5.F. Consider and take possible action of an interlocal agreement for the operation of the Stop the Offender Program (S.T.O.P.) Special Crimes Unit (SCU) with the County of Johnson and the participating cities of Alvarado, Burleson, Cleburne, and Joshua. (Staff Contact: Billy Cordell, Chief of Police)

[5.F. Consider and take possible action of an interlocal agreement for the operation of the Stop the Offender Program (S.T.O.P.) Special Crimes Unit (SCU) with the County of Johnson and the participating cities of Alvarado, Burleson, Cleburne, and Joshua. (Staff Contact: Billy Cordell, Chief of Police)]

AT THIS TIME, WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER CARD FOR THE ITEM THAT WAS REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.

THAT ITEM WAS FIVE F.

CONSIDER AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION ON AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT FOR THE OPERATION OF THE STOP AND THE OFFENDER PROGRAM, SPECIAL CRIMES UNIT AND WITH THE COUNTY OF JOHNSON AND PARTICIPATING CITIES OF ALVARADO, BURLESON, CLEBURNE, AND JOSHUA.

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TONIGHT WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER ON THIS DISTRICT ATTORNEY GOOD.

MR. GOOD, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL.

MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL, IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE TONIGHT.

I DIDN'T ACTUALLY THINK I'D BE HERE THIS SOON.

TALKING TO YOU ALL SIX DAYS INTO MY TENURE, BUT BEFORE I GET TO THAT, I WANT TO SAY I'VE ALWAYS ENJOYED COMING HERE AND WATCHING YOU ALL DELIBERATE.

YOU ALL ARE TREMENDOUSLY TRANSPARENT IN EVERYTHING YOU DO, AND I'VE BEEN TO A LOT OF PLACES WHERE WHEN SOMEBODY GETS UP HERE TO SPEAK, NO ONE LOOKS AT THEM, THEY LOOK AT THEIR PHONE, THEY LOOK AWAY, AND YOU GUYS SHOULD BE COMMENDED FOR ACTUALLY, IN MY OPINION, SERVING THE PEOPLE AND EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY DIFFER WITH THE OUTCOME, YOU AT LEAST HEAR THEM OUT.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THE REASON FOR ME BEING HERE IS CONSENT AGENDA ITEM FIVE F, WHICH WAS JUST MENTIONED BEFORE, IS ROUTINE.

IT WAS GOING TO BE RUBBER STAMPED AND MOVED ON.

I'M NOT BLAMING THE COUNCIL FOR THAT, BUT THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA WAS TO REMOVE THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY FROM THE STOP TASK FORCE AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THAT TASK FORCE.

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE TASK FORCE, THE TASK FORCE HAS BEEN AROUND FOR OVER 20 YEARS.

IT'S ALWAYS BEEN CHAIRED BY THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY.

IT HAS IN HIS BYLAWS ACTUALLY SAID SPECIFICALLY, THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY WILL CHAIR THAT TASK FORCE.

THE TASK FORCE CHANGED THEIR BYLAWS AFTER I WON MY ELECTION, BUT WAS NOT YET IN OFFICE, REMOVING ME FROM THAT POSITION.

I DIDN'T FIND OUT ABOUT THIS UNTIL Y'ALL'S TRANSPARENCY.

BY LOOKING AT YOUR AGENDA ITEM AND REALIZING THAT I WAS BEING REMOVED FROM OFFICE, I HAVE NOT BEEN CONTACTED BY ANYBODY FROM STOP.

I HAVE NOT BEEN TOLD THAT I AM NO LONGER ON THE BOARD OR THAT I HAD A PLACE ON THE BOARD, AND SO BUT FOR ME SEEING THIS TONIGHT, I WOULD NOT HAVE KNOWN THAT BURLESON WAS BEING ASKED TO RUBBER STAMP WITH A TASK FORCE IS TRYING TO DO WHICH IN MY OPINION, RESPOND IN RETALIATORY FASHION.

BECAUSE OF THE THEN CHAIR'S LOSS, MR. HANNA LOST HIS ELECTION AND THEN PROMPTLY MOVED TO MAKE SURE THE NEXT DISTRICT ATTORNEY WOULD NOT CHAIR THAT TASK FORCE.

SO I WANTED TO SPEAK EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN REMOVED.

THANK YOU FOR MOVING IT.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

I DON'T THINK Y'ALL ARE AWARE OF THE NATURE OF WHAT IT IS, BUT I DO HOPE GOING FORWARD THAT WHEN THERE ARE ITEMS FROM THE TASK FORCE UNTIL WE CAN GET THIS WORKED OUT, THAT YOU ALL ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON, BECAUSE UP TO THIS POINT WE HAVE WORKED WELL.

TASK FORCE COUNTY, ALL THE AGENCIES.

THERE'S NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE LIKE THIS THAT I KNOW OF, BUT IF I HADN'T SEEN THIS ON FRIDAY NIGHT, JUST LOOKING AT YOUR AGENDA, I HATE TO THINK WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE YOU WERE NOT INFORMED.

YOU WERE NOT TOLD WHAT'S GOING ON.

SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT TASK FORCE HAS ALREADY CHANGED THEIR BYLAWS AND THAT YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO PARTNER WITH THEM IN THOSE BYLAWS.

SO I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THAT OFF THE AGENDA AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THIS WORKED OUT, BUT ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT, AND I JUST ASK IF YOU DO HAVE ANOTHER ISSUE OR SOMETHING FROM STOP. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE OTHER PEOPLE ARE INFORMED ABOUT IT, AND I KNOW YOU ALL KNOWING THIS NOW WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT IT IN MORE DETAIL, BUT THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? OKAY. WE WILL MOVE ON TO SECTION SIX REPORTS AND PRESENTATIONS.

[6.A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction regarding proposed fees and service changes associated with the solid waste program. (Staff Contact: Richard Abernethy, Administrative Services Director)]

SIX A, I'M ANXIOUSLY AWAITING THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE PROPS ON THIS ONE.

SIX A IS TO RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PROVIDE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING PROPOSED FEES AND SERVICE CHANGES ASSOCIATED WITH THE SOLID WASTE PROGRAM.

THE STAFF PRESENTER IS RICHARD ABERNATHY, ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES DIRECTOR.

MR. ABERNATHY.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I APOLOGIZE FOR THE DELAY AS WE PUT THE PROPS OUT.

SO THE PRESENTATION IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT IS WAIT A SECOND HERE.

OKAY. SORRY, I APOLOGIZE.

YES. THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT IS A PROPOSAL.

OPTIONS FOR SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING CONTRACT PROGRAM, AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO INTRODUCE IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT IS LYNN LANTRIP AND RICHARD ROZIER OF SOLID WASTE SPECIALISTS, AS WELL AS BRAD WAINSCOTT AND ABEL MORENO WITH WASTE CONNECTIONS, WHO ARE OUR CURRENT PROVIDER FOR SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING CONTRACT.

JUST A BACKGROUND ON THIS ITEM.

THE STAFF DID PRESENT OPTIONS TO CITY COUNCIL FOR IMPLEMENTING A STREET MAINTENANCE AND STORMWATER UTILITY FEE IS PART OF THAT CONVERSATION.

STAFF DID ALSO RECOMMEND BUDGETING FOR A CONSULTANT TO EVALUATE THE CITY'S SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING PROGRAM, TO FIND WAYS TO REDUCE THAT COST, TO HELP OFFSET FEES FOR A POTENTIAL STREET AND UTILITY FEE, BUT ALSO MAKING SURE THAT IF WE REDUCE THAT COST, THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN THE SAME SERVICE LEVEL WE PROVIDE TO OUR CITIZENS BY LOOKING AT OPTIONS SUCH AS A ONCE A WEEK POLYCARP COLLECTION, OR EVEN EXPLORING FRANCHISING OUR COMMERCIAL MARKET TO ONE VENDOR AND SO WE DID GET CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD.

IN JULY, WE HIRED SOLID WASTE SPECIALISTS TO HELP US WITH THIS PROCESS.

WE ENGAGE WASTE CONNECTIONS AT SEPTEMBER OF 2024, AND WE PRESENTED AN RFP STYLE CONTRACT NEGOTIATION PROCESS WITH THEM TO GET DIFFERENT PRICING AND OPTIONS IN NOVEMBER

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OF 2024.

THEY DID PRESENT THOSE OPTIONS TO US, AND WE REVIEWED THEM, AND WE'RE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT.

BEFORE WE GET INTO THE DETAILS, I REAL QUICKLY WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOLID WASTE SPECIALISTS.

HAVE THEY BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR SEVEN YEARS? AND THEY ASSIST MUNICIPAL AND COUNTY GOVERNMENTS WITH SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING PROCUREMENT.

THEIR MISSION IS REALLY JUST TO DELIVER COST EFFECTIVE AND FOCUSED SERVICE USING THEIR THEIR EXPERIENCE IN THE INDUSTRY, AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THEIR LEADERSHIP WITH LYNN LANTRIP AND RICHARD ROZIER, THEY HAVE A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE IN THE INDUSTRY, AND THEY'VE SERVED MANY TEXAS CITIES HERE LOCALLY IN THE METROPLEX, NORTH RICHLAND HILLS, HIGHLAND PARK AND WAXAHACHIE OR CITIES.

THEY'VE THEY'VE THEY'VE ASSISTED AND THEY'VE ALSO WORKED WITH CITIES OUTSIDE OF TEXAS, MAINLY IN ARKANSAS AND OKLAHOMA, RESPECTIVELY.

THIS IS A SNAPSHOT OF OUR CURRENT SERVICE RIGHT NOW.

OUR RESIDENTS GET TWO TIMES A WEEK SOLID WASTE PICKUP AND BAGS, AND ONCE A WEEK AND A 64 GALLON CART FOR RECYCLING.

WE DO OFFER ONCE A WEEK SMALL BRUSH PICKUP AND ONCE A MONTH BRUSH AND BULK COLLECTION.

OUR CURRENT CONTRACT WITH WASTE CONNECTIONS DOES EXPIRE IN SEPTEMBER OF 2029, AND THE CURRENT RATE WE'RE BEING CHARGED IS $20.49, AND I'M GOING TO GET A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THE RATES HERE LATER, BUT THAT IS THE RATE THAT THEY CHARGE US.

AGAIN, AS I SAID, THIS WAS A CONTRACT NEGOTIATION, BUT WE DID TREAT IT LIKE AN RFP STYLE FORMAT.

SO WE DID SUBMIT A SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE CONTRACT PROPOSAL, AND THEN WE ASKED WASTE CONNECTIONS TO GIVE US PRICES ON DIFFERENT SERVICE OPTIONS FOR RESIDENTIAL COLLECTION, AS WELL AS PRICES FOR IF WE CLOSE THE COMMERCIAL MARKET OR KEPT IT OPEN LIKE WE HAVE NOW, AND THEN ALSO RATES THAT THEY WOULD CHARGE TO OUR CUSTOMERS OR OUR BUSINESSES IF WE DID CLOSE THE MARKET AND OFFER THEM AS THE ONE ONE SINGLE PROVIDER.

IN ADDITION, WE KNOW THERE'S SOME CAPITAL COSTS THAT GO INTO GOING TO A POLYCARP SYSTEM, AND SO RECOGNIZING THAT WE DID OFFER TO, YOU KNOW, EXTEND THE CONTRACT BY TWO YEARS, BUT IN TURN, THAT WE WOULD ASK THEM TO OFFER CERTAIN PROVISIONS INTO THE CONTRACT, FOR EXAMPLE, FUTURE RATE INCREASES, ADDING A 5% CAP ON ANNUAL INCREASES GOING FORWARD.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T EXIST IN OUR CONTRACT TODAY, AND THEN ALSO PUTTING PENALTIES IN FOR NONPERFORMANCE FOR FAILURE TO MEET CONTRACT TERMS. LET ME BE CLEAR WASTE CONNECTIONS DOES A REALLY GREAT JOB, BUT IN OUR CURRENT CONTRACT, THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY KIND OF MECHANISM.

IF THEY WEREN'T MEETING TO THE CONTRACT TERMS FOR US TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

ALSO UNUSUAL ACCUMULATION.

IF SOMEBODY NEEDS A BRUSH AND BULK PICKUP OUTSIDE OF THE TYPICAL SCHEDULED SERVICE, THAT SERVICE COULD BE OFFERED AT A SEPARATE PRICE, AND THEN WE ALSO ASKED THEM TO LOOK AT DOING A HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE COLLECTION AT THE CURB AND WHAT THAT OPTION WOULD LOOK LIKE, AND THEY DID PRESENT AN OPTION AT A DOLLAR PER HOME PER MONTH THAT ALL, ALL RESIDENTS WOULD BE BILLED FOR, AND WE'LL GET INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THAT A LITTLE BIT IN THE PRESENTATION, AND AGAIN, LOOKING AT HOW WE DID THE NEGOTIATION, WE REALLY HONED IN ON THREE OPTIONS FOR HOME COLLECTION, AND THEN AGAIN, WE LOOKED AT RATES WITH AND WITHOUT THE COMMERCIAL FOR A CLOSED OR OPEN AND THEN AGAIN WITH THOSE RATES WOULD LOOK LIKE, AND BEFORE WE GET INTO THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE LOOKED AT AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A REAL QUICK SNAPSHOT OF WHAT OUR RESIDENTS DO PAY FOR SOLID WASTE.

AGAIN, WE HAVE THE $20.49 THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER.

WE HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE OVERHEAD FEE, AS WELL AS THE LITTER ABATEMENT FEE THAT WE RECENTLY ADOPTED IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, AND THEN THE FRANCHISE FEE THAT'S CHARGED.

SO IT IS $24.23 TO THE RESIDENT, BUT BEFORE YOUR YOUR SALES TAX BUT AND YOU'LL SEE THAT REFLECTED AS WE GO THROUGH THESE OPTIONS.

SO WE'RE GOING TO SHOW OPTIONS FOR OPEN MARKET AND THEN OPTIONS FOR A CLOSED MARKET, AND SO IN THE OPEN MARKET OPTIONS OPTION ONE WOULD JUST BASICALLY KEEP THE SERVICE AS IT IS TODAY, AND AS YOU CAN SEE THE RATES BASICALLY STAY THE SAME.

THEN OPTION TWO WOULD BE TWO TIMES PER WEEK AND A 95 GALLON CART AND CONTINUE THE SAME SERVICES THE REST OF THE WAY.

WITH THE ONCE A WEEK 64 GALLON RECYCLING, THE ONCE A WEEK BRUSH, AS WELL AS THE ONCE A MONTH BRUSH AND BULK, AND THEN OPTION THREE WOULD GO TO THE ONCE A WEEK 95 GALLON IN RESIDENTIAL, AS WELL AS A ONCE A WEEK 95 GALLON FOR RECYCLING WITH THE SAME SERVICE AS WELL, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE RATE GOES TO ABOUT $22.24.

NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE IN WHAT WE PAY NOW IN THE OPEN MARKET FORMAT, AND KEEP IN MIND YOU DO SEE AT THE BOTTOM THE HOUSEHOLD WASTE COLLECTION AT A DOLLAR PER MONTH.

WE HAVE NOT ADDED THAT FEE TO THESE RATES.

SO IF COUNCIL DID WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT OPTION, THOSE RATES WOULD INCREASE BY $1 PLUS ANY ADJUSTMENTS FOR FRANCHISE FEE RATES AS WELL AS SALES TAX.

SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE FACTORED IN IF WE WENT WITH THAT OPTION.

SO HERE'S THE CLOSED COMMERCIAL RATES, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE IS ACTUALLY A DECREASE IN COST.

SO YOU SEE OPTION ONE WITH THE CURRENT SERVICE PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT WE PAY NOW, BUT WHEN YOU GET TO OPTION TWO AND THREE YOU CAN SEE A BIG DROP IN THE PRICE SPECIFICALLY WITH OPTION THREE THAT WITH ALL THOSE FEES THE RESIDENTS PAY, IT WOULD BE ABOUT $16.70 WITH THE CLOSED MARKET, AND THIS JUST REAL QUICKLY SHOWS YOU A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON OF THE OPEN VERSUS CLOSED COMMERCIAL.

I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DO NEED AN EXTRA CARD AT $7 PER MONTH, AND THEN WE HAVE ABOUT 58 BUSINESSES IN DOWNTOWN THAT USE OUR LARGE AND SMALL COLLECTION

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SERVICE THROUGH WASTE CONNECTIONS.

WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF BUSINESSES THAT DO USE DUMPSTERS AND USE A THIRD PARTY, BUT IF THEY WERE TO CONTINUE USING THAT SERVICE, SOME OF THEM ALSO DO HAVE BAG PICKUP IN DOWNTOWN, BUT THEY WOULD STILL GET CHARGED THAT SAME RATE AND THAT SAME SERVICE RATES FOR LARGE AND SMALL WOULD STILL BE OFFERED AT THAT SAME RATE, AND SO WE DID GET THE COMMERCIAL RATES FOR DUMPSTERS, AS WELL AS ROLL OFF AND COMPACTOR RATES FROM WASTE CONNECTIONS, AND SO WHAT SOLID WASTE SPECIALISTS DID IS THEY TOOK THE CITY, AS YOU SEE HERE ON THE SLIDE. THESE ARE CITIES THAT HAD THE RECENTLY WENT INTO A NEW CONTRACT FOR COMMERCIAL SERVICE, AND SO THEY WERE THIS REALLY ALLOWED THEM TO GET THE MOST UPDATED RATES AND THEN THEY ESCALATED IT WITH THE 5% TO THE YEAR 2026.

BECAUSE REALISTICALLY, IF WE DID GO THE ROUTE OF A CLOSED COMMERCIAL MARKET, IT WOULD BE ABOUT A YEAR FROM NOW TO ALLOW FOR THAT TRANSITION.

SO IT REALLY GIVES US A CLOSEST COMPARISON TO WHAT WASTE CONNECTIONS IS PROPOSING VERSUS WHAT'S OUT IN THE MARKET.

SO YOU'LL SEE THAT ON THIS NEXT SLIDE.

SO JUST TO KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH THIS SLIDE REAL QUICK.

SO THE CONTAINER SIZES ARE FOR EXAMPLE ON THE LEFT THERE'S A TWO YARD A THREE YARD DUMPSTER FOUR YARD DUMPSTER, AND THEN SIX AND EIGHT RESPECTIVELY.

ACROSS THE TOP THERE YOU'LL SEE THE FREQUENCY OF COLLECTION.

SO ONE WEEK, TWO WEEK, THREE WEEK, FOUR AND ALL THE WAY UP TO SIX, AND THESE RATES ARE THE AVERAGE OF ALL THOSE CITIES THAT WERE MENTIONED ON THE PREVIOUS TABLE, WHAT THAT RATE WOULD BE, AND SO FOR EXAMPLE IN THOSE RATES ARE ON A MONTHLY BASIS.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, A TWO YARD DUMPSTER AT ONCE A WEEK WOULD BE $91 A MONTH FOR THAT FOR THE CUSTOMER, AND A SIX YARD AT SIX TIMES A WEEK WOULD BE 886, RESPECTIVELY, AND SO WE DID GET THE RATES FOR WASTE CONNECTIONS, YOU CAN SEE, AND WE DID A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON.

ON THE LEFT YOU SEE THE COMBINED RATE SHEET THAT WE HAD, AND THEN WE HAVE THE PROPOSED WEIGHTS BY WASTE CONNECTIONS, AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE RATES ARE PRETTY, PRETTY COMPETITIVE FOR WHAT THEY PROPOSED AND THAT'S ONE THING WE DID SEE IS THAT A LOT OF THESE CLOSED COMMERCIAL MARKETS, THE RATES ARE PRETTY SIMILAR BECAUSE IT'S REGULATED.

IT'S BEEN NEGOTIATED.

SO YOU WILL SEE A LOT OF SIMILARITIES, AND WE DO HAVE THE BREAKOUT OF EACH CITY IN THE APPENDIX OF THIS PRESENTATION FOR FUTURE REFERENCE, BUT YOU CAN SEE UNDER THEIR PROPOSAL THAT SAME TWO YARD AT ONCE A MONTH, ONCE A WEEK PICKUP WOULD BE $86 A MONTH, AND THEN THAT SIX YARD AT SIX WEEKS THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER WOULD BE 813.

SO PRETTY IN LINE WITH WHAT THE WHAT THE MARKET IS SHOWING, AND THEN SO WHEN IT CAME TO ROLL OFF PRICING, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S OFFERED THAT A LOT OF OUR INDUSTRIAL CUSTOMERS USE ROLL OFFS AND COMPACTORS.

AGAIN, KIND OF A SIMILAR SETUP.

YOU HAVE YOUR DIFFERENT SIZES, YOUR 20 OR 30 AND 40 YARD ON THE LEFT, AND THEN YOU HAVE A RENTAL RATE.

A HAUL RATE IS HOW MUCH THEY CHARGE EVERY TIME THEY PICK IT UP, AND THEN THERE'S A DISPOSAL RATE OF PER TON.

IT'S KIND OF THE NET TONS THAT THEY DISPOSE OF LANDFILL.

SO IT'S LIKE $40 PER TON IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO BURLESON, AND THEN 45 FOR THE COMPACTOR, AND THESE RATES FOR THESE OTHER CITIES ARE CURRENT RATES FOR THIS YEAR.

WE WERE TRYING TO DO THE 5% ESCALATOR AND TRY TO DO THE SAME METHODOLOGY FOR THE DUMPSTERS, BUT BECAUSE THESE RATES ARE SO UNIQUELY DIFFERENT, AS YOU CAN SEE, WHERE SOME RATES ARE VARIABLE, SOME SAY IT'S NEGOTIABLE OR INCLUDED, IT WAS A LITTLE MORE CHALLENGING TO TRY TO USE THAT SAME PROCESS.

SO WE REALLY ARE JUST AGAIN, FOR THIS PURPOSES, WE'RE JUST SHOWING YOU THE CURRENT RATES AS OF THIS CURRENT YEAR FOR WHAT THOSE OTHER CITIES OFFER, AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT REPLACING BAGS WITH CARTS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THERE ARE BENEFITS TO CARTS.

YOU KNOW, FROM A GARBAGE CONTAINMENT STANDPOINT, IT CAN HOLD SEVERAL KITCHEN BAGS.

IT CAN REDUCE LITTER AND PREVENT ANIMALS FROM TEARING BAGS, AS WELL AS MINIMIZING MINIMIZING WIND BLOWN WASTE, AND REALLY, THEY'RE KIND OF EASY TO MOVE CARTS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DESIGNED FOR EASY TIPPING AND MOVEMENT AND REALLY ELIMINATING THE NEED FOR HEAVY LIFTING.

EXTRA CARTS ARE ALWAYS AVAILABLE IF RESIDENTS WANT THEM, AND THEN WE'RE ALREADY DOING THIS NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE A 64 GALLON RECYCLING CART, BUT A SENIOR OR DISABLED RESIDENTS THAT MAY HAVE TROUBLE MOVING THE CART OUT.

WE HAVE A CURBSIDE ASSISTANCE WHERE THEY'LL COME PHYSICALLY TAKE THE CART AND DO THE EMPTYING, AND FOR THEM, AGAIN, SOMETHING WE'RE ALREADY OFFERING, BUT AGAIN, IT WOULD BE EXPANDED IF WE WENT WITH A CARD OPTION TO TRASH AS WELL, AND FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF THE CITY, THE CLOSED COMMERCIAL MARKET DOES HAVE ITS ADVANTAGES.

FOR EXAMPLE, IT WOULD PROVIDE A MORE CONSISTENT RATE FOR ALL OUR BUSINESSES.

IT SET A BASELINE AND HAVE A PUBLISHED RATE SCHEDULE THAT EVERYBODY WOULD KNOW WOULD BE THE COST OF THE DUMPSTERS AND ROLL OFFS.

ONE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT IS THAT 5% CAP THAT THEY OFFER WOULD ALSO APPLY TO C OMMERCIAL, SO IT WOULD HELP CONTROL FOR FUTURE COST INCREASE.

ALSO, LESS WEAR AND TEAR ON STREETS BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE ONE VENDOR DOING DOING THE PICKUP.

YOU WOULD HAVE MULTIPLE TRUCKS ON THE STREETS PICKING STUFF UP AS WELL AS THE APPEARANCE OF CONTAINERS.

ALL THE CONTAINERS WOULD BE PLACED.

THEY'D BE NICE AND PAINTED, UNIFORM LOOKING, AND IT WOULD JUST LOOK MORE CLEAN, AND THEN JUST ALSO JUST A SINGLE POINT OF CONTACT FOR THE SERVICE, YOU KNOW.

ONE CHALLENGE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW FROM A CUSTOMER SERVICE STANDPOINT IS, YOU KNOW, A BUSINESS, A NEW BUSINESS MOVES TO TOWN AND WANTS TO KNOW, HEY, WHO CAN I USE? AND BECAUSE IT'S AN OPEN MARKET, WE REALLY CAN'T RECOMMEND ANYBODY OR REALLY KIND OF POINT THEM IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

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IN THIS SCENARIO, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HELP THAT BUSINESS GET SET UP, AND SO THEY CAN FOCUS ON THEIR BUSINESS AND NOT HAVE TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME HUNTING DOWN, YOU KNOW, A TRASH SERVICE.

THIS IS JUST A COMPARISON. LOOKING AT OTHER NORTH TEXAS CITIES AND CITIES IN TEXAS THAT HAVE OPEN AND CLOSED MARKET, YOU CAN SEE CLOSE IS KIND OF THE NORM AND THIS SLIDE, YOU'RE PROBABLY FAMILIAR FROM THE BUDGET PROCESS.

SOME OF OUR COMPARISON CITIES, AND WE JUST ADDED WE DID THIS FOR OUR SOLID WASTE RATE PROPOSALS.

YOU CAN SEE THE COMMERCIAL MOSTLY CLOSED IS WHAT YOU SEE HERE IN OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES EXCEPT FOR FORT WORTH AND OURSELVES, BUT AGAIN, A CLOSED MARKET IS A PRETTY COMMON PRACTICE, AND JUST REAL QUICK, ON THE HOUSEHOLD CURBSIDE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM WE WERE MENTIONING RIGHT NOW, WE CURRENTLY OFFER A PROGRAM WHERE RESIDENTS CAN EITHER GO TO AN ANNUAL EVENT TO DISPOSE OF HOUSEHOLD WASTE, OR THEY CAN GO TO A CITY LOCATION AT THE CITY OF FORT WORTH, LOCATED ABOUT LOOP 820 AND I-30, AND IT COSTS ABOUT $45,000 A YEAR, BUT THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT IS WE CAN'T MEET CURRENT DEMAND ON THAT, SO WE END UP TURNING A LOT OF PEOPLE AWAY, AND ALSO THERE'S KIND OF AN INCONVENIENCE FACTOR FOR HAVING TO DRIVE, YOU KNOW, THAT FAR TO DISPOSE OF THAT STUFF.

SO WASTE CONNECTIONS IS PROPOSING IS USING A TCEQ APPROVED SUBCONTRACTOR THAT WILL OFFER THAT DOLLAR RATE PER HOME, AND THEY HAVE TO SCHEDULE IN ADVANCE.

IT'S ONCE A MONTH, BUT IT'S A MORE CONVENIENT SOLUTION FOR GETTING RID OF THOSE, THOSE PRODUCTS, AND ALSO IT WILL ALSO REDUCE THE POTENTIAL RESIDENTS NOT DISPOSING THOSE ITEMS IN REGULAR TRASH, WHICH CAN BE A HAZARD, AND THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE PERMISSIBLE AND ACCEPTED BATTERIES, PAINTS, AEROSOL CANS, GLUES AND EPOXIES.

IT DOESN'T INCLUDE E-WASTE.

UNFORTUNATELY, THAT IS A SEPARATE SERVICE, BUT AGAIN, THERE ARE A LOT OF MATERIALS THAT CAN BE USED THERE, AND THEN JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT WHAT SOME CONCERNS WE MAY GET IF WE WENT THIS ROUTE, YOU KNOW, FROM RESIDENTS, THEY MAY FEEL LIKE IT'S A LOSS OF SERVICE OR JUST ONCE A WEEK AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SMALL BRUSH, YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW IT'S THREE CUBIC YARDS, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU CAN PUT OUT, AND IF YOU'RE A LITTLE OVER WASTE, CONNECTIONS CAN HANDLE IT, BUT UNDER THIS NEW SERVICE, BECAUSE THE EQUIPMENT, IT WOULD BE MORE STRICTLY ENFORCED, BUT, YOU KNOW, FEWER HOMES GENERATE THAT MUCH TO FILL UP A CART.

YOU KNOW, THE 95 GALLON HAS MORE CAPACITY AND YOU KNOW, IT IS $7 A MONTH FOR AN EXTRA CART IF YOU NEED IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE TEXAS AVERAGE FOR SECOND CARTS IS ABOUT 5%, YOU KNOW.

YES. SORRY TO INTERRUPT.

DO YOU MIND, SINCE YOU HAVE YOUR PROPS HERE TALKING ABOUT THE SIZE OF THESE TWO CONTAINERS? YES, SURE. SO THIS IS A STANDARD 95 GALLON YOU CAN EITHER, DEPENDING ON THE WAY YOU PULL OR EVEN PUSH, AND THIS IS JUST A CURRENT 64 GALLON RECYCLING CART WE CURRENTLY PROVIDE.

OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DID THE 95 GALLON, WE GET THE SAME SIZE AS THE BLUE CART BUT THESE ARE JUST SO THEY REALLY ARE KIND OF EASY DESIGN FOR, YOU KNOW, OVER-TIPPING AND JUST MORE EASE IN THE END.

SO NO PROBLEM.

SORRY ABOUT THAT. I GOT A LITTLE CARRIED AWAY.

RICHARD, WOULD YOU SAY WHAT THE SIZES ARE AGAIN, BECAUSE IT WON'T PICK IT UP ON THE VIDEO WHEN YOU'RE NOT WITH THE MICROPHONE.

THE GREEN CART IS A 95 GALLON, 95 GALLON ON THERE.

THE RECYCLE IS A? THE BLUE RECYCLE IS 64 GALLON IN THE GREEN IS 95.

THANK YOU. YEAH, AND AGAIN ON THE COMMERCIAL THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE CONCERNS THAT MAY COME UP IS THAT THEY MAY FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN GET A BETTER DEAL ON THEIR OWN, BUT REALLY IN AN OPEN MARKET, IT DOES LEAD TO LONG TERM COST INCREASE AND HIDDEN FEES, AND THERE'S NO REAL TIME TO AUDIT YOUR BILLS, BUT YOU KNOW, UNDER THIS CONTRACT THOSE RATES ARE REGULATED.

IT PROTECTS FOR FUTURE COSTS, AND THEN AGAIN, YOU CAN REDUCE ROAD DAMAGE, AND ALSO JUST KIND OF A BETTER WASTE MANAGEMENT APPROACH IN GENERAL FOR OUR COMMERCIAL COLLECTIONS, AND SO AGAIN JUST RECAPPING THE OPTIONS.

OPTION ONE IS JUST AGAIN, MAKE NO CHANGES AND KEEP THE CURRENT SERVICE, YOU KNOW, BUT THERE WOULD BE NO CAP FOR ANNUAL RATE ADJUSTMENTS, AND CONTRACT LANGUAGES WOULD HAVE NO PENALTIES FOR SERVICE LAPSE.

OPTION TWO YOU COULD ACCEPT THOSE AMENDMENTS THE CAP, YOU KNOW, THE SERVICE LIFE PENALTIES AND JUST LEAVE GARBAGE IN THE COMMERCIAL MARKET AS IS.

OR OPTION THREE YOU COULD CHANGE TO CART OPTIONS EITHER OPEN OR CLOSED, AND THEN IF YOU DID GO TO CARTS, THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO TRANSITION THE FOURTH QUARTER OF 2025, AND WITH THE COMMERCIAL IF IT WENT CLOSED, WE GIVE EVERYBODY A YEAR TO TRANSITION AND WORK WITH WASTE CONNECTIONS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, AND THAT WOULD BE IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2026, AND WE ESTIMATE WASTE CONNECTIONS IS ABOUT 40% OF THE COMMERCIAL MARKET, BUT OVERALL, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS DOING THE OPTION THREE, THE ONCE PER WEEK COLLECTION OF SOLID WASTE USING A 95 GALLON, AS WELL AS A 95 GALLON CART FOR RECYCLING.

KEEP THE SMALL BRUSH ONCE PER WEEK.

WE KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY USED BY OUR RESIDENTS ONCE PER MONTH COLLECTION OF LARGE BRUSH AND BULK.

WE'D ALSO RECOMMEND ADDING THE HOUSEHOLD PROGRAM FOR ADDITIONAL DOLLAR PER MONTH, AND THEN WE'D RECOMMEND CLOSING THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL MARKET.

IF THIS IS THE DIRECTION THE COUNCIL WOULD WANT TO GO, WE'D HAVE TO BRING BACK A CONTRACT AMENDMENT FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL, BUT THIS CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

I HAVEN'T HEARD YOU ADDRESS LEAVES.

LEAVES. YEAH.

LEAVES. HOW ARE WE GOING TO MANAGE THE LEAVES?

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IF YOU NOTICE THIS TIME OF YEAR, I KNOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE EIGHT BAGS OUT THERE, BUT I'VE SEEN TWO ROWS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE CORNER AROUND SOME. YEAH, I THINK WE'D STILL HAVE THE PROGRAM, IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN, WHERE WE COULD BAG THE LEAVES AND HAVE A PICKUP FOR THAT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, BUT YES, THAT PROGRAM WOULD STILL EXIST WHERE YOU CAN BAG THE LEAVES AND IT WOULD BE PICKED UP AS FAR AS DURING THE SEASONS.

WELL, IS THAT COST NOW ALREADY BUILT INTO OUR PRICE? I BELIEVE THAT'S BUILT INTO OUR PRICE AND WOULD REMAIN, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. NO, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.

NO, THERE'S NO CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS.

I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST.

OR IS THAT AN ADD ON OR.

RICHARD, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE LEAVES WOULD FALL UNDER THE ONCE A WEEK COLLECTION FOR SMALL BRUSH? YES, SIR. SO THAT'S CORRECT.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE LIMITATION ON THAT IN TERMS OF YARDS OR BAGS? AS FAR AS LIMITATION IT'S THREE CUBIC YARDS CUT IN BUNDLED.

YOU KNOW I'M SORRY.

GO AHEAD, BUT IF IT'S BAD GREEN WASTE IN TERMS OF THE LEAVES THAT MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR.

YEAH I THINK I YEAH I THINK BRANDON.

YEAH. THIS ONE.

GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS BRAD WAINSCOTT. I'M THE DIVISION VICE PRESIDENT FOR WASTE CONNECTIONS.

I WORK WITH ABEL MORENO.

HE'S THE DISTRICT MANAGER THAT COVERS THE SERVICE FOR BURLESON.

YES. TO YOUR POINT, THREE CUBIC YARDS WOULD COVER THE SMALL BRUSH, AND WHAT? BASICALLY THE SIZE OF THREE CUBIC YARDS.

IMAGINE WHAT YOUR WASHER AND DRYER.

YOUR YOUR WASHER IS BASICALLY ONE CUBIC YARD.

SO WEEKLY, IF YOU IMAGINE THREE OF THOSE YOU WOULD HAVE, THAT WOULD BE YOUR THREE.

THREE CUBIC YARDS, AND YES, THOSE THOSE LEAVES WOULD COVER UNDER THAT IF THAT'S THE QUESTION.

ANYBODY ELSE? I DO HAVE A SPEAKER CARD IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO CALL FORWARD THE SPEAKER, PHILIP SANDERS.

HELLO, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I WASN'T PLANNING ON SPEAKING.

DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA.

LAST TIME I SPOKE WITH YOU WAS ABOUT TRASH, SO I'M GOING TO PICK UP ON THAT.

THREE SQUARE YARDS FOR PICKING UP TRASH, YOUR LIMBS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

IT'S NOT NEAR ENOUGH.

THE CURRENT CITY.

LIKE I'M IN ZONE FOUR, FOR EXAMPLE.

OKAY. IT SAYS YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT CUT UP WITHIN SIX FEET, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE A LIMIT THAT I'M AWARE OF.

I HAVEN'T READ IT RECENTLY, BUT I DON'T THINK IT HAS A LIMIT.

THREE SQUARE OR CUBIC YARDS IS NOT VERY MUCH AT ALL.

I JUST HAD TO TRIM TREES AND IT TOOK A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN THREE SQUARE YARDS.

ANOTHER THING ABOUT YOUR THESE IF YOU SWITCH OVER TO THESE, THAT'S NOT GOING TO THAT'S GOING TO REALLY HAMPER ALL THE CITY CITIZENS, ALL THE TAXPAYERS THE WAY.

UNLESS Y'ALL HAVE CHANGED IT, AND I HAVEN'T BEEN TO A COUNCIL MEETING LAST TIME I READ IT, IT'S TEN BAGS PER CYCLE NOT TO EXCEED 35 POUNDS PER BAG.

YOU'RE NOT PUTTING TEN BAGS IN ONE OF THOSE.

NOT POSSIBLE.

SO I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE.

YOU ALSO HAVE A WIND ISSUE.

MY PROPERTY HAS A HILL ON BOTH SIDES, AND IF YOU PUT THAT OUT THERE, AS TALL AS IT IS WITH THE WINDS WE HAD JUST LAST NIGHT ALONE, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE SITTING IN SOMEBODY'S YARD ABOUT 300FT AWAY WITH THE TRASH SCATTERED EVERYWHERE.

THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.

IT'S ALSO GOING TO CAUSE BLOCKAGES FOR FOR PARKING.

I HAVE LOTS OF PARKING.

I'M BLESSED. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T.

IT'S GOING TO BE A IT'S GOING TO BE PARKING ISSUE FOR CARS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, AND YOU ALSO CAN'T PARK IN FRONT OF THE POST, THE MAILBOXES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO YOU'RE JUST ADDING ONE MORE THING TO ELIMINATE HOW MUCH PARKING SPACE THAT YOU HAVE IN A PUBLIC STREET.

SO THAT'S MY OPINION.

THOUGHT I'D SHARE.

ANYBODY ELSE. THIS IS LIKE THE THIRD TIME IN THE PAST 16 YEARS I'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH VARIOUS COUNCILS, AND I'VE OFTEN WONDERED IF WE HAVE CHOSEN WELL TO CONTINUE.

RIGHT NOW, THE CITIZENS HAVE THE OPTION OF EITHER OR.

THEY CAN PUT THEIR TRASH OUT IN BAGS OR THEY CAN PUT IT OUT IN CONTAINERS IF THAT'S THEIR CHOICE.

WE'LL TAKE AN ACTION THAT COULD PERHAPS TAKE THAT CHOICE AWAY.

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ONE THING THAT CONTINUES TO COME BACK TO ME IS WE'RE CAPABLE OF PICKING UP EVERYONE'S TRASH, AS THE PRICING SHEET HERE SHOWS, FOR QUITE A BIT LESS COST PER MONTH, PER HOUSEHOLD.

I HAD TOMMY RUN ME SOME NUMBERS JUST TO COMPARE.

THE REDUCTION.

LET'S SAY WE GO WITH THE LOWEST COST RATE OF ONCE WEEKLY PICKUP IN THE IN THE CONTAINERS.

WE'RE ACTUALLY OFFERING THE CITIZENS A REDUCTION IN FEES THAT EQUALS ABOUT A THREE CENT TAX RATE REDUCTION, AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BIG DISCUSSIONS ABOUT LOWERING OR RAISING THE TAX RATE WHEN WE NEED TO, AND HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY WE CAN TAKE ESSENTIALLY THE EQUIVALENT OF $0.03 OFF THE TAX RATE BY JUST CHARGING THEM LESS, BUT WITH THE CAVEAT THAT TO SOME PEOPLE THAT'S GOING TO BE PERCEIVED AS PROVIDING LESS SERVICE THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IN THE PAST.

WELL, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT THE IDEA OF PROVIDING THE MOST EFFICIENT SERVICE THAT WE CAN, AND THE COST OF IT HAS TO BE WHAT IT HAS TO BE.

WE TAKE STEPS TO DO THINGS EFFICIENTLY, ECONOMICALLY, SENSIBLY AND WHATEVER IT COSTS US, WHAT THE TAX RATE HAS TO COVER, AND THIS IS A SIMILAR SITUATION.

WE CAN ACTUALLY GET ALL THE TRASH OUT OF BURLESON EVERY TIME WE NEED TO FOR LESS MONEY DOING IT.

THIS WAY WE CAN TAKE THE SAVINGS THAT THE CITIZENS WILL HAVE, AND PERHAPS WE MAY.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME OTHER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT THAT CAME UP AS A PART OF THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO YOUR TRASH.

WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO OUR UTILITY STORMWATER FEE AND OUR POTENTIAL ROADWAY MAINTENANCE FEE.

THESE TWO NUMBERS COULD COME CLOSE TO OFFSETTING.

REMEMBER? MY THING IS, GIVE THE BEST SERVICE FOR THE MONEY THAT WE CAN.

SO PERHAPS WE CAN IMPROVE OR HAVE SOME LATITUDE, SOME SOME WAY WITHIN THE WAY WE DO THINGS TO NOT PAY ANY MORE MONEY, BUT TO GET A BETTER SERVICE BY GOING TO A MORE EFFICIENT TRASH COLLECTION METHOD AND USING THE SAVINGS AS FAR AS THE CITIZENS ARE CONCERNED, TO OFFSET A POTENTIAL FEE THAT COULD COME IN. SO EVERYBODY PAYS THE SAME AT THE END OF ALL OF THAT, PERHAPS, BUT THEY GET A WHOLE LOT MORE FOR IT.

THAT'S THE THING TO GIVE THE CITIZENS THE BEST DEAL THAT WE CAN FOR WHAT THEY HAVE TO PAY.

TO ME, HAVING TWICE WEEKLY PICKUP, IT'S BEEN NICE, BUT IT'S KIND OF A LUXURY COMPARED TO WHATEVER OTHER CITY DOES, AND WE CAN SEE THAT IN THE COMPARISONS THAT RICHARD'S SHOWN US, AND AT THE BOTTOM LINE, I THINK I'D LIKE TO GO WITH THE LOW END.

I'M CALLING IT LOW END.

THAT'S NOT REALLY TRUE. THE MOST EFFICIENT SERVICE IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

I DON'T NECESSARILY LIKE THE 95 GALLON CART.

IT'S HUGE. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT ANOTHER PLACE TO PUT IT.

THE MORE I'M PUTTING THE ONE I HAVE.

AMONG THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD IS IF WE'RE GETTING ALONG WITH A 65 GALLON RECYCLE UNIT, WHY DO WE NEED TO ALSO GO TO A 95 GALLON ON THAT? COULD WE ACHIEVE SOME SAVINGS BY KEEPING THAT SIZE AND RECYCLE, BUT GOING TO THE BIGGER TUB FOR TRASH. IT'S ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD.

YEAH, WE DID TALK TO WASTE CONNECTIONS ON THAT AND, YOU KNOW, ASKED HIM, HEY, WHAT WOULD IT BE IF WE DID JUST KEEP THE 64 GALLON AND THE 95, YOU KNOW, OUR INITIAL PROPOSAL, WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT, AND WE WERE REALLY TRYING TO FOCUS ON THE 95, AND WE DID KEEP THE 64 FOR EVERY OTHER WEEK, BUT THEY SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND WORK WITH THEIR CORPORATE OFFICE TO GET A FINAL RATE, BUT THEY'RE SAYING IT'S KIND OF A RANGE OF ABOUT A 20 TO 40 CENT SAVINGS.

IF WE KEPT THE 64 AND DID ONCE A WEEK, 95 TRASH AND KEEP THE 64 RECYCLING A RANGE OF 20 TO $0.40, BUT THEY SAID THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK, FINALIZE THAT RATE AND BRING THAT BACK TO US, WHICH THEY'RE WILLING TO DO.

OKAY. I DON'T KNOW.

I WE'VE GOT A FULL COUNCIL UP.

WELL, MINUS ONE, BUT WE HAVE A COUNCIL HERE BECAUSE ONE PERSON DOESN'T MAKE THESE DECISIONS.

I'VE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY FOR US TO DO IT, BUT I'M WIDE OPEN TO ANYONE ELSE'S OPINION ON ON WHAT THEY LIKE THE BEST AND BY THE WAY, I STARTED OUT MY MORNING BY DRIVING OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY JUST BEFORE DAYLIGHT AND PICKING UP ALL THE TRASH THAT THE ANIMALS HAD GOTTEN INTO MY BAGS AND SCATTERED ALL UP AND DOWN THE ROAD.

I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT MADE A DIFFERENCE IN MY OPINION TONIGHT, BUT IT WAS A REMINDER THAT IS AN ISSUE.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THE MOMENT.

I REALLY LIKE THE WORD EFFICIENCY THAT WAS USED ON HERE.

I AM A HUGE PROPONENT FOR THIS.

MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I HAPPEN TO LIVE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL.

SO WHEN WE HAD THE RAINS LAST WEEK, GUESS WHERE EVERYBODY'S TRASH ROLLED DOWN?

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IT'S ALL COLLECTED ON THE LITTLE BIT OF A CUL DE SAC.

I FEEL LIKE IF WE HAD SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE THAT HAS EVERYBODY'S TRASH COLLECTED IN ONE SPOT, I THINK IT WOULD SAVE OUR DRAINS, BECAUSE I DID CALL TOMMY ABOUT DRAINS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE ALL THE TRASH HAD FLOATED DOWN THE STREET.

I LIKE THE COST EFFECTIVENESS, AND PART OF THE COST EFFECTIVE SIDE OF THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THE TRUCKS HAVE TO BE BUILT OUT IN ORDER TO, AND I THINK THAT'S WHY YOU WANTED THEM TO BE THE SAME SIZE POSSIBLY.

YEAH IT'S ALSO JUST MORE EFFICIENCY.

YOU JUST GIVE ADDED CAPACITY TO BOTH AND LYNN, I THINK I'VE GOT THAT CORRECT THERE, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE MAIN REASON WHY WE WERE GOING WITH THE 95.

IT'S YOU CAPTURE THE MOST EFFICIENCY WITH THOSE SIZES, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO WITH THAT PER SE.

RIGHT. I DO HAVE A NEIGHBOR THAT THEY LITERALLY HAVE EIGHT CHILDREN, AND THEY HAVE A LOT MORE TRASH THAN WHAT I DO ON MONDAYS AND THURSDAYS, BUT LOOKING AT THIS SIZE, I DO THINK THAT THIS WOULD STILL BE SUFFICIENT FOR THEM, AND THERE IS AN ADJUSTMENT IF YOU WANTED AN ADDITIONAL CONTAINER, CORRECT? YES. IT'S $7 A MONTH FOR AN EXTRA CONTAINER.

RIGHT, AND SO IT WOULD REALLY BE UP TO THE HOMEOWNER IF THAT'S THE ONE THAT THEY WANTED TO USE.

I LIKE IT.

IS EVERYBODY ON BOARD WITH OPTION THREE? LET'S CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION THOUGH, MAYOR, IF THAT'S OKAY.

GO AHEAD. VICTORIA.

NO GO AHEAD.

I WAS JUST STEERING IT BACK.

I MEAN, I AGREE WITH WHEN THERE'S BAGS OUT, THERE'S A BIG ARRAY.

THERE ARE FAMILIES THAT HAVE A LOT OF TRASH BAGS AND FAMILIES THAT DON'T HAVE AS MUCH TRASH, AND THERE'S FAMILIES THAT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE RECYCLING AND SOME THAT COMPLETELY DON'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO MAKE US RESPONSIBLE.

AS FAR AS KEEPING UP WITH EVERYTHING THAT BELONGS TO US, LIKE, BECAUSE ON BAD DAYS IT CAN BE SPREAD OUT, IT CAN BE GROSS AND A MESS AND IT JUST THEN IT BECOMES LIKE I'VE WATCHED TRASH JUST DETERIORATE BECAUSE IT WAS LEFT OUT FOR SO LONG.

AND WHEN HONESTLY, ON TRASH DAYS WHEN I THOSE ARE MY FAVORITE DAYS.

TAKE THE DOG FOR A WALK BECAUSE I CAN PUT IT IN CONTAINERS LIKE, OH GOODY, THEY HAVE LIKE A BOX SITTING OUT AND I CAN LIKE, THIS WILL HELP ME PICK UP OTHER PEOPLE'S STUFF AND MINE BECAUSE THEN I DON'T HAVE TO CARRY IT ALL AROUND.

SO I THINK IT'S CLEANER, I THINK IT LOOKS BETTER AND IT CAN CONTAIN MOST OF OUR STUFF.

IT IS GOING TO BE AN ADJUSTMENT, THERE'S NO DOUBT, BUT THE SAVINGS FOR WHAT WE'RE GETTING, I THINK IS NOT.

THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S HAD MY ATTENTION THIS WHOLE TIME OF, I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, THE COLLECTION, AND WE COULD EVEN CONSIDER IT BEING COLLECTED TWICE A WEEK, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE, WHAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION RECOMMENDED PROPOSAL IS JUST I FEEL LIKE IT'S COVERED A LOT OF BASES.

IT'S GOING TO ALLOW US TO CONSIDER OTHER OPTIONS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING, YOU KNOW, FOR SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS THAT WE HAVE TO DISCUSS TONIGHT, BUT STILL PROVIDING A VERY QUALITY AND EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE SERVICE, I THINK IT JUST LOOKS SO CLEAN AND HAS THE POTENTIAL TO KEEP US CLEAN, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PERFECT.

THERE WILL BE TURNOVERS AND THINGS WHEN THE WIND COMES AND I LIVE.

I SWEAR OUR NEIGHBOR, OUR YARD OF OUR STREET IS THE COLLECTION OF ALL THINGS THAT BLOW.

I'VE COLLECTED PEOPLE'S CARTS, I'VE COLLECTED PEOPLE'S TRASH, OUR YARD IS THE MAGNET OF THE STREET, AND SO I KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PERFECT. THERE IS NO TRASH SERVICE THAT'S GOING TO BE PERFECT.

THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A ONE SIZE THAT FITS ALL, BUT AS MAYOR PRO TEM SAID, IT'S ABOUT EFFICIENCY AND WHAT WE'RE GIVING AND GETTING FOR THE PRICE THAT WE'RE PAYING, AND I AM LIKE, I'M BLOWN AWAY THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PAYING 20 AND SOME CHANGE.

WE COULD MOVE THIS DOWN TO 13 AND SOME CHANGE, BUT ACCOMPLISH SO MANY MORE THINGS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO BALANCE IS WHAT ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO ACCOMPLISH AND WHAT ARE WE WHAT ARE WHAT ARE THE CITIZENS EXPECTING US ALL TO COVER AND WHAT CAN WE COVER FOR THE BEST PRICE THAT WE CAN AND SO I TRULY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT'S BEEN PUT INTO THIS.

COUNCILMEMBER JOHNSON, JUST ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

JUST WITH REGARDS TO THE RATES FOR OPTION THREE, THE 13 AND SOME CHANGE IS REALLY THE RATE THAT GOES TO WASTE CONNECTIONS, BUT WHEN WE ADD OUR ADMINISTRATIVE OVERHEADS AND OTHER FEES SALES TAX FRANCHISE IT'S 16.70, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M BEING CLEAR ABOUT THAT.

SORRY 16. THAT'S STILL A BIG GAP.

ABSOLUTELY. WELL THEN YEAH THE SALES TAX ON TOP OF THAT BUT YEAH IT'S A LITTLE HIGHER THAN THAT BUT CLOSE.

IT'S ABOUT $7.50, AND I JUST I MEAN THE CARTS IT'S GOING TO BE AN ADJUSTMENT.

I MEAN EVEN THE BLUE ONE SOMETIMES IS IN OUR WAY, BUT IT JUST CONTAINS EVERYTHING, AND I THINK IT MAKES EVERYTHING LOOK BETTER.

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I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE ALSO CHANGING THE MARKET FOR COMMERCIAL SERVICE.

I DON'T WANT TO GLOSS THAT OVER.

I'M A CUSTOMER OF COMMERCIAL SERVICE MYSELF, AND WHEN I FIRST HAD THIS IDEA BROACHED TO ME OF CLOSING THE MARKET, I HAVE TO SAY, I DIDN'T LIKE THAT IDEA THAT WE'D NO LONGER HAVE A COMPETITION BECAUSE IN MY MIND, COMPETITION ALWAYS KEEPS PRICES DOWN, AND PERHAPS IT DOES, BUT I FEEL LIKE TO MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE FOR THE VENDOR TO OFFER THE BETTER PRICES FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PICKUP.

THIS IS JUST GOING TO HAVE TO BE A PART OF THE PLAN.

I LIKE THE FACT THAT THE RATES THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING ARE COMPETITIVE ALREADY AGAINST OTHER OPEN MARKETS, AND I FEEL LIKE IF WE STRUCTURE OUR FRANCHISE AGREEMENT IN A WAY THAT THE CITY MAINTAINS SOME CONTROL OVER THAT, THAT THESE PRICES WILL BE FORCED TO REMAIN COMPETITIVE WITH WHAT AN OPEN MARKET WOULD SUPPORT, THEN I'D FEEL MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE ABOUT MAKING THAT CHANGE.

THIS WILL ACTUALLY REQUIRE ME TO MAKE A CHANGE IN VENDOR, BECAUSE I'M NOT WITH THIS COMPANY AT THE MOMENT.

I'LL HAVE TO CHANGE TO THE OTHER COMPANY, WHICH IS FINE.

TRASH IS TRASH. I DON'T CARE WHOSE TRUCK HAULS IT OFF, BUT I AM NOTING THAT WE ARE MAKING A CHANGE IN THE COMMERCIAL MARKET THAT WE MIGHT GET CRITICIZED FOR, AND EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE AWARE OF THAT, BUT I THINK THE IDEA IS SUPPORTABLE.

JUST BECAUSE WE BENEFIT MORE PEOPLE AND THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, OUR BUSINESS CUSTOMERS WILL HAVE TO PAY MORE FOR THE SERVICE.

PRESUMABLY THEY'LL JUST HAVE TO PASS THAT ALONG TO THEIR CUSTOMERS.

OR MAYBE THEY WON'T.

I RECENTLY CHANGED COMPANIES AND SAVED A LOT JUST BY SHOPPING THE MARKET, BUT AS LONG AS THE CITY HAS SOME CONTROL OVER THE FEES THAT WILL BE CHARGED FOR COMMERCIAL SERVICE, I CAN BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.

MAYOR PRO TEM MCCLENDON TO THAT POINT, I KNOW RICHARD SPOKE EARLIER ABOUT CPI CONTROLS AND CAPS AND THE PROPOSAL OF THE 5% INCREASE, WHICH WOULD BE ONE OF THE CONTRACT AMENDMENTS, WOULD APPLY TO BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.

SO IN TERMS OF TRYING TO CONTROL THAT, I THINK COMING IN WITH FAIRLY COMPETITIVE RATES ON BOTH ON THE COMMERCIAL AND THE ROLL OFFS, AND THEN THE 5% CAP WILL HELP SPEAK TO THE POINT THAT YOU'VE MADE. I THINK SO, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO TAKE AWAY.

I THINK EVERY CITY THAT DOES BUSINESS WITH PRIVATE VENDORS WANTS THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND MAKE A PROFIT AND, AND PROVIDE A GOOD SERVICE BECAUSE THEY SEE IT AS A BENEFIT TO THEM TO DO SO. I'M A CONTRACTOR OF THE CITY, AND MOST OF THE CITIES I TALK TO SAY BASICALLY THAT THEY WANT THEIR CONTRACTORS TO BE SUCCESSFUL, SO THEY'LL STILL BE AROUND NEXT YEAR TO DO NEXT YEAR'S JOB, AND I FEEL THAT WAY TOO, BUT I KNOW THAT IN A CLOSED MARKET, THERE IS THE TENDENCY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT AND NOT TRY TO BE EFFICIENT AND NOT TRY TO KEEP COSTS DOWN BECAUSE YOU DON'T REALLY NEED TO.

YOU'VE GOT THE WHOLE MARKET TO YOURSELF.

WHY BOTHER? THAT'S WHY I THINK THE CITY NEEDS TO MAINTAIN CAPS.

IF WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, THEN, THEN.

GOOD, AND I STILL THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.

THE CAP ON THE CPI, IT'S A MAX.

SO IF CPI COMES IN AT 2.8, THEN IT'LL BE 2.8.

YES. THEY JUST CAN'T EXCEED 5%.

OKAY, AND THAT TAKES EFFECT STARTING NEXT YEAR.

IT WOULD BE. YEAH. WE PROPOSE YES WHENEVER A YEAR OR WHATEVER FOR IF WE DID THE CARTS FOR RESIDENTIAL WOULD GO INTO EFFECT FOR THE.

YES OCTOBER OF 2024, AND WE DO THAT TRANSITION, AND THEN FOR THE COMMERCIAL WE DID CLOSE IT WOULD GO INTO EFFECT FIRST QUARTER OF 2026 DEPENDING ON WHEN IF IT IS APPROVED.

WE WANT TO GIVE THEM THAT ONE YEAR TO CHANGE OVER, BUT YES IT WOULD BE IN 2026.

OKAY AND FOR THE CUSTOMERS THAT ARE I KNOW FOR THE COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS THAT HAVE OTHER VENDORS, I THINK THEY JUST ALLOW THEIR CONTRACTS TO CONTINUE UNTIL THEY EXPIRE AND THEN THEY SWITCH OVER.

IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE THE FRANCHISE AUTHORITY.

WE COULD, YOU KNOW, SAY, HEY, YOU NEED THAT.

YOU DO NEED THE CHANGEOVER REGARDLESS AT THE END OF THAT YEAR, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK ON A TRANSITION PLAN IN GENERAL ON HOW TO WOULD WORK WITH, I MEAN, WITH CONTRACTS AND THINGS. SO I THINK AS THE AMENDMENT IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED, THE EXPECTATION FROM WASTE CONNECTIONS IS, IS THAT ALL COMMERCIAL WOULD TRANSITION ON THAT EFFECTIVE DATE, WHATEVER THAT DATE IS FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT.

WE'VE SPOKEN TO MR. RIBITZKI, AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY THROUGH A FRANCHISE TO REQUIRE THAT CHANGEOVER DATE.

IF THAT'S A CONCERN FROM THE COUNCIL OR SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT US TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH WASTE CONNECTIONS, WE CAN, BUT AT THIS TIME, THE INTENTION WOULD BE WE'RE GIVING A YEAR PLUS LEAD TIME TO PREPARE FOR THAT, AND THE HOPE IS THAT'S SUFFICIENT.

OKAY. I MEAN, BECAUSE FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT, WE USE WASTE CONNECTIONS, AND I DO LIKE HAVING THE 5% CAP BECAUSE WE WHEN YOU SWITCH AROUND AND YOU GET A REALLY GOOD DEAL.

TRUST ME, THEY MAKE UP FOR IT BY THE END OF THE CONTRACT, AND SO IT'S JUST KIND OF ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

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ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, SO WHAT ABOUT HOLIDAYS? YOU KNOW, IF CHRISTMAS WAS ON A WEDNESDAY AND IF THAT'S YOUR TRASH PICKUP AND IT'S ONCE A WEEK, IS IT GOING TO BE THE NEXT DAY LIKE IT IS IN FORT WORTH? THEY COME ON THURSDAY.

IS THAT YEAH FOR RESIDENTIAL WE DEFINITELY DO IT THE NEXT DAY, BUT I'D HAVE TO YIELD TO WASTE CONNECTIONS ON HOW THEY'D HANDLE THE COMMERCIAL.

GOOD EVENING MAYORS.

CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS ABEL MORENO, DISTRICT MANAGER FOR WASTE CONNECTIONS, AND THE ANSWER WOULD BE YES IT WOULD.

IT WOULD ROTATE TO THE FOLLOWING DAY.

SO IF IT WAS LIKE THIS YEAR, CHRISTMAS, NEW YEAR'S, IT WOULD, IT WOULD.

YOUR TRASH COLLECTION WOULD BE ON THE FOLLOWING DAY FOR ONCE A WEEK, AND IS THAT ALSO FOR COMMERCIAL? IT WOULD IT WOULD BE THE SAME.

YES, AND WE WOULD DO THAT UNTIL WE CATCH UP ON ON SATURDAY.

OKAY. MY ONLY QUESTION, RICHARD, IS WHENEVER THE GENTLEMAN WHO SPOKE TO US ABOUT THE THREE YARDS, WHATEVER IT IS ON THE ON THE BRUSH, I'VE NOTICED WHAT WE'VE HAD IN THE AREA THAT I LIVE IN, THE WASTE CONNECTIONS THAT WE HAVE.

THEY NEVER QUESTIONED THESE PEOPLE.

THERE'S MORE THAN THREE YARDS.

THEY PICK IT UP.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A FINE IF THERE'S FIVE YARDS OUT THERE, SIX YARDS OUT THERE BECAUSE IT'S THREE YARDS.

NOT VERY MUCH. NO, I THINK WE DO A COMMON SENSE APPROACH WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU COMMUNICATE TO THE TO THE CUSTOMER AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE EXPECTATIONS.

WE'RE GOING TO SERVICE YOU THIS TIME.

THE NEXT TIME WE WON'T BE ABLE TO.

NOW KEEP IN MIND YOU STILL HAVE THE ONCE A MONTH LARGE BULK THAT THE RESIDENTS CAN STILL USE.

SO THERE IS THAT ONCE A MONTH.

I DON'T MIND THAT. WHAT I HATE ABOUT THAT IS THEY PUT THEY PUT ALL THEIR LEAVES AND ALL THEIR STUFF OUT THERE, THEIR LIMBS, AND BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THEM ONCE A MONTH, ALL THE LEAVES ARE IN MY YARD, AND IN MY POOL, THE LIMBS ARE DEAD AND ALL THE LEAVES ARE IN MY POOL, SO I DON'T LIKE THE ONCE A MONTH, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE WASTE CONNECTIONS COMES BY AND THEY PICK IT UP.

THEY DON'T QUESTION YOU.

THEY DON'T TELL YOU THERE'S GOING TO BE A PENALTY.

THEY PICK IT UP. SO I, WITH THAT GENTLEMAN, SPOKE TO ME A WHILE AGO.

I'M TOTALLY ON BOARD WITH IT.

SO AS LONG AS YOU PICK IT UP I DON'T MIND MAYBE TELL THEM NEXT TIME, BUT THERE'S MORE THAN JUST THREE YARDS.

THAT'S NOT VERY MUCH. I MY YARD WILL TESTIFY TO THAT.

COUNCILMEMBER ANDERSON TO THAT POINT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S LOST ON US.

IT'S ALSO NOT LOST THAT JUST IN TERMS OF HOW MANY BAGS CAN FIT IN THE CART.

IT MAY BE A CHANGE OF SERVICE.

WHILE THERE IS A CART OPTION THAT'S OFFERED FOR $7 A MONTH, WHICH WOULD BRING YOU BACK TO THAT A LITTLE LESS THAN THE $24 THAT'S PAID TODAY.

NOT EVERYONE NEEDS THAT SAME AMOUNT OF TRASH EVERY TIME.

SO WE HAVE ALSO INCORPORATED PROVISIONS FOR UNUSUAL ACCUMULATION.

SO IF IN THE EVENT THAT SOMEONE NEEDS TO PAY A LITTLE BIT EXTRA ONE TIME TO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL TRASH COLLECTED.

THAT'S AN OPTION AS WELL.

SO I DO WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE, AND YOU KNOW, WITH REGARDS TO RICHARD POINT AND I TOUCHED ON THIS, BUT I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR.

IN THE PAST WASTE CONNECTION HAS BEEN A VERY GOOD PARTNER.

THEY REMAIN A VERY GOOD PARTNER, BUT WITH REGARDS TO THE BUNDLED BRUSH AND BULK, THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO MAYBE PICK THAT UP WHEN IT HASN'T BEEN BUNDLED, WHEN IT HASN'T BEEN CUT TO THE SPECIFIC SIZES, AND I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT AS WE MAKE THIS TRANSITION, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE USING DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT, THAT IS GOING TO BE AN IMPACT TO THE RESIDENTS, AND SO I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT.

TO ABEL'S POINT, WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THAT ONCE A MONTH COLLECTION FOR LARGER THINGS, BUT I WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE THINK MAY BE A CAUSE OF CONCERNS FROM THE RESIDENTS AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HONE IN ON OUTREACH AND EDUCATION AS WE START THAT TRANSITION PROCESS AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE REALLY GOING TO HAVE TO TOUCH ON, BECAUSE IT WILL BE IT WON'T BE AS EASYGOING OR NOT.

NOT THAT IT'S EASY GOING, BUT BE ACCOMMODATED AS MUCH.

SO WE'LL WE'LL MAKE SURE WE HONE IN ON THAT IF THIS IS THE OPTION WE GO WITH.

I WAS GOING TO ASK THAT AS FAR AS IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A LOT OF FORWARD COMMUNICATION OF WHAT THE CHANGES ARE GOING TO BE, HOW IT'S GOING TO IMPACT RESIDENTS, AND WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS WILL BE TO ENSURE THAT THEY GET THE QUALITY SERVICE THAT THEY'RE EXPECTING.

ABSOLUTELY. ONE THING THAT WAS TOUCHED ON, I REALLY WANT TO EMPHASIZE, BECAUSE THE HAZARDOUS WASTE PICKUP, I BELIEVE, IS A TREMENDOUS BENEFIT FROM YOUR HOME.

THIS LAST GO ROUND. WE SAT IN THE LINE TO DROP OFF PAINT.

WE SAT IN THERE FOR AN HOUR.

THERE WERE SO MANY CARS BEHIND US AND WE DIDN'T MAKE THE CUT, SO WE HAD TO BRING ALL OF THOSE CANS BACK HOME, AND THEY'VE BEEN SITTING IN OUR GARAGE FOR HOWEVER, THREE YEARS NOW, AND MAYBE ONE DAY WE'LL MAKE THE CUT, BUT I AM SO THRILLED TO LOOK FOR THIS HAZARDOUS WASTE PICKUP SERVICE BECAUSE WE KNOW INEVITABLY PEOPLE ARE MOVING, THINGS ARE CHANGING, AND THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS ABLE TO HOLD ON TO THOSE PAINT CANS FOR THREE YEARS, YOU KNOW? AND SO DRIVING TO FORT WORTH IS NOT EASY, AND ENSURING THAT YOU'RE TAKING THINGS WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO, JUST THE EASE OF THAT SERVICE AND BRINGING IT TO THE DOOR OR TO THE RESIDENT'S HOME WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT ADVANTAGE AND I GENUINELY APPRECIATE THAT CONSIDERATION, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT'S A VERY POPULAR SERVICE.

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WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE EVERYONE.

WE TURN WAY MORE PEOPLE AWAY THAN WE WOULD LIKE, I'M SURE, AND SO THAT'S A BIG ADVANTAGE IN MY OPINION.

THE CATCH WITH THAT IS THEY'LL HAVE TO SCHEDULE IT.

IT'S NOT JUST SOMETHING WE CAN JUST LEAVE OUT, BUT THAT'S GOOD.

YOU DID YOUR PROJECT AND NOW YOU'RE LIKE, COME GET THIS JUNK INSTEAD OF IT SITTING AND ROTTING IN THE GARAGE UNTIL WHENEVER I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD.

I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. ONE THING I DO WANT TO MAKE VERY CLEAR, AND I THINK RICHARD DID PRESENT THIS WELL, BUT JUST TO MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT $1 A MONTH FEE IS NOT AN OPT IN.

IF I WANT TO DO IT, AND COUNCILMEMBER JOHNSON, YOU DIDN'T.

IT'S AN ALL OR NOTHING.

SO IT WOULD BE A FEE THAT WOULD BE ASSESSED TO ALL RESIDENTS AND WHETHER THEY USED IT OR THEY DIDN'T USE IT.

SO I WANT TO MAKE MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IT'S NOT AN OPT IN ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS.

SO INSTEAD OF 16.70, IT'S REALLY 17.70 THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TONIGHT.

IT WOULD BE SLIGHTLY MORE THAN THAT IF YOU DID THAT, BECAUSE YOU WOULD STILL HAVE A FRANCHISE FEE ATTACHED TO THE $1 PLUS SALES TAX.

SO YEAH, ACTUALLY ACTUALLY IT WOULD BE RIGHT AT ABOUT $19 WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, IF YOU ADDED IN THE HOUSEHOLD WASTE WITH THE FRANCHISE FEE ADJUSTMENT, SALES TAX WOULD BE ABOUT 19 BUCKS WHEN YOU ADD IN THE SALES TAX TOO THOUGH, RIGHT? YEAH. SO THAT'S WHAT WOULD IT BE IF YOU HAD IF YOU DID THE DOLLAR HOUSEHOLD CHEMICAL, AND RIGHT NOW IT'S 24, AND THAT DOES THAT INCLUDE THE 24 AND SOME CHANGE WITH SALES TAX.

IT'S LIKE IT'S ACTUALLY 26.23 YES.

OKAY. THE HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE.

IS THAT ON A REGULAR BASIS OR IS THAT ON A CALL BASIS OR HOW IS THAT? IT'S ONCE A MONTH AND I BELIEVE I FORGOT WHAT THE ADVANCE TIME THEY HAVE TO CALL IT.

THEY HAVE TO CALL IN ADVANCE, BUT THAT'S CORRECT, AND IT'S THE WAY THE SCHEDULE IS ROTATED.

THEY SERVICE IT ON A SPECIFIC DAY ONCE A WEEK, AND THEN THE WEEK PRIOR THAT YOU ORDER IT.

THEN THEY'LL COME ON THAT DAY, THE NEXT WEEK AND THEY'LL LET YOU KNOW THERE'LL BE A LOT OF COMMUNICATION.

YOU CAN DO IT ONLINE.

YOU CAN MAKE A PHONE CALL.

THAT'S HOW THAT WORKS.

THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION.

CAN YOU MAKE THAT REQUEST ONLINE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO CALL AND WAIT ON HOLD OR TALK TO SOMEBODY.

YOU CAN DO IT ON THE WEBSITE.

SO THEN YOU'LL JUST SAY OKAY NEXT WEEK ON THURSDAY, LEAVE IT OUT AND THEN WE'LL PICK IT UP.

THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY.

THANK YOU. I MEAN, THE ONLY OTHER THING I'LL SAY, AND I'M GOING TO SAY THIS BECAUSE THEY DON'T BUILD GARAGES LIKE THEY SHOULD.

TWO OF THOSE BAD BOYS AREN'T FITTING IN MY GARAGE, AND THAT'S WHAT, TWO CARS IN THERE, AND I CAN BET PROBABLY 80% OF THE HOUSES IN BURLESON, IF YOU DRIVE BY, THE CARS ARE PARKED OUTSIDE BECAUSE THERE'S STUFF IN THE GARAGE.

RICHARD, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THE SCREENING AND THE REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CARTS? YEAH, RIGHT NOW THE ONLY REALLY REQUIREMENTS WE HAVE IS THIS HAS TO BE BEHIND THE BUILDING LINE IS FROM MY UNDERSTANDING.

SO THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY A SPECIFIC HAS TO BE COVERED.

IT JUST HAS TO BE BEHIND THE BUILDING LINE IS ALL THAT WE HAVE IN OUR CODE RIGHT NOW.

SO THERE'S NOT IT'S NOT ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT.

OKAY. SO IT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE BEHIND A FENCE JUST AS LONG AS IT'S BEHIND THE BUILDING.

THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

YES. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SCREENED, PER SE.

RIGHT, I WOULD CAUTION, I MEAN, AT LEAST RIGHT NOW CUT SOME LEEWAY TO PEOPLE FOR SURE TO GET THIS FIGURED OUT.

WELL, AND TO BE CONSIDERED, YOU MIGHT NOT WANT A WEEK'S WORTH OF TRASH ACCUMULATING IN YOUR GARAGE.

YOU MIGHT PREFER THAT TO BE ACCUMULATING OUTSIDE.

I WOULD AGREE, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

YEAH, IT'S STILL A POINT, AND I DID ASK WE DID ASK CODE ABOUT THIS AND THEY SAID THEY REALLY DON'T EVER, YOU KNOW, WITH WITH THE CARTS WE HAVE NOW, THEY DON'T GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT, ABOUT TRASH CANS BEING UP AGAINST THE HOUSE.

IT'S MAINLY IT'S MAINLY LIKE TRASH FROM FLOWING OUT OF THE BAGS.

IT'S MAINLY WHAT THEY GET, BUT NO SCREENING REQUIREMENTS.

JUST BE ON THE BUILDING LINE.

NOW IF LET'S SAY THAT THE LID CLOSES, BUT THE BAG STICKING UP A LITTLE BIT, WHAT'S YOU GUYS GOING TO BE A LITTLE LENIENT ON THAT OR I GUESS IT JUST DEPENDS. THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS IT DEPENDS.

ABSOLUTELY, AND AGAIN IT GOES BACK TO COMMON SENSE.

RIGHT. IF WE GOT A CRACK, IF THE LID IS CRACKED OPEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO FINE ANYONE.

WE'RE GOING TO PICK IT UP.

THE I WOULD SAY IF YOU HAVE LIKE ANY MORE THAN A 45 DEGREE ANGLE.

YEAH. THAT YEAH WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MISS IT.

SKIP IT, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE IF WE DO DUMP IT, THE TRASH IS GOING TO COME OUT RIGHT, AND THEN WE GOT OTHER ISSUES.

NOW IN OTHER CITIES, A CRACK WOULD GIVE YOU A FINE.

WE DON'T DO THAT.

WASTE CONNECTIONS IS WE GO OFF COMMON SENSE.

WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DUMP IT.

THERE ARE TIMES OUR DRIVERS IN OUR CARTED COMMUNITIES WILL STILL DO WHAT THEY CAN EVEN WITH THE WITH THE CAN WITH THE LID WIDE OPEN, BUT THEY'LL TAG THE CART AND LET THE RESIDENT KNOW, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS UNACCEPTABLE.

THE NEXT TIME WE'RE NOT GOING TO PICK IT UP, BUT DRIVERS HAVE WAYS TO GET THROUGH THAT, AND ON AN UNUSUAL COLLECTION, IF WE CALL AHEAD OF TIME, HOW DOES THAT WORK? IF YOU JUST HAVE EXTRA BAGS SITTING NEXT TO IT AND THEY WOULD DUMP THE CART AND PUT IT IN AND DUMP IT AGAIN, HOW DOES THAT WORK?

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UNUSUAL COLLECTION. YES, BASICALLY, BUT BUT ALSO THEY COULD THEY COULD HAVE IT OUTSIDE.

WE YOU KNOW, AN UNUSUAL COLLECTION WOULD BE YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO WAIT TILL MY BULK DAY.

CAN YOU COME OUT HERE BECAUSE I'M TAKING DOWN A BUNCH OF LIMBS IN MY FRONT YARD, AND I JUST I WANT IT GONE.

SO WE'LL SEND A SUPERVISOR OUT.

WE'LL PREPARE, YOU KNOW AN AGREEMENT OF OF A GOOD TIME TO PICK IT UP, AND WE'LL SERVICE THE CUSTOMER THAT WAY.

OKAY. GOOD TO KNOW.

THANK YOU. CAN WE SET UP SOME SORT OF LINKAGE BETWEEN THE CITY'S 311 SERVICE OR THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND THIS SPECIAL PICKUP REQUEST AND HAVE HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE REQUEST SO CITIZENS KNOW HOW TO MAKE THAT.

YEAH. WE DEFINITELY WE COULD DEFINITELY LINK THAT UP THROUGH OUR KNOWLEDGE BASE AND HAVE THAT AVAILABLE.

WE COULD WE WOULD WE'D HAVE TO WORK HAND IN WITH WASTE CONNECTIONS.

IT, BUT WE COULD MAKE THAT LINK HAPPEN INTO WHERE PEOPLE CAN GET TO IT, AND THEN OF COURSE, OUR 3-1-1 TEAM WOULD HAVE THAT IN THEIR KNOWLEDGE BASE TO DIRECT PEOPLE WHERE TO GO. YEAH.

OKAY. EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE.

WE'RE GOOD. SO FOR CLARITY IN TERMS OF STAFFING AND BRINGING BACK THE CONTRACT AMENDMENT AT A LATER DATE, ARE YOU GUYS LOOKING TO INCORPORATE THE HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE INTO THE AGREEMENT? YES. OKAY, AND THEN WITH REGARDS TO THE CURRENT RECYCLING BINS BEING 64 GALLONS OR GOING TO 95 WITH THE RATE OF PROPOSED SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 20 AND 40% AND 40% REDUCTION.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO PURSUE DISCUSSING WITH WASTE CONNECTIONS OR JUST LEAVE AS IS AT 95 GALLONS? I WOULD LOVE FOR THEM TO SHARPEN THEIR PENCIL AND GET TO THAT $0.40.

YEAH, I MEAN, I'VE GOT TWO CANS SIDE BY SIDE IN MY GARAGE RIGHT NOW.

TWO OF THOSE AREN'T GOING TO FIT.

JUST LIKE ADAM, ONE OF THEM IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO OUTDOORS.

MY I WOULD PROBABLY KEEP THE LARGER BLUE BIN INSIDE AND PUT THE SMELLY TRASH BIN OUTSIDE AND KEEP ON GOING.

THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE OVERFILL THE RECYCLE ACTUALLY RARELY EVER OVERFILL THE TRASH, BUT I FREQUENTLY OVERFILL THE RECYCLE.

MY WIFE BUYS 90% OF EVERYTHING WE HAVE AT HOME THROUGH AMAZON, AND EVERY DAMN BIT OF IT COMES IN A BOX.

SO THE BOX GOT TO GO SOMEWHERE.

SO I COULD BENEFIT BY THE 95 SIZE.

I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY ELSE.

I MEAN, I LIKE THE UPSIDES, BUT I'M WITH ADAM ON.

I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE.

YEAH. JUST THINKING ABOUT IT, I WAS LIKE, OKAY, SO NOW I GOT TO PICK UP ALL THESE CARTS AND THEN PUT OUT ALL NEW CART.

YOU KNOW, JUST LOGISTICALLY AND I KNOW YOU GUYS DO IT ALL THE TIME CARTS.

SO I WOULD I WOULD DEFINITELY TAKE THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING A BIGGER CART, BUT THAT'S A LOT.

THEY'RE BIG AND WE ALREADY HAVE THEM.

I THINK THERE'S ADVANTAGES THAT I'D LIKE TO WEIGH BEFORE SAYING ABSOLUTELY TO BIG CARTS, AND THIS IS COMING FROM SOMEBODY WHO FILLS UP TWO CARTS OF RECYCLING BECAUSE EVERYTHING COMES IN A BOX, AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I'LL SAY, AND I'M DONE, MAYOR, IS, IS THAT WE'RE GIVING EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS PER MONTH.

LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S ALMOST A THREE CENT TAX RATE REDUCTION.

I WOULD TRY TO PASS ALONG AS MUCH OF THAT AS WE COULD.

I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER FEES AND THINGS TONIGHT THAT NEED TO HAPPEN, BUT LET'S NOT TRY TO EAT UP ALL OF IT, AT LEAST FOR A FEW YEARS, OR GIVE GIVE EVERYBODY THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT BECAUSE WE'RE KIND OF RIPPING THE BAND-AID OFF ON THIS ONE, RIGHT? WE HAVE TALKED THIS TO DEATH ON OTHER ISSUES OVER AND OVER.

TONIGHT WAS A GOOD CONVERSATION, AND I THINK WE'RE FINALLY GETTING SOME FINALITY ON THIS THING, AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR IT.

SO YOU GOT EVERYTHING YOU NEED, RICHARD? I THINK SO, YES.

OKAY. IF YOU DON'T CALL TOMMY.

OKAY. I'M SURE HE'LL CALL ME.

I THINK WE HAVE DIRECTION, AND WE CAN BRING BACK OPTIONS WHEN WE COME UP WITH AN AMENDMENT TO GIVE MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION ON WHAT THE COST DIFFERENCE WOULD BE ON THOSE RECYCLING CONTAINERS.

OKAY, AND I'D LIKE TO COMMEND WASTE CONNECTIONS.

YOU ALL DO A GOOD JOB.

WE APPRECIATE THE SERVICE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IT'S AN HONOR TO SERVE THE CITY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL.

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THAT BRINGS US TO SECTION SEVEN, GENERAL.

[Items 7.A. & 7.B.]

TONIGHT WE WILL HAVE ONE PRESENTATION FOR SEVEN A AND SEVEN B WITH TWO DIFFERENT MOTIONS.

SEVEN A IS TO CONSIDER AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION OF A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT WITH FREESE AND NICHOLS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND ANALYZE.

I'M SORRY. SORRY.

THERE'S ALL THIS MOVEMENT OF A STREET MAINTENANCE FEE AND SEVEN B IS CONSIDER AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION OF A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH FREESE AND NICHOLS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND ANALYSIS OF STORMWATER UTILITY FEE.

THE STAFF PRESENTER THIS EVENING IS JUSTIN SCHARNHORST, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.

THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING.

MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS FOR STREET AND STORM UTILITY MAINTENANCE FEE DISCUSSION.

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BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, THIS ITEM HAS BEEN BEFORE YOU A COUPLE DIFFERENT TIMES IN CALENDAR YEAR 24.

MOST RECENTLY, AT THE NOVEMBER 18TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING, STAFF WAS DIRECTED TO GO AND DETERMINE THE VIABILITY AND IMPACT OF PREPARING SUCH FEE, AND TO JUST GIVE YOU A ROUGH PERSPECTIVE ON THIS. THE CONTENTS OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE WOULD HAVE, SHOULD THIS ITEM BE APPROVED, IS TARGETED TO TAKE ABOUT 6 TO 9 MONTHS.

I'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT IN JUST A MINUTE.

SO THE STORM WATER UTILITY FEE WOULD BE A DEDICATED FUNDING SOURCE.

IT WOULD BE USED THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.

IT WOULD BE USED FOR ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND CAPITAL PROJECT IMPROVEMENTS.

IT WOULD BE INCLUDED AS A MONTHLY FEE ON THE WATER BILL.

IT WOULD BE AN EXTENSIVE PROGRAM THAT WOULD BE DEVELOPED IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CONSULTANT, AND AGAIN, IT WOULD BE USED FOR ONGOING MAINTENANCE AS OPPOSED TO NEW DEVELOPMENT. THE TAG AT THE BOTTOM, CHAPTER 395, IS USED TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN IMPACT FEES AND MAINTENANCE FEES, AS THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE ITEMS ENTIRELY. FROM THE STREET MAINTENANCE SIDE, IT CANNOT BE USED FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.

IT'S ONLY USED FOR REHABILITATION, AND MAINTENANCE OF THE EXISTING ROADWAY NETWORK.

FREESE AND NICHOLS HAS BEEN SELECTED AND JUST KIND OF A HIGH LEVEL THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT TO KIND OF THE DATA POINTS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT FROM DEVELOPING A PROCEDURE TO GOING THROUGH THE ANALYSIS TO RESEARCH, PARTNERING WITH STAFF FOR THE PUBLIC OUTREACH, ONGOING SUPPORT AND ANALYSIS THAT WOULD GO INTO DETERMINING THE VIABILITY OF THIS PROGRAM, WHICH WOULD COME BACK BEFORE YOU.

FROM A FUNDING PERSPECTIVE.

AT THE LAST MEETING ON NOVEMBER 18TH, THE ORIGINAL COST OF CONVERSATION WAS A LITTLE OVER $400,000.

WE KIND OF WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND PARTNERED WITH FREESE AND NICHOLS AND KIND OF RESCOPE THE CONTRACT.

STAFF HAS INSERTED ITSELF IN TWO PLACES THAT HAVE HELPED KIND OF REDUCE THAT COST.

ONE WAS THE PUBLIC OUTREACH PROCESS, AND THE SECOND IS THE BILLING IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS.

WE KIND OF INSERTED OURSELVES AND HAVE WOULD HAVE FREESE AND NICHOLS SUPPORTING US THROUGH THOSE INITIATIVES.

SO THROUGH THAT ACTION, WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE COST DOWN.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S ECONOMIES OF SCALE.

IF BOTH FEES ARE ADOPTED SIMULTANEOUSLY AS OPPOSED TO ADOPTING THEM INDEPENDENTLY.

LOOKING AT THE LOOKING AT THE GRAPH THERE FROM THE LEFT TO THE RIGHT, THE TOTAL IF BOTH ARE APPROVED, IS 282,100.

STORMWATER UTILITY FEE ALONE WOULD BE 167,400 WITH A $30,000 CONTINGENCY.

THAT WOULD BE USED ON, ON AN HOURLY BASIS.

SAME WITH STREET MAINTENANCE.

WOULD BE ONE 64,900, ABOUT A $50,000 DELTA IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO COSTS INDEPENDENTLY VERSUS WHAT THEY WOULD BE IF THEY WERE ADOPTED TOGETHER.

FROM A FUNDING PERSPECTIVE, $137,000 OF THAT WOULD BE FUNDED THROUGH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

THE ENGINEERING BUDGET, AND THE REMAINDER OF THAT WOULD BE DISCUSSED WITH THE SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS.

CONTRACT SUPPORT.

WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, AND KIND OF JUST RE-DISCUSSED THIS WITH FREESE AND NICHOLS TO TRY TO GET US TO A COMMON PLACE AS DIRECTED.

IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE'VE INSERTED OURSELVES IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PLACES.

WE THINK THAT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO SAVE US MONEY IN THE LONG RUN.

GOING TO BE CHALLENGING TO MAINTAIN THAT TIME FRAME, BUT WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH DOING THAT WITH THE CONTINGENCY THAT'S BUILT IN THERE TO HAVE FREESE AND NICHOLS COME IN TO SUPPORT STAFF IN THE EVENT THAT WE DO NEED IT TO HELP ELEVATE THOSE TWO PROCESSES WHERE WE'VE INSERTED OURSELVES.

SO THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, IF THIS IS APPROVED, WE CAN BEGIN HAVING DISCUSSIONS AS SOON AS THE MIDDLE THE END OF THIS MONTH.

WE WOULD BE TARGETING THE NEXT FINANCE COUNCIL COMMITTEE TO BRING BRING A BRIEFING TO PUBLIC OUTREACH WOULD SOON FOLLOW THAT PROCESS.

THE FEE STRUCTURE AND IMPACT ASSESSMENT IN TOTAL IS A PROJECT WOULD BE ANTICIPATED IF WE STARTED IN THE MONTH OF JANUARY TO BE COMPLETED SOMETIME IN THE MONTH BETWEEN JUNE AND SEPTEMBER, SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION DURING BUDGET DISCUSSIONS FROM THE SPRING TO THE SUMMER.

SO THERE'S THREE OPTIONS BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.

TO ADOPT THE STORMWATER UTILITY FEE OR THE STREET MAINTENANCE FEE INDEPENDENTLY, OR TO ADOPT THEM BOTH.

DIFFERENT FEES ASSOCIATED WITH EACH ONE OF THOSE.

I DID WANT TO PUT AN ASTERISKS AT THE END THAT WHATEVER COUNCIL'S RECOMMENDATION, WHATEVER WE DECIDE TO DO TONIGHT, TO JUST BE VERY SPECIFIC WITH THAT, THE ACTION THAT YOU GIVE US TONIGHT IS GOING TO DICTATE HOW WE WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY, TO SPECIFICALLY DRAFT THAT FINAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AGREEMENT.

I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, JUST FOR JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION ON THIS.

THE COUNCIL ACTUALLY WON'T BE ADOPTING ANY FEES TONIGHT.

CORRECT. SIMPLY ADOPTING APPROVAL OF THE STUDIES FOR DETERMINING WHAT THOSE FEES WOULD BE.

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YES, SIR. ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS. JUST THANK YOU, JUSTIN, FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

APPRECIATE IT. YES, SIR.

THANK YOU. BECAUSE I'M ALL ABOUT ROADS.

NOT NEW ONES, BUT THE OLD ONES.

OKAY. WE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE FEE BEING LEGAL BECAUSE OF SAN ANTONIO OR SOMEPLACE LIKE WE WERE ASSURED THAT WE'RE ON THE LEGAL PATH OF THIS AND NO REPERCUSSIONS.

RIGHT? SO I'M NOT THE CITY ATTORNEY, BUT LET ME SAY THIS IS THAT WE NEVER KNOW WHAT THE LEGISLATURE WILL DO IN THE FUTURE.

SO I THINK I'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO BE VERY CLEAR WITH REGARDS TO FEES ARE ALWAYS SUBJECT TO CHANGE.

THE LEGALITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THEM ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE.

I BELIEVE THE CASE YOU'RE REFERRING TO MAYOR IS ANOTHER CITY, EL PASO, AND THERE WAS A THAT CASE WAS NOT ABOUT PROPORTIONALITY, AND SO THOSE FUNDS WERE BEING UTILIZED AND THEY WEREN'T FOR STREET MAINTENANCE. THAT IS CORRECT.

THE CITY MANAGER'S CORRECTLY SUMMED UP WHAT HAPPENED IN THE EL PASO CASE.

YOU MAY RECALL WE DID A BRIEFING ON IT.

IT WAS HOW THE MONEY WAS BEING SPENT AFTER IT HAD BEEN COLLECTED AND IT WAS NOT BEING USED FOR THE DESIGNATED PURPOSE.

SO THE COURT STRUCK IT, BUT THEY DID NOT ATTACK THE VALIDITY OF THE FEE ITSELF IF IT HAD BEEN PROPERLY USED, AND MR. LUDWIG IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT WHEN THE LEGISLATURE IS IN SESSION, HEAVEN HELP US.

WE SIMPLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY MIGHT DO TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT AUTHORITY OR DISCRETION BY THE CLOSE OF THE SESSION, BUT BASED ON THE CURRENT LAW AS IT EXISTS TODAY, THESE FEES WOULD BE LEGALLY PERMISSIBLE AND COULD BE ENFORCEABLE.

PRESUMING THE MONEY IS PROPERLY USED, AS THE COUNCIL WOULD INTEND IT TO BE USED.

SOUNDS GOOD. ANYBODY GOT ANY QUESTIONS? I AGREE WITH GOING FORWARD ON THIS, BUT YOU CAN'T.

YOU CAN'T SHUT DOWN BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU THINK SOMEONE MIGHT DO.

WE GOT TO MOVE FORWARD ON IT.

IS THERE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THIS? I WASN'T HAPPY WITH IT AT 408,000, BUT I THINK TAKING OUT THE AND I KNOW THE BULK OF THAT IS THEM DOING THE OUTREACH BUT REALLY WE JUST WANTED SOMETHING IN OUR BACK POCKET THAT WE CAN HAVE THERE IN THE FUTURE, AND THIS WILL AT LEAST GIVE US A FOUNDATION.

SO I WOULD I WOULD VOTE TO DO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO COMBINE THEM TOGETHER TO GET THE COST SAVINGS.

I AGREE WITH THE COST SAVINGS.

I TOO WAS VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE INITIAL PROJECTED WHAT WE THOUGHT THAT MIGHT COST, BUT WE CAN'T MAKE DECISIONS WITHOUT INFORMATION, AND THIS WILL GIVE US THAT FOUNDATION OF INFORMATION TO MOVE FORWARD, AND THE MORE INFORMATION, THE SMARTER WE CAN MAKE DECISIONS BASED OFF OF ANYBODY ELSE.

ARE YOU GOOD? I BELIEVE WE'RE READY.

IS THERE A MOTION ON SEVEN A? MOVE TO APPROVE. WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE $282,100.

COMBINE THEM BOTH.

I'LL SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY ADAM, A SECOND BY DAN.

PLEASE VOTE.

PASSES UNANIMOUS.

DO I HAVE A MOTION ON SEVEN B.

IS THAT GOOD, AMANDA? OKAY.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY ALEXA.

PLEASE VOTE. PASSES UNANIMOUS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THAT BRINGS US TO SEVEN C.

[7.C. Consider and take possible action of a 12-month sole source purchasing agreement with Asterra USA for water and wastewater leak detection in the amount of $73,500.00. (Staff Contact: Errick Thompson, Director of Public Works) ]

CONSIDER AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION OF A 12 MONTH SOLE SOURCE PURCHASING AGREEMENT WITH ASTERRA USA FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER LEAK DETENTION IN THE AMOUNT OF 73,500.

THE STAFF PRESENTED THIS EVENING IS ERIC THOMPSON, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, MR. THOMPSON. THANK YOU, MISS CAMPOS, AND GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU ALL.

I'VE GOT A RELATIVELY SHORT PRESENTATION FOR YOU TONIGHT ABOUT BASICALLY SOME NEW TECHNOLOGY WE'RE TRYING TO ADD TO OUR TOOLKIT WHEN IT COMES TO DISCOVERING POTENTIAL LEAKS IN OUR WATER SYSTEM.

SO VERY WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROJECT AS PROPOSED AND THEN GET TO A RECOMMENDATION.

SO BURLESON HAS OVER 223 MILES OF WATER MAINS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AND ABOUT THE SAME A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE.

SO LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, AS THESE ASSETS BECOME OLDER, THEY BECOME A LITTLE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO LEAKS, AND THOSE LEAKS CAN COST US MONEY BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO PAY FORT WORTH FOR ALL THE WATER THAT THEY DELIVER TO US, AND SO THE EARLIER WE CAN FIND LEAKS, THE BETTER.

THE SMALLER THE BETTER.

WE LOOK BACK AT LAST FISCAL YEAR AND STAFF RESPONDED TO, YOU KNOW, ALMOST 90 WATER LEAKS ACROSS THE CITY, AND THEN THERE WERE 21

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WASTEWATER REPAIRS ACROSS THE CITY.

THOSE WEREN'T NECESSARILY LEAKS, BUT REPAIRS OF WASTEWATER LINES.