTENED OR ENHANCED PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, AND THEY'LL BE SEPARATE FROM THE OTHER USES. WHAT YOU COULD SAY YES TO. YOU'RE DOING MANUFACTURING, KNOCK YOURSELF OUT, BUT IF YOU'RE DOING THESE HIGH-ENERGY USES, YOU GOT TO DO A, B, C, AND D. AND THEN THAT'LL PUT THEM ON NOTICE THAT THEY CAN'T JUST COME IN WITH A BASIC APPLICATION TO YOU OR THE COUNCIL. AND SO WE'RE VETTING THAT. AND AS SOON AS WE GET THE GREEN LIGHT FROM CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, ONCE TOAST HAS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK IT OVER, MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT USURPING SOMEONE'S RIGHT. WE'LL BRING THAT FORWARD FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. I THINK THE COUNCIL WANTS THIS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, SO WE'VE KIND OF MADE IT A HOT POTATO IN THE OFFICE TO GET IT COMPLETED. WE'LL GET IT BACK BEFORE YOU HERE, IN SHORT ORDER. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? WE'VE GOT ONE MORE ITEM TO COVER. IF YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION ON DATA CENTERS, I THINK I CAN EMAIL YOU SOME TEXAS-CENTRIC STUFF REGARDING DATA CENTERS. I DIDN'T PROVIDE THAT TONIGHT, BUT I HAD AN ATTACHMENT THAT WENT TO THE COUNCIL. IT GIVES YOU SPECIFIC TEXAS NUMBERS ABOUT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF DATA CENTERS AND WHAT'S GOING ON. I CAN EMAIL TO YOU ALL, OR PEGGY CAN EMAIL TO YOU ALL JUST SO YOU CAN HAVE IT.

YEAH, PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. ANY

[5.C. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction regarding accessory dwelling units, drive-through design and stacking requirements, and vehicle parking regulations. (Staff Contact: Tony McIlwain, AICP, CFM, Development Services Director)]

ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO 5C.

RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION, AND PROVIDE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING ACCESSORY, DWELLING UNITS, DRIVE-THROUGH DESIGN, AND STACKING REQUIREMENTS, AND VEHICLE PARKING REGULATIONS. STAFF CONTACTS TONY MCELWAIN, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR.

I GUESS THIS MEETING MAKES UP ALL THE SHORT MEETINGS WE'VE HAD, MY APOLOGIES, I'LL SPEAK FASTER. SO, BACK ON AUGUST 20TH OF LAST YEAR, THE PLANNING STAFF MADE A PRESENTATION TO THE IND COMMITTEE ON SEVERAL TOPICS.

AND THIS IS PART OF A SPINOFF FROM A PREVIOUS PRESENTATION WE HAD GIVEN TO FULL COUNCIL.

BUT WE CAME BACK TO THE COMMITTEE ON NOVEMBER 5TH BECAUSE THEY GAVE US SOME CLEAR DIRECTION ON WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE.

AND WE FOCUSED IN ON SMALLER, BITE-SIZED THINGS FOR THEM TO CONSIDER. PARKING REGULATIONS, STACKING AND QUEUING, I'LL GIVE YOU CHICK-FIL-A IN ALMOST ANY CITY. AND ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, THE BLESSING OR THE CURSE, DEPENDING ON YOUR PERSPECTIVE. AND THIS PRESENTATION IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE GAVE THE IND COMMITTEE TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK. AND THAT WAS GIVEN TO THEM ON DECEMBER 15TH. SO IT JUST GIVES YOU SOME... WE WORKED THESE THINGS THROUGH FOR SEVERAL MONTHS WITH THE COMMITTEE, AND WE DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO GIVE YOU NO TIME TO ALSO TALK ABOUT IT, BECAUSE THEY WERE ABLE TO FINE-TUNE IT, AND WE'RE BRINGING IT FORWARD TO YOU TONIGHT. SO ACCESSORY

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SO THESE ARE THE REGULATIONS WE TOOK TO THE IMD COMMITTEE, WHAT THEY FELT COMFORTABLE WITH FORWARDING ON TO YOU, AND I'LL LET YOU TAKE A MOMENT TO LOOK AT THOSE, BUT VERY ROBUST DISCUSSION ON ALL OF THOSE, BECAUSE AS IT RELATES TO NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER FIVE, WE PROCESS SHORT-TERM RENTALS ALL THE TIME, EMILIO HANDLES THAT FOR THE DEPARTMENT, ALONG WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE.

AND THERE'S THIS PHILOSOPHICAL DISCUSSION ON IF YOU HAVE ADU, CAN YOU RENT IT? OR SHOULD IT BE THE SOLE DOMAIN OF THE PROPERTY OWNER? AND THE IND COMMITTEE SAID IT NEEDS TO BE THE PROPERTY OWNER. I DON'T KNOW HOW LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE THAT IS, BUT THAT IS WHAT IS IN THE... REGULATIONS NOW. WE CAN PUT IT ON THE BOOKS. THE REALITY IS, CAN WE NOT PROVE THAT YOU HAVE A PROPERTY ON IT? I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO UNDERTAKE THAT EFFORT, BUT IT'S ON THE BOOKS AND WE CAN JUST TELL THEM. IT'S FOR, I SAY, PROPERTY OWNER, MEANING IT'S PROPERTY OWNER OR FAMILY.

ON NUMBER THREE, THE 900 SQUARE FEET, WHICHEVER SMALLER OF THE GFA, ISN'T THAT GOING TO RUN YOU MAYBE A CONFLICT WITH THE STATE SIZE ZONING? WELL, I DON'T THINK SO, BECAUSE THE WAY WE HAVE IT WRITTEN IS WE DON'T WANT ANY ADU LARGER THAN 900 SQUARE FEET. AND SO IF YOU HAVE A LARGE LOT, LET'S SAY A LARGE LOT IN A LARGE HOUSE, IF YOU SAY, HEY, HALF OF MY HOUSE IS GREATER THAN 900 SQUARE FEET, WE STILL ARE GOING TO TAKE YOU BACK DOWN TO THE LESSER 900 SQUARE FEET.

IS THAT FAIR? SO THEY'RE ZONED ON A FIVE-ACRE LOT. RIGHT. AND THEY'VE GOT A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE. THERE'S MORE THAN ENOUGH ROOM TO PUT MORE THAN 900 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE FOR A MOTHER-IN-LAW HOUSE.

SURE. SO THIS IS EXACTLY WHY WE HAVE THESE TYPES OF DISCUSSIONS. THE IND THOUGHT IT WAS FAIR. YOU MAY THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO BE JUST ONE HALF, 900 SQUARE FEET OR ONE HALF, OR YOUR DISCUSSION MAY BE THAT YOU RECOMMEND THAT IT'S MORE FLEXIBILITY. IF YOU HAVE A LARGE LOT, ABSOLUTELY, YOU HAVE MORE SPACE, YOU HAVE A LARGER BUILDABLE ENVELOPE, AND LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A VERY LARGE HOUSE. LET'S SAY I'LL GIVE YOU 10 TERRESTATES, YOU KNOW, LARGER LOTS, TYPICALLY LARGER HOMES.

CAN I ENVISION SOMEONE WITH A UNIT LARGER THAN NINE? ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY. SO THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE IF YOU SAY, HEY, WE THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME FLEXIBILITY, THAT'S THE FEEDBACK I NEED TO RECEIVE TONIGHT AS A BODY.

SO I CAN TAKE THAT FORWARD FOR MORE DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNCIL. WELL, WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT. THE SITUATION IS YOU CAN HAVE A BIG HOUSE ON A SMALL LOT OR A SMALL HOUSE ON A BIG LOT, WHICH IS GREAT, RIGHT? BUT WHAT WILL ULTIMATELY END UP HAPPENING IS YOU'RE GOING TO END UP ENCROACHING IN A SETBACK OR SOMETHING WHERE YOU'RE JUST NOT GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR IT TO FIT. SO THE MORE LIKELY SCENARIO IS A PERSON WITH A LARGER LOT THAN A SMALLER LOT.

AND I THINK IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE PREDICATED ON THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING UNIT AS WHAT YOU MAKE THE BASIS ON. AND IF YOU SAY NO GREATER THAN ONE HALF THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING UNIT, THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES, YOU STILL HAVE TO MEET THE OTHER PROVISIONS OF THE CODE. SO, LET'S TAKE COMMISSIONER HATLEY'S CONCERN.

I WANT TO DO SOMETHING GREATER THAN 900 SQUARE FEET. I HAVE A BIGGER LOT. I HAVE A BIGGER HOUSE. THESE STANDARDS DON'T ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT. SO THE

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FOR INSTANCE, I GOT A FIVE ACRE LOT, BUT MY HOUSE IS 1,800 SQUARE FEET. HALF OF 1,800 IS 900. SO YOU'RE RIGHT THERE, RIGHT? BUT YOU'VE GOT ALL THIS SPACE, BUT YOU'VE SATISFIED THE CODE.

NOW, IF I FLIP THAT AND I SAY YOU'VE GOT A 15,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT AND A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, DEPENDING ON HOW IT'S CONFIGURED, YOU MAY NOT EVEN HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR AN ADU. THAT'S EVEN 900 SQUARE FEET. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT ELSE YOU HAVE ON THE PROPERTY. BUT YOU'VE GOT A STATE-SIZED LOT ALREADY PRE-PLANNED IN BOTH TALLGRASS AND CHISHOLM SUMMIT. SO, TO ME, IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO DOWN THE DIRECTION OF ONE HALF THE GFA, THAT SEEMS TO HAVE EITHER GFA AND LOT SIZE AS A CONSIDERATION. BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE ESTATE LOTS IN CHISHOLM SUMMIT ARE FIVE ACRES.

AND IF YOU WANTED TO PUT A MOTHER-IN-LAW HOUSE IN THERE FOR A 1,500 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE FOR HER TO LIVE IN, I THINK THEY OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND I'M HERE JUST TO GET FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION OF THE P.I. I'LL TAKE THAT FORWARD. YES, SIR. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID IS THE APPEARANCE OF TWO PRIMARY STRUCTURES ON ONE LOT. AND YOU SEE THAT RIGHT NOW IN BURLESON, WHERE YOU MAY HAVE A HOUSE, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER HOUSE.

PROBABLY WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY, BUT YOU ESSENTIALLY HAVE THE LOOK OF TWO... VERY EQUITABLY SIZED HOMES ON ONE LOT. AND YOU MAY HAVE A LARGE LOT. I MEAN, IT MAY WORK JUST FINE, RIGHT? IT MAY WORK JUST FINE. BUT THE IMPACT IS THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, WELL, NOT IMPACT. THE THOUGHT IS IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ACCESSORY. AND SO IF YOU'RE IN, I THINK. PORTLAND, OREGON, ROLLED OUT TWO-FAMILY ZONING TO REPLACE ALL THEIR SINGLE-FAMILY ZONING, AND UP COMES A SECOND HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY, WELL, YOU'VE GOT CARRYING CAPACITY CONCERNS, AND YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY DOUBLING THE DENSITY OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IF EVERYBODY'S ALLOWED TO DO THAT. AND THE THOUGHT BEHIND THIS WAS, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SECONDARY.

A SECONDARY STRUCTURE TO THE MAIN HOUSE. NOW, HOW WE DEFINE THAT IN TERMS OF SIZE IS UP FOR DISCUSSION, I WILL ADMIT.

BUT IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH A RECOMMENDATION THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME FLEXIBILITY, WE'LL TAKE THAT FORWARD TO THE COUNCIL. WHAT WAS THE IMPETUS TO THE CITY TO WANT TO MAKE THESE RULES? IN A WAY, IT FEELS LIKE AN OVERREACH. LIKE, I MEAN, I HAVE THE PRIVATE PROPERTY.

MAYBE I HAVE THE FIVE-ACRE LOT, AND IT'S MY PROPERTY. AND, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT I WANTED TO. AND NOW, THE CITY SAYS. OH, I CAN ONLY DO A 900-SQUARE-FOOT HOUSE HERE. WELL, WE SPEND ALL NIGHT THINKING ABOUT HOW TO BE DEVIOUS AND DEVILISH, TOO. NO, WE GET REQUESTS FREQUENTLY ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THESE ARE ALLOWED, AND YOU TECHNICALLY CAN DO THEM, BUT THE WAY OUR CODE IS WRITTEN IS, IT ALMOST SPEAKS TO YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT FOR SOME OTHER TYPE OF USE.

WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS THAT WERE COMING IN, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THE PLANNING LITERATURE ABOUT PEOPLE, IT'S AN AFFORDABILITY ISSUE IN SOME CASES. AND SO IF YOU HAVE AN ADULT CHILD THAT YOU DON'T WANT IN THE HOUSE WITH YOU, BUT YOU WANT TO HAVE THE ABILITY OR AN AGING PARENT, WE WERE TRYING TO, I THINK IT WAS. COUNCIL MEMBER SCOTT CHALLENGED US ON HOW ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS THE AFFORDABILITY ISSUE. AND WHY ARE WE NOT PROMOTING THE ABILITY TO PUT IN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS TO HELP OUT FAMILIES THAT CAN'T AFFORD A HOUSE? OR YOU HAVE AN AGING PARENT OR IN-LAW THAT WANTS SOME DEGREE OF INDEPENDENCE, BUT YOU WANT THEM IN A POSITION WHERE YOU CAN GET TO THEM PRETTY QUICKLY. AND SO A LOT OF HIS RESEARCH INTO THE MATTER LED TO A BROADER DISCUSSION AND COUNCIL BRIEFING. AND WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IS FINE-TUNE WHAT IS AN ADU AND HOW DOES IT WORK. AND SO TO THE EXTENT THAT... YOU

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BECAUSE IF THIS GOES FORWARD, I DON'T WANT THE COUNCIL GOING ONE WAY. YOU'RE GOING, THERE'S NO SYNERGY, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THESE APPLICATIONS AS THEY COME FORWARD. AND THE WHOLE POINT IS THAT THESE ARE. JUST ALLOW. SO ONCE WE GET THE BASELINE STANDARDS, THEY DON'T COME BEFORE YOU. IT'S JUST, HEY, I WANT TO PUT IN AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.

HERE'S MY APPLICATION FOR A BUILDING PERMIT. GREAT.

YOU'RE DONE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET ANY KIND OF SPECIAL PERMISSION. WHY CAN YOU POSSIBLY DO A TWO-FOLD REGULATION? ONE THAT SAYS FOR SF-15S THAT IT'S 900 SQUARE FEET OR SMALLER. BUT FOR ANYTHING OVER SF 15, IT'S 900 SQUARE FEET, OR ONE HALF THE EFA, WHICHEVER IS LARGER. YEAH, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DO THAT. YOU CAN HAVE A BREAKDOWN BASED ON, AGAIN, YOU BREAK IT DOWN BASED ON A LOT OF SIZES. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE HOME SIZE WILL BE. I WILL TELL YOU THAT IF YOU WANT TO, JUST SAY NO GREATER THAN HALF THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE. AND YOU WANT TO THROW OUT THE 900 SQUARE FEET? NO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT.

SURE. I'M SAYING, LEAVE IT THE WAY YOU GOT FOR EVERYTHING. THAT'S UP TO SF-15, THE 15,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT. SF-6, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, YES. ANYTHING OVER SF-15 IS 900 SQUARE FEET, OR GFA PRIMARY DWELLING, WHICHEVER IS ONE HALF, WHICHEVER IS LARGER. WE CAN DO THAT. THAT'S EASY. THAT WAY, THOSE WITH THE FIVE-ACRE LOTS CAN PUT IN A 1,500-SQUARE-FOOT. SURE.

AND YOU'VE GOT MORE SIDING.

OBVIOUSLY, THE BIGGER LOT, YOU'VE GOT MORE ABILITY TO SPACE IT OUT. THAT'S UNDERSTOOD. I MEAN, I'M THINKING, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHERE AARON DACUS LIVES DOWN OFF 1020? YEAH. YOU'D HAVE A HARD TIME TELLING HIM THAT HE CAN'T HAVE A MOTHER-IN-LAW HOUSE. THAT'S A 01,500-SQUARE-FOOT HOUSE. IT'S A VERY LARGE, BEAUTIFUL, ORNATE HOUSE, FOR SURE. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. Y'ALL KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? YEAH.

SO, IF YOU'RE ALL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TAKE FORWARD. I THINK THAT'S SIMPLE ENOUGH TO PUT IN THAT SLIDING SCALE, BASICALLY. I LOVE HOW WE NORMALLY ARE, LIKE, WE DON'T LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, LIKE, HYPOTHETICALLY, BUT TONIGHT'S FULL OF HYPOTHETICALS. SO IF SOMEONE WERE TO, OH LORD, IF SOMEONE WERE TO BUILD A HOUSE THAT HAS A DOG RUN? AND THEN THE ACCESSIBLE, LIKE ANOTHER ACCESSIBLE UNIT, WOULD THE LANGUAGE TECHNICALLY CHANGE BECAUSE IT IS TECHNICALLY CONNECTED VIA A ROOF? OR IS THERE SOMETHING, BECAUSE I'M RUNNING INTO THAT PROBLEM, LIKE, OKAY, YOU CAN HAVE A DECENT SIZED HOUSE, DOG RUN, CONNECTED TO A MOTHER-IN-LAW SUITE, BUT IT'S NOT. DETACHED. SO WE HAD THAT EXACT CONVERSATION AT THE COMMITTEE AND THAT'S WHY WE, THE WHOLE NOTION OF SELF-CONTAINED CAME INTO PLAY. IF YOU'RE CONNECTED BY ROOF, LET'S SAY IT'S, WELL, OKAY, LET'S SAY YOU HAVE THE DOG RUN, AND IT'S A COMPLETELY ENCLOSED, AIR-CONDITIONED AREA.

AT WHAT POINT IN TIME DOES IT BECOMES STANDALONE? AND WHAT WE DO IS WE SAY, OKAY, WHAT'S THE ENTRY FEATURE TO THE UNIT? IF I SNAP MY FINGERS AND A DOG RUN AWAY, IS THIS STILL SELF-CONTAINED? AND I THINK THE FIRE RATING OF THE WALLS, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S CONSTRUCTED, ALMOST LIKE YOU WALK INTO AN APARTMENT BUILDING AND YOU'RE ALL

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THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS BECAUSE THEY WANTED IT TO BE SELF-CONTAINED AND NOT A MOTHER-IN-LAW SUITE.

NOT JUST, OH, WE GOT A SPECIAL LOCK THERE.

NO, IT NEEDS TO BE SELF-CONTAINED. AND I THINK THE NOTION OF HOW IT'S CONNECTED BECAME LESS OF AN ISSUE. BECAUSE AT THE BUILDING CODE LEVEL, WE'RE GOING TO SAY THAT'S NOT A SELF-CONTAINED UNIT. AND IT'S NOT SO MUCH A ZONING THING.

IT'S A BUILDING CODE THING.

AND WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT, AGAIN, IF THE ONLY THING I HAVE IS A ROOF STRUCTURE OR AN ENCLOSED SPACE, AND THAT WENT AWAY, IS THAT STILL A SELF-CONTAINED UNIT? STAND BY ITSELF? SO WE TALKED ABOUT NUMBER OF METERS, WE TALKED ABOUT ALL THAT STUFF TO TRULY MAKE IT AN ACCESSORY UNIT. OTHERWISE, IT'S JUST AN ADD-ON TO THE HOUSE, AND YOU CAN DO THAT RIGHT NOW.

SURE. AND SO I THINK THIS IS, AGAIN, THE FIRST BLUSH AT THIS. I THINK WHEN IT GETS TO THE FULL COUNCIL, THE ATHLETIC LEISURE UNIT GOES, IT'S GOING TO BE MORPHED AND CHANGED. YOU KNOW, I THINK PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY ALSO WILL SAY, HEY, WHAT ABOUT, I DON'T WANT TO GET TREATED ANY DIFFERENTLY THAN A LARGE LOT. SO YOU'LL HAVE SOME OF THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE UNIT STANDARDS? AS A FORMER CENSUS TAKER, IS THIS GOING TO CAUSE ANY PROBLEMS? YOU SAID NO SEPARATE METERS OR SEPARATE ADDRESSES ON THEM. IS THAT GOING TO CAUSE ANY, DO YOU SEE ANY PROBLEMS THAT COULD CAUSE? WELL, LET ME, LET ME CORRECT MYSELF WITH THE METERS. I DROPPED MY PREVIOUS COMMENT ABOUT THE METERS BECAUSE I'M ALSO A FORMER CENSUS TAKER. THE THINKING IS THAT WE WON'T SEE AN UPTICK ON.

NON, HOW CAN I PUT THIS, LIKE A WHOLE SEPARATE SET OF INDIVIDUALS LIVING IN AN ACCESSORY UNIT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND THIS BECOMES A LITTLE NEBULOUS. WE'VE GOT A HOUSE AND AN ACCESSORY UNIT, AND WE WANT TO KNOW WHO LIVES WHERE.

BUT THE MAIN THING IS, IT HAS TO BE OCCUPIED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER. I TAKE THAT TO MEAN PROPERTY OWNER, BY EXTENSION, PROPERTY OWNER'S FAMILY. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID IS THIS HAS BECOME AN AIRBNB, OR THIS HAS BECOME A RENT HOUSE FOR WHOEVER WANTS TO RENT IT. OH, FOR SURE.

FOR SURE. I MEAN, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR ANY MUNICIPALITY TO ENFORCE THOSE TYPES OF PROVISIONS. YOU CAN HAVE IT IN WRITING, BUT IN PRACTICALITY... HEY, THIS PERSON IS NOT A PROPERTY OWNER, THEY'RE LIVING HERE. OKAY, WHAT HAPPENS NEXT, RIGHT? WE CAN SAY IT'S A ZONING CODE VIOLATION, BUT BEYOND THAT, I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH JUICE OR TRACTION THAT GETS IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO... I MEAN, IT KIND OF FALLS IN THE SAME VEIN AS TO WHAT CAN YOU RENT OUT IF IT'S YOUR PROPERTY. BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, AT LEAST AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL, THEY WANTED TO HAVE IN THE CODE. SO THAT THE INTEGRITY OF WHO LIVES IN THE COMMUNITY STAYS THE SAME. VERY GOOD POINT, THOUGH, VERY GOOD POINT. SO THIS IS MORE OF WHAT CAN YOU FIT IN A 900 SQUARE FOOT HOME? OR THESE ARE JUST SOME FLOOR PLANS, TWO DIFFERENT FLOOR PLANS THAT MR. PIERCE FOUND, JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME IDEA OF HOW THIS WOULD LOOK ON THE GROUND. AND SO, TO THE LEFT IS YOUR TWO-BEDROOM ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. AND YOU'VE GOT ESSENTIALLY QUITE A LOT THAT CAN TAKE PLACE. I MEAN, IF YOU'VE EVER LIVED IN A 900-SQUARE-FOOT APARTMENT, IT'S SUITABLE FOR ONE OR TWO PEOPLE. IT'S CERTAINLY, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOUR IDEA IS, IT MAY SUIT MOST NEEDS, BUT OBVIOUSLY, YOU CAN GO LARGER THAN THAT IF YOU THINK IT'S NECESSARY, OR YOU PREFER TO GO LARGER THAN THAT.

[02:00:01]

AS YOU ALL MIGHT WELL, THAT RUNS THE GAMUT OF HOW THINGS LOOK, AND THOSE ARE JUST TWO EXAMPLES. SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOMEBODY REQUESTS AN ADU IN A NON-RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT? SO WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND WE DON'T WANT TO PRECLUDE SOMEBODY FROM AT LEAST BRINGING ITEM FOUR, BUT IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF AN S ZONING, ONE DEDICATED PARKING SPOT FOR A TENANT. AND IT SHALL BE OCCUPIED BY THE BUILDING OWNER OR BUSINESS TENANT. SO WE DO HAVE BUSINESSES IN THE CITY THAT HAVE THE NEED TO HAVE SOMEBODY ON SITE. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE A STORAGE FACILITY, OFTENTIMES THEY MIGHT FEEL THE NEED TO HAVE AN ADU. JUST TO HAVE SOMEBODY MONITOR WHAT GOES ON ON THE BUSINESS. AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT FLEXIBILITY IS THERE SO THAT IT CAN HAVE THAT TYPE OF USE. I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY EASIER IN SOME CASES BECAUSE IT'S NON-RESIDENTIAL.

SO THIS IS A LOT OF WORD SALAD, BUT DRIVE-THROUGH DESIGN AND STACKING REQUIREMENTS, THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS IS TO LOOK AT HOW CAN WE ADDRESS AN ISSUE THAT IS ENDEMIC WITH A LOT OF CITIES, BUT YOU PULL INTO YOUR FAVORITE DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT AND YOU'RE IN THE STREET. YOU CAN'T EVEN GET INTO THE SITE. AND WE DON'T HAVE THE MEASURES IN PLACE THROUGH A SITE PLANNING AND REQUIREMENT STANDPOINT.

FOR STACKING AND QUEUING, AND WHAT THIS DOES IS PUT IN SOME CONDITIONS. I WON'T READ ALL OF THOSE, BUT WE ARE PUTTING IN CONDITIONS WHERE IF YOU PULL IN, LET'S SAY IT'S A MULTI-TENANT SITE. WHEN YOU COME INTO THE DEPARTMENT, YOU NOW HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE CERTAIN STUFF.

YOU WILL, IF THIS IS APPROVED, HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE CERTAIN STACKING AND QUEUING IN ORDER TO GET APPROVED. RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT.

IT'S JUST, IT'S THE WILD, WILD WEST, AND IT SHOWS IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET COFFEE IN THE MORNING.

SO THIS WILL HAVE A MATERIAL EFFECT ON HOW SITE PLANS ARE REVIEWED AND PROCESSED. IT WILL ALSO HAVE A MATERIAL EFFECT ON, REALLY, WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT HOW PROPERTIES ARE SUBDIVIDED. BECAUSE THEY MAY HAVE A TENANT IN MIND. AND AS THAT TENANT USE CHANGES, THE STACKING AND QUEUING MAY HAVE AN EFFECT ON WHAT TYPE OF TENANT CAN GO IN THERE.

IT'S MOSTLY WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A RESTAURANT USE, NOT TYPICALLY FOR MUCH USE BEYOND THAT.

BUT WE'RE ALSO SEEING CHANGES IN THE INDUSTRY WHERE YOU'RE HAVING MULTIPLE LANES OF TRAFFIC, WHERE THE EMPLOYEES ARE STANDING OUTSIDE, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S MEANT RESTAURANTS ARE NOW TRANSITIONING TO VERY LITTLE INTERIOR SPACE, SO STACKING AND QUEUING BECOMES THAT MUCH MORE IMPORTANT. AND WHEN YOU GET THE TRAFFIC THROUGH THE SITE WITHOUT...

ENDANGERING THE LIVES OF INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE TRYING TO WALK ACROSS THE PARKING LOT. AND ALSO PUT SOME REQUIREMENTS ON THESE BUSINESSES THAT THEY HAVE AT LEAST MINIMUM PARKING FOR CUSTOMERS WHO ARE WAITING, DIMENSIONAL AND DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE, AND ENTRANCES AND EXITS THAT ARE AT LEAST 50 FEET FROM THE INTERSECTION OF A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. IT'S JUST TO PUT MORE SPECIFICITY IN THE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE WHERE WE'VE KIND OF MADE SOME CHANGES, WHERE, AGAIN, IT WILL RESULT IN A CHANGE IN THE COMMERCIAL SITE PLAN.

SO THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANES WILL HAVE TO CONSIDER A LITTLE BIT MORE ORIENTATION, THE PARKING IS ALIGNED DIFFERENTLY, AND WE WANT TO HAVE CLEAR DELINEATION OF WHERE THAT TRAFFIC GOES VERSUS PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. AND EVEN THIS IS NOT PERFECT BECAUSE YOU HAVE A BLIND CORNER. THAT'S JUST HOW DIFFICULT IT IS. YOU LOOK AT THE LEFT CORNER OF THOSE BUILDINGS THAT YOU'RE STEPPING OUT, YOU'RE STEPPING RIGHT OUT INTO... A DRIVE LANE, IT'S JUST THAT DIFFICULT BECAUSE YOU'RE EITHER GOING TO HAVE TO STRETCH IT ALL THE WAY OUT, FAR OR WIDE FROM THE BUILDING, BUT I CAN TELL YOU, ANY ONE OF US HAVE BEEN TO A RESTAURANT AND YOU'RE LIKE, I CAN'T STEP OUT THERE. I'VE GOT TO STEP INTO THE STREET AND PEEK AROUND A CORNER BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S GOING TO COME ZIPPING THROUGH, BUT THOSE ARE THE REAL WORLD EXAMPLES THAT, AND I TOTALLY LIKE, EVEN THAT IS, THEY THINK IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE, BUT IN REALITY, IF YOU'RE WALKING, IT REALLY ISN'T. IT'S JUST VERY DIFFICULT TO PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, AND A PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE IS CHANGING WITH THE RESTAURANT COMMUNITY.

AND IT'S NOW BECOMING CAR PREVALENT, AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT SOMETIMES TO ADDRESS THAT ADEQUATELY THROUGH ZONING. IT REALLY IS.

SO VEHICLE PARKING REGULATIONS IS SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL CHALLENGED US WITH. WE LOOKED AT WHAT WE COULD DO TO RESIDENTIAL PARKING AND HOW

[02:05:02]

AND IT'S ALSO A SETBACK STANDARD FOR THESE HOUSES BECAUSE THEY COME CLOSER TO THE STREET. THE DRIVEWAY SHORTENS. THE VEHICLES ARE NOT SHORTENING IN SOME CASES. THE GARAGE IS UTILIZED FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN PARKING, AND WHAT YOU GET IS A LOT OF CARS THAT ARE BACKING PARKING INTO THE STREET. YOU SEE THAT IN A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THAT IS A CONCERN FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. WE'VE GOT FRONT ENTRY GARAGE CRITERIA THAT WE DISCUSSED, AND THIS GOES, AGAIN, BACK TO THAT DEPTH OF THE DRIVEWAY. AND SO...

WE'VE GOT JUST TWO THINGS TO LOOK AT. ONE IS 36 FEET AND THE OTHER ONE IS 20 FEET. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE TWO AS JUST OPTIONS AS TO WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH SOME OF THE SPACING. AND SIDE ENTRY GARAGES, AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT? BECAUSE TYPICALLY, YOUR SIDE YARD IS SHORTER THAN YOUR FRONT YARD. SO YOU STILL HAVE THE SAME PHENOMENON. I'LL PULL INTO A SIDE CAR GARAGE, BUT IF I'M ON A CORNER LOT, MY SIDE CAR GARAGE IS STILL DIRECTLY ABUTTING THE STREET, AND I STILL HAVE THIS EFFECT OF CARS THAT MAY BE OUT IN THE STREET, AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A DISTANCE THAT WE THINK WILL WORK. I THINK IF YOU HAVE A SIDE ENTRY GARAGE OR A J-SWING GARAGE AND IT'S INTERIOR TO YOUR LOT, IT'S NOT THAT MUCH OF AN ISSUE. BUT IF YOU'RE OUT ADJACENT TO A STREET, IT BECOMES, THAT'S OUR CONCERN, THE ADJACENCY TO A STREET. AND WE'VE GOT, I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME PICTURES HERE WHERE WE'VE GOT A MEASUREMENT OF HOW 20 FEET WOULD LOOK IF YOU'VE GOT A RECESSED GARAGE. AND HOW 30 FEET WOULD LOOK IN TERMS OF A PAD SITE IF YOU'VE GOT A SIDE ENTRY GARAGE. NOW, AGAIN, THIS IS IF YOU... WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY ASSUMPTIONS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS SIDE ENTRY IS RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE STREET, BUT THE WHOLE POINT IS THE DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS KEEP YOU FROM BEING IN THE STREET. YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF A SET-ASIDE. NOW, IF YOU HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO THE STREET, THEN WE'LL PROBABLY LOOK AT ANOTHER SETBACK STANDARD.

BEFORE YOU GO ON, TWO QUESTIONS. ONE, ON THE 30-FOOT, IS THAT THE... THE DESIRE TO HAVE 30 FEET BEFORE THE SIDEWALK IF THERE IS A SIDEWALK, BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU'RE BLOCKING THE SIDEWALK, YES, AND THEN SECONDLY, 20 FEET. I MEAN, THE GARAGE IS USUALLY A 21 FOOT, BUT EVEN AT 20 FEET, IF YOU GOT A FRONT ENTRY GARAGE, YOU'RE GETTING OUT IN THE GRASS. IT IS DIFFICULT BECAUSE WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS, WE GET BUILDING PLANS ALL THE TIME, AND A LOT OF THESE ARE SPEC BUILDING HOUSES, AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WHAT IS GOING TO BE, WHAT ARE EXAMPLES, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THIS WITH THE HOME BUILDING COMMUNITY, THESE ARE JUST THOUGHTS RIGHT NOW.

IF YOU HAVE A RECESSED GARAGE, WHAT IS THE MINIMUM DEPTH THAT WE THINK WILL ACHIEVE SOME SUCCESS? I WILL TELL YOU, YOU'RE EXACTLY CORRECT, IT WILL NOT BE SUCCESSFUL IN EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE.

BECAUSE IT STILL COMES DOWN TO WHAT TYPE OF VEHICLE ARE YOU DRIVING? HOW MANY VEHICLES ARE PARKED IN THAT AREA? SO, AGAIN, JUST THE FIRST BLUSH, I WILL TELL YOU THAT BY THE TIME WE BRUSH THIS ISSUE WITH THE HOME BUILDING COMMUNITY, THIS MAY CHANGE.

BECAUSE THEY MAY SAY, THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK FOR US. YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER DOING THIS. AND IT'S JUST TO GET SOME UNDERSTANDING AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS EVEN SOMETHING THAT WE THINK WARRANTS FURTHER CONSIDERATION.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID WITH THE COMMITTEE. IF YOU HAVE SOME CONCERNS AND YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE SOME TIME, YOU CAN ALWAYS EMAIL ME. I WILL CERTAINLY TAKE THOSE TO COUNCIL. SO AGAIN, THIS IS MORE VEHICLE PARKING

[02:10:04]

WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PUT IN MANDATORY MINIMUMS. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS, YOU CAN HAVE AT LEAST THIS MUCH PARKING, BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT MUCH PARKING TO BE OVER-PARKED. WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT... WE'RE FLEXIBLE TO BUSINESSES THAT COME IN.

SOMETIMES OUR PARKING REGULATIONS ARE A BIT MUCH, AND YOU HAVE THIS SEA OF CONCRETE, AND THE BUILDING'S PUSHED ALL THE WAY BACK. WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT HAPPENS IF WE BRING THE BUILDING CLOSER TO THE ROADWAY AND RELAX THE PARKING STANDARDS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO DO WITH SOME OF THESE CONVERSATIONS. AND THE COUNCIL COMMITTEE WANTED US TO LOOK AT CERTAIN CORRIDORS AS KIND OF LIKE POSSIBLE TEST CORRIDORS, AND YOU HAVE THOSE IN FRONT OF YOU. LIKE, HOW...

EMPIRICALLY, HOW THESE WORK RIGHT NOW, TODAY WITH SOME OF THE BUSINESSES, IF WE INSTITUTED SOME OF THESE CHANGES. AND YOU GOT TO BE COMPLIANT WITH ADA. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT ARE THE PEAK HOURS OF OPERATION AND HOW DOES THAT WORK. WE THINK THAT MOST BUSINESSES ARE OVER-PARKED.

AND WHAT I MEAN ABOUT THAT IS THEY HAVE MORE PARKING THAN THEY NEED. YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE WITH SOME BUSINESSES, BUT IF YOU TAKE THE DRIVE-THROUGH TRAFFIC AWAY, YOU DON'T. HAVE MANY INSTANCES OF NO PARKING. I MEAN, MAYBE SOME, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WANTED US TO LOOK AT. AND THIS IS JUST A MITIGATION STANDARD ABOUT HOW WE CAN PUT IN MORE LANDSCAPING IF YOU EXCEED 110% OF THE PARKING REQUIREMENT.

SO, AGAIN, AND THIS IS THE END OF, YOU ALL MADE IT THROUGH.

THIS IS THE END OF ALL THE PRESENTATIONS, BUT WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK. I WILL TELL YOU THAT THIS IS YOUR FIRST TIME HEARING IT. WE'LL GIVE YOU THE BENEFIT OF DIGESTING IT. IF YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE COME BACK FOR MORE DISCUSSION, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. IF YOU WANT TO JUST SEND QUESTIONS TO ME, JUST SO YOU CAN HAVE SOME CLARITY ON IT. BUT WE WANTED TO GET...

AT LEAST A DISCUSSION IN FRONT OF YOU, BECAUSE ALL OF THIS WILL REQUIRE AN ORDINANCE CHANGE. SO THIS IS JUST A PRESENTATION. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ANY ACTION TONIGHT.

BUT WE INTEND TO FURTHER THIS EFFORT THROUGH A COUNCIL. AND SO I WILL TELL YOU THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, LET ME KNOW.

BUT PART OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS JUST BRIEF YOU, AND THEN WE'LL BRIEF THE COUNCIL, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL ON WHAT THEY WANT TO DO NEXT.

ALL RIGHT. SOUNDS GOOD. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO? OKAY.

WE'RE GOOD. I APPRECIATE IT, TONY. I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S TIME TONIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

THAT DOES IT FOR THE REPORTS AND PRESENTATIONS. WE HAVE NO GENERAL ITEMS, NO COMMUNITY INTEREST ITEMS, AND NO NEED TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO I'LL ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 8.13 P.M.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.