>> I'M GOING TO OPEN THIS SESSION UP AT 5:34. [1. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:04] I'D LIKE TO INVITE JOHN MARK TITTSWORTH UP FRONT. HE'S THE LEAD PASTOR AT ALSBURY BAPTIST CHURCH. HE'S GOING TO BE GIVING OUR INVITATION. WOULD EVERYBODY PLEASE STAND FOR OUR INVITATION? ALSO OUR PLEDGES. >> FATHER, THANK YOU FOR CALLING US TO KNOW YOU FOR REVEALING YOURSELF. ASK THAT, AS YOU PROMISED IN SCRIPTURE THAT YOU WOULD GIVE WISDOM TO LEADERS AND SERVANTS AROUND US SO THAT THEY WOULD ACT IN WAYS NOT JUST THAT ARE IMPULSIVE OR ACCORDING TO IDEALS, BUT ACCORDING TO WHAT IS GOOD AND WHAT IS BEST AND LEADS TO FLOURISHING. LORD ASK THAT YOU YOU WOULD ALSO GIVE OUR LEADERS AND OUR SERVANTS THE OPPORTUNITY TO EMBODY JUSTICE, LIKE YOU ARE JUST, NOT JUST A JUSTICE THAT REWARDS PEOPLE LIKE US, BUT A JUSTICE THAT REALLY GOES OUT FOR THE FATHERLESS, THE WIDOW, THE POOR AND THE ORPHAN. LORD ASKED THAT, ALSO, YOU WOULD FILL US WITH HUMILITY SO THAT WE WOULD OWN OUR MISTAKES SO THAT WE WOULD OWN OUR PART AND THE PROBLEM AND SO THAT WE WOULD BE OPEN TO RECEIVING WISDOM AND RECEIVING HELP FROM ABOVE, BUT ALSO HELP FROM A NEIGHBOR AND FROM RECOGNIZING THE IMAGE OF GOD AND ONE ANOTHER. TONIGHT, WOULD YOU BE ACTIVE IN THE CONVERSATIONS, THE PRESENTATIONS, THE ENCOURAGEMENT, THE AFFIRMATIONS, AND MAYBE EVEN SOME OF THE DEBATE. I PRAISED THIS IN JESUS NAME, AMEN. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THAT BRINGS US TO SECTION 2, PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS. WE HAVE NO PROCLAMATIONS THIS EVENING. HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE SOME PRESENTATIONS. FIRST PRESENTATION OF THE EVENING IS 2B TO RECOGNIZE THE PUBLIC WORKS STAFF. [2.B.Presentations] THE STAFF PRESENTER THIS EVENING IS ERIC THOMPSON, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS. MR. THOMPSON. >> THANK YOU, MS. CAMPOS, AND GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THANK YOU TO THE CITY MANAGER FOR ALLOWING JUST A COUPLE MINUTES TO RECOGNIZE SOME VERY HARD WORKING PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. THE DEPARTMENT BY NATURE HAS A VERY WIDE VARIETY OF SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE, AND I'LL JUST FLIP THROUGH A FEW PICTURES OF SOME OF THOSE ACTIVITIES FROM MAINTAINING TRAFFIC SIGNS AND SIGNALS TO ALL FORMS OF CONCRETE WORK ON STREETS AND SIDEWALKS. THIS IS A RECENT PROJECT AT THE LIBRARY THAT YOU MAY NOTICE OR BE FAMILIAR WITH. THERE'S ALSO POTHOLE PATCHING. ON THE LEFT, THERE IS SOME WORK OUT ON ONE OF THE STRIP ANNEXATION COUNTY ROADS OUT TO THE WEST. COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, WE HAD A LOT OF ENERGY AND RESOURCES PUT INTO HIDDEN VISTAS DEMOLITION, AND THEN WE CAME BACK LATER WITH CONTRACTOR TO REPOUR PART OF THAT ROADWAY. HERE, YOU'VE GOT SOME OF THE STAFF FROM THE WATER DIVISION, DOING VARIOUS TASKS, WORKING ON A MAIN REPAIR, AND THEN A SERVICE LINE INVENTORY INVESTIGATION ON THE RIGHT. HERE ARE TWO PICTURES OF TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS OF THE DEPARTMENT. I WILL NOTE THAT IT'S VERY HARD TO GET ALL 55 MEMBERS OF THE DEPARTMENT TOGETHER AT ONE TIME BECAUSE THERE'S JUST ALWAYS SOMETHING GOING ON. CASE AND POINT, DECEMBER 19TH, I THOUGHT I WOULD HAVE LUNCH FOR THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT A GOOD PORTION OF THE STAFF COULDN'T MAKE IT BECAUSE OF A RELATIVELY LARGE WATER MAIN BREAK THAT HAPPENED PROBABLY TWO HOURS BEFORE WE WERE GOING TO HAVE LUNCH. THIS WAS HIDDEN CREEK PARKWAY AND SOUTHEAST GARDENS DRIVE. 12 INCH WATER LINE AS ONE OF THE LARGER LINES WITHIN OUR SYSTEM. ALL OF THAT PROPERTY, THE WIND MILLER DEVELOPMENT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT PICTURE, THIS MAIN BREAK RENDERED ALL OF THOSE LOCATIONS WITHOUT FULL WATER PRESSURE. AGAIN, THIS HAPPENED ABOUT LUNCHTIME ON A THURSDAY, [00:05:01] ABOUT A WEEK BEFORE CHRISTMAS. THE HARD WORKING STAFF JUMP INTO ACTION AS THEY NORMALLY DO. PICTURE IN THE UPPER LEFT SHOWS THE EXTENT OF OUR LARGEST PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THE BACK HOLE AND WITH AN EXTENDABLE BOOM, BUT WE'VE GONE ABOUT AS FAR AS WE CAN GO THERE. I'LL FAST FORWARD THROUGH A LONG STORY, BUT WE ENDED UP WITH AN EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT. WE'RE GRATEFUL TO HAVE JACKSON CONSTRUCTORS LIMITED ANSWER THE CALL, AND IT WAS INTERESTING CALL FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE ACTUALLY OFF AT A CONTRACTOR'S BANQUET OR SOME HOLIDAY FUNCTION. IT WAS VERY HARD TO GET ANYBODY THAT NIGHT, BUT WE DIDN'T GIVE UP, KEPT CALLING. FINALLY GOT A RESPONSE, AND THEN PROBABLY 4:30 THE NEXT MORNING. WE WERE ABLE TO MEET ON SITE TO REALLY TALK THROUGH SOME OF THE DETAILS. THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT SHOWS THE POLL HOLDER, BASICALLY. PART OF WHAT MADE THIS MAIN BREAK SO CHALLENGING WAS THAT WE HAD THIS UTILITY POLL THAT WAS THREATENED. THERE WAS ONLY SO MUCH EXCAVATION WE COULD DO WITHOUT MAKING THE PROBLEM EVEN WORSE BY KNOCKING OUT POWER TO A FEW THOUSAND PEOPLE. JACKSON WAS ABLE TO, THEY HAD A CERTIFIED POLL HOLDER AVAILABLE. THEY REALLY CAME TO THE RESCUE. WE REALLY APPRECIATE THEIR WORK AS SOME OF THE JACKSON STAFF DOWN IN THE TRENCH WITH ALL THE APPROPRIATE SHORING, BUT YOU CAN'T SEE IT IN THIS PICTURE. ALMOST 15 FOOT DEEP EXCAVATION. THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT IS THE ACTUAL PIECE OF 12 INCH WATER LINE THAT CAUSED ALL THE PROBLEM. YOU PROBABLY ARE FAMILIAR THAT THERE'S A TRAFFIC SIGNAL UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT THAT INTERSECTION RIGHT NOW. ONE OF THE SUBCONTRACTORS FOR THAT PROJECT ACTUALLY BORED THROUGH THIS HOLE THAT SET THIS WHOLE CHAIN OF EVENTS INTO MOTION. BEING PUBLIC WORKS, ALL ABOUT PUBLIC SERVICE. WE CAN'T REALLY FOCUS ON WHO DID IT. IT'S ABOUT HOW DO WE GET THE WATER BACK ON SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN FUNCTION. AGAIN, A LOT OF PRIVATE BUSINESSES, RESTAURANTS OVER IN THAT DEVELOPMENT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. I'D LIKE TO REALLY PUBLICLY THANK A HOST OF PUBLIC WORK STAFF FROM THE WATER DIVISION. I'LL ACTUALLY READ ALL THEIR NAMES. WE'RE GOING TO GET THEM TOGETHER IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM TO PLAY THIS BACK AT SOME POINT. IF YOU JUST BEAR WITH THEM FOR JUST ANOTHER MINUTE, MARK HERT, NEPHTALI RUIZ, TYLER THOMPSON, ETHAN RUETER, STETSON BLACK, BLUE HOLDER, DUSTIN LANCASTER, TRAY STEPHENS, CORBIN SMITH, CODY GOODMAN, HEALTH GATLIN, AND ANDY JABBEN. BUT WE ALSO HAD A LOT OF HELP AND SUPPORT FROM CITY OF FORT WORTH. WE'RE ABLE TO BORROW SOME EQUIPMENT FROM THEM THAT ALLOWED US TO GET FULL WATER PRESSURE BACK ON AT ABOUT 5:30 AM ON THAT FRIDAY. WHICH ALLOWED THE COFFEE SHOP TO OPEN ON TIME, RESTAURANTS TO OPEN ON TIME, ALL OF THAT. THAT WAS A BIG HELP TO US. THEN I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT JACKSON CONSTRUCTION AND STEVE AND THE WHOLE CREW THAT HE BROUGHT OUT. BUT AS THE SUN BEGAN TO RISE ON FRIDAY THERE WERE JUST TRUCKS AND TRUCKS OF EQUIPMENT AND HIS WHOLE CREW TO COME AND ACTUALLY MAKE THAT REPAIR, AND THEN THE PULL HOLDER AS WELL. THEN I ALSO WANTED TO THANK THE BUSINESSES FOR THEIR PATIENTS BECAUSE I'M SURE IT WASN'T PLEASANT FOR THEM. I KNOW IT WASN'T. I THINK WE PROBABLY OR THE MAIN BREAK IMPACTED SOME HOLIDAY PARTIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT HAD RESERVATIONS THAT HAD PROBABLY BEEN COORDINATED AT LEAST WEEKS IN ADVANCE. BUT AGAIN, WE GOT THE CALL, JUMPED ON IT TO DO WHAT WE COULD TO GET IT RESTORED AS SOON AS WE COULD. ON THE LEFT, WELL, ON THE RIGHT IS ALMOST CALL THEM OUR MASCOT, BUT HE'S NOT A MASCOT. THAT'S OUR SUPERVISOR IN THE STREET MAINTENANCE DIVISION. MOST OF YOU PROBABLY HAVE INTERACTED WITH HIM IN SOME FORM OR FASHION. BUT HE HELPS LIGHTEN THE MOOD AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME, TO THE LEFT, THIS IS A NEW LOGO THAT MANAGEMENT STAFF AND SUPERVISORS HAVE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY ON BOARD WITH THE WHOLE NOTION OF, WE'RE HERE TO PROVIDE SERVICE, WE WANT TO DO THAT WITH A PURPOSE. EVERYTHING WE DO, NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, HOW ROUTINE, MUNDANE IT MIGHT BE. THEY'RE ALL FOR SOME PUBLIC SERVICE PURPOSE. I REALLY WANT EVERYBODY TO APPROACH EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO ALL DAY WITH PRIDE SO THAT THEY CAN BE PROUD OF THEIR INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTION, [00:10:04] BUT THEN ALSO THE WORK OF THEIR TEAM, AND THEN THE OVERALL WORK OF THE DEPARTMENT. TO THAT END, WE WANT TO BE PROFESSIONAL, RELIABLE, INNOVATIVE, DEDICATED, AND ALWAYS LOOKING TO GET BETTER. WITH THAT, THANK YOU FOR INDULGING ME FOR A FEW MINUTES TO TALK ABOUT THIS, NOT JUST STAFF, BUT SOME PARTNERS AS WELL THAT HELP US WITH A RELATIVELY MAJOR MAIN BREAK. >> EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE WE HAVE THESE SITUATIONS, AND IT'S SAD WE DON'T RECOGNIZE YOU GUYS ENOUGH UNTIL SOMETHING HAPPENS. BUT THIS WHOLE TOWN APPRECIATES YOUR GROUP, AND THEY'RE NOT JUST DOING THE WORK, BUT THEIR ATTITUDE WHEN THEY'RE DOING IT. I KNOW EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL JUST THINKS THE WORLD, YOU GUYS. YOU ALL HAVE BEEN PUT THROUGH IT AT TIMES. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. >> NOT RIGHT AFTER BREAKFAST, USUALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT OR WHEN THE WEATHER IS FREEZING OR FLOODING AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. LET THE GUYS KNOW HOW MUCH WE APPRECIATE THEM. >> CERTAIN WILL. THANK YOU. >> ONE DETAIL LEFT OUT OF HIS DESCRIPTION OF THE SITUATION WAS THAT WHEN THEY REALIZED THAT THE WATER WOULD TAKE A WHILE TO GET BACK ON, STAFF ALSO LAID OUT A TEMPORARY WATER LINE FROM C KISHA FIELDS AREA, AND RAN IT BACK UP ACROSS THE GRASS AND HOOKED THE BUSINESSES UP, JUST PROVING THAT CUSTOMER SERVICE IS OUR MAIN DRIVE HERE. WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS, YOU GOT TO GET IT FIXED, GET THEM BACK IN SERVICE, AND THEY DID THAT AND VERY INGENIOUS IDEA, VERY WELL EXECUTED. >> THANK YOU. AGAIN, THAT'S THE CITY OF FORT WORTH BEING ABLE TO BORROW THAT EQUIPMENT THAT WE NEEDED TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE THEM FOR HELPING US THERE. >> THESE PARTNERSHIPS THAT WE HAVE WITH OTHER TOWNS, PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE HOW MUCH WE LEAN ON EACH OTHER. THAT IS WHEN ANOTHER TOWN WILL COME TO HELP, THAT'S BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN A GOOD PARTNER TO THEM. THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT WITH WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW. WE CAN'T DO THIS BY OURSELVES SOMETIMES. ANYBODY ELSE? >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT UP, WE HAVE RECOGNIZING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT STAFF. THE STAFF PRESENTER IS CHIEF DAVIS. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR A QUICK OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND RECOGNIZE OUR STAFF FOR AN INCREDIBLE RESCUE THAT WE HAD FRIDAY BEFORE LAST ON FEBRUARY 24TH. THIS WAS DEFINITELY AN UNPRECEDENTED CALL FOR US. THIS IS NOT THE NORM TYPE OF RESCUE THAT WE RESPOND TO. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ONCE IN A CAREER SITUATIONS. FOR OUR STAFF. IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT AN INCREDIBLE JOB THEY DID AND THE OUTCOME OF THIS IS, JUST AMAZING. IT WAS DEFINITELY A MIRACLE, AND THE STAFF THAT WAS THERE DID AN AMAZING JOB. BUT JUST TO SET THE SCENE UP FOR YOU HERE, ON JANUARY 24TH AT 11:50 AM WE RESPONDED TO A ANGLE RESCUE AT THE SUBSTATION HERE ON THE 700 BLOCK OF NORTH BURLESON BOULEVARD. A CONTRACTOR CREW WAS ON TOP OF 150 FOOT FOOT CELL TOWER, AND WHILE THEY WERE UP THERE DOING THEIR WORK, THEY CAME IN DIRECT CONTACT WITH A TRANSMISSION LINE IN THE SUBSTATION. THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT SIDES TO THAT AREA THERE. THERE'S A DISTRIBUTION SIDE AND A TRANSMISSION SIDE, AND THEY CAME IN CONTACT WITH THE SIDE THAT'S INSIDE THE SUBSTATION THERE. THOSE LINES RUNNING THROUGH THERE RUN 138,000 VOLTS OF ELECTRICITY THROUGH THERE. THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF POWER RUNNING THROUGH THAT SUBSTATION THAT AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURE TO THE RIGHT, THAT WAS WHAT'S CALLED AN ELECTRICAL EXPLOSION THAT OCCURRED WHENEVER THIS LINE CAME IN CONTACT WITH THAT THERE. THERE WAS THREE CREW MEMBERS FOR THE CELL TOWER. ONE WAS CRITICALLY INJURED. THE WEATHER CONDITIONS AT THE TIME WERE ABOUT 59 DEGREES WAS THE HIGH FOR THE DAY, AND THE WIND WAS 17 MILES AN HOUR OUT OF THE SOUTH. BUT YOU CAN IMAGINE AT THE TOP OF THAT, THAT'S PRETTY COLD AND THE WINDS BLOWING, CONSTANTLY THROUGH THERE. THIS HERE'S A VIDEO OF WHENEVER IT ACTUALLY OCCURRED. I'D FOCUS YOUR ATTENTION ON THE CELL TOWER HERE. IF YOU CAN SEE THERE, THAT'S THE AMOUNT OF POWER THAT OCCURRED WHENEVER THIS HAPPENED. YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT A TREMENDOUS MIRACLE IT IS THAT ANYBODY WAS ABLE TO SURVIVE THIS INCIDENT. THE TIMELINE WAS AT 11:50 AM ALARM ACTIVATED US. I WANT TO STOP THERE FOR JUST A QUICK MINUTE. WE HAVE SEVERAL MEMBERS IN THE CROWD HERE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HIGHLIGHT AND NAME, [00:15:05] AND OUR ALARM OFFICE IS THE FIRST PART OF OUR TEAM, WHENEVER THEY RECEIVE THE CALL AND THEY START TO GET THAT INFORMATION, AND THEN THEY WORK THAT CALL ALL THE WAY THROUGH WITH US, THEY'RE JUST AS MUCH PART OF THE TEAM AS ANY OF THE RESCUERS THAT WE'RE ON SCENE. FIRST UNITS ARRIVED AT 11:56 AND STARTED TO ASSESS THE SITUATION. BATTALION CHIEF HOPS WAS IN COMMAND AND MADE A STRATEGIC CALL EARLY ON TO CALL FOR FORT WORTH TECHNICAL RESCUE TEAM TO COME AND ASSIST US, REALIZING THE COMPLEXITY OF THE RESCUE THAT WAS GOING TO BE AT HAND. IT TOOK UP UNTIL 3:38 PM TO GET THE THIRD VICTIM OFF THE TOP OF THE TOWER. THIS WAS A COMPLICATED RESCUE CHIEF WINES. ONE OF OUR BATTALION CHIEFS OVER TRAINING WAS THE ONE THAT ACTUALLY WAS ABLE TO GO UP AND BE THE LITTER ATTENDANT BRINGING THE THIRD PATIENT DOWN. TOTAL TIME ON THE TOWER WAS FROM 1220-428 SO FOUR HOURS AND EIGHT MINUTES RESCUERS WERE ON THE TOWER SITUATING THIS. THIS IS NOT ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS LIKE A FIRE WHERE WE'RE REAL RUSH RUSH RUSH. WE HAD TO SLOW DOWN, AND BE VERY METHODICAL, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TAKING EVERY STEP CAUTIOUSLY AND MAKING SURE THAT WE DO IT PROPERLY TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL RESCUE. ALL UNITS AFTER THE TRANSPORT TO DALLAS, WERE BACK IN SERVICE AT 6:54. A LITTLE OVER, ABOUT SEVEN HOURS FROM BEGINNING TO END FOR THIS ONE INCIDENT. LIKE I SAID, WE WANT TO THANK OUR BURLESON AND PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATIONS TEAM, AND SEVERAL OF THEM ARE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE, IF YOU'LL WANT TO STAND UP AND LET US RECOGNIZE YOU REAL QUICK. WE HAVE KYLE LYNN DUKE, WHO WAS THE PRIMARY FIRE DISPATCHER COMMUNICATING WITH OUR TEAMS ON THE GROUND AND TO HER SUPERVISOR. CHANDLER KELLETT, WAS THE PRIMARY POLICE DISPATCHER AT THE TIME, AS WELL. ASSIST IN KEEPING PD UP TO REQUEST ON THE SCENE AND ASSISTING WITH CONTACTING OTHER AGENCIES. BETHANY SMITH WAS THE PRIMARY CALL TAKER THAT TOOK THE CALL AND HELPED INITIATE EVERYTHING. THEN, OF COURSE, ERIC ROBERTS WAS A SHIFT SHIFT SUPERVISOR, MANAGING THE SECOND RADIO CHANNEL FOR A STRUCTURE FIRE THAT WENT OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED AND PROVIDED ASSISTANCE AS NEEDED TO SUPPORT AS WE WORK THROUGH THE INCIDENT. THANK YOU ALL TO OUR DISPATCHERS FOR THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [APPLAUSE] >> WE ALSO NEED TO THANK OUR MUTUAL AID PARTNERS OR FIRE DEPARTMENT. THEY BROUGHT THEIR TECHNICAL RESCUE TEAM DOWN WITH A DIVISION CHIEF OVER OPERATIONS, TWO BATTALION CHIEFS, TWO ENGINES, A TOWER TRUCK, WHICH IS WHAT'S HERE, WHICH A TOWER IS A LADDER TRUCK WITH A BUCKET ON THE END OF IT. ANOTHER TRUCK, A SUPPORT VEHICLE, AND THEN THEIR PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER ALSO CAME DOWN TO THE SCENE. WE EXTEND OUR SINCERE GRATITUDE TO THEIR TECHNICAL RESCUE TEAM FOR THEIR PARTNERSHIP AND THE EXPERTISE THAT THEY BROUGHT TO THE SCENE TO ASSIST US WITH THIS OPERATION. THEY HAD APPROXIMATELY 30 FIREFIGHTERS ON THE SCENE WITH US THROUGH THE DURATION OF THE INCIDENT. BACK TO WHAT THE MAYOR WAS SAYING A MINUTE AGO, IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE THESE PARTNERSHIPS AND FOR US TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, AND THEY WERE A GOOD NEIGHBOR THAT DAY TO US, FOR SURE. TO RECOGNIZE THE TEAM THAT WE HAD THERE, TRUCK 16. IF I COULD HAVE MY CREW STAND UP, SO YOU COULD BE RECOGNIZED HERE THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE WITH US FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. WE HAD LIEUTENANT BEN EASON ON TRUCK 16, AND KADE WATSON, WHO WAS THE ENGINEER. WE HAD JOSH SMITH, ONE OF OUR FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDICS, AND BEAU REHOME, ONE OF OUR FIREFIGHTER EMTS. MEDIC 16 WAS THE FIRST AMBULANCE ON THE SCENE WITH NICO BAN, WHO'S ONE OF OUR FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDICS AND ALSO SERVES AS AN FTO FOR US. DAKOTA KIRKWOOD, AS A FIREFIGHTER EMT, AND THEN HUNTER CORBELL, WHO'S ONE OF OUR NEWEST FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDICS. BATTALION 1 WAS IN COMMAND LIKE I SAID WITH CHIEF JAKE HOPPS, AND CHIEF DUANE WINES JUST HAPPENED TO BE WITH HIM AND JUMPED IN THE CAR AND RAN OUT TO THE SCENE WITH US. THEN MEDIC 3 WAS THE ONE THAT WOUND UP TRANSPORTING THE PATIENT WITH FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC QUENTIN SMITH AND FIREFIGHTER EMT MATTHEW FOX. OUR EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER WAS PUT UP BY JOE LASTER EMERGENCY MANAGER TO START WORKING WITH THE POWER GRID. WE HAD A LOT OF POWER OUT. WE HAD TO PUT THE SUBSTATION DOWN. I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE. THEN MYSELF WAS THERE INVOLVED IN COMMAND AND SAFETY. BUT I JUST WANT TO THANK MY TEAM AND GIVE THEM A ROUND OF APPLAUSE. [APPLAUSE] BUT IN TOTAL, WE HAD 47 FIRST RESPONDERS WORKING TOGETHER TO SUCCESSFULLY EXECUTE THIS RESCUE. THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE ALL OF THE STAFF THAT WAS THERE FROM ONCOR AND THE CELL TOWER COMPANY ITSELF AND OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED. [00:20:01] I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT CHIEF WINES. HE WAS THE ONE WHO WENT UP THERE AND WAS ABLE TO EXECUTE THE RESCUE. AS I SAID, CHIEF WINES IS HIGHLY TRAINED, HIGH-ANGLE ROPE RESCUE TECHNICIAN, AND HE'S ALSO TRAINED IN OTHER VARIOUS URBAN SEARCH AND RESCUE DISCIPLINES. HE CLIMBED THE TOWER, WHICH REQUIRES EXCEPTIONAL PHYSICAL FITNESS. HE IS ALWAYS LED BY EXAMPLE IN OUR DEPARTMENT THAT WAY. HE HAS SPECIAL TRAINING AND EXPERTISE FOR THIS. THE RESCUE, LIKE I SAID, WAS HIGHLY TECHNICAL. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU SAW THE VIDEO OF HIM COMING OUT, BUT IT LOOKED LIKE HE FELL A LITTLE BIT, BUT HE HAD TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE HAD TO SET UP THE ANCHOR SYSTEM BELOW HIM TO BE ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY DO THAT RESCUE. THEY WERE ABLE TO SLOWLY LOWER THE PATIENT DOWN A LITTLE BIT, AND HE HAD TO TAKE A LITTLE LEAP OF FAITH OFF OF THERE. I KNOW MY HEART JUST ABOUT STOPPED WHENEVER I SAW HIM COME OUT, BUT HE IS A MAN OF COURAGE, AND HE DIDN'T THINK TWICE. HE RAN UP THAT POLE, AND HE GOT UP THERE QUICKLY TO TAKE CARE OF THAT PATIENT. LIKE I SAID, THE WEATHER CONDITIONS MOSTLY WOULD THINK WERE MILD, BUT IT WAS VERY COLD AND WINDY UP THERE. THE FIRST THING THAT DUANE TOLD ME WHEN HE GOT DOWN, HE SAID, THAT THE TOWER MOVES THE WHOLE TIME [LAUGHTER] THAT YOU'RE UP THERE. IT WAS A VERY DIFFICULT RESCUE. THAT'S WHY IT TOOK SO LONG. I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT ONCOR. MICHAEL DIMAS IS HERE IN THE CROWD, WHO IS OUR AREA REPRESENTATIVE FROM ONCOR THAT'S HERE WITH US. THEY WERE INCREDIBLE PARTNERS THAT DAY TO WORK WITH. WE SAID WE NEED TO SHUT DOWN THE POWER TO THE SUBSTATION TO BE ABLE TO SAFELY WORK THERE. OF COURSE, THEY IMMEDIATELY WENT TO WORK TO SHUT DOWN THE POWER ON THE TRANSMISSION SIDE AND THE DISTRIBUTION SIDE OF THAT TO MAKE SURE IT WAS SAFE FOR OUR WORKERS. BUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT, THEY WERE LIKE, HEY, THIS IS GOING TO CUT POWER TO THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE AND WE WERE AFRAID OF CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE OUR HOSPITALS AND OUR SCHOOLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I IMMEDIATELY GOT ON THE PHONE WITH JOE LASTER, WHO STARTED CHECKING ON THOSE RESOURCES. A LITTLE WHILE LATER, JOE CALLS ME BACK AND HE'S LIKE, HEY, WE'RE DOWN TO LIKE 50 PEOPLE ARE WITHOUT POWER, AND THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE TO BEGIN WITH. I WAS AFRAID THAT SOMEHOW THE POWER STATION HAD COME BACK ON. I GET WITH ONCOR, AND I'M DOUBLE-CHECKING. ARE WE SURE THE POWER IS OFF? I'M GETTING REPORTS THAT POWER BACK ON, THINKING THAT MAYBE SOMETHING'S WRONG WITH THE WEBSITE. THEY SAID, NO, WE RE-ROUTED POWER TO YOUR COMMUNITY TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD POWER BACK ON FOR EVERYBODY IN THAT CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE. AGAIN, THEY WERE INCREDIBLE PARTNERS TO WORK WITH THROUGH THAT. THEY EVEN WENT AS FAR AS GROUNDING THE FIRE TRUCK THAT WAS THERE ON THE SCENE TO MAKE SURE IT WAS SAFE TO OPERATE BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THE POWER SHUT DOWN, THERE'S STILL RESIDUAL POWER IN THOSE LINES, AND IT COULD STILL ARC ACROSS. THEY DID EVERYTHING THEY COULD TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS SAFE FOR US TO OPERATE. BUT EMERGENCIES CONTINUE, EVEN WHEN WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A VERY HIGH TECHNICAL RESCUE. IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT, WE RAN NINE EMS CALLS, ONE STRUCTURE FIRE, AND ONE VEHICLE INTO A BUILDING. WE NEED TO THANK, OF COURSE, OUR DEPARTMENT FOR ALL OF THE RESPONDERS THAT CONTINUE TO OPERATE, AND OUR DISPATCH FOR CONTINUING TO DISPATCH THOSE CALLS. BUT ALVARADO, BRIAROAKS, CROWLEY, AND FORT WORTH FIRE, AND CAREFLITE ALL CAME TO ASSIST US IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT EMERGENCY. WE CAME TOGETHER AS A REGIONAL COMMUNITY TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE EMERGENCIES. BUT I'M INCREDIBLY PROUD OF OUR TEAM, AND THAT WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A POSITIVE OUTCOME. THE PATIENT THAT WE TRANSPORTED IN CRITICAL CONDITION IS STABLE AND HAS A SIGNIFICANT ROAD TO RECOVERY, BUT IS STABLE, AND SO WE'RE JUST SUPER THANKFUL FOR THE OUTCOME AND THE HARD WORK THAT OUR TEAM DID TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL RESCUE. THANK YOU. >> CASEY, YOU GUYS DID A GREAT JOB. THIS WAS ALL OVER THE TV AND PEOPLE DANGLING OFF OF THIS THING. IT WAS PUBLIC AND I WAS SO PROUD OF YOU GUYS. YOU DID A GREAT JOB. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> WELL, THANK YOU. THESE GUYS DESERVE IT. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT DID ALL THE WORK, SO I'M PROUD OF THEM AS WELL. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THAT BRINGS US TO A PRESENTATION OF APPRECIATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS FROM KENNA CHURCH WOMAN'S MINISTRY. >> MINISTRY DIRECTOR AT KENNA CHURCH HERE IN BURLESON. THIS IS OUR PASTOR, MY FAVORITE PASTOR, THANKFULLY, OF 28 YEARS NOW. IN OUR WOMEN'S MINISTRY, EACH YEAR, WE PUT TOGETHER AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR OF OUR LARGER GROUP EVENTS, SOMETHING THAT'S BECOME A STAPLE OF EVERY EVENT THAT WE DO, IS THAT WE SET ASIDE SOME TIME FOR THE WOMEN OF OUR CONGREGATION TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BOTH PRAY FOR AND CREATE SOME LITTLE GIFT OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BLESS SOME GROUP OR ENTITY OR OTHER MINISTRY THAT WE MIGHT PARTNER WITH IN OUR COMMUNITY. A FEW MONTHS AGO WHEN MY TEAM MET, WE DECIDED UPON ADOPTING BURLESON CITY COUNCIL FOR OUR PEOPLE TO BLESS OVER THIS LAST WEEKEND'S RETREAT THAT WE HAD. T. ANN ACTUALLY STEPPED UP FOR US, AND SHE PUT TOGETHER ALL THE THINGS THAT WE NEEDED FOR OUR WOMEN AT THE RETREAT, [00:25:02] TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME TIME TO PUT TOGETHER YOUR GIFT, AND AS WELL, ALMOST ALL OF OUR WOMEN, I THINK THERE WAS ABOUT 55 WOMEN WHO STOPPED AND PRAYED FOR EACH OF YOU, AND THEY PUT TOGETHER ACTUAL WRITTEN HAND NOTES TO YOU OF THANKS, AND AS WELL AS PRAYERS THAT ARE ALL IN THESE BAGS FOR YOU. SIX OR SEVEN NOTES ARE IN EACH BAG. WE JUST WANTED TO TAKE A CHANCE TO THANK YOU. PERSONALLY, KEVIN AND I KNOW THAT SERVICE AND MINISTRY TO PEOPLE WOULD BE EASY IF IT WASN'T FOR THE PEOPLE SOMETIMES, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT WOULDN'T BE FULFILLING WITHOUT THOSE SAME PEOPLE. WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO TO MAKE OUR CITY A BETTER PLACE TO BE. THE OTHER THING IS OUR TEAM WILL BE DEVOTED OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. EVERY TIME WE MEET, WE'LL PRAY FOR EACH OF YOU ON THE CITY COUNCIL BY NAME. WE JUST WANTED TO HAVE THAT CHANCE TO SAY THANK YOU. KEVIN'S GOING TO OFFER A WORD OF PRAYER FOR YOU. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY, OUR WOMEN'S MINISTRY IS JUST A TREMENDOUS OUTREACH FOR KENNA. THEY TRULY LOVE PEOPLE. I THINK WE AGREE TOGETHER THAT HUMAN FLOURISHING IS A GREAT GOAL, SOMETHING WE WANT TO SEE. I KNOW YOU GOVERN TOWARD THAT END, AND CERTAINLY, WE WORK TOWARD THAT END. IF YOU'LL ALLOW ME, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK THE LORD'S BLESSING ON YOU TO THAT END. FATHER, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR GOODNESS AND YOUR GRACE. I THANK YOU FOR THESE FOLKS WHO ARE WILLING TO PUT THEIR TIME IN AND THEIR EFFORTS AND LORD, TO SEE THE COMMUNITY FLOURISH AND DEVELOP. I KNOW THAT THE DECISIONS ARE NEVER BLACK AND WHITE DECISIONS, THAT THERE ARE ALWAYS CHALLENGES THAT COME WITH PERSPECTIVES AND WITH DIFFERENT ITEMS AND AGENDAS. LORD, WHAT I ASK IS THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THEM WISDOM, LORD, THAT YOU WOULD HELP US TO BE PARTNERS IN THE EXPANSION OF HUMAN FLOURISHING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND IN OUR CITY, AND THAT LORD, WE WOULD SEE PEOPLE GROW AND MATURE AND DEVELOP. LORD, WE'RE THANKFUL FOR THAT MUTUAL CALLING IN THE WAYS THAT WE SHARE THAT. LORD, BRING YOUR BLESSINGS ON THIS COUNCIL IN JESUS NAME, AMEN. >> AMEN. >> WHY DON'T WE GO DOWN FOR PICTURES, AND THEN WE CAN DO THE GIFT BAGS, TOO? >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 2C COMMUNITY INTEREST ITEMS. [2.C.Community Interest Items] [BACKGROUND] >> I'M GOING TO PICK ON ERIC THOMPSON FOR JUST A SECOND. THIS PAST WEEK, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO AUSTIN FOR THREE DAYS FOR THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. [00:30:02] LET'S SAY TEXAS WATER CONFERENCE. IT WAS AMAZING. I WILL TELL YOU, IT'S VERY ENLIGHTENING, AND IT JUST REALLY PERSONIFIED HOW GREAT OF A WATER DEPARTMENT SPECIFICALLY. ERIC THOMPSON IS AMAZING, AND I'M SO PROUD TO HAVE AN ENGINEER LIKE HIM ON STAFF. THERE WERE A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT I WAS LIKE, ERIC, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? HOW MANY PUMPS OR PRESSURE PUMPS DO WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF BURLESON? WELL, I HAPPENED TO BE SITTING WITH ONE OF THE ENGINEERS FROM THE TARRANT WATER DEPARTMENT AS WELL. HE WAS LIKE, WHAT DID Y'ALL'S TEST COME OUT? I WAS LIKE, WHY ARE YOU ASKING ME THIS? BUT I GAVE HIM THE ANSWERS, AND ERIC HAD TO HELP ME WITH THAT. WE HAVE A VERY POWERFUL SYSTEM. AGAIN, WORKING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR NEIGHBORS IS INCREDIBLE. THERE'S A LOT OF INNOVATION. THERE'S THAT WORD, ERIC, THAT I DID MESSAGE YOU AS WELL, WHICH WE'RE NOT QUITE READY FOR AN ENTIRE INNOVATION BOARD AS FAR AS OUR WATER, BUT THERE'S A LOT COMING DOWN THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK INTO DOWN THE ROAD, AND SOME TESTS THAT HAD TO BE DONE THAT WAS ALL AN UPROAR ABOUT WATER AND LEAD IN OUR WATER AND UNKNOWNS. ERIC WAS VERY QUICK TO TELL ME, WE WERE GOOD. WE HAD NO UNKNOWNS, WHICH IS EXCELLENT BECAUSE THERE WERE MANY OTHER COMMUNITIES THERE BUT THAT WAS NOT THE CASE. ERIC, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING SUCH A GREAT JOB AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD. YOU DON'T ALWAYS GET CREDIT FOR IT, BUT THIS TIME, I WAS VERY THANKFUL THAT I WAS THERE SITTING IN YOUR SEAT. [LAUGHTER] YOU'RE WELCOME. >> I HAVE TWO THINGS THAT I WANT TO BRING ATTENTION TO. OUR LIBRARY IS GOING TO HOST A PROJECT PROM. THEY'RE CURRENTLY TAKING DONATIONS THROUGH FEBRUARY 14TH. THEY ARE HOPING TO COLLECT GENTLY USED FORMAL WEAR AND DONATIONS INCLUDE DRESSES, SUITS, SHOES, AND ACCESSORIES. ALL OF YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS WILL HELP LOCAL TEENS ENJOY A MEMORABLE PROM NIGHT WITH HOPEFULLY RELIEVING SOME OF THOSE FINANCIAL BARRIERS. IF YOU HAVE ANY OF THOSE ITEMS LAYING AROUND, BE SURE TO DROP THEM BY THE LIBRARY BEFORE FEBRUARY 14TH. OUR SENIOR CENTER IS FIGURING OUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S TEMPERATURE IS ON HAVING A LOCAL ALZHEIMER'S ASSOCIATION CHAPTER. BURLESON DOES NOT CURRENTLY HAVE AN ALZHEIMER'S SUPPORT GROUP, BUT OUR ACTIVITY CENTER IS WORKING TO ESTABLISH ONE IN COLLABORATION WITH THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS CHAPTER OF THE ALZHEIMER'S ASSOCIATION. THIS COMING FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 7TH AT 1:00 PM, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE AN INTEREST MEETING. IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS IN YOUR HEART OR YOU KNOW SOMEONE WHO COULD BENEFIT FROM SAID GROUP, THEY WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR PARTICIPATION. COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE WELCOME TO JUST DROP IN 1:00 PM THIS FRIDAY AND PARTICIPATE IN GETTING A FEEL FOR THE INTEREST LEVEL IN OUR COMMUNITY OF HAVING AN ALZHEIMER SUPPORT GROUP. THANK YOU. >> THAT BRINGS US TO SECTION 3, [3. CHANGES TO POSTED AGENDA] CHANGES TO THE POSTED AGENDA. THREE A IS ITEMS TO BE CONTINUED OR WITHDRAWN, AND 3B ARE ITEMS TO BE WITHDRAWN FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION BY THE CITY COUNCIL, STAFF, OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IN ATTENDANCE. >> MADAM SECRETARY, I WOULD REQUEST THAT WE MOVE ITEM 7A AS HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN FROM THE APPLICANT. >> WE WILL NOTE THAT WHEN WE COME BACK, 7A IS NOW WITHDRAWN FROM THE AGENDA. THAT BRINGS US TO SECTION 4, CITIZEN'S APPEARANCE. [4. CITIZENS APPEARANCES] EACH PERSON IN ATTENDANCE WHO DESIRES TO SPEAK TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON AN ITEM NOT POSTED ON THE AGENDA, SPEAKS DURING THIS SECTION. SPEAKER CARDS MUST BE FILLED OUT AND TURNED INTO THE CITY SECRETARY PRIOR TO ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL, AND EACH SPEAKER WILL BE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES. EACH PERSON IN ATTENDANCE WHO DESIRES TO SPEAK TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON AN ITEM POSTED ON THE AGENDA SHALL SPEAK WHEN THAT ITEM IS CALLED FORWARD. THIS EVENING, I DO HAVE TWO SPEAKER CARDS FOR CITIZENS APPEARANCE. THE FIRST ONE IS LONNIE FREEMAN. >> MY NAME IS LONNIE FREEMAN, 604 DANIEL, HERE IN BURLESON. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT LOOKING THROUGH THE MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING, I SEE THAT OUR ADDRESSES ARE POSTED FOR THE CITIZENS' APPEARANCES. [00:35:03] I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO MAYBE REDUCT THOSE JUST FOR RIGHT OF PRIVACY. BUT IF Y'ALL CAN THINK ABOUT THAT. BACK ON JANUARY 1ST, I EMAILED EVERYBODY ON THE COUNCIL A LIST OF THINGS, AND I'LL BE BRIEF THIS TIME. I'LL FOCUS ON THE ONES CONCERNING OUR CHILDREN MAINLY, AND THAT'S FLUORIDE IN OUR CITY-PROVIDED WATER. I STILL HAVEN'T SEEN THE 2024, WATER REPORT FOR THE CITY OF FORT WORTH, WHERE WE GET OUR WATER FROM. BUT BACK IN 2023, IT DID LIST FLUORIDE IN OUR CITY WATER. AND THAT'S VERY DANGEROUS TO OUR COMMUNITY. THERE WAS THE INCIDENT WHERE THERE WAS POSSIBLE HUMAN TRAFFICKING AT THE MASSAGE PARLORS HERE IN BURLESON, AND I BELIEVE THAT THE STATE WAS THE ONE WHO SHUT THAT DOWN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT PART BURLESON POLICE HAD IN DOING THAT, BUT I DO FEEL THEY PROBABLY WERE A PART OF THAT. IF YOU WERE, I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU ALL FOR WHAT YOU DO. I JUST HOPE WE'RE STILL VIGILANT ON MAKING SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN WITHIN THE CITY. KNOWING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT I'M SURE THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF. WHICH BRINGS ME TO ANOTHER ISSUE IS THE AMOUNT OF REGISTERED SEX OFFENDERS THAT ARE IN OUR CITY. I HAVEN'T BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE, BUT JUST THINKING ALONG OUR LINES OF KEEPING OUR CHILDREN SAFE, I DON'T KNOW IF THE POLICE PATROLS HAVE THE ADDRESSES OF THOSE SEX OFFENDERS IN THEIR NOTES AND KEEP AN EXTRA EYE OUT ON THOSE HOUSES THAT HOUSE REGISTERED SEX OFFENDERS. BUT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU MAY BE LOOK AT. THE LAST THING IS, AGAIN, THE PLANET FITNESS HAS A POLICY TO ALLOW TRANSGENDER INDIVIDUALS TO GO INTO THE WOMEN'S LOCKER ROOM OR RESTROOM FACILITY? I FEEL THAT'S WRONG. THAT'S JUST A DANGER WAITING TO HAPPEN TO OUR YOUNG LADIES HERE IN TOWN. IT SAYS HERE ON YOUR NOTES THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO RESPOND TO ANYTHING THAT I'VE SAID OR EXPLAIN POLICY. CAN ANY OF YOU TELL ME HOW WE GO ABOUT GETTING ANY OF OUR ITEMS THAT CONCERN US ONTO THE AGENDA? >> LONNIE, IF YOU'LL SEND ANYBODY ON THE COUNCIL, ME, MAYOR OF BURLESON TX, WRITE WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ON THE AGENDA, I'LL GET IT TO THE CITY MANAGER. HE'LL MAKE A DECISION ON THAT, AND WE'LL TRY TO GET THAT DONE. ARE YOU UP? >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. >> NEXT SPEAKER IS BILL JANISH. >> BILL JANISH, 117 NORTHEAST CLINTON. I COULD ASK YOU GUYS, DO YOU KNOW THE MUFFIN MAN, BUT I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT A LADY THAT WAS HERE FOUR WEEKS AGO, WANDA. SHE STOOD BEFORE YOU GUYS AND TALKED ABOUT HERSELF BEING 83-YEARS-OLD, HAVING CANCER, NOT KNOWING HOW MUCH LONGER SHE HAS TO LIVE. SHE TALKED ABOUT HER 33-YEAR-OLD GRANDSON THAT'S DISABLED FROM INDUSTRIAL ACCIDENT. I WANT TO FOCUS ON HIM JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT. HE'S 33. ABOUT ALMOST 10 YEARS AGO, HE WAS INVOLVED IN A ACCIDENT WHERE HE WAS A CEMENT TRUCK DRIVER. HE'D GOTTEN OUT, WASHED OUT THE BACK OF THE TRUCK, WAS ATTEMPTING TO FOLD UP THE CHUTE, IS WHAT THEY CALL IT. THERE WAS A TRUCK, THE SIZE OF A FIRE TRUCK, FRONT END LOADER, DID NOT KNOW HE WAS BACK THERE, BACKED UP INTO HIM. WHEN THE GUY HIT THE TRUCK, SQUISHED HIM IN BETWEEN IT, THE MAN IN THE FRONT-END LOADER GASSED IT. HE HAD NO IDEA THE GUY WAS BACK THERE. THE MAN PUT IT IN PART, WATTLED HIS WAY BACK AROUND TO THE BACK AND ASKED HIM, HE WAS OKAY? HE'S LAYING THERE ON THE GROUND. HIS SIDES WERE SPLIT OPEN, HIS GUTS WERE LAYING ON THE GROUND, BLOOD EVERYWHERE. HIS HIP WAS SHATTERED. ALL HIS RIBS, PUNCTURED LUNG. HE COULD MUTTER THE WORDS, CALL 911. THE GUY LEFT HIM THERE IN THE PARKING LOT. ANOTHER WORKER JUST HAPPENED TO SEE HIM ABOUT FIVE MINUTES LATER, COME RUNNING OVER THERE. KNEEL DOWN AND SAID THE WORDS, WELL, I GUESS THEY WERE CURSE WORDS, FREAKED OUT ABOUT THE GUTS AND EVERYTHING LAYING THERE. SAID DO YOU NEED TO CALL ANYBODY? HE SAID, I'M NOT GOING TO LET YOU DIE, BUT DO YOU NEED TO CALL ANYBODY? HE SAID, YES, MY MOM. HE WAS ABLE TO GET HIS PHONE, DIAL HIS MOM, AND HE TALKED TO HER. HE WAS SAYING GOODBYE. THE GUY WAS SAYING, I'M NOT GOING TO LET YOU DIE. THE LAST THING HE CAN REMEMBER IS HEARING EMERGENCY VEHICLES COMING IN THE BACKGROUND. THAT'S ALL I COULD THINK ABOUT WHEN THE PARAMEDICS GOT THERE. THEY LET OUT SOME EXPLOSIVES. THEY HAD NEVER SEEN NOTHING LIKE GUTS LAYING ON THE GROUND AND ALL THE BLOOD AND THE TRAUMA. [00:40:02] THEY WRAPPED HIM LIKE WITH SARAN RAP, LIFTED HIS INNARDS, GOT HIM ON ON THE AMBULANCE, AND THEY TOO REPEATED, WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET YOU DIE. HE DID NOT DIE. HE SUFFERS FROM PAIN DAILY. LIKE SHE MENTIONED, HE DOES HAVE PTSD. WHEN SHE WAS UP HERE THAT DAY BEGGING FOR HELP, IT WAS RELAYED, AND I DO BELIEVE IT OUT OF GOOD FAITH, IT WAS RELAYED BACK TO HER. SOMEBODY THOUGHT SHE HAD CARBON MONOXIDE INTOXICATION. WITHIN 30 MINUTES WHEN SHE GOT HOME, FIRE TRUCK SHOWED UP. TWO FIRE TRUCKS, I THINK, 10 FIREMEN, AN AMBULANCE, THREE PARAMEDICS, A COUPLE OF POLICE OFFICERS, ONE AFTER THE OTHER. HER GRANDSON WAS OUTSIDE. THE NOISE TOOK HIM BACK TO THE DAY OF THE TRAUMA, TOOK HIM BACK, RE-VICTIMIZED HIM, AND ALL THAT. WHEN SOMEBODY COMES UP HERE, EVEN PASTOR BOB WAS HERE AND SAYS, SOMEONE, PLEASE HELP HER. WHEN SHE COME OUT OF HERE, I GOT HER NAME AND NUMBER. I DIDN'T GO OUT THERE FOR TWO DAYS. JUSTIN WAS SO TRAUMATIZED. HE LAID IN BED FOR TWO DAYS SHAKING. JUST THE NOISE TOOK HIM BACK TO THAT DAYS. WHEN YOU SENSE SOMETHING MIGHT BE WRONG, TAKE A BREAK. I MEAN ALLEN WILL LET YOU TAKE A BREAK, TOMMY, LET YOU TAKE A BREAK. TAKE A BREAK FOR A FEW MINUTES AND TALK TO THESE PEOPLE. HE WAS IN TEARS. APPRECIATE YOU GUYS. >> IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON AN ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA? THANK YOU. THAT'LL MOVE US ON TO SECTION 5, CONSENT AGENDA. [5. CONSENT AGENDA] ALL ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND WILL BE ENACTED WITH ONE MOTION. THERE'LL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION FOR THE ITEMS. APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA AUTHORIZES THE CITY MANAGER TO IMPLEMENT THESE ITEMS IN ACCORDANCE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. THIS EVENING, THE CONSENT AGENDA IS 5A-5G WITH ITEM 5ES APPROVAL BEING SUBJECT TO CITY ATTORNEY APPROVAL. >> WHERE ARE WE AT? >> MAYOR, COULD YOU CALL FOR A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? >> IS THERE A MOTION ON CONSENT AGENDA? BEFORE THIS? I HAVE A MOTION BY DAN AND I HAVE A SECOND BY ADAM. PLEASE VOTE. PASS IS UNANIMOUS. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THAT BRINGS US TO SECTION 6, EXECUTIVE SESSION. AT THIS TIME, THERE IS A NEED TO CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVES. >> LET ME ASK A QUESTION. HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON THE 8A, THE TRASH? DO WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE THAT UP AHEAD OF THE. >> IF YOU MOVE IT AFTER THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. >> OKAY. WE'LL DO IT AFTER THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. YOU WON'T TO STAY HERE AS LONG. WHERE ARE WE AT? >> ALLOW ME TO READ THAT PART AGAIN, [6. RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION] SECTION 6, EXECUTIVE SESSION, IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER 551.071 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE. THE CITY COUNCIL WILL CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION IN THE COUNCIL WORKROOM AND CITY HALL TO CONDUCT A CLOSED MEETING. >> IS THERE A MOTION TO CONVENE INTO TEXAS EXECUTIVE SESSION? I HAVE A MOTION BY DAN AND A SECOND BY ADAM, PLEASE VOTE. [NOISE] PASS IS UNANIMOUS. WE'RE GOING TO GO IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 6:18. IS THERE A MOTION TO RECONVENE INTO IRREGULAR SESSION? [BACKGROUND] I GOT A MOTION BY ADAM AND A SECOND BY ALEXA. PLEASE VOTE. THE PASS IS UNANIMOUS. WE'RE BACK IN SESSION AT 6:39. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. IN CONSIDERATION FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON A PARTICULAR ITEM. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO SECTION 8, REPORTS AND PRESENTATIONS. [8.A.Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction regarding proposed fees and service changes associated with the solid waste program. (Staff Contact: Richard Abernethy, Administrative Services Director)] WE'RE MOVING UP 8A ONLY, 8A IS TO RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION, AND PROVIDE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING PROPOSED FEES AND SERVICE CHANGES ASSOCIATED WITH SOLID WASTE PROGRAM. THE STAFF PRESENTER THIS EVENING IS RICHARD ABERNETHY, ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES DIRECTOR. MR. ABERNETHY. >> YES. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THE PRESENTATION IN FRONT OF YOU NIGHT IS A FOLLOW-UP FROM THE PRESENTATION WE [00:45:03] DID BACK IN JANUARY ON THE SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING CONTRACT PROPOSAL OPTIONS. JUST A QUICK BACKGROUND AGAIN ON THIS ITEM. IN MAY OF 2024, STAFF DID PRESENT SOME OPTIONS TO CITY COUNCIL ABOUT POTENTIALLY IMPLEMENTING A STREET MAINTENANCE AND STORMWATER UTILITY FEE. AS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION, STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDED BUDGETING FOR A CONSULTANT TO EVALUATE THE CITY'S SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING PROGRAM AND FIND WAYS TO POTENTIALLY REDUCE THE COST FOR THAT SERVICE TO HELP OFFSET ANY POTENTIAL INCREASE IN THE STORMWATER OR POTENTIAL STREET MAINTENANCE FEE. AS PART OF THAT, REALLY LOOKING AT WAYS YOU COULD MAINTAIN SAME SERVICE LEVELS THROUGH EITHER AN OPTION LIKE A ONCE-A-WEEK POLY CART COLLECTION OR ADDITIONALLY EXPLORING FRANCHISE IN THE COMMERCIAL MARKET TO A SINGLE VENDOR. CITY COUNCIL DID GET CONSENSUS TO THAT. IN JULY OF 2024, THE CITY HIRED SOLID WASTE SPECIALIST TO HELP WITH THE PROJECT. IN SEPTEMBER, SOLID WASTE SPECIALIST AND THE CITY DID ENGAGE WITH WASTE CONNECTIONS TO LOOK AT NEGOTIATIONS AND AMENDMENTS TO THE CONTRACT. IT WAS TREATED LIKE AN RFP-STYLE FORMAT SO THAT WE COULD LOOK AT EACH PROPOSAL EQUALLY AND GET A COMPARISON. THEY DID, IN TURN, SUBMIT THEIR PROPOSALS TO US IN NOVEMBER. WE PRESENTED THOSE PROPOSALS TO YOU ON JANUARY 6TH. THEN COUNSEL DID REQUEST STAFF PRESENT ANOTHER DISCUSSION ITEM WITH ADDITIONAL COLLECTION OPTIONS TONIGHT FOR YOU, AND WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO DO THAT. REAL QUICK, JUST A RECAP ON THE PROPOSALS. FOR ANY OF THE OPTIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED BY WASTE CONNECTIONS, IT DID HAVE THE SAME PROVISIONS. FOR THESE CHANGES, IN EXCHANGE, ADDING TWO YEARS TO THE CURRENT CONTRACT. BUT ALL THE CONTRACT OPTIONS AND SERVICE OPTIONS PROVIDED, THERE WOULD BE A 5% CAP ON ANNUAL INCREASES, THE INCLUSION OF PENALTIES FOR NON-PERFORMANCE OF THE CONTRACT, UNUSUAL ACCUMULATION COLLECTION OPTIONS FOR RESIDENTS. THEN ALSO, WE ASKED THEM TO LOOK AT A HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE COLLECTION CURBSIDE PROGRAM AND SEE IF THEY COULD PRESENT THAT OPTION. SO THEY DID, AND THAT COST IS AT A DOLLAR PER HOME PER MONTH. ALL HOMES WOULD BE BILLED FOR IT, BUT THE SERVICE WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THE RESIDENTS TO USE ON A MONTHLY BASIS. THEN WE ALSO ASKED THEM TO KEEP SMALL WEEKLY BRUSH AND MONTHLY BRUSH AND BULK COLLECTION WITHIN ANY OF THE SERVICE OPTIONS THEY PROPOSED. JUST AS A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION THAT WE GOT AT THE LAST MEETING, IT WAS ASKED ABOUT THE THREE CUBIC YARD REQUIREMENT FOR THE SMALL BRUSH, AND IF YOU COULD PUT BAGS OF LEAVES OR GENERAL TRASH WITH THAT SERVICE, AND THAT IS THE CASE. YOU CAN EITHER USE THE PAPER BAGS YOU SEE, YOU GET AT HOME DEPOT OR JUST A TYPICAL STANDARD PLASTIC TRASH BAG. AGAIN, AS LONG AS IT MEETS THAT THREE CUBIC YARD REQUIREMENT, YOU CAN PUT IT OUT THERE WITH THE SMALL BRUSH. THIS IS JUST A QUICK SNAPSHOT OF OUR CURRENT SERVICE. AGAIN, TWO TIMES PER WEEK IN BAGS FOR SOLID WASTE, AND THEN ONCE PER WEEK RECYCLING IN A 65-GALLON CART. THEN WE HAVE THE ONCE-A-WEEK SMALL BRUSH AND THE ONCE-PER-MONTH BRUSH AND BULK. OUR CURRENT CONTRACT EXPIRES ON SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2029, WITH WASTE CONNECTIONS, AND THE CURRENT RATE THAT WASTE CONNECTIONS CHARGES US IS $20.49 A MONTH. THAT RATE IS PASSED ON TO THE RESIDENTS, BUT THERE'S ALSO ADDITIONAL FEES WE DO INCLUDE IN THE RATE TO OUR CITIZENS, COST FOR ADMINISTRATIVE OVERHEAD, LITTER ABATEMENT, AND FRANCHISE FEES. THE COST THE RESIDENT PAYS IS ACTUALLY $24.23, AND THEN SALES TAX WOULD APPLY. IN OUR CURRENT RATE AT $24.23, WHEN YOU ADD THE SALES TAX IN, IT'S ACTUALLY 26.23, IT'S WHAT THE RESIDENT PAYS. AT THE LAST MEETING, WE PROVIDED TWO SETS OF OPTIONS FOR YOU. ONE, AN OPEN COMMERCIAL MARKET, WHICH IS WHAT BURLESON HAS TODAY, AND THEN ANOTHER SET OF OPTIONS IF WE CLOSED THE MARKET AND AWARDED THE COMMERCIAL FRANCHISE TO WASTE CONNECTIONS. WE'VE GOT THE THREE OPTIONS HERE, AND JUST ONE NOTE THAT WE DID DIFFERENT LAST TIME WE SHOWED YOU THE RATE THAT WE PAID WASTE CONNECTIONS, AND THEN ALL THE FEES, WHAT THE FEES WOULD BE, WHAT WOULD BE AFTER WE ADD ALL OUR FEES IN. BUT IN THIS CASE, WE DID THAT, BUT WE ALSO MADE SURE TO SHOW YOU WITHOUT THE HOUSEHOLD WASTE OPTION AND WITH. FOR EXAMPLE, ON OPTION 1, THE $24.23, THAT'S WITHOUT THE HOUSEHOLD WASTE PROGRAM. THE $25.31 IS WITH THAT PROGRAM. JUST TO SET THAT UP AS WE GO THROUGH THESE OPTIONS. OPTION 1 IS KEEPING OUR CURRENT SERVICE AS IS IN AN OPEN MARKET. THAT WOULD BE THE TAKE-ALL PROGRAM WE HAVE TODAY, TRASH BAGS, NOT CARTS, TWO TIMES A WEEK, WITH ONCE A WEEK, RECYCLING, AND THEN AGAIN, THE SMALL BRUSH AND BRUSH IN BULK. OPTION 2 IN THE OPEN MARKET IS ACTUALLY TWO TIMES PER WEEK IN A 95-GALLON CART AND ONCE PER WEEK IN A 65-GALLON CART FOR RECYCLING. AGAIN, YOU KEEP THE SMALL BRUSH, YOU KEEP THE MONTHLY BRUSH IN BULK AS WELL. THEN OPTION 3 WOULD BE ONCE PER WEEK IN A 95-GALLON CART FOR TRASH, [00:50:04] AND THEN ONCE PER WEEK IN A 95-GALLON CART RECYCLING WITH THE SAME OPTIONS ACROSS THE BOARD. YOU CAN SEE IN THE OPEN MARKET, THE PRICES ARE ACTUALLY EITHER A LITTLE BIT MORE ON OPTION 2 THAN WHAT WE PAY NOW, AND THEN RIGHT ABOUT WHERE WE ARE TODAY. WHEN YOU GO TO THE CLOSED MARKET, THE SAME OPTIONS ARE PRESENTED HERE. IF YOU KEPT THE CURRENT SERVICE IN A CLOSED MARKET, AGAIN, THE TWO TIMES A WEEK IN BAGS, ONCE PER WEEK IN 65-GALLON CART FOR RECYCLING, THE RATES STAY ABOUT THE SAME. BUT THEN WHEN YOU GET INTO THE SECOND OPTION FOR TWO TIMES PER WEEK IN A 95-GALLON CART, THE RATE DOES GO DOWN MUCH MORE. THEN OPTION 3 IS THE ONCE PER WEEK IN A 95-GALLON CART FOR RECYCLING. AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THAT PRICE IS MUCH LOWER. THIS IS JUST QUICKLY, WE SHOWED THIS IN THE LAST PRESENTATION. IT'S A SIDE-BY-SIDE COMPARISON OF THE OPEN VERSUS CLOSED COMMERCIAL PRICING. AGAIN, WE MENTIONED THE LAST PRESENTATION, AND I WANT TO MENTION AGAIN THAT WE DO HAVE SEVERAL RESIDENTS COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES THAT USE OUR WASTE CONNECTIONS COLLECTION SERVICE. UNDER THAT SERVICE, THEY WOULD DO CARTS, BUT THEY WOULD STILL MAINTAIN THE SAME PRICE THEY PAY A DAY FOR THAT SERVICE. >> NOW MOVING ON WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ADDITIONAL OPTIONS THAT WERE REQUESTED BY CITY COUNCIL LAST MEETING. THE FIRST ONE WAS, COUNCIL REQUESTED A ONCE A WEEK COLLECTION OPTION WHERE YOU DO ONCE A WEEK SOLID WASTE COLLECTION AND A 95-GALLON CART, BUT YOU KEEP YOUR 65-GALLON CART FOR RECYCLING. AT THE TIME AT THE MEETING, WASTE CONNECTION SAID IT WOULD BE BETWEEN 0.20-0.40 DECREASE. SINCE THEN, THEY HAVE COME BACK. IT WAS AN ACTUAL 0.40 DECREASE. THEY DID CONFIRM THAT. IT WOULD BE AT $13.12 PER MONTH, BUT IT WOULD ONLY APPLY TO A CLOSED MARKET OPTION. WE ALSO GOT A REQUEST FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS TO LOOK AT TWICE A WEEK COLLECTION, AND INSTEAD OF USING A 95-GALLON CART TWO TIMES A WEEK FOR SOLID WASTE, WE JUST KEEP A 65-GALLON CART. WE WORKED TO WASTE CONNECTIONS ON THAT. IT DID GO DOWN TO ABOUT $0.10-$17.20 PER MONTH, AND AGAIN, IT WOULD BE APPLIED TO A CLOSE MARKET OPTION AS WELL. IN ADDITION, STAFF ASKED WASTE CONNECTIONS. THERE'S ANY WAYS WE COULD REDUCE THE COST FOR THE EXTRA CART FEE. CURRENTLY, IT STANDS AT $7. THEY DID COME BACK AND REALLY, WE DIDN'T ASK THEM TO DO THIS, BUT THEY DID SEND IN FOR A ONCE A WEEK. THEY WOULD REDUCE THAT TO $5. IN ADDITION, THEY GAVE US SOME SCENARIOS IF YOU WANTED TO REDUCE THAT CART FEE EVEN MORE AND WHAT THE INCREASE WOULD BE ON THE MONTHLY RATE. FOR EXAMPLE, A $2 EXTRA CART FEE WOULD BE A 0.50 INCREASE TO THE MONTHLY RATE RESPECTFULLY, AND THEN $1 WOULD BE ABOUT A $0.60 INCREASE. THIS BREAKS DOWN THOSE ADDITIONAL REQUESTED COLLECTION OPTIONS IN MORE DETAIL. I CALL IT OPTION 3(A), BUT IT'S THE ONCE A WEEK, SOLID WASTE IN THE 95-GALLON CART, BUT KEEPING THE 65-GALLON CART FOR RECYCLING, AND YOU CAN SEE THE PRICE DIFFERENCE THERE AGAIN. IT IS A BIT OF A SAVINGS. THEN OPTION 2 IN THE CLOSED MARKET, THAT WAS THE TWO TIMES A WEEK IN A 95-GALLON CART FOR TRASH AND ONCE A WEEK IN THE RECYCLING FOR 65-GALLON CART. THEN 2(A) IS THE ONE WE SAID, WE JUST CHANGED OUT THE 95-GALLON TO A 65-GALLON, SO YOU CAN SEE THE PRICE THERE, TOO. AGAIN, IT DID. IT IS ABOUT A 0.10 DECREASE DOING AT THAT OPTION WAS ONE TO PURSUE. IN ADDITION, WE WENT BACK AND ALSO LOOKED AT WHAT IS OUR HISTORICAL RATE INCREASE OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS WITH WASTE CONNECTIONS. YOU CAN SEE THERE IT'S ABOUT A 5.2% INCREASE ON AVERAGE. IF YOU REMOVE THE HIGHS AND LOWS, IT'S ABOUT A 5.33% AVERAGE. WITH THAT INFORMATION, WE ALSO WANTED TO SHOW Y'ALL THIS IS WHAT THE PROJECTED INCREASE WOULD LOOK LIKE, AGAIN, WITH THE HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE AND WITHOUT. YOU CAN SEE HERE OPTION 1 AND OPTION 2 IN BOTH THE CLOSE AND OPEN COMMERCIAL MARKET. WE DID THE 5.33%, BECAUSE AGAIN, OUR CURRENT CONTRACT DOESN'T HAVE THAT 5% CAP. YOU CAN SEE THE INCREASE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, AGAIN, FIRST NUMBERS WITHOUT HHW, SECOND IS WITH. THEN OPTION 2 AND 3 IN BOTH THE OPEN AND CLOSED COMMERCIAL MARKET, AGAIN, THAT'S AT THE 5% CAP ASSUMING THAT CONTRACT, AND SO YOU CAN SEE THOSE RATE PROJECTIONS AS WELL. ALSO, JUST GIVEN A RUNDOWN OF THE TOTAL RATE WITH SALES TAX FOR CURRENT YEAR, LOOKING AT ALL THE OPTIONS, WHAT WOULD THEY BE? YOU CAN SEE WHAT THAT SALES TAX RATE WOULD BE WITHOUT THE HHW AND WITH, AND AGAIN, I'VE GOT THE OPEN COMMERCIAL MARKET OPTIONS, THE CLOSED COMMERCIAL OPTIONS, AND THEN ALSO THOSE ADDITIONAL OPTIONS THAT WERE REQUESTED FOR US TO LOOK AT. AGAIN, JUST TO POINT OUT UNDER THE CURRENT SERVICE, AGAIN, WITHOUT THE HHW IS WHERE IT STANDS TODAY AT $26.23 WITH THAT SALES TAX. [00:55:04] OVERALL, WE PRESENTED ALL THE OPTIONS, AND WE DID PRESENT SOME OF THE FEEDBACK AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT RESIDENTS MAY HAVE. BUT, SINCE THEN WE'VE GOT OTHER FEEDBACK FROM RESIDENTS THAT WE WANT TO SHARE. THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT ODOR, ALSO PARKING BEING AN ISSUE WITH THE CARTS BEING OUT ON THE STREET. ALSO WIND BLOWN OR WATER, POSSIBLY KNOCKING THEM OVER. THEN ALSO WE DO OFFER THE ASSISTANCE FOR SENIORS AND DISABLED RESIDENTS WHO PICK WE HAVE THE CURB SIDE, THEY'LL COME AND ACTUALLY MOVE THE CAR. BUT WE DID HAVE SOME CONCERNS THAT MAYBE IT WOULD BE HARD ONE NOT NECESSARILY FROM THE CURB TO THE TRUCK, BUT THE PERSON BEING ABLE TO ACTUALLY PUT THE TRASH INTO THE CART FROM WITHIN THEIR OWN HOUSE. BUT I THINK OVERALL, WE'VE TRIED TO COVER ALL THE OPTIONS AND AS WELL AS THE CONCERNS. BUT THE NEXT STEPS REALLY WOULD BE JUST TO SEEK CONSENSUS FROM CITY COUNCIL, IF COUNCIL WANTS TO EITHER MAINTAIN THE CURRENT SERVICE OR CHOOSE ONE OF THESE SERVICE OPTIONS, THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE IS TO HOLD INFORMATIONAL SESSIONS WITH BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS, AND THEN, AGAIN, IT WOULD REQUIRE US TO AMEND THE CONTRACT AND BRING THAT BACK FOR YOUR FINAL APPROVAL. I'VE ALSO HAD SOME APPENDIX SLIDES FROM THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION FOR REFERENCE, BUT I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> NOW WE GOT A GOOD PROGRAM, AND IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS BEEN HIT UP A LOT ABOUT HAVING THE SECOND PICKUP. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I'M HAPPY WITH THE PRICING. I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE A LOT MORE THAN THAT. IT'S OPEN TO DISCUSSION UP HERE. I NEED SOME COMMENTS ON YOU GUYS. >> RICHARD, MY FIRST QUESTION IS, WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING INTO THE COMMERCIAL PART OF IT, THERE WERE SEVERAL ASPECTS THAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT, NOT JUST THE PRICE, BUT I'M GOING THE DIRECTION OF THE WEAR AND TEAR ON OUR CURRENT STREETS AND ROADWAYS. CAN YOU DIG A LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO THAT? >> SURE. >> IN FACT, I'LL JUMP TO THAT SLIDE IN THE APPENDIX. THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. REALLY, WITH GOING TO THE COMMERCIAL MARKET, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT COULD ADDRESS SOME CONCERNS IS, AGAIN IT'S CONSISTENT RATES FOR ALL BUSINESSES. I WOULD FOLLOW THAT SAME 5% CAP PER THE CONTRACT EVERY YEAR. IT WOULD BE REGULATED. AGAIN, LESS WEAR AND TEAR ON THE STREETS, YOU'D HAVE LESS TRASH TRUCKS AT DIFFERENT COMPANIES ON THE STREET. FROM AN ASSET MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT, YOU'D ONLY HAVE ONE SINGLE VENDOR. ALSO, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE BINS AND THOSE DUMPSTERS ARE ALL UNIFORM, SAME COLOR, A BAIT FOR GRAFFITI. THEN ALSO, YOU HAVE A SINGLE POINT OF CONTACT FOR THE CITY TO ENSURE THAT, WE ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS THAT MAY BE GOING ON. BUT THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE OPTIONS WE LOOKED AT IN WORKING THROUGH THIS PROJECT. >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, AT THIS TIME, I DO HAVE SOME WRITTEN STATEMENTS FROM COUNCILMEMBER SCOTT WHO COULD NOT BE PRESENT THIS EVENING, SO IF YOU'LL ALLOW ME TO READ THOSE INTO FOR Y'ALL'S CONSIDERATION, SO YOU'D SEE HIS POINT OF VIEW. IN JULY OF 2024, THE CITY OF BURLESON CONTRACTED SOLID WASTE SPECIALIST, SWS, TO HELP WITH PRICING AND CONTRACTUAL NEGOTIATIONS WITH WASTE CONNECTION THROUGH AN RFP. IN NOVEMBER OF 2024, WASTE CONNECTIONS PRESENTED A PROPOSAL WITH SEVERAL OPTIONS. THIS ACTION WAS INITIATED BY COUNSEL'S DESIRE TO REDUCE THE SOLID WASTE SERVICE RATE ENOUGH TO COVER THE STREET MAINTENANCE FEE. THE PROPOSALS CAME BACK WITH SEVERAL RESTRICTIONS AND THE CHANGES TO OUR SOLID WASTE SERVICE, WHICH BENEFITED WASTE CONNECTION, BUT NOT WITH RESULTS THAT MATCHED THE INTENT OF COUNCIL'S AGENDA. THE LATEST BURLESON CITIZEN SURVEY SHOWED 90% APPROVAL OF OUR CITY'S SOLID WASTE SERVICE, COMPARED TO 47% ACROSS THE STATE. THIS WOULD TELL ME THAT OUR SISTER CITIES ARE HIGHLY LIKELY TO HAVE AN APPROVAL RATE LOWER THAN THE CITY OF BURLESON, BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT THEIR SERVICE TO SET THE STANDARD FOR OUR CITY. THE CITIZENS SPOKE LOUDLY AND WE'RE HEARD. THEY ARE SATISFIED WITH THEIR CURRENT SERVICE. WE MUST TAKE CHARGE OF THE SITUATION AND PRESENT OUR COLLECTIVE EXPECTATIONS TO STAFF FOR A SUCCESSFUL NEGOTIATION. BELOW ARE TWO OPTIONS I PROPOSE TO THE COUNCIL AND STAFF. OPTION 1. THIS IS WASTE MANAGEMENT'S BENEFIT. ONE, A CLOSED COMMERCIAL MARKET AT THE COMPETITIVE RATE PROPOSED BY WASTE CONNECTION, EFFECTIVE 11, 2026 WITH A COMMERCIAL FRANCHISE AGREEMENT BASED ON PRESENTATION CRITERIA UNTIL SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2031, INCLUDING NEGOTIATED ANNUAL CAPS FOR COMMERCIAL PRICING. TWO, WASTE CONNECTIONS CURRENT RESIDENTIAL FRANCHISE AGREEMENT [01:00:04] WILL BE EXTENDED [NOISE] FROM SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2029 TO SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2031. THE CITIZEN OF BURLESON REQUIREMENTS. CONTINUE THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL FRANCHISE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF BURLESON WASTE CONNECTION WITH EXCEPTIONS. THE FIRST EXCEPTION. CONTINUE WITH AN ANNUAL RESIDENTIAL RATE INCREASE BASED ON THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX FOR ALL CONSUMERS. USE THE EXISTING MULTIPLIER OF 91% TO CALCULATE THE CPI COMPONENT. EXCEPTION 2, PLACE A 5% CAP ON THE ANNUAL RESIDENTIAL RATE INCREASE. EXCEPTION 3, INCLUDE THE OPTION FOR HOUSEHOLD WASTE COLLECTION HHW AT $1 PER HOUSE MONTH ALL HOMES BUILD. EXCEPTION 4, ADJUST THE RESIDENTIAL RATE NOT TO EXCEED $19.47. THIS WILL ALLOW A MARGIN FOR THE PROPOSED STREET MAINTENANCE FEE. EXCEPTION 5. INCLUDE AN OPTION IN THE CURRENT AGREEMENT, ALLOWING CITIZENS TO CHOOSE BETWEEN A 65 AND A 95-GALLON CONTAINER FOR SOLID WASTE IN PLACE OF BAGS, INCLUDING ANY APPLICABLE RATE CHARGES. THIS EXCEPTION WILL ALLOW CITIZENS TO CHOOSE BETWEEN BAGS OR BINS. EXCEPTION 6. CHANGE HANDICAP RESIDENTIAL UNIT UNDER SECTION 4(C) TO READ, SENIORS OR THOSE WITH DISABILITIES, AND INCLUDE VERBIAGE FOR SENIORS WITHIN THE PARAGRAPH. THIS WILL ALLOW SENIORS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE SERVICE. EXCEPTION 7, CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF HANDICAP RESIDENTIAL UNIT TO CITIZENS OR THOSE WITH DISABILITY. THIS INCLUDES VERBIAGE FOR SENIORS WITHIN THE PARAGRAPH. THE OTHER OPTION, OPTION 2 IS TO CONTINUE WITH THE EXISTING AGREEMENT UNTIL ITS EXPIRATION ON SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2029. THE GOAL OF REQUESTING AN RFP FOR PRICING WAS SIMPLY THAT. WE WERE LOOKING FOR PRICING RELIEF, NOT A COMPLETE REVAMPING OF OUR SOLID WASTE SERVICE. MINOR CHANGES WOULD HAVE BEEN EXPECTED. THE NEW SERVICE OFFERED ARE UNREALISTIC FOR THE CITY OF BURLESON AT THIS TIME, AND THE PRICING OPTIONS ARE TOO VOLATILE. THIS IS NOT A REFLECTION ON WASTE CONNECTIONS. THEY PRESENT COMPLETED DATA BASED ON THIRD PARTY REQUEST. LET'S RETURN TO SIMPLE SOLUTIONS AND CLOSE THIS CHAPTER ON THE NEVER ENDING STORY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, COUNCILMEMBER SCOTT. >> RICHARD, DO YOU MIND GOING BACK TO SLIDE 12? >> THAT'S WHERE YOU HAD ALL THE NUMBERS. >> YES. >> I KNOW EVERYBODY'S BEEN DROWNING IN NUMBERS TONIGHT. BUT LET'S JUST FOCUS ON OPTION T AT THE BOTTOM ON THE CLOSE MARKET. OPTION ONE IS OUR CURRENT SERVICE, AND REALLY THAT HAZARDOUS WASTE DOESN'T APPLY, SO IT'S THE FIRST NUMBER. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN $21.87, BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING WE WOULD DO THE HAZARDOUS WASTE VERSUS THE 23 13, THE DIFFERENCE IS A 26 A MONTH. AND THEN YOU GO FORWARD FOUR YEARS, AND THE DIFFERENCE IS $1.68. NOW, I DO WANT TO JUST PREFACE THIS. I APPRECIATE SOLID WASTE SPECIALISTS AND CITY STAFF AND WASTE CONNECTIONS FOR COMING TOGETHER TO TRY TO ANSWER A QUESTION THAT COUNCIL HAD, AND I ALSO MUCH APPRECIATE THE CITIZENS FEEDBACK, BECAUSE THAT'S WHY WE'RE BRINGING THIS BACK UP AGAIN TONIGHT. MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE JUST TO LEAVE IT ALONE UNTIL 29, AND THEN STRESS THE FACT TO THE CITIZENS THAT WHEN WE PUT THIS OUT FOR RFP FOR EVERYBODY, WHICH WILL HAVE MULTIPLE VENDORS, THERE IS A HIGH LIKELIHOOD THAT THE BAGS ARE GOING TO GO AWAY, BECAUSE PROBABLY NOBODY'S GOING TO BID. AND THEN TO ALSO STRESS TO THE BUSINESSES THAT THE COMMERCIAL MARKET WILL PROBABLY END UP BEING CLOSED AS A PART IN ORDER TO GET THE RESIDENTIAL MARKET DOWN TO GET A MORE REASONABLE PRICE BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE LOOKING AT THE TOP PORTION, THE SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN HAVING AN OPEN MARKET FOR WHAT VERSUS HAVING THE CLOSED MARKET ON THE RESIDENTS. AND THEN THAT GIVES US ENOUGH LEAD TIME TO GET THE WORD OUT TO EVERYBODY SAYING. RENEW YOUR CONTRACTS NOW, BUT THEN OCTOBER 1ST, 29TH, WE WILL BE IT'S GOING TO CHANGE. BUT JUST TO TRY TO MAKE IT SIMPLE. MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE LET'S JUST LEAVE IT ALONE FOR NOW. >> I APPRECIATE THAT AND ECHO THOSE SAME SENTIMENTS OF, WE PUT THIS OUT THERE BECAUSE WE WANTED TO EVALUATE OPTIONS. ULTIMATELY, AS COUNCIL MEMBER SCOTT SAID, IT WAS ABOUT, RELIEF TO THE CITIZENS AND THE HOMEOWNERS, AND IT WAS A LOT AT ONE TIME, [01:05:02] AND IT'S A LOT AND I THINK WE'VE EVALUATED IT AS WE SHOULD BE GOOD STEWARDS AND CONSTANTLY EVALUATING ALL THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE? ARE WE GIVING CITIZENS THE BEST SERVICE FOR THE BEST PRICE AND ENSURING THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE'RE NOT OVERTURNING. BUT I AGREE, I THINK WE NEED TO SIT ON IT, BUT WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO GO OFF OF. WE'VE HEARD FROM A NUMBER COMPETITORS, AND SISTER CITIES THAT ARE THAT ARE EXPERIENCING CHANGE THIS YEAR AND WHAT THEY HAVE GOING FORWARD. WE KNOW NOW THAT WE CAN ANTICIPATE THINGS LIKE BAGS IN 3-5 YEARS BE A THING OF THE PAST, AT LEAST FOR ANYONE THAT'S GOING TO BE GIVING A COMPARABLE BID. I AGREE, IF WE'RE TRYING TO IF WE CAN DO SOME FRONT END WORK, THESE ARE SOME ANTICIPATED CHANGES THAT WE CAN ANTICIPATE OR COMING. EXPECT THESE IN THE QUOTES THAT WE'RE GOING TO RECEIVE. THEN WE CAN BETTER PREPARE THE CITIZENS FOR IT. IT'S A VERY BIG COMPLIMENT TO THE SERVICES THAT WE CURRENTLY RECEIVE THAT WE GET SUCH HIGH RATINGS, AND WE'VE OVERWHELMINGLY HEARD FROM CITIZENS. MUCH MORE SO THAN WE HEARD FROM THOSE THAT WERE OKAY WITH BINS ARE OKAY WITH THIS, BUT MAYBE WE STILL NEED TO CONSIDER THIS. THERE'S JUST SO MANY DETAILS TO THIS. IT'S NOT JUST A EASY LIKE, TRANSITION. THERE'S JUST SO MUCH TO IT. CAN WE DO THIS? COULD WE DO THIS? AND WE HAVE A LOT TO EVALUATE GOING FORWARD, WHETHER IT IS TO CONSIDER OTHER FEE OPTIONS AND THINGS THAT WE HAVE ON THE HORIZON. BUT AT THIS TIME, BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE REPRESENT, I DON'T THINK IT'S A SERVICE THAT WE SHOULD TOUCH. >> I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH YOU. AND THE OTHER PART IS, WE DID THIS BECAUSE WE WERE, WE ASKED STAFF TO LOOK INTO IT BECAUSE WE WERE LOOKING AT WAYS TO SAVE OUR CITIZENS MONEY. BECAUSE WE HEAR YOU SAYING, DON'T GIVE ME ANY MORE FEES, DON'T GIVE ME ANY MORE FEES, WHICH SPURRED OUR THOUGHT PROCESS IN GETTING OUR STAFF TO GO AND LOOK INTO IT DEEPER TO SEE, WHERE CAN WE SAVE MONEY? WE CAN WE MAKE IT UP FOR OUR ROADWAYS AND OUR STREET MAINTENANCE AND TRASH. I WILL HONESTLY I WILL BE VERY HONEST WITH YOU ON THIS. I HAD NO IDEA HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT TRASH. BOY, DID WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR? I WILL NEVER LOOK AT THE TRASH PILED UP ON MONDAYS AND THURSDAYS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THE SAME EVER AGAIN. BUT WE DID THIS WITH THE INTENTION TO SAVE YOU, THE CITIZENS, INCLUDING ALL OF US THAT ARE SITTING UP HERE TO SAVE US MONEY. I THINK THAT RIGHT NOW, JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE STILL WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, BUT THERE ARE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE. ONE BEING THE POLY CARTS JUST LIKE OUR SURROUNDING TOWNS HAVE ALREADY GONE TO. IT IS A CHANGE, AND IT IS TRASH, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS TAKEN CARE OF IN A HEALTHY MANNER. AGAIN, I JUST WANTED ALL TO KNOW, LIKE, WE WERE DOING THIS TO SAVE MONEY. >> BUT OUT ALL THE CONTACTS AND EMAILS AND AND CONVERSATIONS I HAD ABOUT IT NOT ONE PERSON SAID, THANK YOU FOR SAVING ME MONEY. WHETHER THEY WERE READY TO GO TWICE A WEEK, OR ONCE A WEEK CARDS. NOBODY SAID, GEE, I LIKE THIS BETTER. IT'S LESS EXPENSIVE. I'VE ALWAYS HAD THE OVERARCHING GOAL TO TRY TO SPEND THE CITIZENS MONEY AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE. TO ME, THAT'S WHAT THE CHANGE HAD ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT. BUT EFFICIENCY ISN'T ALWAYS WHAT WE WANT. SOMETIMES WE WANT SUPERIOR SERVICE. WE OBVIOUSLY GOT THE MARKINGS, THE RATINGS THAT BACK THAT UP, AND IF PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT, I'M WILLING TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THE SAME SERVICE THAT WE HAVE AND WHEN IT COMES TO CROSSING THE BRIDGE OF MAINTENANCE FEES AND STORMWATER FEES, WE'LL FIGHT THAT BATTLE, AND MAYBE THEY WON'T BE ALL PASSIONATE ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY THAT'S GOING TO COST. I WOULDN'T WANT TO PREDICT THAT, BUT WE'LL SEE. BUT ONE THING ABOUT IT, I'VE LEARNED A LESSON HERE, DON'T MESS WITH OUR TRASH. >> I THINK WE'RE READY TO. >> WE HAVE A SPEAKER CARD? I HAVE SOME SEVERAL SPEAKER CARDS. [BACKGROUND] THE FIRST SPEAKER CARD I HAVE IS STEVE KELLER. >> HONORABLE MAYOR AND COUNCIL, MY NAME IS STEVE KELLER. I REPRESENT WASTE MANAGEMENT, [01:10:01] WM, AS YOU KNOW, THE COMPANY, AND I'VE BEEN WITH THEM FOR 32 YEARS NOW. COUNCILMAN, I GOT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING. THERE IS NOTHING MORE PERSONAL THAN TRASH. YES, MA'AM. IT IS AN INCREDIBLE THING THAT IT IS THE ONE THING IN YOUR CITY THAT EVERY RESIDENT IS TOUCHED BY EVERY WEEK AND SO IT IS PERSONAL. I ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND THAT. AS MANY YEARS AS I'VE BEEN DOING THIS, I UNDERSTAND THAT AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT A DIFFERENT TOPIC, BUT I'M GOING TO CHANGE, AND I JUST WANT TO TELL Y'ALL ONE THING. FIRST OFF, I WANT TO THANK MR. JEFFERSON AND RICHARD FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT WITH THEM. I REACHED OUT TO Y'ALL. SEVERAL OF YOU RESPONDED BACK TO ME. I APPRECIATED THAT VERY MUCH. I'M GOING TO CHANGE MY TOPIC AND REAL QUICKLY TALK ABOUT RECYCLING. RECYCLING IS IMPORTANT. AS BURLESON IS GROWING, AND YOU KNOW THAT BURLESON IS GROWING. IT IS UNBELIEVABLE TO ME WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN 35 YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS THE MARKET AREA SALES MANAGER COMING DOWN HERE AND TALKING TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY ABOUT THEIR SOLID WASTE NEEDS AS TO WHAT IT'S TURNED INTO RIGHT NOW. BUT RECYCLING OUR YOUNGER GENERATION IS COMING UP, AND THEY ARE WANTING TO BE GREEN AND SUSTAINABLE. BUSINESSES THAT ARE MOVING INTO YOUR COMMUNITY, THEY ALL HAVE A SUSTAINABILITY PROGRAM GOING ON AND SO ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE AND INDUSTRIAL SIDE, RECYCLING HAS BECOME THAT MUCH MORE IMPORTANT. WHAT I DID WANT TO TELL Y'ALL IS THAT WM WASTE MANAGEMENT IS WITHIN A FEW MONTHS OF OPENING ONE OF THE MOST STATE OF THE ART RECYCLING FACILITIES THAT LITERALLY IS ON THE BORDER OF BURLESON AND FORT WORTH OVER HERE. IT'S SO EXCITED. WE'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH YOUR SCHOOL DISTRICT. THEY ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BIG EDUCATION WING IN THERE THAT SCHOOLS AND BUSINESSES AND COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS CAN COME INTO OUR FACILITY AND HAVE A FULL WORLD CLASS EXPERIENCE ON WHAT RECYCLING REALLY IS. WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WHICH IS GOING TO BE AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, WE THINK, I'M GOING TO INVITE Y'ALL TO COME TO THE GROUND OPENING AND SEE WHAT THIS IS. I KNOW THAT IT'S PERSONAL. I WILL TELL YOU THIS IN A FEW YEARS AT 29, WHEN YOU OPEN THIS UP FOR A FAIR MARKET COMPETITIVE PROCESS, WM WILL BE THERE, AND SO WILL A BUNCH OF OTHER COMPANIES. THIS IS A VALUABLE, VALUABLE OPPORTUNITY TO ALL OF US. I WILL TELL YOU THIS. IF I'M STILL AROUND WORKING AT 2029, SOMETHING TERRIBLY HAS GONE WRONG. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. THIS HAS BEEN A TREMENDOUS ASSET FOR YOU GUYS TO HAVE, THIS MAN RIGHT HERE. THIS PRESENTATION, WE DON'T SEE PRESENTATIONS LIKE THIS VERY OFTEN AND SO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. I CANNOT WAIT FOR WM TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO FAIR, MARKET, COMPETE FOR YOUR RESIDENTIAL AND YOUR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> PHILIP, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORWARD? >> YES MA'AM. EVENING. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I THINK Y'ALL KNOW ME. IF NOT, MY NAME IS PHILIP SANDERS, 900 WARBLER COURT, BURLESON, TEXAS. SINCE Y'ALL ARE ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE. LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT FIRST. THAT WASN'T WHERE I WAS GOING, BUT I'LL SWITCH. I DON'T AGREE WITH SWITCHING TO ONE VENDOR. I THINK YOU SHOULD LEAVE IT OPEN MARKET AND LET THEM BID FOR IT. THAT'S WHAT KEEPS YOUR PRICES DOWN. I BID IN MY BUSINESS FOR MANY MANY YEARS, 36 YEARS, AND I BID FOR FEDERAL STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT JOBS. WHEN SOME LOSE SOME. BUT I WAS WITH THE CITY OF FORT WORTH FOR ALMOST 36 YEARS AND IT WAS A GREAT RELATIONSHIP. YOU HAVE TO EARN IT. THAT MEANS THERE'S DISCOUNTS. LET THE MARKET TAKE CARE OF ITSELF. PLEASE DON'T CLOSE IT AND I DON'T EVEN HAVE A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS ANYMORE. IT'S THE WAY I FEEL IN MY HEART. IT'S NOT RIGHT. LET YOUR BUSINESSES CHOOSE WHO THEY WANT TO USE. AS FAR AS THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, I'VE GOT A LOT TO SAY. Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY HEARD A LOT OF IT BY EMAIL. I'VE DEFINITELY SHORTEN THIS THING UP. I'M GOING TO DO JUST QUICK BULLET POINTS AND THEN GO BACK AND GIVE SOME HIGHLIGHTS AND THEN YOU CAN ASK ME QUESTIONS, WHATEVER. BUT THE FIRST ONE IS THE CURRENT PRICE AND THE NEW PRICE. [01:15:04] THE SECOND CONTAINER. THAT'S JUST A MATH THING. ALL THAT MEANS BECAUSE WHEN YOU ADD THE SECOND CONTAINER, THE MATH DOESN'T ADD UP. THE CITY ORDINANCES, HOA, STORAGE SPACE, PARKING, HANDICAP AND ELDERLY, WEATHER CONDITIONS, ONE DAY A WEEK, PEST CONTROL, AND THEN THE PRESENTATION FROM LAST TIME, WHICH WE DON'T REALLY GOT TO GET INTO BECAUSE HE'S BROUGHT UP A LOT OF GOOD POINTS THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE PHONE IN PERSON. THE CONTAINER LID, CONTAINER LOCATION, ANIMAL CONTROL, HIGH WIND, HAZARDOUS WASTE, AND WE JUST TALKED ABOUT COMMERCIAL TRASH. THE MAIN THING I WANT Y'ALL TO UNDERSTAND IS I WANT Y'ALL TO DO, AND I LOVE THE DIALOGUE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SITTING THERE LISTENING TO Y'ALL TALK BACK AND FORTH. IT WAS PLEASING BECAUSE YOU'RE REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE AND THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING REPRESENT THE PEOPLE. IF YOU DO THAT AND IF I PERSONALLY LOSE OUT, THEN IT IS WHAT IT IS. IT'S WHAT'S BETTER FOR THE LARGER GROUP. BUT I'VE GOT SO MANY ISSUES WITH THIS. IF YOU GO TO THE SIMPLE MATH, YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE 5.4 BAGS AT 189 POUNDS IF YOU ONLY DO ONE CONTAINER, ONE TIME A WEEK. THE SECOND CONTAINER AT SEVEN BUCKS FOREVER UNTIL THEY GO UP, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE CITY ORDINANCES, WHERE THE CITY ORDINANCES STATES THAT IF A CONTAINER IS USED, IT MUST BE SEALED, AND THE RESIDENT MUST MAINTAIN IT. YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE, FORCE THE CONTAINER ON US THAT WE DON'T WANT, AND THEN MAKE SURE WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IT TO MAINTAIN IT. I'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF THIS COUNCIL, THIS BODY, NOT Y'ALL PERSONALLY, BUT I'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF A BEFORE ABOUT RECYCLE MANY YEARS AGO. IT GETS CHUNKED. NOW, WHEN YOU GET THESE TRUCKS, THEY'RE PICKING UP WITH FORKS, THAT'S ALL HYDRAULICS. THEY DON'T FEEL WHAT THEY'RE DOING. THEY'RE JUST GRABBING IT AND DUMPING IT. THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO GET TORE UP AND IF YOU STAY WITH THE WAY IT SAYS IN THE CITY ORDINANCE, THE CITIZENS WILL BE PAYING TO REPLACE THOSE AND THEY'RE $160 ON AVERAGE. IF YOU BUY THEM AND BULK AT 16,000 AT A WHACK, I'M SURE THERE'S CHEAPER THAN THAT. >> PHILIP. >> YES, SIR. >> WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WANTING TO TALK SO WE NEED TO MOVE ON WHEN YOU GET. >> DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WHAT ABOUT THE PARKING? THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST ONES? YOU'RE BLOCKING. YOU CAN'T BLOCK A MAILBOX, AND YOU CAN'T BLOCK A DRIVEWAY? >> YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CARTS? >> YES, SIR. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO OF THEM BECAUSE YOU ALREADY GOT ONE IN RECYCLE. NOW YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE THAT'S TALLER 95 GALLONS. NOW YOU'VE GOT TWO CONTAINERS SITTING OUT THERE. HOW ARE THESE TRUCKS GOING TO BE ABLE TO MANEUVER IN THESE SMALL NEIGHBORHOODS OR EVEN ON MY STREET UP IN THE COURT? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET THESE CONTAINERS? YOU'RE GOING TO TELL THEM THEY CAN'T PARK IN FRONT OF THEIR OWN HOUSE? >> THANK YOU, PHILIP. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER CARD IS MARK. >> MY NAME IS MARK TOSIANO, 1057 ENGLISH OAK DRIVE. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF THINGS. I'M JUST HERE AS A RESIDENT BECAUSE I DID LIVE IN A COMMUNITY THAT HAD CARTS EXCLUSIVELY FOR BOTH SOLID WASTE AND FOR RECYCLING. JUST TO SHARE SOME OF THAT, JUST IN CASE IT HASN'T COME UP IN YOUR DISCUSSIONS. I JUST THOUGHT I'D SHARE THAT IT WAS NO PROBLEM HAVING TWO CARTS IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND HAVING THOSE MACHINES COME OUT, SQUEEZE THEM AND DUMP THEM IN. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY SERIOUS WIND BLOWING AROUND TO DO ANY DAMAGE. THERE WAS PLENTY OF ROOM TO HAVE YOUR CARTS. IT WAS ONLY OUT THERE FOR A FEW HOURS, SO THAT PARKING WASN'T AN ISSUE. SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE BEING BROUGHT UP MAY NOT BE AS MUCH OF A CONCERN AS THEY'RE MADE OUT TO BE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED HEARING ABOUT 95 GALLONS BEING SO BIG. IN MY OLD COMMUNITY, THEY GAVE US ALL THE LARGE SIZE. [01:20:01] BUT WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTACT SOMEONE AND FOR A FEE, WHICH WAS UNDER 10 BUCKS TO HAVE SOMEBODY COME OUT AND SWAP IT OUT FOR A SMALLER ONE. VERY SIMPLE. THAT TOOK CARE OF THE SIZE ISSUE. THE NUMBER OF TIMES A WEEK WAS ONE. I'VE HAD PEOPLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD HAD PUT OUT LIKE MYSELF ONE OR TWO BAGS, AND THEN THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE THAT SOMEHOW COMES UP WITH 15 BAGS EVERY WEEK OR MORE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND. BUT IN READING THROUGH YOUR INFORMATION ON THE WEBSITE, WHAT I GATHERED WAS THAT THIS PROPOSAL WAS GOING TO BE FOR A CART FOR TRASH, AS WELL AS RECYCLE, BUT THAT PEOPLE COULD ALSO PUT BAGS OUT IF IT DIDN'T FIT IN THE CART. THAT JUST CANNOT WORK. IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ABUSE THAT, AND YOU'RE GOING TO STILL HAVE A LOT OF BAGS. I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN, AND I CONGRATULATE YOU FOR TRYING TO KEEP THE COST DOWN. I DO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR PAYING ATTENTION TO THE COST. THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT, AND THEN THEY GO OFF ON SOME OTHER EMOTIONAL RANT. I APPRECIATE THAT AND KEEPING THE COST DOWN. IF YOU HAVE BAGS, IT'S NOT GOING TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO CAUSE MORE LABOR. YOU'RE ON ONE TRUCK, ONE DRIVER, ONE SET OF JAWS TO PULL IT UP AND DUMP IT IN AND THAT WILL AVOID FUTURE COSTS. NOW, I THINK I'VE GOT A SENSE OF THE COUNCIL AS TO WHERE YOU'RE HEADED AND I KNOW THESE THINGS CAN BE VERY GUT CHURNING SOMETIMES, BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR EFFORT, AND IF YOU'RE GIVING US AN OPTION TO LISTEN AND ALSO TO RESPOND. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> NEXT SPEAKER, CARD I HAVE IS ABEL. >> GOOD EVENING, CITY STAFF, COUNCIL, MAYOR. MY NAME IS ABEL MARINO, DISTRICT MANAGER FOR WASTE CONNECTIONS. HAPPY TO BE HERE TONIGHT. I KNOW THE ONE THING THAT I CONSISTENTLY HAVE HEARD THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT IS THE GREAT SERVICE AND I KNOW WE CAN EASILY SAY IT'S BECAUSE YOU GOT TAKE CALL. IT'S BECAUSE WE PICK UP EVERYTHING. WELL, I CAN TELL YOU THERE'S A NUMBER OF CITIES IN DFW THAT HAVE THE SAME EXACT SERVICE, AND THEY DON'T RATE THE 90TH PERCENTILE OF CITY SERVICE WHEN A SURVEY IS DONE. WE'VE CONSISTENTLY HIT THAT MARK. I BELIEVE IN 2023, WE WERE THE NUMBER ONE RATED SERVICE IN THE CITY AND I CAN TELL YOU IT'S NOT BECAUSE WHETHER IT'S A CART, IT'S TAKE ALL, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE IN OUR FACILITY. JUST LAST YEAR, WE HAD A DRIVER PICK UP A TODDLER ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD IN BURLESON, AND CALLED 911, WAITED FOR THE COPS TO SHOW UP AND MAKE SURE THAT TODDLER WAS HANDED OVER PROPERLY TO THE PARENTS. THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF MANY. I'M NOT HERE TO SPEAK ON THE OPTIONS. IT APPEARS THAT THE CITY RESIDENTS HAVE SPOKEN, CITY COUNCIL HAS SPOKEN, BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO KEEP OUR HEAD DOWN, WORK HARD, AND I GUARANTEE YOU Y'ALL BE HERE IN 2029, TALK ABOUT A RENEWAL. THANK YOU. [LAUGHTER]. >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, AT THIS TIME, I DO HAVE ONE ONLINE SPEAKER CARD, WHICH YOU'LL REMEMBER IS ALLOWED IF IT'S DIRECTED AT A SPECIFIC ITEM THAT'S POSTED ON THE AGENDA. THE SPEAKER CARD IS FROM JAQUELINE JONES. FEBRUARY, 3 2025, I REQUEST THAT THE CITY MAINTAIN THE CURRENT GARBAGE PICKUP SYSTEM. WE EXPERIENCED NO ISSUES WITH OUR TRASH COLLECTIONS. THERE'S INSUFFICIENT SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THESE CONTAINERS, AND THEY POSE CHALLENGES FOR THE ELDERLY AND DISABLED INDIVIDUALLY. ADDITIONALLY, SOME FAMILIES GENERATE MORE WASTE. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS REPORT? >> I HAVE JUST ONE QUESTION. >> YOU'LL NEED TO COME FORWARD, MR. JANISH AND STATE YOUR NAME. >> BILL JANISH 117 NORTHEAST CLINTON. RICHARD, THIS ONE FOR YOU. YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, BUT IF YOU HAVE A HOMEOWNER THAT WANTS TO GUT THEIR HOUSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHERE YOU'LL HAVE ALL THE DEBRIS. YOU HAVE THE 20 YARD, 30 YARD ROW OFF DUMPSTERS, YOU HAVE THE HYDRAULIC LIFT TYPE TRAILERS. WHEN ARLINGTON DID THIS, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN 30 YEARS AGO OR SO, I WOULD GET DISCOUNTS TO THE COMPANIES THAT I USED QUITE A BIT. [01:25:02] WHEN THEY WENT TO A SOLE SOURCE, IT BECAME A PROBLEM. IF YOU GOT CAUGHT USING SOMEBODY ELSE'S DUMPSTER OR DIFFERENT COMPANY, THEY WOULD FINE YOU. WITH THIS OPTION GOING FORWARD, POSSIBLY IN 2029, WOULD THAT LIMIT THE ROLL OFF DUMPSTERS? >> YES, BUT THERE WOULD BE ALSO ON DEMAND SERVICE AS WELL THROUGH WASTE CONNECTIONS OR SPECIAL PECK AS, BUT I BELIEVE SO, I THINK, BUT THEY DO OFFER THAT SERVICE FOR ROLLING THAT OUT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. >> BUT YOU'D BE LIMITED. YOU COULD GET ALL THE BUILDERS AND EVERYTHING, THEY'LL HAVE ONE. >> THE COMMERCIAL MARKET WOULD BE FOR WASTE CONNECTIONS, SO YES. >> MR. JANISH, I DON'T MIND SPEAKING TO THAT FOR RICHARD. THE PROPOSAL THAT WAS CURRENTLY WRITTEN AND NEGOTIATED WITH WASTE CONNECTIONS MADE THE ASSUMPTION ROLL OFF DUMPSTERS WILL BE A PART OF THIS. WHEN WE GO OUT BACK OUT FOR RFP IN THE FUTURE, PRIOR TO THE END OF THIS CONTRACT, THOSE CAN BE THINGS THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT BASED ON THE FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL ON WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE US GO TO MARKET FOR AND THAT COULD BE AN EXCLUSION THAT'S WRITTEN IN OR NOT, BUT I THINK BEING THAT, THAT'S FAR IN THE FUTURE AND WE NEED TO SOLICIT FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL, I APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT WHEN WE EXPLORE OPEN MARKET IN 29. >> I GET A LOT OF THE CONTRACTORS AND EVEN HOMEOWNERS. SOME OF THE HOMEOWNERS WILL TAKE ON A JOB WHERE THEY'LL TEAR OUT SHEET ROCK AND EVERYTHING. I'D HATE TO SEE THEM GET STUCK WITH PAYING HIGHER PRICES WHEN IT COULD BE NEGOTIATED. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. >> ANYBODY ELSE? NO AT ALL. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THAT. >> THERE'S NO MOTION, SIR. THIS IS A REPORT AND PRESENTATION. I TOOK IT OUT OF ORDER, SIR. >> SORRY. >> IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, MR. ABERNETHY. WE'LL GO BACK TO THE REGULAR POSTED AGENDA IN THE ORDER THAT IT IS. >> THANK YOU, RICHARD. >> AT THIS TIME, WE WILL MOVE TO DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS, SECTION 7. 7A HAS BEEN REMOVED EARLIER BY THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT, 7B IS 3301 NORTH COUNTY ROAD 810. [7.B.3301 N CR 810 (Case 24-329): Hold a public hearing and take possible action on an ordinance for a zoning change request from “A” Agricultural to “C” Commercial district for a proposed tractor trailer repair and tire service center. (First and Final Reading) (Staff Contact: Tony McIlwain, Development Services Director) (The Planning and Zoning Commission recommended approval 8 to 0)] THIS IS CASE 24-329. TONIGHT IS TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE FOR A ZONING CHANGE REQUEST FROM A, AGRICULTURAL TO C, COMMERCIAL DISTRICT FOR PROPOSED TRACTOR TRAILER REPAIR TIRE SERVICE CENTER. THIS IS BEFORE CITY COUNCIL ON FIRST AND FINAL READING. THE STAFF PRESENTER THIS EVENING IS TONY MCLLWAIN, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR. MR. MCLLWAIN. >> YES, THANK YOU, MRS. CAMPOS AND [NOISE] GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THIS ITEM DOES INVOLVE A PROSPECTIVE REZONING SUBMITTED BY MR. FELIX WONG, WHO IS THE AGENT FOR IV TIRE SERVICE INCORPORATED, EXCUSE ME. THE ZONING CHANGE IS FROM AGRICULTURAL TO COMMERCIAL. THAT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR THE PROPERTY THAT YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTED ON THE SCREEN IN FRONT OF YOU. THIS IS AN AREA OF THE CITY THAT IS DESIGNATED FOR FUTURE REGIONAL OFFICE OR COMMERCIAL USE AND AS SUCH, THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY THAT YOU SEE ON THE ADJACENT SLIDE FOR AGRICULTURAL USE IS EXPECTED TO CONVERT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE TO A MORE INTENSIVE USE TO FACILITATE THE TYPES OF ZONING THAT THE CITY IS EXPECTING TO SEE IN THIS AREA. THIS USE CHART GIVES YOU SOME IDEA OF THE RANGE OF USES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN OUR COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH IS WHAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING, AND YOU SEE SOME SIMILAR USES TO WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED, TIRE ASSEMBLY SALES, MANUFACTURING, YOU SEE HAULING A STORAGE GARAGE, PAINT SHOPS. YOU SEE MORE INTENSE USES THAT GO BEYOND JUST YOUR BAKERY AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. AS PART OF OUR DUE DILIGENCE, WE SUPPLIED PUBLIC NOTICE TO THE NEWSPAPER AND ALSO TO INDIVIDUALS WITHIN 300 FEET OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. WE RECEIVED NO FORMAL OPPOSITION TO THE ZONAL REQUEST STAFF HAS FIELDED QUESTIONS FROM RESIDENTS THAT WERE CURIOUS AS TO WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED. ONE RESIDENT WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE STREET, BUT NOT ABOUT THE USE PER SE. DURING THE DISCUSSION WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO YOU, FOLLOWING THEIR DISCUSSION COUNCIL'S FOR APPROVAL BY UNANIMOUS VOTE, THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION AND NO SPEAKERS PRESENT THAT EVENING. STAFF IS IN SUPPORT OF THE COMMERCIAL ZONING BEING SOUGHT BY THE APPLICANT AND I ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS? I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING UP AT 7:25. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:25. I GUESS I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR A MOTION. [01:30:02] >> I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE. >> I HAVE A MOTION BY ADAM AND A SECOND BY ALEXA, PLEASE VOTE. PASSES UNANIMOUS. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THAT BRINGS US TO 7C, [7.C.Dairy Queen located at 1620 SW Wilshire Blvd (Case 24-365): Consider and take possible action on a resolution for variances to Chapter 63, Sign Regulations, relating to type of sign and the setback of the proposed sign, allowing for the installation of a pole sign instead of the allowed monument sign and for the sign to be approximately eight feet six inches (8’6”) from the side property line instead of the required ten feet (10’). (Staff Contact: Tony McIlwain, Development Services Director) (No Planning and Zoning Commission action was required for this item.)] DAIRY QUEEN LOCATED AT 1620 SOUTHWEST WILSHIRE BOULEVARD, CASE 24-365. THIS IS TO CONSIDER AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION ON A RESOLUTION FOR VARIANCE TO CHAPTER 63, THE SIGN REGULATIONS RELATING TO TYPE OF SIGN AND THE SETBACK OF THE PROPOSED SIGN, ALLOWING FOR THE INSTALLATION OF A POLE SIGN INSTEAD OF THE ALLOWED MONUMENT SIGN AND FOR THE SIGN TO BE APPROXIMATELY 8 FEET 6" FROM THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE INSTEAD OF THE REQUIRED 10 FEET. THE STAFF PRESENTER IS TONY MCLLWAIN, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR. MR. TONY MCLLWAIN. >> YES. THANK YOU, MRS. CAMPOS. AS THE CITY SECRETARY NOTED, COUNCIL, THIS SIGN VARIANCE IS FOR TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. ONE IS AN ALLOWANCE FOR A TYPE OF SIGN THAT IS NOT ALLOWED IN THIS AREA OF THE CITY, AND THE SECOND VARIANCE IS TO ALLOW FOR A SETBACK LESS THAN THE REQUIRED 10 FEET. THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS A DAIRY QUEEN, MRS. MOLLY BROWN WITH COMET SIGNS AS THE APPLICANT ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED IS YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR TWO VARIANCES. JUST BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, DURING THE CITY'S COMMERCIAL SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS, STAFF APPROVED A NEW DAIRY QUEEN THAT INCLUDED THE MONUMENT SIGN SETBACK INITIALLY 11 FEET 6" FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE WHICH WAS OUTSIDE OF A 10 FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT. DURING FURTHER DISCOVERY DURING THE CIVIL PLAN REVIEW, THERE WAS SOME INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS UNACCOUNTED FOR INITIALLY, AND THE EASEMENT ESSENTIALLY WENT FROM 10 FEET TO 25 FEET. IN ORDER FOR THE INITIAL MONUMENT SIGN TO BE PLACED ON THE PROPERTY AT THE INITIAL LOCATION, IT WOULD HAVE REQUIRED A RIGHT AWAY USE EASEMENT AGREEMENT TO FACILITATE THE MONUMENT SIGN BEING THERE. AS ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION WENT ON, STAFF MADE IT CLEAR TO THE APPLICANT THAT ANY COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE CITY GOING AND DOING SEWER REHAB WORK IN THE FUTURE WOULD REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PLACING THE SIGN BACK ON THE PROPERTY. THEIR CONCERN AND CONSTERNATION INVOLVES THE POTENTIAL COST OF HAVING REPLACE THE MONUMENT SIGN BACK IF THE CITY WERE TO GO IN THERE AND DO ANY WORK PARTICULARLY ON THE SEWER. THAT LED TO FURTHER DISCUSSION REGARDING SUBMISSION OF A SIGN VARIANCE. NOW, JUST BY WAY OF WHY WE'RE HERE REQUESTING A SIGN VARIANCE, THE WAY THAT OUR CODE IS WRITTEN IS THAT FREE STANDING SIGNS LIKE WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR THE DAIRY QUEEN ARE NOT ALLOWED BEYOND THE NORTH WILSHIRE SIGN CORRIDOR. IF YOU ARE TRAVELING SOUTH ALONG WILSHIRE, ONCE YOU GO PAST ELK DRIVE HEADING SOUTH, THAT IS YOUR CUTOFF POINT FOR THESE FREE STANDING SIGNS. AT THAT POINT, YOU THEN GO DOWN TO A MONUMENT SIGN, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS OCCURRED HERE MOST RECENTLY IN THE CITY. SECONDLY, WE STILL HAVE A REQUIREMENT FOR A 10 FOOT SETBACK. THAT'S LEADING THE APPLICANT TONIGHT TO REQUEST THE VARIANCE TO THE SIGN TYPE TO ALLOW FOR APPROXIMATE 20 FOOT TALL POLE SIGN AS MEASURED FROM THE ADJACENT GRADE AND THEN AN ENCROACHMENT OF A FOOT AND SO MANY INCHES INTO THE REQUIRED SETBACK. THESE ARE THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT STAFF HAS TO REVIEW WHEN LOOKING AT SIGN VARIANCES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE PURVIEW TO REVIEW FOR IS ANY FINANCIAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT MIGHT BE IMPACTFUL IN THE FUTURE TO ANY REQUESTING PARTY. WE UNDERSTAND CERTAINLY THEIR FEELINGS REGARDING WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IF THE CITY WERE TO GO IN THERE AND DO ANY WORK THAT WOULD BE TO THE POINT WE HAVE DISPLACED THE SIGN, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE THE RECOURSE TO CONSIDER. THAT BEING SAID IN TOTALITY WITH THE EXISTING CODE, THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE FINANCIAL CONSIDERATION IS SOMETHING UNDER WHICH WE CAN REVIEW THIS. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF THE VARIANCE TO THE SIGN REQUEST. I WILL TELL THE COUNCIL THAT IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO [01:35:02] ENTERTAIN THE VARIANCE TO THE SIGN REQUEST, I CAN DISCUSS. NOBODY ELSE IS HERE WITH ME. I GUESS I'M THINKING BACK IN THE OFFICE, BUT I CAN DISCUSS WITH YOU THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR HEIGHTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE STANDALONE POLE SIGN. THIS ITEM DID NOT NEED TO GO BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS HERE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. NO PREVIOUS ACTION. >> ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS, GUYS, WHERE WE STAND? IS THERE ANY OTHER POLE SIGNS IN THIS AREA? SOMETHING THAT BEAT THE ORDINANCE WE PUT IN PLACE ON THEM? >> WELL, MR. MAYOR, I'LL TELL YOU I HAVE NOT INDIVIDUALLY LOOKED. I WILL TELL YOU THAT IT IS AN EXISTING POLE SIGN SINCE 2015, WHICH IS WHEN THE ORDINANCE TOOK EFFECT, IT WOULD HAVE REQUIRED A VARIANCE ON BEHALF OF THE COUNCIL. ANY OTHER PROPERTY SOUTH OF ELK WOULD COME IN UNDER THE MONUMENT SIGN REQUIREMENT. I DIDN'T LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF VARIANCES GRANTED BECAUSE VARIANCES STAND ON THEIR OWN. IT'S NOT A SITUATION WHERE ONE PERSON GETS A VARIANCE, THEY ALL GET A VARIANCE. I THINK IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, YOU LOOK AT THE CONSIDERATIONS BASED ON THE MERITS OF THE CASE. >> ACTUALLY, THE COUNCIL IS BASICALLY LOOKING AT THE COSMETICS OF ONE POLE SIGN OVER A MEMORIAL SIGN. IT REALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE UTILITIES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? >> WELL, BUT I WON'T SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT IN THEIR JUSTIFICATION, THEY FEEL THAT THE PROXIMITY OF THE UNDERLYING INFRASTRUCTURE, ALONG WITH OUR REQUIREMENTS FOR CONCRETE, WE DO ALSO ALLOW STILL ENCASEMENT A COST PROHIBITIVE TO THEM IF THE CITY WERE TO GO IN AND DO ANY WORK ON A SEWER LINE, FOR INSTANCE. IT'S AT A SHALLOWER DEPTH THAN WHAT THEY INITIALLY ANTICIPATED. THAT BEING SAID, THERE'S NOT A UNIQUENESS WITH ITEMS BEING PLACED IN A UTILITY EASEMENT. WE DO RIGHT AWAY USE AGREEMENTS AND EASEMENTS ALL THE TIME, BUT IT'S UNDERSTOOD THAT THE CITY IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT THAT OCCURS, WHICH IS WHAT WE DISCUSS AT THE TIME THAT WE GRANT THESE USE AGREEMENTS. >> I CAN HEAR LARRY RIGHT NOW EVERY TIME WE TRY TO DENY OR SUPERSEDE SOMETHING, IT SEEMS LIKE WE NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT OUR PLANS. >> MAYOR, I DO HAVE THE SPEAKER CARD FOR NATHAN MAYFIELD, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL. HE'S THE OWNER, I BELIEVE. >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING, CHRIS, MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL. FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE GOOD JOB THAT YOU GUYS DO BEING AT THE HELM OF BURLESON, FOR THEIR GROWTH, AND ALSO FOR THE SAFETY HERE. THAT BEING SAID, MY NAME IS NATHAN MAYFIELD. I REPRESENT THE DAIRY QUEENS IN JOHNSON COUNTY. MY FAMILY STARTED THE DAIRY QUEEN UP HERE IN 1966 ON WILSHIRE AND YOU GUYS HAVE GROWN THIS TOWN ENOUGH THAT WE FELT LIKE WE COULD BUILD ANOTHER STORE SOUTH, WHICH WE HAVE. I'M HERE TODAY. NOW, MRS. BROWN IS WITH THE SIGN COMPANY. SHE'S GOT ALL THE DETAILS OF UTILITIES AND ALL THAT JAZZ AND I'LL LET HER ADDRESS THAT AND YOU CAN CONSIDER THAT. BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS AND IS PROBABLY ON THAT LITTLE PICTURE THAT YOU HAD UP THERE, BUT EVERY BUSINESS NEEDS A SIGN. THAT'S GREAT. WE WANT A SIGN, WE TAKE A MONUMENT, WE TAKE WHATEVER, BUT THIS ISSUE HAPPENS TO BE THE NEIGHBOR. IF YOU'LL SEE, Y'ALL CAN PASS THIS AROUND [INAUDIBLE] >> MR. MAYFIELD, THE PEOPLE AT THE AUDIENCE WON'T BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU IF YOU'RE NOT AT THE MICROPHONE. THANK YOU. >> EVERYBODY NEEDS A SIGN. THIS MAN HAS A SIGN. IT'S A COLLISION PLACE AND IT'S PARKED AS A HAZARD, ACTUALLY. WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO DRIVE OUT OF OUR DAIRY QUEEN THERE, THAT'S A BUSY ROAD, 174. IT'S CREATING A BLIND SPOT. I'M TRYING TO DRIVE OUT AND WE GOT A VAN. NOW, THIS VAN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AN OVERSIGHT WITH THE CITY OR WHAT, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY CARS UP AND DOWN 174 THEY'RE PARKED LIKE THIS ON HIGHWAY EASEMENT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT SOMETHING SEEMS PARTICULARLY IN THIS INSTANCE, IT'S A HAZARD. SOMEBODY'S GOING TO GET AN ACCIDENT THERE. WE WOULD LIKE Y'ALL'S CONSIDERATION TO LOOK AT THAT, AND THEN MRS. BROWN HERE HAS ALL THE INFO ON THE ON THE POLE SIGN. [01:40:01] I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S CONCERN AND YOUR CONSIDERATION BECAUSE YOU'VE KEPT IT SAFE, BUT THAT'S A REALLY BUSY HIGHWAY, AND THAT'S GOING TO THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE A PROBLEM. >> THE PICTURE YOU JUST GAVE US, IS THAT THE FORM FOR WHERE THE SIGN IS GOING? >> [INAUDIBLE] >> GET ON THE SPEAKER. >> MR. MAYFIELD, WE ARE RECORDING LIVE, AND SO PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING WILL NOT BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU. >> THAT WAS FOR A MONUMENT SIGN, BUT THEN WE GOT PERMIT. THEN I THINK THE CITY, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, WENT IN AND PUT THE SEWER LINE UNDERNEATH THERE WHERE OUR MONUMENT WAS GOING TO BE. NOW IF WE PUT OUR MONUMENT THERE, IF THE CITY COMES IN AND TEARS UP THE SEWER, WHICH MIGHT HAPPEN, THEN IT'S OUR NICKEL TO REPLACE OUR SIGNAGE. >> LET ME ASK YOU. THE SEWER LINE WAS ALREADY THERE. >> I DON'T KNOW. >> THIS IS ON A NEW SEWER LINE, IS IT? >> I DON'T KNOW. I THINK IT WAS NEW. >> YOU MADE IT SOUND LIKE WE WENT IN THERE AND PUT A SEWER LINE UNDERNEATH YOU. >> WELL, THERE WAS SOME SOME HANDSHAKE. SHE'S BEEN INVOLVED WITH ALL THAT. SHE SHE COULD ADDRESS IT IF YOU'D LIKE. >> CONNIE, IS THAT A OLD SEWER LINE? >> THE SEWER LINE IS IN PLACE, MR. MAYOR. >> THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE THE RIGHT TO COME AND SPEAK. YOU DON'T NEED TO FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD IF YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME AS LONG AS YOU'RE THE APPLICANT OR THE OWNER. >> I AM MOLLY BROWN WITH COMMENT SIGNS. I'M FROM TYLER. WE DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW WHEN THE LINE WENT IN, BUT IT WAS IN 2024 AND IT IS AT THE TIME WE GOT THE PERMIT, WHICH WAS IN JUNE. THERE WAS NO INFORMATION ABOUT IT BEING THERE. WHEN WE WENT TO STATE THE LOCATION, THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR'S TRAILER WAS BLOCKING WHERE WE WOULD HAVE SEEN THE MANHOLE THAT GOT ADDED. NOBODY WAS AWARE UNTIL WE WENT TO GO PLAN TO DIG AND WE SEE, THANK GOODNESS FOR TEXAS 811 THAT THERE WAS A LINE ADDED. IT WAS ADDED SOMETIME IN THE TIME OF 2024. IT IS BRAND NEW. >> EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. >> LET ME KNOW IF YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE BECAUSE I'VE GOT MORE INFORMATION. [LAUGHTER] >> SHE WANT TO SELL US A SIGN. WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A SIGN. >> I DO. >> WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A SIGN, TOO, BUT WE GOT TO DO WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANT TO DO. BUT OUR CONCERN IMMEDIATELY, SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE IS THE OBSTRUCTION AND THE BLIND SPOT ON THE TRAFFIC ON 174. SERIOUSLY, THERE'S GOING TO BE A BAD ACCIDENT THERE. >> THAT'S A DIFFERENT POINT. THAT'S THE VAN BEING IN THE WAY. I SAW THE CHIEF BACK THERE WRITING, SO THAT'LL WORK OUT. >> WELL, I TALKED TO THE POLICE MYSELF ABOUT THAT, AND THEY SAID THAT SOMETHING ABOUT A PARKING ORDINANCE FOR RESIDENTIAL THAT YOU CAN'T PARK ON THE STREET. >> WELL, WE'LL LET HIM DEAL WITH THAT. LET'S WORK ON THE SIGN. >> THANK YOU. >> TONY. >> YES. >> SORRY. >> NOW GO AHEAD. >> IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU CAN CONFIRM, WHEN WAS THAT SEWAGE LINE PUT THERE? >> I'M GOING THROUGH MY NOTES NOW AND GIVE ME ONE SECOND. >> MY REASONING FOR ASKING IS, WELL, IF THEY HAD INTENDED ON PUTTING IT THERE BEFORE AND THEN THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHERE IT WAS NEW WHEN THEY PURCHASED THIS SITE. >> YOU HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THE SEWER LINE UNDER COMMONS DRIVE WAS HIGHER THAN ELEVATION SHOWN ON OUR RECORD DRAWINGS. THE SEWER LINE THAT DAIRY QUEEN WAS CONSTRUCTING WAS TO BE CONSTRUCTED AT A SHALLOWER DEPTH THAN WHAT WAS ANTICIPATED. DAIRY QUEEN ALSO CONSTRUCTED THE SEWER LINE. WHAT WE HAVE IS A SITUATION, YOU HAVE A SEWER LINE UNDER COMMONS DRIVE. THEY HAVE TO FACILITATE DEVELOPMENT TO THEIR SITE WITH AN ADDITIONAL SEWER LINE AT A DEPTH SHALLOWER THAN WHAT ANTICIPATED. WHEN YOU PUT IN A MONUMENT SIGN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BASE, THAT BASE, OF COURSE, GOES INTO THE GROUND. THE CONCERN WAS THAT IF THE CITY COMES IN THERE TO DO ANY REHAB WORK OR OPERATIONS OR MAINTENANCE WORK, IT'S AN EASEMENT, AND THERE'S A COST THAT THEY WOULD INCUR TO HAVE THAT SIGN REPLACED. OBVIOUSLY, WE WOULD NOT GO IN WITH THE INTENT TO DESTROY THE SIGN, BUT THE SIGN IS THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY, WHICH IS WHY WE WERE TRYING TO FACILITATE THE PROCESS THROUGH A EASEMENT AGREEMENT WHERE ALL INVOLVED PARTIES WOULD TO UNDERSTAND THEIR ROLE. >> [BACKGROUND]. >> YEAH. >> THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I HAD WERE THAT DAIRY QUEEN HAS TO REMOVE THE SIGN. THEY GET NOTIFIED THAT THERE'S MAINTENANCE REQUIRED [01:45:03] OR DAMAGE TO THE LINE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THEY HAVE TO REMOVE THE CONCRETE CASE, THE BASE, THE SIGN. WHEN IT'S ALL FINISHED, WE'RE ALLOWED AMOUNT OF TIME TO REMOVE IT WHEN IT'S ALL FINISHED, THEN WE GO PUT IT BACK. HOPING YOU HAVEN'T DAMAGED A SIGN THAT IN THE SIGN CODE IS REQUIRED TO BE STUCCO OR MASONRY. IF YOU'VE EVER DEALT WITH STUCCO OR MASONRY AND YOU HAVE TO REMOVE IT, YOU HAVE TO REBUILD IT. I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER OF HOW MUCH THIS SIGN WAS, BUT JUST ASSUME IT'S PROBABLY AROUND 20-30,000 JUST WITHOUT TALKING CONCRETE. EVERY TIME YOU HAVE TO REMOVE THAT, THAT'S DAIRY QUEEN'S COST. THE POLL SIGN WAS THE PLAN TO BE OUT OF THE WAY OF EVERYBODY, OUT OF THE WAY OF THE DRIVE FOR THE DAIRY QUEEN DRIVE THROUGH, AND IT GIVES THEM THEIR SIGNAGE ON THAT NORTH SIDE THAT THEY ACTUALLY DO NOT HAVE. >> ON THIS I MEAN, THAT ORDINANCE THAT GOES ON EASEMENTS AND SO ON, THAT'S RESIDENTIAL, THAT'S COMMERCIAL, WHEREVER. THE BUILDER, DEVELOPER, WHOEVER, THEY KNOW THAT THAT'S. >> CORRECT. >> PART OF THE RULE. WHEN YOU GO AND YOU BUY A HOUSE AND YOU'VE GOT AN EASEMENT, THEY TELL YOU, YES, YOU CAN BUILD A SHED, BUT IF THE CITY NEEDS TO, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE TAKEN DOWN. THAT'S WHY MY QUESTION WAS ABOUT, THEY KNOW? WAS THIS ON THEIR SURVEY WHEN THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY? >> THAT I CAN'T ATTEST TO AS FAR AS WHEN THEY BECAME AWARE. I DO KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN CONVERSATIONS GOING BACK SOME TIME BETWEEN CITY STAFF REGARDING THIS. >> JUST FOR REFERENCE WHILE THEY'RE DOING THIS, YOU DO NEED SIGNAGE. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF. I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IS WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PUT THIS, WHERE IT'S STILL EFFECTIVE, WHERE IT'S NOT IN OUR EASEMENT, SO IT DOESN'T COST YOU $30,000 TO REMOVE IT ON DOWN THE LINE. >> DAIRY QUEEN AND THE CITY STAFF BEGAN CONVERSATIONS BACK IN 2023 THROUGH OUR CURSORY PREDEVELOPMENT MEETINGS. FROM THERE, WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS, HAD THE DISCUSSIONS REGARDING EASEMENT WIDTH, BUT AT THAT POINT IN TIME WAS SIMPLY TO LOOK AT HAVING AN EASEMENT EXPANDED FROM 10 FEET TO 25 FEET. WHAT I THINK CAUGHT THEM BY SURPRISE IS PROBABLY THE OCCURRENCE OF THE SEWER LINE THAT WAS CURRENTLY ALREADY UNDER COMMONS DRIVE. BUT THAT IS NOT UNIQUE SITUATION IN THE CITY. WE HAVE SEWER LINES THAT ARE BURIED AT DIFFERENT DEPTHS. I THINK AND WE TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THERE'S COST CONSIDERATION THAT THEY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT. BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN'T CONSIDER IN OUR DETERMINATION AND RECOMMENDATION TO YOU. THE OTHER ISSUE IS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT A TWO PRONG VARIANCE. IT'S NOT THE MONUMENT SIGN MOVING FROM THE PROPOSED LOCATION TO A NEW LOCATION, IT'S THE CHANGE IN SIGN FROM MONUMENT TO POLE. IF IT WAS SIMPLY A MONUMENT SIGN MOVING FROM THE FRONTAGE TO THE OTHER SIDE WITH JUST A MINIMUM ENCROACHMENT OF A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN A FOOT. I THINK STAFF WOULD HAVE UNDERSTOOD THAT ALL THINGS BEING CONSIDERED. BUT WE HAD A CONCERN WITH THE TYPE OF SIGN BEING CHANGED FROM MONUMENT TO POOL BECAUSE THE HEART STOP LINE IS AT ELK. I THINK IF WE FELT THAT THERE WAS HARDSHIP BEYOND JUST THE FINANCIAL, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S NOT A HARDSHIP. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. WE WOULD HAVE GIVEN A LITTLE BIT MORE BY THE WAY OF A RECOMMENDATION. THAT BEING SAID, THEY I THOUGHT PUT IN A WONDERFUL JUSTIFICATION. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNCIL IS AWARE THAT WE DID HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT RIGHT AWAY USE AGREEMENTS, TRYING TO FACILITATE THE DEVELOPMENT AS MUCH AS WE CAN. EVEN TODAY, AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, YOU CAN PLACE A MONUMENT SIGN ON THE PROPERTY. IT'S NOT THE ISSUE. THE CONCERN IS THAT WHAT IFS AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE CITY WERE TO GO IN THERE, AND SHE'S EXACTLY CORRECT. WE'LL GIVE YOU THE COURTESY AND SAY, CAN YOU REMOVE THE SIGN? I THINK THEY FEEL IT'S NOT PRACTICAL, BUT WE WOULD GIVE THEM THAT COURTESY. >> THERE'S NOT A PLACE ON THE PROPERTY, HOW IT'S LAID OUT THAT WE COULD RELOCATE A MONUMENT SIGN POTENTIALLY. IS THAT EVEN AN OPTION THAT IT WOULDN'T BE IMPACTED BY AN EASEMENT, OR IS IT NO MATTER WHERE ALONG THIS. >> SHALL WE MOVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE? >> IS IT POSSIBLE TO MOVE IT. >> DOWN THE LINE OUTSIDE OF THIS LINE OR. >> I'M SORRY. YOU'LL HAVE TO MOVE BACK FROM THE DIAS. IT'S A SAFETY, BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS HAND IT TO STAFF, [01:50:01] AND WE'LL DO THAT FOR YOU. >> THAT LINE IS THE 25 FOOT SETBACK THAT THE EASEMENT IS NOW, AND IT GOES THROUGH THEIR PARKING, FOR EXAMPLE. THERE'S REALLY NOWHERE TO PUT IT UNLESS YOU PUT IT IN THAT LITTLE TINY SPOT WHERE THE DRIVE TURNS. IF YOU PUT A MONUMENT SIGN BACK THERE, THAT'S 25 FEET BACK. I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE TAKE FIVE THAT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET GOING SOUTH, RIGHT AT THAT INTERSECTION. THERE'S ONLY ONE PLAT BETWEEN DAIRY QUEEN, A PLAT, A ROAD AND TAKE FIVE, AND THEY HAVE A 20 FOOT HOLE SIGN, AND THE YAMAHA THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO IT. >> COUNCIL MEMBERS, THERE IS ANOTHER OPTION THAT WASN'T DISCUSSED IN THIS PACKET THAT WE'VE READ. BUT TONY ALLUDED TO IT A MINUTE AGO, THAT THIS LINE DOES NOT HAVE TO BE ENCASED IN CONCRETE TO MEET THE PROTECTION REQUIREMENTS. IT CAN BE ENCLOSED IN WHAT THEY CALL A SPLIT STEEL CASING. THE LINE IS EXPOSED. THE STEEL CASING IS CUT INTO, WRAPPED AROUND IT, WELD IT BACK TOGETHER. WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES THAT MAKE YOU'D ASK? WELL, IT MEANS THAT THERE'S NO CHANCE THAT THAT SIGN WOULD EVER HAVE TO BE REMOVED AND REPLACED AS A RESULT OF THE CITY HAVING TO DO ANY WORK ON THE LINE? IT WOULD SIMPLY BE PULLED OUT OF THE CASING AND A FRESH PIPE PUSHED BACK IN. THE SIGN WOULD REMAIN INTACT. THAT'S TYPICALLY THE WAY UNDERGROUND CONDUITS ARE INSTALLED UNDER RAILROAD TRACKS, UNDER BUILDING, SOMETIMES, UNDER HIGHWAYS, JUST WITH THE IDEA THAT THE STEEL CASING PRECLUDES ANY NEED THAT THAT SIGN WOULD EVER HAVE TO BE REMOVED IN ORDER TO WORK ON THE LINE. >> TONY WOULD THAT BE A POSSIBILITY? >> YES. STAFF WOULD BE FLEXIBLE IN THAT REGARD, CERTAINLY. >> ONE POINT IN CLARITY, TOO. I WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN FOR THE COUNCIL. WE DON'T GO INTO EASEMENTS WITH THE INTENTION OF TEARING OUT SIGNS. WE TRY TO WORK AROUND TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CLEAR, THAT'D BE A LAST RESORT. IT'S COMMON PRACTICE TO PLACE IT IN OUR RIGHT AWAY ENCROACHMENT AGREEMENTS BECAUSE WE CAN'T ALWAYS ACCOUNT FOR THE WHAT IFS. BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR, WE USE THAT AS A LAST RESORT. >> THE CONCRETE, THE BASE IS PERPENDICULAR TO THE SEWER LINE, CORRECT? >> GOES RIGHT OVER IT. PERPENDICULAR. YES. >> YOUR LIABILITY IS VERY SHORT. I DON'T SEE YOU EVER HAVING TO MOVE THAT SIGN. >> IF THEY CAN PROMISE WHAT HE. >> WE CAN'T PROMISE ANYTHING. >> PROPOSED. WELL, WHAT WE WERE PROVIDED WAS THAT WE HAD TO PROVIDE THE CONCRETE ENCASEMENT, AND WE HAD TO PROVIDE REMOVING THE SIGN AND THE CONCRETE CASEMENT. IF THE CITY IS SAYING THAT THEY HAVE AN OPTION TO PROTECT THE LINE THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT SIGN TO COME OUT, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ARGUE. BUT AT THE MOMENT, IT'S PRESENTED THAT WE ARE TO PUT A CONCRETE CASE AROUND THE SEWER LINE THAT IS WITHIN 2-3 FEET FROM GRADE OR LESS, AND THEN OUR SIGN CAN HAVE A SPREAD FOOTER OVER IT. IT'S STILL AT A CHANCE THAT IT COULD BE REMOVED, AND THAT'S EXPENSIVE FOR A FRANCHISEE. I MEAN, NOBODY PRESENTED THAT OPTION. >> WELL, LET ME BE CLEAR. ALL OF THE WORK ASSOCIATED WITH THE SIGN IS BORNE BY THE PROPERTY OWNER. WITH REGARD TO THE MATERIALS, THE SPECIFICATIONS THAT WE USE, THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD BE FLEXIBLE WITH STEEL ENCASEMENT RATHER THAN THE CONCRETE. WE WOULD. BUT THE CITY'S NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING THE STEEL ENCASEMENT. THE STEEL ENCASEMENT IS DONE ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPER. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE COUNCIL IS AWARE. THE CITY IS ONLY CONCERNED ABOUT MAINTAINING THE INTEGRITY OF THE WATER AND SEWER LINES WITHIN THE EASEMENT, AND WE'LL FOLLOW THE SAME PROCESS THAT WE DO WITH ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS A PRIVATE PROPERTY WITHIN AN EASEMENT. AS A CITY MANAGER MENTIONED, WE WILL GO THROUGH GREAT CARE NOT TO DAMAGE PRIVATE PROPERTY, WHICH IS WHY WE OFFER THE OPTION OF HAVING IT REMOVED. IF IT BECOMES COST PROHIBITIVE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE CAN'T RECOMMEND A VARIANCE BECAUSE OF THE COST IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING AT THE STAFF LEVEL. >> IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD SLEEVE THE LEGS ON THIS THING? I'M ASSUMING THE DAMAGE IS CUTTING EVERYTHING LOOSE AND RAISING IT UP PROBABLY STORAGE. >> YOU'LL DAMAGE THE SIGN BECAUSE PER THE CODE, IT HAS TO BE OF BUILDING MASONRY MATERIAL OR STUCCO. YOU'RE GOING TO DAMAGE THAT EVERY TIME YOU LIFT IT OUT. THAT SIGN IS ON A STEEL POLE IN THE MIDDLE. IT'S NOT JUST THE SPREAD FOOTER. YOU STILL HAVE A POLE THAT COMES UP THE MIDDLE. ALL OF THAT HAS TO COME OUT, [01:55:01] IT HAS TO BE EXCAVATED. I MEAN, THE HARDEST PART ABOUT THIS IS THAT WE'VE GOT TO GO INTO AN AGREEMENT THAT A SIGN WOULD HAVE TO BE REMOVED, AND IT PUTS THE CUSTOMER AT SUCH AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE WHEN EVERYBODY AROUND THEM DOESN'T HAVE THAT TO DEAL WITH THAT. BY RIGHT, THEY GET TO ASSIGN, BUT WHY ARE WE ONLY GIVEN THE OPTION OF GOING OVER THIS LINE? WHY CAN WE NOT HAVE A TALLER SIGN THAT'S FURTHER BACK, SO IT CAN STILL BE SEEN FROM THE ROAD. >> HOW LONG WOULD THAT SLEEVE HAVE TO BE? >> TEN FEET, PROBABLY. YOU CAN EXCAVATE UP TO THE SIGN, PULL THE PIPE THROUGH THE SLEEVE, REPLACE THE PIPE THROUGH THE SLEEVE, PUT IT BACK. >> HOW WELL I? >> I WOULD SIGN AN AGREEMENT THAT SAID THE CITY WOULD FIX THE SIGN IF THAT WAS PUT IN THAT WAY. I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT WOULD NOT EVER BE A PROBLEM. >> ABSOLUTELY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 10 FEET OF. WHAT ARE THE CHANCES OF THIS GETTING DAMAGED WITH THE SLEEVE ON IT? >> WHAT WOULD THE SLEEVE COST? >> YES. >> NO, WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE GO GET A PRACS. >> GOES ABOUT SALE. >> I JUST WANT A COUPLE POINTS OF CLARIFICATION. THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT WERE THE LINES THERE OR NOT. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE WATER AND SEWER LINES. WHEN WE FIRST MET WITH THEM, AT THIS LOCATION, THERE WAS NO WATER AND SEWER TO THAT PROPERTY. WHEN THEY PROVIDED US THE DRAWINGS, WHEN WE FIRST MET, THAT'S WHEN WE SAID YOU NEEDED 25 FOOT EASEMENT BECAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNER HAD TO EXTEND WATER AND SEWER SERVICE TO THEIR PROPERTY. THAT'S WHERE THE 25 FOOT EASEMENT CAME IN. THE DAIRY QUEEN INSTALLED THE SEWER. THE CLOSEST PLACE WE HAD WATER AND SEWER SERVICE WAS AT COMMONS. THEY EXTENDED ACROSS THE PROPERTY, DEDICATED AN EASEMENT TO THE CITY FOR THAT. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT IT WASN'T LIKE IT WAS THERE OR WE ADDED IT. IT WAS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT BUILDING. THERE WAS NO UTILITIES AT THAT SITE. IT WAS CONSTRUCTED A CIVIL PLANS CAME IN. WE TALKED ABOUT CIVIL REVIEW. WHEN THEY SUBMITTED CIVIL PLANS, THEY HAD THEIR CIVIL PLANS. I WAS IN A 10 FOOT EASEMENT. PER TCQ, WE HAVE TO HAVE SEPARATION OF THE WATER AND SEWER LINE SO THEY DON'T CONTAMINATE. YOU DON'T WANT THE SEWAGE INTO THE WATER. TWENTY FIVE FOOT EASEMENT HAD TO COME INTO PLAY. THAT'S WHEN THE SIGN STUFF STARTED GETTING WALKIE. JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY SOME OF THAT BEGINNING STUFF. THAT STARTED BACK OVER A YEAR AGO WHEN WE STARTED WORKING WITH THEM ON THE NEEDS FOR THE EASEMENTS AND HOW TO GET UTILITY SERVICE TO THEIR PROPERTY. THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED GOING WITH NOW WHERE DO THE SIGNS GO? WHEN THEY INITIALLY DO SITE PLANS, THEY SAY, THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO PUT THE SIGN. WHEN WE DO CIVIL REVIEW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT TONY, WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING SOME STUFF IN THE FUTURE, BUT WHEN WE DO INITIAL SITE PLANS, IT LOOKS GREAT UNTIL MICHELLE AND HER TEAM GO AND DO CIVIL REVIEW AND SAY, WELL, 10 FOOT EASEMENT NEEDS TO BE 25. JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT'S WHERE THAT UTILITY CAME FROM. THEY INSTALLED THE UTILITY BECAUSE THAT WAS WHAT WAS REQUIRED OF THEM TO HAVE SERVICE TO THEIR PROPERTY. >> I LIKE WHAT DAN SAYING. YOUR BIGGEST ISSUE IS THE POTENTIAL LIABILITY OF HAVING TO MOVE A SIGN. >> THE COST OF HAVING TO MOVE, YES. I MEAN, IF IT WAS PART OF THE BUILD, IT STILL WOULDN'T CHANGE THAT I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE A FEW MONTHS AGO INSTEAD. WE'D STILL BEEN ASKING TO MOVE THE SIGN TO WHERE WE COULD STILL HAVE IT TALLER. IF IT'S A PROBLEM THAT IT'S ON A POLE SIGN, SO YOU'RE SAYING A MONUMENT SIGN THAT'S AT THE TALLEST OF WE CAN GET IT, STILL SET BACK 25 FEET. TWENTY FIVE FEET IS LIKE, IT'S A WAYS WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING. WE'D STILL PROBABLY BE TALKING ABOUT THIS SIGN AND BEING ABLE TO HAVE IT AS A POLE SIGN IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO HAVE IT TALLER. MONUMENT SIGNS ARE ONLY ALLOWED A CERTAIN MAXIMUM HEIGHT TOO. >> I THINK I WANT TO FOLLOW. >> I UNDERSTAND YOUR ORIGINAL APPLICATION, THOUGH, WAS FOR A MONUMENT SIGNED. >> IT WAS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE SEWER LINE WENT UNDER IT AND NO, OUR CONSTRUCTION COMPANY DIDN'T TELL US. >> SORRY. I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT. BUT IF YOU PUT IT WHERE YOU ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO PUT IT, THEN THAT SHOULD BE SATISFACTORY. >> FOR THE CITY SAID WE WOULD HAVE TO INCLUDE IT WITH THE CONCRETE CASE AND THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO BE LIABLE FOR REMOVING IT EVERY TIME. THEN WE'D HAVE TO AGREE TO REMOVE IT IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME OF THE CITY'S REQUIREMENT AND THEN PUT IT BACK. IF THERE IS AN OPTION TO MOVE THE SIGN OUTSIDE OF THE EASEMENT THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE 6-10 UTILITIES TO AGREE THAT WE ARE IN THAT SPACE, WE'D LIKE TO GO IN THAT SPACE. >> THERE IS A SMALL AREA TO BE ABLE TO PLACE IT WITHOUT TAKING A PARKING SPACE THAT'S STILL IN THE EASEMENT, SO WE CAN'T DO THAT EITHER. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT IF THERE'S AN OPTION TO MOVE IT, [02:00:01] WHY WOULD WE NOT BE ALLOWED THAT LITTLE BIT OF AN OPTION? IF THE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT HAVE A POLE SIGN HAD TO GO THROUGH THE VARIANCE, THEY HAD TO GO THROUGH THE SAME THING. WHY WOULD THEY GET ALLOWED SO THAT THEY'RE NOT STUCK WITH A MONUMENT SIGN THAT'S SITTING 25 FEET BACK? >> ARE BOTH SIGNS POLE SIGNS? >> YES. >> IS THE ONE OVER THE SEWER? IS THAT A MONUMENT SIGN? >> THE ONE THAT WAS INITIALLY PROPOSED AS A MONUMENT SIGN. YES, SIR. >> WHAT'S THE LANDSCAPE DOWN ONE? I MEAN, DO WE HAVE THAT MANY MEMORIAL SIGNS? DO WE HAVE ANY POLE SIGNS? ARE THEY OLD POLE SIGNS OUT THERE? WHAT'S AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF ONE GO TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE? ARE WE TRYING TO DRAW THE LINE ON THIS? >> I WANT TO SAY DRAW THE LINE. JUST LOOKING AT THE CODE, YOU HAVE ELK DRIVE AS THE STOPPING POINT IN THE CODE. AS YOU CONTINUE SOUTH, IF THERE ARE POLE SIGNS, WHICH THEY ARE, THEY WOULD HAVE HAD TO COME IN AND REQUESTED ADVANCE AT SOME POINT OR HAVE BEEN GRANDFATHERED FROM PREVIOUS USE. BUT ANYTIME WE GET A SIGN THAT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE AS OF TODAY, WE REVIEW IT STRICTLY BASED ON THE MERITS OF WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED, IS WHAT I'M SAYING. IT STANDS ON ITS OWN, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT. AGAIN, AS BAYER PRO TEM HAS STATED, A MONUMENT SIGN CAN BE PLACED ON THE PROPERTY AS ORIGINALLY INTENDED RIGHT NOW, BUT THEIR CONCERNS ARE COST BUT HAVING TO REPLACE THAT SIGN. >> IF THE LINE IS DAMAGED. >> YES. IF WE GO IN THERE AND THEY HAVE TO REPLACE THE SIGN, THERE ARE SOME COST CONSIDERATIONS THEY HAVE TO BEAR. >> IS THERE A POSSIBILITY ABOUT WHAT DAN WAS TALKING ABOUT? IF YOU GO IN THERE AND SLEEVE THIS AND WE'RE COUNT WORTH THE LENGTH OF PROTECTION WE HAVE, WOULD WE BE COMFORTABLE WITH WAVING THEM OR REMOVING THE SIGN? >> WELL, I KNOW IN TALKING TO THE CITY ENGINEER, SHE PREVIOUSLY STATED THAT SHE WOULD BE AMENABLE TO STEALING ENCASING FOR THE SITE. BUT AGAIN, THAT I DON'T KNOW. >> IT WASN'T PRESENTED. >> I'M SORRY. WHAT? >> IT WASN'T PRESENTED TO US THAT OPTION. >> SHE'S CORRECT. IT WASN'T. >> IT COULD HAVE BEEN AFTER THE FACT, BUT WHEN WE APPLY YOUR VARIANCE, IT WAS NEVER PRESENTED. >> GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, JUST WITH REGARDS TO THE FORM AGREEMENT FOR CLARITY, ENCASEMENT OR NO ENCASEMENT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WOULD GENERALLY BE TO LEAVE THAT LANGUAGE TO ABSOLVE THE CITY OF RISK. IF THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION TO THE STAFF IS WITH A CERTAIN LEVEL OF ENCASEMENT, YOU'RE OKAY WITH REMOVING THAT FROM OUR STANDARD FORM AGREEMENT, WE WOULD LOOK FOR YOU FOR THAT DIRECTION. >> THE CHANCES OF IT GETTING DAMAGED WITHOUT THE CASEMENT IS VERY SLIM, BUT NOW WE'VE GOT TO ADDED PROTECTION. I'M FOR IT. I THINK THAT'S THE WAY TO GO. >> I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU, BUT I WANT SOME CLARIFICATION ON THIS. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I SAW THIS. JUST A PREFERENCE, I LIVE IN THIS AREA, SO I CAN TELL THEM HOW MANY SIGNS THERE ARE. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY, I COULD, TOO, BUT I WAS TRYING NOT TO PICK A BATTLE. >> ON HERE, TONY, I'M WANTING YOUR INPUT ON THIS. >> YES. >> ON THIS PICTURE, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE SEWER LINE IS. WE CAN SEE THAT RIGHT THERE. I ASSUME THIS WOULD BE A VARIANCE STILL. COULD WE NOT PUT IT ON THIS SIDE OF THIS POLE WITH THE CASING THAT DAN WAS REFERRING TO, AND DO A POLE SIGN NOT A MONUMENT? >> THERE ARE TWO CORE ISSUES. ONE IS, I THINK MAYBE MORE SO THAN THE OTHER. I'VE SEEN IT. THE TYPE OF SIGN GOING FROM MONUMENT TO POLE IS ONE CONSIDERATION, AND THEN YOU HAVE, I THINK, A MINOR SETBACK VARIANCE REQUEST FROM TEN FEET TO EIGHT FEET SIX INCHES. I BELIEVE IT IS SIX INCHES. >> YOU'RE RIGHT. >> WHAT YOU'RE WRESTLING WITH IS THE TYPE OF SIGN. POLE IS BEING PROPOSED VERSUS MAYER WHICH IS ALLOWED. THEN THE SETBACK IS JUST A SLIDE ENCROACHMENT INTO THE REQUIRED YARD. THE EASEMENT IS THE ONE CONSTANT. IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHAT TYPE OF SIGN. IF IT'S WITHIN AN EASEMENT, YOU HAVE TO GET A RIGHT AWAY EASEMENT AGREEMENT. YOU DON'T GET AWAY FROM THAT IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THE SIGN PLACED [02:05:04] ALONG THE WILL SHOWER FRONTAGE BECAUSE EASEMENT WENT FROM TEN FEET TO 25 FEET. JUST LIKE WE DO ANY OTHER THE RIGHT AWAY EASEMENT AGREEMENT, AND THE CITY MANAGER HAD MENTIONED A FORM AGREEMENT. ANYTIME THOSE COME FORWARD, THE CITY DOESN'T WANT TO BEAR THE RESPONSIBILITY AND THE COST OF REPAIRING OR REPLACING PRIVATE IMPROVEMENTS. THAT'S WHY ALL PARTIES SIGN THE AGREEMENT, UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE, AND THEN YOU CAN UTILIZE THAT PROPERTY WITH AN EASEMENT. >> THE CITY NEEDS TO BE CAREFUL AS WE WORK THROUGH THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS HERE. I'VE HEARD SOME COMMENTS MADE. I KNOW THE COUNCIL IS JUST TESTING OUT THE WATERS OF WHAT MIGHT WORK. RECOGNIZE WE CANNOT MAKE A REPRESENTATION THAT WE WILL GO IN AND REPAIR OR REPLACE THE SIGN IF IT'S DAMAGED. ARTICLE 3, SECTION 52 OF THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION IS A SPECIFIC PROHIBITION AGAINST US USING PUBLIC MONEY THAT WE HOLD IN TRUST FOR OUR CITIZENS, TO UNDERTAKE AN IMPROVEMENT FOR A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL. THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO IS PERHAPS HAVE OUR ENGINEERING PEOPLE GIVE US THEIR BEST JUDGMENT AS TO WHETHER A STEEL ENCASEMENT WOULD CREATE IN A VERY EXTREME OBJECTION. WELL, ASSURANCE THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A FAILURE THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE REPLACEMENT OF THE SIGN, BUT WE CAN'T UNDERTAKE ON BEHALF OF THE PUBLIC TO REPLACE THE SIGN ITSELF. THAT WILL ALWAYS REMAIN WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS. IT'S GOT TO BE UNDERSTOOD THAT EASEMENT EXISTS FOR A SPECIFIC PUBLIC PURPOSE, AND IT BENEFITS EVERYBODY THAT FRONTS ALONG THAT ROADWAY CORRIDOR WHERE THE UTILITIES ARE EXTENDED. IT EXISTS FOR A REASON. COUPLED WITH A COMMENT THAT TONY MADE THAT I WANT TO BE SURE WE TAKE IN CONTEXT. EACH REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE DOES STAND ALONE. IT DOES NOT CREATE A BINDING PRECEDENT ON ALL FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. BUT WE DON'T DISALLOW THE FACT THAT A COURT, IF A LITIGATION EVER AROSE, WOULD LOOK TO SEE WHETHER A CITY HAD A PRACTICE OR POLICY OF GRANTING VARIANCES ROUTINELY. THEN IF THAT'S THE CASE, THE COURT'S GOING TO PRESUME THE LEGISLATURE REALLY DIDN'T INTEND THAT RULE TO EXIST. A PRIOR COUNSEL, NOT THIS COUNSEL, MADE A DECISION THAT ELK WAS THE IN LINE FOR THE POLL SIGNS. FOR WHATEVER THEIR MOTIVATION WAS, AESTHETICS, SITE CONTROL, VISIBILITY, PROPERTY VALUE MAINTENANCE, NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER MAINTENANCE, THEY MADE THAT JUDGMENT CALL. IF WE START GRANTING VARIANCES BECAUSE IT'S DIFFICULT TO REPLACE IT, IT BECOMES PROGRESSIVELY MORE DIFFICULT TO TELL FUTURE APPLICANTS, YOU'RE NOT AS EQUAL TO A PIG. IT WON'T WORK FOR YOU. ONCE WE START DOWN THAT SLOPE, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WE'RE ON A SKATEBOARD AND UNFORTUNATE THINGS CAN HAPPEN. THE CRITICAL QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE COST OF THE ENCASEMENT AND WHO WOULD BEAR IT? WOULD APPEAR TO BE THE QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. >> THE SIGN ORDINANCE, OF COURSE, MAYOR PRO TEM, I THINK YOU WERE ON COUNCIL IN 2015, BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS DONE. THE YAMAHA DEALERSHIP, THE TAKE FIVE WAS A VALVELIN, I BELIEVE, AND THEN THE COLLISION PLACE, SO THEY WERE ALREADY EXISTING, I THINK AT THE TIME THAT THE ORDINANCE WENT IN PLACE, SO THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED IN. I THINK THAT'S WHY THEY'RE THERE. THEY NEVER HAD A VARIANCE TO BEGIN WITH. THEN WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT GOT APPROVED LAST WEEK DOWN THE WAY IN OTHER DEVELOPMENT GOING FORWARD ABOUT ALLOWING THE VARIANCE. >> HAVING TO WRESTLE WITH THAT. >> ANYBODY ELSE? >> I DON'T KNOW THE REASONING OF WHY ELK DRIVE WAS THE STOPPING POINT. BUT NOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE SO MUCH MORE DEVELOPMENT HEADING THAT DIRECTION, AND SO WE CAN GO DOWN THIS SLOPE, BUT THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE FALLING INTO INSTANCES THAT ALAN FOREWARNED US ABOUT WELL, THEN WHAT LEGS DO WE HAVE TO STAND ON WHEN SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO ARGUE THAT. I MEAN, I THINK EXPLORING OTHER OPTIONS, OBVIOUSLY, THE CLIENT NEEDS TO GET ESTIMATES ON WHAT THAT ENCASEMENT WOULD COST, AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE CEMENT AND SEE IT AND STILL MAY BE COST PROHIBITIVE, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH EXPLORING, IF ALL ARE WILLING TO. >> THAT GOES TO YOU GUYS. >> YEAH. >> YOU NEED TO KNOW THE SPECS OF WHAT'S REQUIRED SO WE CAN TAKE IT BACK TO YOU. [02:10:03] >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. >> I MEAN, IT DOESN'T TAKE IT AS A LOSS IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS AN OPTION THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT BECAUSE THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THE SIGN CLOSER. THE QUESTION WOULD BE, WE STILL GO THROUGH THE SIGN EASEMENT AGREEMENT? THERE'S NEVER A PROBLEM WITH THAT. WHAT DO WE DO IF NOT EVERYBODY APPROVES? DO WE END UP BACK HERE? ASKING FOR THE SAME THING. >> TONY, COULD THEY GET WITH YOU AND GO OR LIKE OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S OPEN SOME COMMUNICATION BETWEEN YOU? BUT LET'S EXPLORE THEIR OPTIONS. I DON'T WANT TO SAY NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT OR YES. I DON'T HAVE A DEFINITIVE ANSWER BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS THAT COULD BE OUT THERE WHERE WE WANT EVERYBODY TO BE SUCCESSFUL. >> LET'S DO THIS. LET'S TABLE THIS. >> MAYOR, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET A SPEAKER CARD, AND MR. SANDERS IS FILLING OUT A SPEAKER CARD RIGHT NOW TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. MR. SANDERS. >> THE DAMS ON THE RIGHT ROAD JUST PUT A SLEEVE. THIS JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT THE ELEVATIONS ARE ON THE EXISTING UTILITIES. DON'T YOU STILL DO IT LIKE YOU DO IN PLUMBING, TWO PIPE SIZE IS LARGER AND DO PVC, LIKE A C 900. IT WON'T RUN. THEN YOU CAN PULL SOMETHING IT IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM. IF YOU HAVE OTHER UTILITIES, THEY PROBABLY HAVE THE 811, I'M SURE. WELL, THEY'RE GOING TO KNOW WHAT UTILITIES THEY ARE IN THERE AND IF YOU ALL REQUIRE A UTILITY COMPANY TO GIVE CLEARANCES, WHICH I'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH BEFORE. IT'S REALLY SIMPLE. THEY COULD TAKE CARE OF THAT, AND THEN PRESENT IT TO YOU IF THAT'S REQUIRED. IT'S GOING TO BE LEFT UP TO THE LEGAL SIDE. >> WE'RE GOING TO TABLE IT AND GET THAT NUMBER, AND THEN WE'LL GET THEM TO COME BACK WHEN THEY'RE READY. >> THEY COULD PUT THE SLEEVE IN OVER THE UTILITIES. DO HYDRO EXCAVATION IF NEEDED, IF THERE'S A LOT OF UTILITIES THERE, EXPOSE IT, SLEEVE IT, AND LET THEM PUT THE SIGN UP. >> LET THEM GET PRICES AND GET BACK TO US. >> THANK YOU, PHILIP. IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH TABLE IN THIS? IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU. >> YOU'LL LET US KNOW. YOU GET WITH THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE AND LET US KNOW WHEN YOU'RE READY TO COME BACK. THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> AMANDA IS LOOKING AT ME. WE DO NOT HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE TO A SPECIFIC DATE, SIR. THE APPLICANT SIMPLY NEEDS TO NOTIFY THE CITY STAFF THAT THEY'RE READY TO PROCEED AGAIN, AND IT CAN BE PLACED ON THE NEXT AGENDA. >> I AGREE WITH THAT. I JUST WANTED A PUBLIC STATEMENT FOR THOSE VIEWING AND FOR THE APPLICANT'S CONSIDERATION THAT HE UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE. >> WITHDRAW MY MOTION TO TABLE. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THAT BRINGS US BACK TO SECTION 8. WE'VE ALREADY HANDLED 8A, SO NOW WE ARE ON 8B, TO RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION, [8.B.Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide direction regarding the Equipment Replacement Fund (ERF) Policy, which is designed to provide financial stability to the purchase of vehicles and equipment. (Staff Contact: Harlan Jefferson, Deputy City Manager)] AND PROVIDE DIRECTION REGARDING THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND, THE ERF POLICY, WHICH IS DESIGNED TO PROVIDE FINANCIAL STABILITY TO THE PURCHASE OF VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT. THE STAFF PRESENTER IS HARLAN JEFFERSON, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER. MR. JEFFERSON WE'VE KNOWN YOU FOR THIS. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS, WE DISCUSSED FIVE YEAR FORECAST FOR ALL OF OUR FUNDS, EXCEPT FOR THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUNDS. WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO PROPOSE CHANGES THAT WOULD MAKE A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN THAT FIVE YEAR PERIOD, SO WE WANTED TO DELAY THAT FORECAST UNTIL WE HAD A CHANCE TO MEET WITH THE COUNCIL WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. WE DID MAKE THIS PRESENTATION LAST MONTH TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE AND THEY RECEIVED THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS WELL TO FORWARD ON TO YOU. I'D LIKE TO MENTION, THIS IS MY FOURTH TIME WORKING ON AN EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND. THE LAST TWO COMMUNITIES I WORKED WITH, I WAS A PART OF THE TEAM TO CREATE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUNDS, BUT PRIOR TO THAT, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVITALIZE AN EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND, SO WE'VE ENJOYED THIS EXPERIENCE. I THINK OVERALL, THE GOAL OF THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND IS TO PROVIDE OUR STAFF WITH THE TOOLS THEY NEED TO DO THE JOB IN A TIMELY MANNER, MAKE SURE THEY HAVE QUALITY EQUIPMENT TO WORK WITH. TRACE OF THE PURPOSE. REALLY WE WANT TO ESTABLISH A POLICY AND PROCEDURES TO [02:15:03] ENSURE THE AVAILABILITY OF FUNDS TO REPLACE OUR VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT. I WANT TO POINT OUT THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE AT LEAST OUR RECOMMENDATION, DOES NOT INCLUDE ROLLING STOCK. THE GOAL IS TO STABILIZE THE BUDGETING FOR FUTURE REPLACEMENT OF THE ITEMS IN THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND, AND WHAT WE MEAN BY THAT IS TO TAKE OUT THESE PEAKS AND VALLEYS WHERE ONE YEAR WE'RE HAVING TO SPEND $250,000 ON REPLACEMENT EQUIPMENT, AND THE NEXT YEAR IS 2.5 MILLION DOLLARS, SO WE WANT TO TRY TO LEVELIZE THE ACTUAL IMPACT ON THE BUDGET FROM YEAR TO YEAR. THEN WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IN TERMS OF IMPLEMENTATION, FACILITATE THE TIMELY REPLACEMENT AND PURCHASES OF OUR EQUIPMENT AND THE DISPOSAL OF THOSE ITEMS WHEN IT'S TIME TO MOVE THEM OUT OF THE FLEET. THE OVERVIEW OF THE PRESENTATION, WE WANT TO WALK THROUGH THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND. WE TALKED ABOUT THE COMPONENTS OF THE DRAFT POLICY, INCLUDING THE USEFUL LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THE UNITS, THE OPTIONS FOR HAVING A FUNDING RANGE 65-70%. ALSO, WE WANT TO REALLY CEMENT THE DIRECTION YOU'VE GIVEN US IN THE PAST OF DEBT FUNDING, THE LARGER EQUIPMENT ITEMS IN OUR FLEET. WE'RE PROPOSING A TEST CASE OF A SHORTER REPLACEMENT, A SCHEDULE FOR CERTAIN UNITS TO SEE IF WE CAN REDUCE THE TOTAL LIFECYCLE COST OF THOSE UNITS, AND AGAIN REMOVING THE NOUN ROLLING STOCK FROM THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND WITH THE EXCEPTION OF GENERATORS BECAUSE OF THEIR COSTS. >> SORRY, ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION. IT WAS POLICY EVALUATION COMMITTEE WE WENT TO PROVIDING [INAUDIBLE] >> SORRY. THANK YOU. THEN WE'LL GO INTO THE NEXT STEPS AND THEN THERE ARE FUTURE STEPS AS WELL. >> IN TERMS OF FUNDING GOES, WE RECOMMEND THE LEVEL OF 65% TO 75%. WE DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BE AT 100% OF FUNDING FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. ONE, WE'RE NOT REPLACING THE TOTAL FLEET AT ONE TIME. IT'S ONLY A PORTION FROM YEAR TO YEAR. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE INTEREST INCOME THAT WOULD BE CONTRIBUTED TO THE FUND, AS WELL AS THE PROCEEDS FROM WHEN WE SELL THE ITEMS THAT AUCTION OR WHATEVER DISPOSAL METHOD WE'D ELECT TO USE. WE DID DO A LOT OF S IN TERMS OF TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE FIND THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL. ORIGINALLY, WHEN THESE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUNDS WERE IMPLEMENTED, WE USED PURCHASE COSTS AS A REPLACEMENT LEVEL, AND THEN WE KNEW WE WOULD HAVE TO INCUR INFLATION, BUT INFLATION WAS COVERED BY THE INTEREST INCOME OR THE PROCEEDS FROM AUCTION. TODAY, THOUGH, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE FLEET, WE ACTUALLY UPDATE THE VALUE OR THE PURCHASE COST EVERY YEAR. WE TRY TO SEE WHAT IS THE CURRENT PRICE OF THE UNITS IF WE WOULD GO OUT AND REPLACE THEM, SO WE'RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF PURCHASE. ONCE WE START LOOKING AT THE NEW UPDATED COST TO NEUTRALIZE THE INFLATION IMPACT IN THE SHOP IN ALL WE MIGHT EXPERIENCE, THEN WE REALIZED WE DIDN'T HAVE TO BE AT 100%. WE COULD BACK THAT NUMBER DOWN. AS AN EXAMPLE, WE LOOKED AT PENSION FUNDS AT THEIR FUNDING LEVEL, AND YOU'LL SEE A NUMBER OF PENSION FUNDS HAVE A FUNDING LEVEL AROUND 80%. CURRENTLY, WITH TMRS, OUR LEVEL IS AT 82, 83%. ONCE WE DID THAT, WE SAID THE GOAL WAS NOT TO OVERFUND THESE FUNDS, BUT TRY TO FIND THE RIGHT WINDOW, AND TO BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR CURRENT PRACTICE IN TERMS OF FUND BALANCE. WE HAVE A RANGE THAT WE SHOOT FOR, SO WE WANTED TO COME BACK WITH A RANGE. MATHEMATICALLY, WE CALCULATE EVERYTHING RIGHT AT 70%, BUT WE ACTUALLY TRYING TO HIT WITHIN A CERTAIN RANGE OF THOSE FUNDS. NOW, HERE'S THE NUMBERS ON THE PROPRIETARY EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUNDS. WE HAVE 66 UNITS EXCLUDING THE SEWER VACUUM TRUCK BECAUSE ITS REPLACEMENT COSTS IS OVER 300,000, SO WE PAY 2.9 MILLION DOLLARS TO PURCHASE THOSE UNITS, AND THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING WE CURRENTLY WOULD NEED TO REPLACE THEM IS AT 3.1 MILLION DOLLARS. THAT IS THE NUMBER REALLY BASED ON THE DEPRECIATION. WE LOOK AT HOW MUCH OF DEPRECIATION VALUE WE'VE INCURRED, BASED ON THE UPDATED REPLACEMENT COSTS, AND THAT'S HOW WE ARRIVED AT THE 3.1 MILLION DOLLARS. THE 70% OF THAT NUMBER IS 2.1 MILLION DOLLARS. AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER 30, 2024, WE HAD $491,000 IN THE FUND BALANCE, SO IT WAS ONLY 15.7% FUNDED. THE SHORTFALL BEING THE 1.6 MILLION DOLLARS, IS WHAT WE NEED TO GET THE 70%. THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO MAKE [02:20:03] A ONE-TIME TRANSFER FROM THE WATER AND SEWER FUND TO BRING US UP TO THE 70% LEVEL. THAT WOULD BE $1,564,000. IT'S NOT THE EXACT 1.6 THAT WE TALKED ABOUT ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE BECAUSE THAT TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION THE GOLF COURSE EQUIPMENT THAT'S IN THE PROPRIETARY FUND. AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER 30, 2024, THE WORKING CAPITAL AND THE WATER AND WASTEWATER FUND WAS OVER $12 MILLION. IT WAS $14.2 MILLION, IF YOU CONSIDER THE IMPACT FEE FUNDING THAT'S IN THAT FUND, SO WE'RE REALLY SUBTRACTING OUT THE IMPACT FEE FUNDS. RIGHT NOW, IF YOU WERE TO MAKE THE ONE-TIME TRANSFER, WE WOULD MOVE THE WORKING CAPITAL PERCENT FROM 40% DOWN TO 35%, AND THAT WOULD BE AT $10.4 MILLION, AGAIN, EXCLUDING THE ROLLING STOCK WITH THE EXCEPTION OF GENERATORS. NOW, WITH REGARD TO THE GOVERNMENTAL EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND, IT HAS 224 UNITS IN IT, THAT'S, EXCLUDE THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE OVER $300,000 AS THE FIRE APPARATUS, POLICE COMMAND, VEHICLE, AS WELL AS PUBLIC WORKS EQUIPMENT, THAT BEING A LOADER AND A STREET SWEEPER. THE PURCHASE PRICE WAS OVER NINE MILLION DOLLARS. THE CURRENT FUNDING NEEDED IS 8.8 MILLION DOLLARS, 70% FOR THAT FUND IS 6.1 MILLION DOLLARS, AND AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER 30, 2024, WE WERE AT 5.1 MILLION DOLLARS, SO THAT FUND IS 58.6% FUNDED. TO BE AT 70%, IT NEEDS AN ADDITIONAL $999,000. THIS INCLUDES THE LIST OF A EQUIPMENT THAT'S OVER $300,000. WE HAVE 22 UNITS, 17 OF THEM ARE PRIMARY, FIVE OF THEM ARE RESERVE. THE RESERVES REALLY HAVE ALREADY BEEN REPLACED, SO THEY AREN'T REALLY IN THE CALCULATION OF THE NUMBERS, BUT THE CITY IS PAID 6.7 MILLION DOLLARS FOR THOSE ITEMS. IF YOU WERE TO GO OUT AND REPLACE THE WHOLE FLEET AT 17 UNITS, YOU WOULD NEED $10.7 MILLION, AND THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE THE UNITS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ORDERED, BUT YET TO BE RECEIVED. YOU ORDERED, I THINK, MAY OF 2023, TWO FIRE ENGINES THAT IS NOT INCLUDED HERE. THE UNITS THAT WE'VE ADDED TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN WOULD BE IN THE FUTURE, BASED ON THIS STRATEGY, IS THE SEWER TRUCK THAT'S ON YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT TO BE FUNDED IN 2025, TWO EMS UNITS THAT'S ON YOUR AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION. I THINK THEY WERE PUTTING A QUEUE A YEAR AGO, AND THEY WOULD BE RECEIVED IN 2026. STREET SWEEPER THAT'S SCHEDULED TO BE REPLACED IN 2026, THE ONE THAT WAS BROKEN AND WASN'T AVAILABLE FOR THE CLEANUP AFTER RECENT INCLEMENT WEATHER. FOUR EMS UNITS THAT WERE PURCHASED IN 2023, BUT SCHEDULED TO BE REPLACED IN 2028 ON A FIVE-YEAR ANTICIPATED REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE. A LADDER TRUCK AND A BRUSH TRUCK FOR FIRE STATION 4 IN 2029, AS WELL AS A BEARCAT TO BE REPLACED IN 2029, BASED ON OUR SCHEDULE. WE WANT TO POINT OUT SOME OPTIONS TO ACCOMMODATE THESE ITEMS IN THE CIP. YOU'D HAVE TO MODIFY THE CIP TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THE VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT THAT I JUST LISTED UNDER THE CURRENT CAPACITY. TO DO THAT, YOU MAY HAVE TO CONSIDER ADJUSTING THE I&S TAX RATE, THE INTEREST AND SINKING TAX RATE THAT IS. THIS IS APPROXIMATELY EIGHT MILLION DOLLARS TO BE ADDED, SO ANOTHER WAY TO ADJUST IT IS TO MOVE PROJECTS AROUND ON THE CIP TO ACCOMMODATE THIS EIGHT MILLION DOLLARS. JUST WANT TO REMIND THE COUNCIL WE'VE HAD THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE REAPPRAISAL PLAN BEING DELAYED EARLIER, SO WE HAVE TO REALLY EVALUATE ITS IMPACT ON THE CIP AS WELL. THE SCHEDULE WOULD BE TO REALLY CONTINUE TO WORK ON THE CIP, BUT BEGIN THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNCIL ONCE WE RECEIVE THE PRELIMINARY TAX ROLLS SO WE CAN HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THE REAPPRAISAL PLAN IT'S GOING TO IMPACT US. >> MAYOR, COUNCIL, I WOULD JUST WANT TO CHIME IN HERE TO ECHO WHAT HARLAN HAS SAID. ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WAS DISCUSSED, POLICY EVALUATION COMMITTEE IS THAT I WANT TO BE ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT A CHANGE LIKE THIS, WHILE STAFF'S MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION, WOULD BE IMPACTFUL TO YOUR CIP. THE OPTION IN LIEU OF DOING THIS WOULD BE TO SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASE THE CONTRIBUTION THAT THE GENERAL FUND MAKES TO THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE [02:25:01] A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION EITHER ON THE I&S SIDE OR THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION SIDE. WE THINK WHEN YOU HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY IN THE INTEREST AND SINKING SIDE, WHICH IS WHY WE'VE MADE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HAVE FOR THE DEBT SERVICE. THE OTHER THING THAT I WANT TO MAKE ABUNDANTLY CLEAR, AS WELL, IS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A POTENTIAL SHIFT OF EIGHT MILLION DOLLARS INTO YOUR CIP, BUT BECAUSE WE'D BE MAKING THE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS ON THE LIVES OF THE VEHICLE, NOT ON THE 20-YEAR BOND. YOUR FIRE APPARATUS, THEY MAY LAST 18 YEARS. YOU AMBULANCES MAY LAST FIVE. THE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT ARE GOING TO BE ADJUSTED TO THAT. ALL THE PROJECTS IN YOUR CURRENT CIP ARE BASED ON A 20-YEAR BOND. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADJUST YOUR CIP BY, IT EXCEEDS EIGHT MILLION DOLLARS, AND I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THE OPTIONS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. >> THIS IS THE CIP FORMAT THAT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH. IN GREEN AT THE BOTTOM IS WHERE WE ADDED THE ADDITIONAL ITEMS. YOU SEE THE TWO EMS UNITS THAT ARE TO BE PRESENTED TO YOU LATER. TODAY, YOU SEE THE ONE REPLACEMENT SWEEPER AS WELL ON THIS LIST FOR 2026. EVEN THOUGH THOSE TWO EMS UNITS ON YOUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT, THEY WON'T ARRIVE UNTIL NEXT YEAR, SO WE WOULDN'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO PAY FOR THEM FOR ANOTHER YEAR. THEN, FOR 2028, WE HAVE THE FOUR REPLACEMENT EMS UNITS THAT I MENTIONED IN 2029, YOU HAVE THE NEW LADDER TRUCK, THE BRUSH TRUCK, AS WELL AS THE BEARCAT REPLACEMENT LISTED ON YOUR AGENDA. THEN THIS IS THE WATER AND SEWER FIVE-YEAR CIP. WE HAVE THE SEWER TRUCK THAT'S LISTED HERE THAT WE'VE ADDED FOR 2025 ON YOUR LIST. THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE GOVERNMENTAL EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND, ONE IS TO SET THE CONTRIBUTION LEVEL FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025/26 BUDGET AT A LEVEL THAT WE COULD REACH 70% OVER A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD. BECAUSE OF THE FUND BALANCE THAT WE HAVE TODAY, WE DON'T HAVE TO RUSH LIKE WE DO IN THE WATER AND WASTEWATER FUND AND MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO ACCELERATE REACHING THE 70%. WE THINK WE COULD SLOWLY GET THERE. FINANCIALLY, IT DOESN'T CAUSE US ANY HARM. CONSIDER THE PILOT PROGRAM, WHICH I'LL WALK THROUGH IN A MINUTE TO POTENTIALLY EARLY FUND REPLACEMENT ITEMS, CONTINUE TO FUND FIRE APPARATUS, POLICE APPARATUS, AS WELL AS THE LARGER PUBLIC WORKS EQUIPMENT OVER 300,000 THROUGH DEBT, AND THEN EXCLUDE THE NON-ROLLING STOCK WITH THE EXCEPTION WITH GENERATORS. IN TERMS OF USEFUL LIFE, REALLY STAFF IS MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ON THE SCHEDULE POLICY WE'VE GIVEN YOU EXHIBIT A. WE'VE REVIEWED THAT WITH OUR STAFF MEMBERS THAT HAVE A FLEET WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE IN AGREEMENT IN ALIGNMENT ON THE USEFUL LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THE UNITS. I SHOULD MENTIONED WE USE THE USEFUL LIFE FOR FINANCIAL REASONS TO CALCULATE WHEN WE EXPECT TO HAVE MONEY AVAILABLE. THE UNITS WON'T AUTOMATICALLY BE REPLACED. WHEN THEY HIT THOSE BENCHMARKS, THAT MEANS THEY'RE GOING TO BE EVALUATED. OCCASIONALLY, WE MAY HAVE A LEMON IN THE FLEET THAT MAY NEED TO BE REPLACED EARLIER, BUT IF YOU MAINTAIN THEM WELL, THEY TEND TO MOVE BEYOND, WHAT WE HAVE NUMERICALLY. WE'RE JUST USING THAT TO CALCULATE FINANCIALLY WHEN WE NEED TO HAVE MONEY FOR THEM. IT'S NOT AN AUTOMATIC REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE. THEN WE'RE GOING TO COORDINATE WITH OUR EXTERNAL AUDITORS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE TIMEFRAME WE HAVE, AND WE'LL GET ALL THAT DONE BEFORE WE SUBMIT THE FINAL POLICY FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER FOR APPROVAL. THE TEST CASE THAT I REFERENCED EARLIER, CITIES HAVE A DISCOUNT WHEN WE GO OUT AND PURCHASE EQUIPMENT, SO WE BUY ITEMS UNDER MARKET VALUE. GENERALLY, OTHER THAN THE TAHOE'S AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, PURSUIT RATE ONES THAT THEY USE FOR PATROLLING, WE GENERALLY HAVE LOWER ANNUAL MILEAGE USAGE ON THOSE UNITS. IF WE TAKE THOSE BACK OUT TO THE MARKET AND RESELL THEM EARLIER, THEN WE COULD REALLY GET THE SAME PRICE THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC WOULD ON THE RESALE, SO THAT COULD CLOSE THE GAP IN TERMS OF OVERALL COSTS. WE NEVER HAVE TO INCUR EXCESSIVE MAINTENANCE. UNITS IN MANY CASES, WON'T ROLL OFF OF THEIR WARRANTY, SO WE'RE JUST BASICALLY PAYING FOR FEW TIRE REPLACEMENT AND PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE AND THEN WE CAN TAKE THEM BACK OUT TO THE MARKET AND REALLY CLOSE THE OVERALL COSTS ON UNITS. WE'VE IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WE THINK ARE ELIGIBLE THAT'S LISTED ON THIS LIST. WE KNOW THE PURCHASE PRICE. WE KNOW WHEN WE PURCHASED THEM. [02:30:02] THEN WE WENT OUT AND DID AN INTERNET SEARCH AND FOUND THE RANGE OF WHAT WE THINK WE COULD GET THESE UNITS FOR TODAY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIRST ITEM ON THE LIST ASSET 923, IF WE WERE TO GO OUT AND SELL THAT ON THE BEST-CASE SCENARIO, IT WOULD HAVE ONLY COST US $1,842, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TOP RANGE AND WHAT WE PAID FOR IT. IN THE LOWER RANGE, THE DIFFERENCE IS 5,900. NOW, I THINK THE NUMBER WILL PROBABLY END UP SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN THOSE, SO REALLY IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, AFTER 3-4 YEARS, IT COULD COST US SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THOSE NUMBERS, WHICH IS PROBABLY A REASONABLE COST FOR A UNIT. BUT TO COMPLETE THE ANALYSIS, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT WOULD IT COST US TO GO OUT AND BUY A NEW UNIT AT $32,320. IN THAT CASE, THE NEW UNIT, BEYOND WHAT WE WOULD GET AT RESALE, THE BEST-CASE SCENARIO TO COST US ADDITIONAL $10,720, IN THE WORST CASE 14,820. LESS THAN HALF THE COST IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST US FOR THE NEW UNIT WITH THIS SCENARIO. I THINK THE BOTTOM SCENARIO, IF YOU LOOK AT UNIT 840, IT GETS REALLY GOOD IN TERMS OF THE LIFE CYCLE AFTER THREE OR FOUR YEARS, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE BEST-CASE SCENARIO TO ONLY COSTS US $680 AND THE WORST CASE, $5,600, AND STILL LESS THAN HALF THE COST, THE WORST CASE FOR BUYING THE NEW UNIT. THIS SCENARIO REALLY BECAME ATTRACTIVE AROUND THE PANDEMIC WHEN USED VEHICLES BECAME HARD TO GET, AND THE PRICE STARTED RISING ON THEM BECAUSE OF THE PRICE ON NEW UNITS STARTED RISING AS WELL, SO PEOPLE, AS THE DEFAULT, STARTED GOING TO USE VEHICLES. FIVE YEARS LATER, THIS SCENARIO IS STILL AROUND. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT'LL STILL BE ADVANTAGEOUS FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, AND THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO DO A TEST CASE TO SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ATTRACTIVE AND USE IT TO OUR BENEFIT AS LONG AS POSSIBLE. CONSIDERATION OF RECOMMENDATIONS. AGAIN, WE PROVIDED, IN YOUR BACKUP, EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND POLICY, WHICH WE WOULD HAVE ASKED THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER IN THE FORM OF RESOLUTION AT A FUTURE MEETING, A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO TRANSFER THE 1.5 MILLION FOR THE WATER AND WASTEWATER FUND TO BRING THE PROPRIETARY ERF UP TO THE 70%, HAVE A FIVE-YEAR GOAL TO BRING THE GOVERNMENTAL ERF FUND UP TO 70%. INCREMENTALLY, WE MOVE IT UP TO THAT CONTINUED FUND. THE LARGER EQUIPMENT ITEMS, OVER 300,000 THROUGH DEBT. STAFF'S PROPOSED THE USEFUL LIFE CYCLE, WHICH WOULD BE A PART OF THE POLICY, AND THEN CONSIDER THE POTENTIAL EARLY REPLACEMENT CYCLE, TEST CASE OF UNITS. THEN FINALLY, A RECOMMENDATION THAT I HAD MENTIONED EARLIER IS TO ORDER REPLACEMENT UNITS IN JUNE OF EACH YEAR PRIOR TO THE BUDGET PROCESS BEING CONCLUDED AND THE BUDGET BEING ADOPTED. THERE'S TWO REASONS FOR THAT. THE FIRST ONE IS, COST, IF WE ORDERED CURRENT-YEAR MODEL VEHICLES, THEY'LL BE LESS EXPENSIVE THAN THE NEXT YEAR'S MODEL, IS THE MAIN REASON WE LOOKED AT THIS. THE OTHER REASON THOUGH, UNITS HAVE SUCH A LONGER DELIVERY CYCLE NOW, SO YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO ORDER THEM BECAUSE JUST THE REPLACEMENT UNITS NOT NEW. IT COMES IN THE FORM OF SUPPLEMENTAL PACKAGE, BUT IF YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO ORDER THE UNITS AND BE COMMITTED TO THAT IF YOU ORDERED IN JUNE, THEN WE COULD SAVE ANYWHERE FROM 4, 5 MONTHS ON GETTING UNITS ORDERED. ONE THING WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, IF WE WAIT TO OCTOBER AND GET IN LINE WITH ALL THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, WHEN THEY START THE NEW FISCAL YEAR, THEN THE LAKE COULD BE COMPOUNDED BY WAITING SO LONG. WE HAD A REALLY GOOD EXPERIENCE WITH THE POLICE TAHOE'S THIS PAST JUNE WHEN WE ORDERED THOSE, AND WE SAVED ENOUGH MONEY THAT EFFECTIVELY GOT TWO TAHOE'S, I BELIEVE, THAT WERE FREE BECAUSE OF THE SAVINGS, SO WE WANT TO PURSUE THOSE TYPE OF ARRANGEMENTS IN THE FUTURE AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEM AS WELL. >> OUR NEXT STEPS, YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION ON TWO EMS UNITS FROM OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT ON YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT. PUBLIC WORKS IS GOING TO MAKE A PRESENTATION ON THE SEWER VACUUM TRUCK TO BE PURCHASED AS WELL. THEN WE'LL COME BACK WITH THE ERF POLICY FOR THE COUNSEL TO CONSIDER A FUTURE DATE, FORMALIZED POLICY. THEN THIS SUMMER, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS AND DECIDE HOW TO MAKE SURE WE GET THOSE UNITS ADDED TO THE CIP AND HOW TO BEST ACCOMMODATE THOSE, [02:35:01] EITHER THROUGH THE I&S TAX RATE ADJUSTMENTS OR SOME OTHER METHOD. THEN FUTURE, WE WANT TO EVALUATE THE MERIT OF AN EXTENDED WARRANTY PROGRAM. WE HAVE THE EARLY REPLACEMENT TO TRY TO REPLACE UNITS BEFORE THEY ROLL OFF THE WARRANTY, BUT THERE COULD BE SECTION OF OUR FLEET THAT COULD BENEFIT FROM AN EXTENDED WARRANTY AS WELL. THAT'LL BE ANOTHER ACTIVITY WE ENGAGE IN. AND IT WAS A RECOMMENDATION WE HAD GOTTEN FROM THE POLICY EVALUATION COMMITTEE. NEXT, WE WANT TO REALLY BUT LOOK AT HOW TO ACCOMMODATE THE BUDGET PROCESS OR THE CIP DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE ADDITIONAL UNITS ADDED, THAT'S OVER 300,000, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION, [NOISE] ANY CAPITAL COST INCREASES, INFLATIONARY INCREASES, AND ANY OTHER NEW PROJECTS THAT THE COUNSEL TO ELECT TO ADD TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AS WELL. THEN FINALLY, LONG TERM, WE WANT TO CONTINUE EVALUATING HOW TO REPLACE ITEMS SUCH AS COMPUTER EQUIPMENT, OTHER FIRE EQUIPMENT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY TIED TO THE LIFE CYCLE OF THEIR APPARATUS, AS WELL AS A FITNESS EQUIPMENT. WE'LL COME BACK AND CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS AS WE PROGRESS. WITH THAT, I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> ANYBODY? I THINK YOU COVERED IT ALL. WHAT THAT? >> MAYOR, IF I MAY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR THAT THE COUNSEL IS COMFORTABLE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO INCLUDE UNITS UP $300,000 AS CAPITAL EXPENDITURES. I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE NEED TO GET CLEAR DIRECTION ON THIS EVENING. WE'LL BRING THE POLICY BACK ON THE 17TH. >> YES. PROBABLY LOOKING AT THE I&S RATE TO MAKE UP FOR THE EIGHT MILLION THAT'S GETTING MOVED. I ANTICIPATE LOOK AT THE I&S RATE, ALSO, BECAUSE I ANTICIPATE SOME BUDGET OVERRUNS AND OTHER ITEMS SO THAT WE'LL NEED THE EIGHT MILLION FOR OTHER THINGS, TOO. >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT [NOISE] WE HAVE DISCUSSED THE MANAGEMENT LEVEL IS WHEN WE GET THE PRELIMINARY ROLES, WE'LL HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE IMPACT OF THE REAPPRAISAL PLANS ARE AND THEY COULD BE VERY IMPACTFUL IN TERMS OF OUR GROWTH ASSUMPTIONS AND OUR GROWTH ASSUMPTIONS AND YOUR CAPACITY, AND EVERYTHING IS BASED PREDICATED ON A 5.5% GROWTH ASSUMPTION. IF THOSE CHANGE, YOUR CAPACITY IS GOING TO DECREASE, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE CONVOLUTED BY THE INCLUSION OF ANOTHER $8,000,000. SO THESE WILL CERTAINLY BE NOT EASY DISCUSSIONS OR CHOICES. BUT I THINK AGAIN, BACK TO THE FLEXIBILITY OF LIMITATIONS AND MAINTENANCE OPERATION AS OPPOSED TO YOUR CAPITAL, YOU HAVE FAR MORE FLEXIBILITY ON THE CAPITAL SIDE. >> ANYBODY ELSE? HERE WE GO. MISS MAN. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNSEL. THAT BRINGS US TO SECTION 9 GENERAL 9A [9.A.Consider and take possible action on a contract with Southern Emergency & Rescue Vehicle Sales for the purchase of two Horton 603 Type I Ambulances through a cooperative purchasing agreement with BuyBoard Vendor Contract #745-24, for a cost of $832,659.93.​ (Staff Contact: Casey Davis, Fire Chief)] IS TO CONSIDER AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION ON A CONTRACT WITH SOUTHERN EMERGENCY AND RESCUE VEHICLE SALES FOR THE PURCHASE OF TWO HORTON 603 TYPE AMBULANCES THROUGH A COOPERATIVE PURCHASE AGREEMENT [NOISE] WITH BY BOARD VENDOR CONTRACT 745-24 FOR A COST OF $832,659.93. THE STAFF PRESENTER IS CHIEF DAVIS. >> THANK YOU, MARY AND COUNSEL, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND PRESENT TO YOU TONIGHT ABOUT NEEDS FOR AMBULANCE PURCHASE. I KNOW THESE ARE SOME BIG DECISIONS FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER AS YOU WORK THROUGH THE CIP, AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT AND UNDERSTAND THAT. WE DON'T BRING THIS ASK BEFORE YOU LIGHTLY TODAY. I THINK AS YOU'LL SEE AS WE GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, MANY OF THESE SLIDES YOU SAW BACK IN NOVEMBER. WE'VE UPDATED THEM TO INCLUDE FRESH NUMBERS FOR FINISHING UP CALENDAR YEAR 2024. SO AS WE GO THROUGH THAT, SOME OF THIS WILL BE FAMILIAR SO WE CAN GET THROUGH SOME OF THAT PROBABLY MORE QUICKLY. BUT AS ALWAYS, WE HAVE OUR REPRESENTATIVE, RANDY OVERTON HERE WITH US TODAY FROM SERVE. SO IF WE HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE AMBULANCES THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING, HE'S HERE IN THE CROWD FOR US AS WELL. WE FINISHED UP OUR FIRST FULL YEAR WITH THE FISCAL YEAR, AND WE HAD SOME GREAT ACHIEVEMENTS WITH THAT. WE SUCCESSFULLY TRANSITIONED TO A FIRE-BASED DMS MODEL. THE OPERATIONAL IMPACT FOR 2024 CALENDAR YEAR WAS 6,921 MEDICAL CALLS, BUT WE'RE SEEING THAT A HIGH UNIT HOUR UTILIZATION, [02:40:02] AND WE'LL DISCUSS THAT IN MORE DETAIL HERE SHORTLY. SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE DID SEE IS FASTER RESPONSE TIMES, BETTER PATIENT CARE CONTINUITY. IT'S AN EFFICIENT DUAL ROLE MODEL WHERE FIREFIGHTERS ON THE AMBULANCE CAN FUNCTION AS BOTH FIREFIGHTERS AND EMS PROVIDERS. SO REMEMBER, WHENEVER OUR AMBULANCE SHOWS UP, THOSE FIREFIGHTERS HAVE FIRE EQUIPMENT WITH THEM. THEY CAN GO TO FIRES, THEY CAN GO TO REC, THEY CAN GO TO EMS CALLS. IT'S MORE THAN JUST BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE EMS SERVICES. CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO SEE IS OUR CALL VOLUME IS OUTPACING OUR POPULATION GROWTH. OUR ANNUAL CALL VOLUME IS MORE THAN DOUBLED IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS, AND THAT TREND CONTINUES ON. WE'RE CURRENTLY DEPENDENT UPON OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH CAREFLITE, WHICH IS A GOOD PARTNERSHIP FOR OUR INNER FACILITY TRANSFERS, AND BACKUP TO 911 RESPONSES. OUR FLEET CAPACITY IS THREE FRONTLINE AMBULANCES AND ONE RESERVE, WHICH LEAVES US A RELIANCE ON MUTUAL AID DURING PEAK PERIODS OF TIME. THIS INCREASED CALL VOLUME IS TRANSLATING INTO MORE DOWNTIME FOR AMBULANCES, ESPECIALLY AS THESE FIRST ONES THAT WE'VE PURCHASED AGED, OBVIOUSLY, THEY'RE GOING TO EXPERIENCE MORE MAINTENANCE NEEDS AND MORE DOWNTIME. IN CONCLUSION TO THAT, OUR FIRST YEAR WAS A SUCCESS. WE'VE SUCCESSFULLY TRANSITIONED OVER AND THINGS ARE GOING WELL, BUT I THINK AS WE SEE THE GROWTH OF THIS, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER MORE AMBULANCES TO THE SYSTEM. THIS SLIDE HERE SHOWS OUR LAST FIVE YEARS OF OVERALL CALL VOLUME FOR THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT, NOT JUST EMS, BUT ALL CALL VOLUME. AND AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE'VE SEEN UNPRECEDENTED GROWTH. WHENEVER FITCH AND ASSOCIATES DID OUR MASTER PLAN STUDY, THEY EXPECTED US TO HAVE A CALL VOLUME GROWTH OF 5% A YEAR. THAT WAS BASED ON THE DATA BEFORE 2020, AND THAT WAS A REALITY, BUT SINCE 2020, WE'VE SEEN JUST CONSTANT GROWTH, AND IT'S AVERAGING OUT TO BE 19% A YEAR RIGHT NOW. WE'VE KEPT WATCHING THIS THINKING THAT AT SOME POINT WE WOULD SEE SOME STABILIZATION TO THAT, AND WE JUST HAVEN'T YET. WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT WE WILL SEE THAT, BUT NOTHING IS SHOWING US THAT AT THIS POINT. WHAT CALLS HAVE WE BEEN RUNNING? I THINK THE BIG GREEN RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR SCREEN IS EMS. THAT'S THE VAST MAJORITY OF WHAT OUR DEPARTMENT DOES, AND MOST DEPARTMENTS IN THE DFW METROPLEX. SO 75.6% OF OUR CALL VOLUME IS DEDICATED TO EMS. THAT IS A BIG FUNCTION OF WHAT WE DO. OF COURSE. AGAIN, WE ARE SEEING CALL VOLUME ACROSS THE BOARD, THOUGH UP, NOT JUST EMS. WE'RE SEEING IT UP IN FIRE AND HAZARDOUS CONDITIONS AND ALL OF THOSE OTHER CATEGORIES AS WELL. BUT AGAIN, EMS JUST CONTINUES TO BE THE BIGGEST CALL VOLUME. OUR PARTNERS AT CAREFLITE, WHAT HAVE THEY DONE FOR US IN 2024? THEY RAN 353 911 CALLS, AND 1,127 INNER FACILITY CALLS TAKING THEIR TOTAL TO 1,480 FOR THE YEAR. THIS CHART HERE BREAKS OUT THE ORANGE'S INNER FACILITY AND THE BLUE IS 911. THIS IS THE SAME COMPARABLE CITIES THAT WE'VE BEEN UTILIZING THAT COUNSEL HAS REQUESTED THAT WE UTILIZE WHEN WE'RE COMPARING OURSELVES TO PIER CITIES. I WOULD FOCUS ON THE LAST COLUMN OR THE LAST ROW, THE AVERAGES DOWN THERE. IF YOU START GOING ACROSS HERE AND YOU LOOK AT THE AVERAGES, THE FIRST COLUMN IS FRONT-LINE AMBULANCES. THE AVERAGE IS 3.7, LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE THREE FRONT-LINE AMBULANCES. RESERVE AMBULANCES, THE AVERAGE IS 2.3, WE HAVE ONE RESERVE AMBULANCE. TRANSPORT VOLUME. WE'LL LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE IN-DEPTH IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES UP. BUT AGAIN, WE'RE NOT OFF FROM THE AVERAGE, WE'RE A LITTLE BELOW THE AVERAGE, BUT THERE'S MUCH LARGER CITIES INCLUDED IN HERE THAT CHANGES THAT AVERAGE. YOU HAVE GRAND PRAIRIE THAT'S RUNNING 8,500 TRANSPORTS A YEAR, SO THAT CHANGES THAT NUMBER. THEY'RE NOT VERY MUCH OF A LIKE CITY FOR US TO COMPARE OURSELVES TO. TRANSPORT VOLUME PER AMBULANCE, THOUGH. AGAIN, THE AVERAGE IS 1,100, AND WE'RE CLOSE TO 1,300 WITH OURS. WE'RE ABOVE AVERAGE THERE. A COUPLE OF OUTLIERS HERE THAT I'LL CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT THROUGH THE PRESENTATION IS CLEBURNE. THEY'RE AT 1,584, THEY'RE AT THEIR MAX. THEY'RE SEEKING OTHER AMBULANCES IN THEIR SYSTEM CURRENTLY. NORTH RICHLAND HILLS IS ANOTHER OUTLIER AT 1,400, AND THEY'RE SEEKING AMBULANCES AS WELL. [02:45:02] EVERYBODY ELSE IS CLOSER TO THE AVERAGE AT THAT 1,100 TRANSPORTS PER YEAR PER UNIT. LIKE I SAID, WE'RE DEFINITELY ABOVE AVERAGE THERE. THEN POSTING LOCATIONS AND OR STATIONS, THE AVERAGE AVERAGE OUT TO 4.5, WE'RE AT THREE, OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE PLANNING A FOUR STATION IN THE FUTURE, SO THAT WOULD GET US CLOSER TO THAT AVERAGE POINT. HERE, THIS IS THE ANNUAL TRANSPORT VOLUME. AGAIN, JUST IN A DIFFERENT FORMAT HERE TO SEE WHERE WE STACK UP. IF YOU START CONSIDERING THE CITIES THAT WE'RE COMPARING OURSELVES TO, MANSFIELD IS 80,000. NORTH RICHLAND HILLS IS 70,000. CAREFLITE IS SERVING A POPULATION IN THE COUNTY OF A LITTLE OVER 102,000. GRAND PRAIRIE IS 202,000. EVERYBODY THAT'S ABOVE US IS QUITE LARGER IN COMPARISON TO US. MORE LIKE-SIZED CITIES LIKE MIDLOTHAN, OR CEDAR HILL, OR EVEN CLEBURNE OR EULESS, YOU CAN SEE THEIR TRANSPORT VOLUME IS LESS THAN OURS. THIS 3,880, THAT IS JUST BURLSM. THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE WHAT CAREFLITE HAS DONE ON TOP OF OUR CALL VOLUME. THAT IS JUST WHAT OUR AMBULANCES HAVE DONE. WHENEVER YOU INCLUDE THEIR NUMBERS IN THERE, OBVIOUSLY, THAT WOULD RAISE THAT ANOTHER 1,400 ON TOP OF THAT. SO HERE, NOW YOU TAKE THIS NEXT SLIDE HERE. THIS IS TRANSPORTS, AVERAGE BETWEEN FRONTLINE UNITS, HOWEVER MANY FRONTLINE UNITS WE ALL HAVE. OUR AVERAGE FRONT LINE IS 1,293. AGAIN, THE OUTLIERS, NORTH RICHLAND HILLS AND CLEVELAND, THEY'RE BOTH AHEAD OF US, BUT I'VE ALREADY DESCRIBED THAT TO YOU. BUT EVERYBODY ELSE IS BELOW US WITH AN AVERAGE BEING AROUND THAT 1,100 TRANSPORTS PER FRONT-LINE UNIT. SO WE'RE DEFINITELY ABOVE THAT. I FEEL LIKE THAT WE'RE RUNNING VERY EFFICIENTLY. I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S OUT OF WHACK, THAT WE SHOULD TRY TO JUST MEET WHATEVER THE AVERAGE IS. I THINK WE SHOULD ALSO ALWAYS TRY TO LOOK AT THE DATA AND LOOK AT OUR UHU AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE RUNNING OUR AMBULANCES EFFICIENTLY, NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE SOME OF THESE OTHER CITIES, THEY HAVE JUST LOWER CALL VOLUME, BUT THEY'VE BUILT THEIR SYSTEM UP TO WHERE IT IS. YOU KNOW, THEY'LL GROW INTO THAT EVENTUALLY, I WOULD ASSUME. BUT I'M PROUD OF THE FACT THAT WE'RE ABLE TO RUN THAT AND KEEP UP WITH THAT. BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CALL VOLUME IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE A YEAR FROM NOW, SO THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO MAKE THE DECISION TONIGHT ON THE AMBULANCES. HERE AGAIN, NOW, IF YOU TAKE AND YOU COMPARE FRONTLINE AND RESERVE AMBULANCES, AND YOU TAKE THAT TRANSPORT VOLUME, THAT BLOWS US WAY OUT OF WHACK COMPARED TO EVERYONE ELSE. THE AVERAGE THERE IS 649 IF YOU INCLUDE YOUR RESERVE UNITS. WE'RE AT 992, CLEBURNE AND NORTH RICHLAND HILLS, IN THIS CASE SCENARIO REALLY AREN'T THAT FAR OFF. AND THE REASON BEING IS THEY HAVE LARGE RESERVE CAPACITY. SO IF THEY NEEDED TO TURN ON ANOTHER AMBULANCE TODAY, THEY COULD. THAT'S WHERE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE AT THE MOST VULNERABLE RISK RIGHT NOW AS I ONLY HAVE ONE RESERVE. IF I NEEDED TO TURN ANOTHER ONE ON TODAY, WE COULD DO THAT, BUT WE WOULD HAVE NO RESERVE CAPACITY LEFT. THAT PUTS US IN A MORE VULNERABLE SPOT, I THINK THAN THE OTHER CITIES IN THAT SITUATION. RESERVE CAPACITY, WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT? OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE ONE FOR THREE FRONTLINE UNITS. IF WE HAVE ANYTHING THAT GOES DOWN FOR MAINTENANCE, GENERAL MAINTENANCE, OR NEED MECHANICAL FAILURE, IF WE NEED SURGE AND CALL VOLUME, CAREFLITE DECIDED TO NO LONGER PARTNER WITH US, FOR SOME REASON. WE HAD TO TAKE OVER THAT. TRAINING AND EQUIPMENT. OBVIOUSLY, IT'S NOT JUST THE AMBULANCE ITSELF, IF A COT GOES DOWN, IF A MONITOR GOES DOWN, THOSE THINGS. WE NEED THAT BACKUP EQUIPMENT IN THOSE RESERVE UNITS AS WELL. A REDUNDANCY IF WE DID HAVE SOME MAJOR DISASTER HIT OUR COMMUNITY, AND I'VE ALREADY SPOKE ABOUT THE BACKUP EQUIPMENT. BUT THOSE ARE THE REASONS WHY IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE THE RIGHT RESERVE CAPACITY. HERE, AGAIN, WE'VE SHOWED THIS SLIDE TO YOU BEFORE. I'VE UPDATED THE NUMBERS TO FOCUS ON THE CALENDAR YEAR 2024. AGAIN, SO I THINK THERE'S TWO NUMBERS TO LOOK AT. YOUR BALLPARK NUMBER IS YOUR TRANSPORTS A YEAR OF THAT 1,500 AND THEN THE ACTUAL UHU, WHAT DOES IT ACTUALLY WORK OUT TO BE WHENEVER YOU SIT DOWN AND ABLE TO DO THE CALCULATIONS? RIGHT NOW, AGAIN, WE'RE BELOW THAT UHU, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE A YEAR FROM NOW. THEN AVERAGE TRANSPORTS, WE'RE AT THAT 1,293. WE'RE CREEPING UP ON THAT 1,500 NUMBER, THAT BALLPARK NUMBER THAT WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT FOR THE FUTURE. I'VE GOT SOME SLIDES COMING UP HERE IN A MINUTE TO PLAY SOME WHAT-IFS WITH US WITH WHERE WE'LL BE AT CALL VOLUME-WISE. AGAIN, WE'RE WITHIN THAT 30%, MEDIC ONE'S AT 23%. [02:50:04] I PUT YOUR ATTENTION ON CAREFLITE. THEY'RE THE NEXT BUSIEST AT 22% WITH THEIR CALL VOLUME. AGAIN, THEY'RE DOING INNER FACILITIES, SO THEIR TIME ON TASK IS GOING TO BE MUCH LONGER THAN A 911 CALL. THAT'S WHY THAT PUTS THEM THERE EVEN IF IT'S LESS CALL VOLUME. SO IT'S A FLUID NUMBER DEPENDING UPON CALLS VERSUS TIME ON TASK. BUT IF WE DIDN'T HAVE CAREFLITE IN OUR SYSTEM, WE WOULD BE AT AN AVERAGE OF 26% UHU TODAY, WHICH WOULD PUT US IN THAT PLACE WHERE WE WOULD NEED ANOTHER AMBULANCE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. AGAIN, AVERAGE UNIT DISPATCHED IN SERVICE, WE'RE DOING GOOD. WE'RE STAYING LESS THAN AN HOUR. THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO BE, THAT HELPS WITH OUR UHU, SO WE'RE ABLE TO GET TURNED AROUND. THAT'S GOOD PARTNERSHIPS WITH LOCAL HOSPITALS, GETTING US TURNED AROUND. WE'RE NOT EXPERIENCING WALL TIMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT'S BEEN GOOD FOR US. THIS FIRST YEAR, THINK OF THESE AS EACH QUARTER, HOW MANY TRANSPORTS DID WE HAVE? THE FIRST QUARTER, THE SECOND QUARTER, THIRD QUARTER UP TO THE FOURTH QUARTER, THAT'S WHERE WE GET TO THE 1,293 AND THIS IS FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2024. BUT WHERE DOES IT GO FROM HERE? AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE A FULL YEAR TO COMPARE US TO YET, SO I DON'T KNOW IF TRANSPORTS ARE GOING TO BE SIMILAR TO WHAT CALL VOLUME OVERALL HAS BEEN. IF WE HIT THAT 1,500, THAT'S 16% GROWTH IN TRANSPORT IF YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT TRANSPORTS. I'VE TOLD YOU THE SYSTEM OVERALL HAS BEEN AVERAGING 19%. I DON'T KNOW WHERE TRANSPORTS ARE GOING TO GO AS OF YET TILL WE GET ANOTHER YEAR. BUT I THINK WE COULD SAFELY SAY THAT WE NEED TO PLAN FOR THAT SINCE WE'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING CALL VOLUME OF GREATER THAN THAT. WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY BE PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT [NOISE] COME THIS TIME NEXT YEAR. IF WE DID EXPERIENCE 19% GROWTH, THAT WOULD PUT US IN AN AVERAGE OF 1,545, WHICH WOULD BE ABOVE OUR BALLPARK NUMBER. >> JUST A QUICK RECAP ON THE STUFF THAT WE'VE WENT THROUGH REAL QUICK IS, IF WE ORDER THE AMBULANCES IN FEBRUARY NOW, WE SHOULD EXPECT DELIVERY FIRST QUARTER OF 2026. THAT WOULD LINE UP WITH WHERE WE THINK WILL BE CAPACITY-WISE WHEN THAT COMES. IF WE DELAY THAT ORDER OR WE WENT WITH ANOTHER VENDOR, WE COULD EXPECT LEAD TIMES ANYWHERE FROM 24-28 MONTHS IS THE CURRENT LEAD TIMES THAT I'M HEARING. AGAIN, OUR CALL VOLUME HAS INCREASED 22% THIS PAST YEAR. IT'S MORE THAN DOUBLED IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS. DEMANDS OUTPACING POPULATION GROWTH. THE COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO GROW. THAT LEADS US TO BELIEVE THAT THE AMBULANCE SERVICE IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO SEE CALL VOLUME INCREASE. CAPACITY CONCERNS WITH THIS GROWTH WITH THE FOURTH AMBULANCE WILL SOON BE ESSENTIAL TO MEET SERVICE DEMANDS. HAVE AN ADEQUATE FLEET SIZE WILL ALLOW US TO KEEP PACE WITH THE UNPRECEDENTED CALL VOLUME. AGAIN, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE UHU. IF WE DIDN'T HAVE CARE FLIGHT, WE WOULD BE AT THAT 26%, WHICH WOULD BE GETTING US CLOSE TO THAT 30%. INSUFFICIENT RESERVE CAPACITY. CURRENTLY, WE ONLY HAVE THE ONE, AND LIKE A FEW SLIDES PREVIOUSLY SHOWED, WE'RE REALLY OUT OF WHACK COMPARED TO OUR PEER CITIES WHENEVER IT COMES TO RESERVE CAPACITY. FLEXIBLE PAYMENT TIMING. THE NICE THING WITH THIS IS WE CAN COMMIT TO BUYING THESE TODAY, BUT WE WON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THEM UNTIL THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2026 WHEN WE TAKE DELIVERY OF THEM. WE'LL HAVE TIME TO WORK THROUGH ALL OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU ALL NEED TO FOR THE CIP FOR THAT CONSIDERATION. WHAT ARE WE CONSIDERING? THESE ARE THE SAME SLIDES THAT WERE PRESENTED BACK IN NOVEMBER. WE'RE CONSIDERING TWO FORD F550 4X4S. IT WAS A VERY, VERY SMALL INCREASE IN PRICE TO MOVE A 450 TO A 550. WE FIGURED WE CAN GET BETTER USAGE OUT OF THAT. IT'S A HIGHER PAYLOAD FOR THAT CHASSIS, BUT THE COST WAS MINIMAL IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS. SAYING WITH A 4X4 CHASSIS, WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT. THE REASON BEING IS WHEN WE DO EXPERIENCE ICE ON OCCASION, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET UP HILLS TO GET TO PATIENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THIS IS HORTON BRAND, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN THE DEMERS THAT WE'VE HAD, BUT WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS A BETTER BUILT AMBULANCE, AND WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT OPTIONS FOR THE FUTURE ABOUT BEING ABLE TO DO REMOUNTS. WE THINK THAT THIS SIZE AMBULANCE WILL BE BETTER SERVE US FOR A FIRE-BASED DMS AND FUTURE REMOUNTING OPTIONS. SO ONE UNIT, OBVIOUSLY, WOULD BE FOR FRONTLINE UTILIZATION, IF AND WHEN WE'RE HITTING THAT CAPACITY, AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PUT IT IN SERVICE. THE SECOND UNIT WOULD COME IN AND WE WOULD PUT IT IN SERVICE ON FRONTLINE, BUT THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO UTILIZE ONE OF OUR CURRENT ONES IN [02:55:01] A RESERVE CAPACITY SO THAT WOULD GET US TO WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TWO RESERVE UNITS. THE PLAN WOULD BE TO PURCHASE THESE FROM WHAT WE CALL SERVS OR SOUTHERN EMERGENCY & RESCUE VEHICLE SALES IN THE AMOUNT OF $832,660. THEN, OF COURSE, ALL THE EQUIPMENT THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT AND THE INSTALLATION OF THE EQUIPMENT, THAT'S WHERE WE COME TO THE FULLY BUILD OUT OF THE $1.3 MILLION. SOME OF THE KEY FEATURES OF THESE IT'S A BIGGER BOX. WE NEED MORE ROOM TO BE ABLE TO MOVE AROUND WITH THE PATIENT WITH BUNKER GEAR AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF EQUIPMENT. THIS HAS A LIQUID SPRING SUSPENSION, WHICH IS A GOOD RIDE FOR PATIENTS WHENEVER THEY'RE EXPERIENCING TRAUMA AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. HAS AN ANTI-THEFT SYSTEM BUILT INTO IT SO THAT WHEN WE'RE AT THE HOSPITAL OR WE'RE ON SCENE SOMEWHERE, IT'S EASILY LOCKED UP AND EASY TO GET INTO FOR THE CREWS. HAVE A 360 DEGREE CAMERA SYSTEM SO THAT WHEN PROVIDERS ARE HAVING TO BACK IT UP BY THEMSELVES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE CAN DO THAT AS SAFELY AS POSSIBLE. HIGH PERFORMANCE CLIMATE CONTROL SYSTEM. HAS TWO DIFFERENT SYSTEMS ON IT. ONE FOR DESIGN WHENEVER IT'S IN THE BAY. IT CAN BE PLUGGED IN. ALL OF THAT STUFF HAS TO BE CLIMATE CONTROLLED 24/7. THEN ANOTHER SYSTEM FOR WHENEVER IT'S DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD IS THE DANHARD SYSTEM. THAT'S A SYSTEM THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON OTHER FIRE TRUCKS. THAT'S BEEN A GOOD SYSTEM FOR US, AND IT'S TRIED AND TRUE. OXYGEN BOTTLE LIFT SYSTEM, WE PROPOSE TO BE ADDED TO THIS. THIS AMBULANCE CARRIES A BIGGER OXYGEN CYLINDER THAN WHAT OUR CURRENT ONES DO, AND THAT WOULD PUT OUR FOLKS AT RISK OF LIFTING THESE IN AWKWARD POSITIONS TO PUT THEM IN, SO THEY OFFER AN OXYGEN LIFT SYSTEM FOR THAT. DEDICATED STORAGE SOLUTION FOR PPE, FOR BUNKER GEAR, FOR AIR PACKS, FOR HAND TOOLS, THOSE THINGS FOR THE FIREFIGHTING SIDE OF THINGS. THEN LIKE I WAS SAYING BEFORE, THESE ARE MUCH MORE DURABLE BUILT AMBULANCES WITH THEIR STAINLESS STEEL, BODIES AND FRAMES, AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO REMOUNT THESE MULTIPLE TIMES. WHENEVER I WAS TALKING TO HORTON, THEY SAID THEY DON'T RECOMMEND REMOUNTING MORE THAN FOUR TIMES BUT THEY HAVE SEVERAL CLIENTS THAT WILL REMOUNT THE SAME BOX UP TO FOUR TIMES ON DIFFERENT CHASSIS. IT'S NOT JUST THE COST OF THE CHASSIS, OBVIOUSLY, IT'S THE COST OF THE LABOR TO LIFT IT UP AND THEN WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE FIXED ON THE BOX AT THAT TIME AND THEN REMOUNTED. BUT IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY CHEAPER THAN BUYING BRAND NEW AMBULANCES. WE THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD WANT TO BUILD INTO AND WORK INTO AS WE BRING NEW AMBULANCES INTO THE SYSTEM. AGAIN, THESE ARE THE SAME PICTURES THAT WERE PRESENTED BACK IN NOVEMBER. THESE ARE JUST THE SPECIFICATION DRAWINGS. I THINK IF WHEN WE GET THESE WHEN YOU SEE THESE, THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK VERY SIMILAR TO THE CURRENT AMBULANCES WE HAVE, BUT JUST WITH THESE INCREASED FEATURES THEY'LL STILL BE THE SAME COLOR SCHEME AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS, BUT IT'LL BE A BIGGER BOX. THIS IS THE SAME BUDGET THAT WAS PRESENTED BACK IN NOVEMBER AS WELL. THIS IS JUST SHOWING YOU THE CHASSIS WITH THE CAB IN THE BOX, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TONIGHT. THE OTHER ITEMS ON HERE, WE WOULD ASK WOULD BE IN THE CIP AND AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE FOR THE EQUIPMENT THAT WOULD GO ALONG WITH THOSE. THAT AGAIN IS HOW YOU GET TO THE $1.3 MILLION WHENEVER YOU FIGURE IN INFLATION COST FOR ALL THE EQUIPMENT. FUTURE STAFFING PLAN. I THINK WE NEED TO TALK THROUGH THAT. IF WE BRING ON ANOTHER AMBULANCE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO STAFF THAT, OF COURSE, AND THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS GOING ON AT ONE TIME WITH THIS. ONE, A FOURTH FRONT LINE UNIT, WE COULD LOOK AT A PEAK UTILIZATION TO BEGIN WITH. NOT ALL OF OUR CALLS COME IN AT THE SAME TIME. WE'RE REALLY BUSY THROUGHOUT THE DAYTIME HOURS, BUT IT SLOWS DOWN OVERNIGHT. WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY SAYING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO JUMP INTO A 24-HOUR TRUCK, BUT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD JUST NEED TO THINK THROUGH AND CONSIDER AND BRING BACK TO COUNCIL WHEN WE GET CLOSER TO THAT. WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THAT WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS THIS COMING YEAR. ALSO WITH STATION 4 ON THE HORIZON, HOW DO WE BUILD INTO STAFFING FOR THAT? WE CAN'T HIRE ALL OF THAT STAFF AT ONCE, SO WE NEED A STAFFING PLAN FOR THAT TO BRING ON STAFF AS WE GET CLOSER TO THAT. WE THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE TO UTILIZE THAT STAFF. WE COULD IMMEDIATELY BRING ON MORE STAFF, UTILIZE THEM ON THIS AMBULANCE SERVICE, AND WE COULD BUILD INTO THAT STATION 4, AND THE STAFFING WE WOULD NEED ULTIMATELY FOR THAT FOURTH AMBULANCE. AGAIN, ANYTIME WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STAFFING, AS WE'VE GOTTEN BUSIER WE HAVE LESS FOLKS AVAILABLE TO RUN STRUCTURE FIRES AND THOSE HIGH RISK CALLS. JUST LIKE WE WERE SHOWING EARLIER WITH THE HIGH-ANGLE RESCUE. WE HAD ALL OF THOSE OTHER CALLS THAT WERE GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE WERE ON THAT CALL FOR SEVEN HOURS. NONE OF THOSE THINGS STOPPED. SO WE STILL HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TRY TO MEET 1710 COMPLIANCE WITH OUR ASSEMBLY FOR STRUCTURE FIRES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AGAIN, THAT'S ANOTHER BENEFIT WITH HIRING FIREFIGHTERS ON THE AMBULANCE. YOU GET THAT WITH BOTH. WE DID APPLY FOR THE ASSISTANCE TO FIREFIGHTERS GRANT TO TRY TO GET SOME FUNDING TO HELP PAY FOR THE AMBULANCES. I'LL JUST HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THIS HERE. WE SHOWED YOU ALL THIS SLIDE BACK IN NOVEMBER AS WELL. [03:00:01] IT'S A 90/10 SPLIT COST. WE'RE ELIGIBLE UP TO A MILLION DOLLARS. THE CITY WOULD BE ON THE HOOK FOR 10% OF THAT COST, AND THIS WOULD BE JUST FOR THE CHASSIS. THIS IS NOT ALL THE EQUIPMENT IN ADDITION TO, SO WE WOULD STILL NEED TO PAY FOR THAT. WE APPLIED FOR THE GRANT BACK IN DECEMBER. IT'S GOING THROUGH ITS PROCESS NOW. WE WOULD EXPECT TO HEAR SOMETHING BACK SOMETIME IN SEPTEMBER. THE THING THAT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY ABOUT THE ASSISTANCE TO FIREFIGHTERS GRANT IS WHENEVER THEY'RE LOOKING AT VEHICLES, THEY HAVE A CERTAIN ALLOTTED AMOUNT OF MONEY, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND MORE THAN THAT ALLOTTED MONEY, BECAUSE THIS IS FOR EQUIPMENT AND TRAINING AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS. OF THE MONEY THAT THEY HAVE ALLOTTED TO THE ENTIRE GRANT PROGRAM, ONLY 25% OF THAT IS GOING TO BE SPENT ON VEHICLES, AND OF THAT 25% ONLY 10% IS GOING TO BE SPENT ON AMBULANCES, EVEN THOUGH THEY DO SEE AMBULANCES AS AN IMPORTANT PURCHASE. AGAIN, THE OTHER THINGS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT IS, WHAT IS THE AGE AND MILEAGE OF YOUR CURRENT FLEET? DO YOU HAVE ANY VEHICLES THAT ARE WRECKED OR DO YOU HAVE ANY LONER VEHICLES? THEY'RE LOOKING AT ALMOST WHENEVER YOU'RE READING THE VERBIAGE MORE ABOUT A REPLACEMENT INSTEAD OF NEW. NOW, YOU CAN UTILIZE IT FOR NEW, AND WE UTILIZE THE JUSTIFICATION OF OUR CALL VOLUME IN OUR 1710 COMPLIANT. THAT'S WHAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO UTILIZE FOR THAT. NOW, BACK IN NOVEMBER, IT WAS ASKED THAT WE BRING THE MEDICAL TRANSPORT FORECAST FINANCIALS BACK TO THIS CONVERSATION WHERE WE TALKED THROUGH THIS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE FOURTH COLUMN OVER THE 2023 YEAR END, YOU'LL SEE THAT FOR THE FISCAL YEAR, WE BROUGHT IN $1.3 MILLION IN REVENUE FOR THE AMBULANCE SERVICE. NOW, I WOULD REMIND EVERYBODY THAT FIRST YEAR IT WAS SLOW GETTING STARTED, BASICALLY DIDN'T MAKE ANY COLLECTIONS THAT FIRST QUARTER. I THINK THAT'S REFLECTIVE OF THAT NOW. WHENEVER I GET TO THE OTHER SLIDES HERE SHORTLY, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT IT SEEMS TO BE VERY HEALTHY ON THE COLLECTIONS NOW, AND WE'RE PROJECTING SOME MUCH HIGHER NUMBERS MOVING FORWARD. THIS WAS JUST THAT FIRST YEAR. BUT OUR CASH PER TRANSPORT, HOW MANY PATIENTS DID WE TRANSPORT AND ON AVERAGE HOW MUCH CASH PER TRANSPORT ARE WE RECEIVING? EMERGICON PUT THE PRO FORMA AT $439. WE'VE BEEN AVERAGING $550 COLLECTION, SO WE'RE ABOVE THAT. I THINK THAT THAT IS A POSITIVE, AND THIS IS LOOKING AT 2024 ITSELF BECAUSE THAT WAS OUR FIRST REAL FULL YEAR. EVEN IF YOU LOOK AT JANUARY, JANUARY REALLY HADN'T GOTTEN OFF AND GOING YET, REALLY DIDN'T HIT THE GROUND RUNNING TILL ABOUT MARCH, THOSE FIRST SEVERAL MONTHS OF THAT. THEN COLLECTIONS. ACTUAL CASH COLLECTIONS, EMERGICON PUT OUR PRO FORMA AT $130,000, WE'VE BEEN AVERAGING $175,000. I THINK THE FUND IS DOING REALLY WELL IN THAT ASPECT FOR COST RECOVERY. I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS WILL EVER COMPLETELY PAY FOR ITSELF. BUT AT LEAST WE'RE RECOUPING THOSE DOLLARS NOW WHEN BEFORE, WHENEVER WE HAD THE SQUADS, AND WE WERE PAYING FOR THAT STAFF TO GO OUT THERE AND DO THE SAME WORK, WE WEREN'T RECOUPING ANY OF THOSE COSTS. COLLECTION WISE FOR 2024, IT WAS $2.1 MILLION. NOW, IF YOU GO BACK AND YOU LOOK AT PROJECTIONS FOR '28-29, WE HAVE IT AT $2.1 MILLION. LIKE I SAID, I THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A VERY POSITIVE TREND OVER THIS NEXT YEAR AS WE CONTINUE TO SEE THAT. I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT'S LOOMING OUT THERE THAT WE'RE WATCHING CLOSELY WITH THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION IS IF THEY CONTINUE THE SENATE BILL THAT REQUIRES THE INSURANCE COMPANIES TO PAY THE FAIR EQUITABLE RATE, BUT THAT IS SET TO EXPIRE IN SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR. WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT LEGISLATION WILL CONTINUE THAT ON HERE IN TEXAS. THAT SEEMS TO HAVE HELPED WHERE WE'RE AT CURRENTLY WITH COLLECTION. >> DO YOU MIND GOING BACK TO YOUR MEDICAL TRANSPORT FORECAST? >> YES. >> THE FEW THINGS I WANT TO POINT OUT FOR THE COUNCIL. ONE, ON THE AMBULANCE TRANSPORT REVENUE, EMERGICON DOES RECEIVE A PORTION OF OUR PROCEEDS, I BELIEVE IT'S 6%. >> 6.5% OF THE [INAUDIBLE]. >> WHEN CHIEF DAVIS TALKS ABOUT ESTIMATED REVENUE, I WANT YOU TO KEEP INTO ACCOUNT THAT THAT'S A PORTION THAT WE DO OWE THEM. THE OTHER THING TOO IS THAT I WANT YOU TO LOOK IN '26-27, YOU'LL SEE A TRANSFER-IN BEING FORECASTED IN THE MEDICAL TRANSPORT FUND, AND THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE REQUIRED AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT HAS TO COME IN FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO ESSENTIALLY PAY FOR ALL THE OPERATIONS IN THE MEDICAL TRANSPORT FUND. AS A REMINDER, WHAT CHIEF DAVIS HAD TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF BEFORE WHEN WE WERE COMPARING THE COST OF TRANSITIONING FROM OUR OLD SERVICE MODEL TO THE NEW AND THE DIFFERENCE IN THE STAFFING THAT WE'D HAVE TO BRING ON, THAT'S NOT REFLECTIVE OF THIS. [03:05:01] THIS IS A REFLECTIVE OF THE TRUE TOTAL COST TO PROVIDE MEDICAL TRANSPORT SERVICE. I'M GOING TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT IS BEFORE WHEN WE HAD THE EXISTING STAFF TO RUN THE SQUAD IS EMBEDDED COST ALREADY AND NEVER LOOKED AT IN TERMS OF COMPARING AGAINST OLD SERVICE DELIVERY MODEL TO NEW. THIS IS REFLECTIVE OF THAT STAFF BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING USED FOR MEDICAL TRANSPORT. I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT AND THERE'S SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TRANSFER-IN OR REVENUE. I KNOW THAT WAS A DISCUSSION POINT IN NOVEMBER, AND I WANT TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THAT. >> AS IN TIMELINE, BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS ASKING FOR APPROVAL TO COMMIT TO BUYING THE AMBULANCES WITH SERVS. IF COUNCIL SEEKS TO DO THAT, THEN WE'LL WORK ON STARTING TO GET BIDS FOR THE EQUIPMENT IN QUARTER 2. START BRINGING THOSE BEFORE YOU BECAUSE THERE'S A LEAD TIME ON ALL OF THAT DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT. WE'LL START BRINGING THAT IN QUARTER 2, QUARTER 3 OF 2025. IT WILL HAVE TO ORDER CRADLE POINTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT, IPADS FOR IT. QUARTER 4 OF 2025, WE WOULD HOPE TO HAVE ALL OF THAT EQUIPMENT DELIVERED. GOING INTO QUARTER 1 OF 2026, WHEN THE AMBULANCES GET HERE, HAVE ALL OF THAT STUFF INSTALLED, AND WE COULD GO LIVE WITH THOSE AMBULANCES RIGHT AROUND THE TIME THAT WE THINK THAT CALL VOLUME IS GOING TO HIT TO WHERE WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE CAPACITY INTO THE SYSTEM. SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FUNDING AMBULANCE PURCHASES. I THINK THAT WE'VE SPOKEN THROUGH THIS IN THE ERF DISCUSSION JUST A MOMENT AGO. BUT AGAIN, ANYTHING OVER $300,000 INCLUDING THESE AMBULANCES IS PROPOSED TO COME OUT OF THE ERF AND GO INTO THE CAPITAL SIDE. THIS STRATEGY IS TO PRESERVE THE RESERVES FOR THE ERF AND CAPITALIZE THESE IN THE CIP. ISSUING DEBT FOR THE PROPOSED AMBULANCES WILL REQUIRE EITHER A REVISION IN THE FIVE-YEAR GENERAL GOVERNMENT CIP OR AN INCREASE IN THE I&S TAX RATE, WHICH WE RECENTLY JUST TALKED ABOUT. DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS WILL ALIGN WITH THE LIFE CYCLE OF THE EQUIPMENT AGAIN. OBVIOUSLY, THESE ARE NOT FOR 20 YEARS WITH A 20-YEAR BOND. THE AMBULANCE LIFE CYCLE IS MUCH QUICKER THAN THAT. WE HOPE TO REDUCE COSTS OF THOSE BY TAKING ON THE REMOUNT SITUATION. ALSO WE'RE COMMITTED TO LOOKING, HOW CAN WE EXTEND THE LIFE OF THESE AS MUCH AS WE CAN, AND TRY TO BRING A PLAN BACK TO WHERE MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE TO REPLACE ALL FOUR OF THESE FIRST ONES THAT WE BOUGHT AT ONE TIME. I KNOW I'VE GOT JOHN WORKING ON THAT NOW AS WE GO TO LOOK INTO THIS. I KNOW THE QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF MILES GETTING PUT ON THESE, ALREADY HAVE OVER 30,000 MILES ON THE FOUR THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. SO IN FIVE YEARS, THEY'LL HAVE 150,000 MILES ON THEM. IF WE ADD TWO MORE INTO THE SYSTEM AND WE ROTATE AROUND, MAYBE WE CAN EXTEND SOME MORE OF THAT OUT FOR OUR RESERVE CAPACITY, AND THAT'LL HELP US OUT WITH THAT. WE'RE COMMITTED TO LOOKING AT ALL OF THOSE OPTIONS AND TRYING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO BE CREATIVE WITH THAT. OFFSETTING THE COSTS WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT RATHER THAN THE TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT OF ITEMS WITHIN THE CIP. FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE EXISTING CIP IS REDUCED TO INCLUDE THE $1.3 MILLION AMBULANCE PURCHASE, AN ADJUSTMENT GREATER THAN THE $1.3 MILLION WOULD BE MADE TO AVOID A TAX RATE INCREASE. AGAIN, I THINK, AS TOMMY HAS POINTED OUT, THAT CONVERSATION WILL CONTINUE AS YOU GUYS LOOK INTO THE CIP. PAYMENTS FOR THE AMBULANCES NEED TO BE MADE UNTIL THAT FIRST QUARTER OF 2026. TO FACILITATE THIS PROCESS, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPROVAL OF A REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION. THIS WILL ENABLE THE CITY TO REIMBURSE ITSELF FOR THE AMBULANCE PURCHASES FROM THE PROCEEDS OF FUTURE DEBT ISSUANCES. >> CHIEF DAVIS, JUST FOR CLARITY ON THAT, WE HAVE AN EXISTING REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION THAT HAS SUFFICIENT CAPACITY TO COVER THIS PURCHASE, SO THERE WON'T BE A NEED TO COME BACK AT A LATER DATE FOR THAT. >> THE ACTION ITEM BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS TO REQUEST APPROVAL OF A CONTRACT WITH SOUTHERN EMERGENCY & RESCUE VEHICLE SALES FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE TWO HORTON 603 TYPE I AMBULANCES THROUGH A COOPERATIVE PURCHASE AGREEMENT WITH BUYBOARD IN A TOTAL COST OF $832,659.93. >> ANY QUESTIONS? >> CHIEF, WE TALKED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY [03:10:01] ABOUT ROLLING THESE IN OR WE HAVE SIX ROTATING. DO YOU MIND JUST SHARING THE THOUGHTS ON EXTENDING THE SERVICE LIFE? >> YES, WE WANT TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO EXTEND THE SERVICE LIFE OF THE. JOHN BUCKS IS LOOKING AT HOW CAN WE LOOK AT WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE BECAUSE THAT 28 TIMELINE IN THE CIP WHERE HARLAN HAD THOSE FOUR BEING REPLACED AS THE CURRENT PLAN. WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING BACK SOME PLAN TO LOOK AT HOW WE COULD MAYBE REPLACE TWO AND THEN TWO ANOTHER YEAR AND TRY TO EXTEND THAT TIMELINE OUT A LITTLE BIT. I THINK IF I CAN GET TWO INTO RESERVE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THOSE OUT A LITTLE BIT LONGER. THAT'LL ADD THAT RESERVE CAPACITY FOR US, AND WE CAN BUILD INTO THIS FOURTH AMBULANCE AS WE COME AROUND INTO 2026. I THINK I DON'T HAVE ALL THE DETAILS WORKED OUT OF THAT YET, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT THESE ARE GOING TO BE SOME DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS. IT'S GOING TO REALLY CONVOLUTE THINGS WITH THE CIP, AND WE WANT TO BE AS FLEXIBLE AS WE CAN AND TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THAT. >> THEN ON THE UHU FOR CARE FLIGHT, THEY WERE AT 22%. DO THEY HAVE A GOAL OF 25-30% AS WELL? I MEAN, I KNOW YOU CAN'T REALLY SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT IS THERE A POINT WHERE THEY WOULD PUT A SECOND BOX IN BURLESON BECAUSE THEIR CALLS VOLUME FOR TRANSPORTS IS SIGNIFICANT? >> YES. OF COURSE, OBVIOUSLY, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM AND I WOULD LET THEM SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES ON THAT. THEIR MODEL IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN OUR MODEL. THEY'RE NOT GEOGRAPHICALLY JUST TO BURLESON. THEY'RE LOOKING AT THEIR SYSTEM AS A WHOLE FOR JOHNSON COUNTY. THEIR UHU SPECIFICALLY IN BURLESON ISN'T GOING TO BE DEDICATED TO ONE UNIT. IT'S GOING TO BE AMONGST THE SEVEN UNITS THAT THEY HAVE SPREAD OUT RIGHT NOW. OBVIOUSLY, WILL BE AN IMPACT TO THEM. BUT THE THR TRANSPORTS AT THIS POINT SEEM PRETTY STABLE, AND THAT'S THE VAST MAJORITY OF IT. I THINK IT'LL BE WHAT IS THE OTHER WORK THAT COMES ONLINE AS THE YEARS TO COME WITH OTHER NURSING HOMES OR SKILLED NURSING FACILITIES. >> THANKS TO YOU. >> YES, SIR. >> WE HAD A PRESENTATION TONIGHT TALKING ABOUT SELLING OUR VEHICLES BEFORE THEY WERE TOTALLY USED UP. ARE WE GOING TO IMPLEMENT THAT ON THESE AMBULANCES OR THERE NOT A MARKET FOR THOSE? >> I THINK THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER SERVED TO LOOK AT THE REMOUNT OPTION FOR THESE. HOW DO WE TAKE THAT BOX, PICK IT UP AND PUT IT ON ANOTHER ONE? I THINK THAT WE WOULD WANT TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF OUR RESERVE CAPACITY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. IT'S JUST SUCH A LONG LEAD TIME FOR THESE. I THINK IT WOULD BE HARD TO PLAN OUT 28 MONTHS FROM NOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE AT WITH THE MILEAGE AND THOSE THINGS. I'M NOT SAYING WE COULDN'T DO THAT, BUT I THINK THAT OUR ENERGY WOULD BE BETTER FOCUSED ON A REMOUNT PLAN, AND HOW DO WE PHASE THOSE IN WHERE WE CAN STAGGER THE PURCHASE OF THESE MOVING FORWARD? I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE COULD PROBABLY GET OUR BEST SAVINGS. >> GOOD ANSWER. ANYBODY ELSE? >> THE CURRENT FOUR THAT WE HAVE, THOUGH, HOW WOULD THAT WORK WE WOULD WANT TO, LIKE, WITH THE REMOUNT CONSIDERATION, THEY'RE DIFFERENT SIZE. THEY DON'T HAVE ALL THE SAME ABILITIES, AND THINGS THAT THE NEW BOXES WILL HAVE ON THEM. HOW WILL THAT WORK? >> I THINK THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. OUR FOCUS WOULD BE ON BUYING HORTONS FOR NEW. WHENEVER WE HAVE THE USEFUL LIFE OF THESE, REPLACING THEM WITH THE HORTON, AND THEN THE PLAN WOULD BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE HORTONS TO DO THE REMOUNTS. THESE ARE NOT REALLY SET UP. I MEAN, YOU CAN TECHNICALLY REMOUNT THESE, BUT IT'S NOT AS HIGHLY RECOMMENDED AS WHAT THE HORTONS ARE. I THINK WE BUILD INTO THE HORTONS AS A REMOUNTABLE AMBULANCE, AND WE TRY TO GET THE LONGEST LIFE THAT WE CAN OUT OF THESE IN RESERVE CAPACITY, BUILDING INTO THOSE. >> LEAVES ME IT MIGHT BE CANDIDATE FOR AN EARLY SEE OFF. >> I MEAN, WE COULD ALWAYS CONSIDER THAT THAT. YES, SIR. >> NO. I'M NOT PUSHING THE ISSUE. I'M JUST WONDERING. ANYBODY ELSE? WE GOOD. IS THERE A MOTION ON THIS? I THINK THERE'S TWO POSSIBILITIES, ISN'T THERE? >> NO, SIR. THERE'S JUST ONE MOTION FOR THE CONTRACT WITH SOUTHERN EMERGENCY AND RESCUE VEHICLE SALES. >> A MOTION. I HAVE A MOTION FOR VICTORIA A SECOND BY PHIL. PLEASE VOTE. PASS IS UNANIMOUS? >> I DID. THAT WAS A MISTAKE. I'M SORRY. I HIT THE WRONG BUTTON. I INTENDED TO VOTE, YES ON THAT. I'M NOT AGAINST THAT. >> I WENT INTO AUTOMATIC, TOO, THOUGH. >> I MISSED. >>DO I NEED TO ANNOUNCE THE VOTE? >> YES. DID YOU WANT TO DO THE VOTE AGAIN? I I'D LIKE FOR THE RECORD TO VOTE AGAIN IF YOU CAN. >> I'M SORRY. I'LL AIM BETTER NEXT TIME. >> IT IS GETTING LATE. ONE MORE TIME. I HAVE A MOTION BY VICTORIA SECOND BY PHIL. [03:15:05] VOTE AGAIN. PASSAGE UNANIMOUS. >> THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT. WE APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THAT BRINGS US TO 9B. [9.B.Consider and take possible action on a Cooperative Purchasing Agreement with Performance Truck, Inc., for the purchase of a combination vacuum truck through BuyBoard Cooperative in the amount of $517,845.57. (Staff Contact: Errick Thompson, Director of Public Works)] CONSIDER AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION ON A COOPERATIVE PURCHASING AGREEMENT WITH PERFORMANCE TRUCK INCORPORATED FOR THE PURCHASE OF A COMBINATION VACUUM TRUCK THROUGH V BOARD COOPERATIVE IN THE AMOUNT OF 517,845.57. THE STAFF PRESENTER IS ERIC THOMPSON, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS. MR. THOMPSON, YOU'RE AT? >> GOOD EVENING AGAIN. I'M ONLY SEEKING AUTHORIZATION TO PURCHASE ONE VEHICLE, SO I THINK I CAN DO IT IN ABOUT THREE SLIDES IF I CAN FIND ON THE RIGHT BUTTON. THE WATER UTILITY HAS ONE COMBINATION VACUUM TRUCK. IT'S ONE OF THE BACKBONES OF THE ENTIRE OPERATION. THE CURRENT TRUCK IS ABOUT 14-YEARS-OLD. IT'S HAVING A TON OF RELIABILITY ISSUES. IT'S REALLY JUST IT'S TIRED. IN THE LAST 40 MONTHS, IT'S BEEN ACTUALLY DOWN, NOT OPERABLE FOR JUST ABOUT 12 MONTHS OUT OF THAT PERIOD, AND WE SPENT A LITTLE OVER 50,000 EXCLUDING STAFF LABOR ON VARIOUS REPAIRS. AGAIN, IT'S VERY CRITICAL. EARLIER TONIGHT, I TALKED ABOUT THE BIG WATER MAIN BREAK WE HAD. IF YOU WOULD IMAGINE AN EIGHT FOOT WIDE BY 15 FOOT LONG OR A 10 FOOT LONG AND 15 FOOT DEEP HOLE THAT'S GOT A 12 INCH WATER LINE JUST POURING WATER OUT OF IT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SHATTERED. THIS IS ONE OF THE USES THAT WE WOULD USE THIS TRUCK FOR IT TO ACTUALLY HELP PUMP THAT PIT OUT SO THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY GET IN AND GET THE WORK DONE. BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE TRUCK AVAILABLE ON THAT INSTANCE, WE HAD TO USE SOME SMALLER EQUIPMENT THAT WASN'T NEARLY AS EFFECTIVE, BUT IT WAS WHAT WE HAD AVAILABLE. A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THE TRUCK ITSELF. THE REPLACEMENT UNIT, WE BASICALLY FIGURED OUT WHAT WE NEEDED BASED ON THE TRUCK THAT WE HAVE AND THEN WHAT WAS AVAILABLE ON THE MARKET. WE HAD A TON OF DEMONSTRATIONS BROUGHT IN BY VARIOUS VENDORS TO REFINE AND CONFIRM SOME OF THOSE SPECIFICATIONS, BASICALLY. THEN WE WENT THROUGH COOPERATIVE PRICING WITH THOSE DIFFERENT VENDORS TO ZERO IN ON WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND AS FAR AS A PURCHASE. THOSE PRICES RANGED FROM A LITTLE OVER 500,000 TO OVER 600,000. WE ALSO ANTICIPATE THAT ONCE WE GET THE NEW TRUCK, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO AUCTION OR DISPOSE OF THE CURRENT TRUCK, AND EVEN WITH ALL OF ITS MECHANICAL ISSUES, WE STILL ANTICIPATE IT WOULD HAVE A MARKET VALUE OF SOMEWHERE IN THE 60 TO $80,000 RANGE, SO THAT WOULD JUST GO RIGHT BACK INTO THE, PROPRIETARY ERF FUND. THE TRUCK THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW. THIS IS A PICTURE OF IT. WELL, IT'S THE DEMO MODEL, BUT VERY SIMILAR. WE COULD GET FROM THE DEALER IN APPROXIMATELY FOUR MONTHS. THE ACTION RECOMMENDED AND THE RECOMMENDATION TODAY IS THAT YOU WOULD APPROVE THE COOPERATIVE PURCHASING AGREEMENT WITH PERFORMANCE TRUCK TO PURCHASE THIS VACUUM TRUCK AT $517,845.57. >> ANY COMMENTS? IS THERE A MOTION? HAVE A MOTION BY PHIL ON A SECOND BY MCCLENDON. I'M SORT, DAN. PLEASE. PASS IS UNANIMOUS. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 9C. [9.C.Consider and take possible action on a minute order to appoint various members to the City of Burleson Boards/Commissions/Committees to fill vacancies. (Staff Contact: Lisandra Leal, Assistant City Secretary)] THIS IS TO CONSIDER AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION ON A MINUTE ORDER TO APPOINT VARIOUS MEMBERS TO THE CITY OF BURLESON BOARDS COMMISSIONS COMMITTEES TO FILL VACANCIES. THE STAFF PRESENTED THIS EVENING IS LISANDRA LEAL, ASSISTANT CITY SECRETARY. MS. LEAL, YOU ARE UP. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL. ONE MOMENT AS I PULL THIS PRESENTATION UP. TODAY, WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS THE MID YEAR VACANCIES FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. [03:20:03] ON JANUARY 1ST, 2025, WE FOUND THAT THERE ARE SEVEN VACANCIES ACROSS VARIOUS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT DID POST A POSTING ON FACEBOOK, LETTING THE CITIZENS KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE VACANCIES AND THAT WE WERE ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS. AS OF JANUARY 13, THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES DID NOT RECEIVE A YOUTH APPLICANT APPLICATION, AND THAT PARTICULAR VACANCY DOES HAVE A YOUTH VACANCY. HOWEVER, WE DID RECEIVE SOME ADULT MEMBER APPLICATIONS, AND I DID GET IN CONTACT WITH THEM AND THEY WERE BOTH IN AGREEMENT IF THEY WERE APPOINTED THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO SERVE AS A NON STUDENT VOTING POSITION. ON JANUARY 22, THE COMMUNITY AND INTERGOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS COMMITTEE MET TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS ALL THE APPLICATIONS. THESE ARE THE VACANCIES THAT WE DO HAVE. LIKE I SAID, ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS A YOUTH POSITION, CEMETERY BOARD, CITIZENS PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE, OLD TOWN DESIGN STANDARDS REVIEW COMMITTEE, PARK BOARD, AND THERE'S TWO POSITIONS ON THE PARK BOARD. I WILL STATE THAT THE OLD TOWN IS ALSO A YOUTH POSITION. I'M SORRY, I DID NOT HIGHLIGHT THAT THERE. THESE ARE THE APPLICATIONS THAT WE DID RECEIVE. IT'S HARD TO TELL, BUT WE DO HAVE HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE, ARE THE ADULT APPLICATIONS THAT WERE APPOINTED TO THE VARIOUS BOARDS. THEN THE ORANGE ARE THE YOUTH POSITIONS, AND THE TWO IN BLACK DID NOT MEET APPOINTMENTS THIS TIME AROUND. THIS IS WHAT THE COMMITTEE DID ADVISE OR RECOMMEND THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, CEMETERY, CITIZEN PUBLICS, OLD TOWN, AND THE PARK BOARD. I BELIEVE I DID E MAIL APPLICATIONS TO EVERYBODY TODAY IF YOU RECEIVED THEM. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? IT IS TO APPROVE A MINUTE ORDER APPROVING THE VACANCIES FOR THE BOARD. >> ANY QUESTIONS? >> MOTION. >> SECOND. >> I GOT A MOTION BY VICTORIA IN A SECOND BY ADAM. PLEASE VOTE. PASS IS UNANIMOUS. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 10 LEGISLATIVE REPORTS AND RELATED ITEMS. THIS IS A STANDING ITEM ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA. THERE'S NOTHING UNDER THIS ITEM THIS EVENING. THAT MOVES US ON TO SECTION 11, [11.CITY COUNCIL REQUESTS FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS AND REPORTS] COUNCIL REQUESTS FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS AND REPORTS. I WANT TO GO BACK TO OUR NOISE ORDINANCE, EXCEPT MAYBE MORE SPECIFIC TO RESIDENTIAL. I THINK EVERYBODY SAW AN EMAIL FROM SOMEONE THAT WAS HAVING A PROBLEM. WE ALSO KNOW THE SHORT TERM RENTALS TYPICALLY HAVE A PROBLEM. I'D LIKE TO SHOW SOMETHING WITH TEETH THAT SENDS THE PROPERTY OWNER THE CITATION. SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, BUT WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO AND THAT EMAIL WAS AWFUL. COULD WE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, PLEASE? >> YES, SIR. WE CAN. >> ANYBODY ELSE? THAT'S IT. >> THAT MOVES US ON TO SECTION 12 EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE DO HAVE A NEED FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 551 OF THE TEXAS CODE, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION IN THE CITY COUNCIL WORK ROOM AND CITY HALL TO CONDUCT A CLOSED MEETING, PURSUANT TO SECTION 551.071,551.072 AND 551.087. >> ZERO MOTION TO CONVENE. I GOT A MOTION BY ADAM AND SECOND BY VICTORIA, PLEASE VOTE. PASSES UNANIMOUS. WE'RE GOING TO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 9:9. [12.RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION] IS THERE A MOTION TO RECONVENE? PLEASE VOTE. PASS IS UNANIMOUS. WE'RE BACK IN SESSION AT 10:34. >> MAYOR AND COUNSEL, WE HAVE NO OTHER ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING. >> IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? WE GOT IT. WE'RE OUT OF HERE AT 10:34. [03:25:03] >> THANK YOU. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.