[A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding proposals received for 295 & 555 East Hidden Creek Parkway. (Staff Presenter: Alex Philips, Economic Development Director)]

REPORTS AND PRESENTATIONS.

SO 2A IS TO RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION AND GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING PROPOSALS RECEIVED FOR TWO NINETY FIVE AND FIVE FIVE FIVE EAST HIDDEN CREEK PARKWAY.

THE STAFF PRESENTER THIS MORNING IS ALEX PHILLIPS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, MR. PHILLIPS. THANK YOU, MR. CAMPOS.

GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.

I'M HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU HIDDEN CREEK GOLF COURSE, THE RFP THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT HIDDEN CREEK GOLF COURSE A FEW DIFFERENT TIMES AS LATE AS JANUARY IN 2020, ALONG WITH IN MARCH OF 2020.

CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF AT THAT TIME TO PURSUE AN RFP FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE COURSE WITHOUT DISRUPTING THE COURSE.

SO REALLY, JUST TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT ON HIDDEN CREEK PARKWAY.

THE RFP, WE DELAYED IT BECAUSE OF THE COVID 19 CONCERNS UNTIL 2021 WE DID CONTRACT WITH MERRIMAN ANDERSON ARCHITECTS IN JANUARY OF TWENTY ONE, JANUARY OF TWENTY ONE TO KIND OF PUT TOGETHER A CONCEPTUAL DRAWING THAT WE WERE ALL HAPPY WITH.

THE AREA IDENTIFIED AS, LIKE I SAID, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE HIDDEN CREEK FRONTAGE AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY TWENTY FIVE ACRES.

IT DOES INCLUDE THE HIDDEN CREEK SOFTBALL COMPLEX THAT CAN BE RELOCATED IF THE AREA DOES REDEVELOP. THE SOFTBALL COMPLEX IS DEDICATED PARK LAND, SO TO TAKE IT OUT OF THAT, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO TO AN ELECTION FOR THAT TO BE NOT DEDICATED PARK LAND.

THE RFP DID CALL FOR A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT TO INCLUDE A LOT OF DIFFERENT ASSET CLASSES HOSPITALITY, FAMILY, ENTERTAINMENT, OFFICE SPACE, MULTIFAMILY HOUSING AND RETAIL RESTAURANTS. SO THIS IS KIND OF THE THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN THAT WE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL BEFORE THE RFP WENT OUT.

IT HAS OVER 70 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF CLASS-A OFFICE SPACE.

ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF NEW RETAIL RESTAURANT SPACE, HOTEL CONFERENCE CENTER. SOME RESIDENTIAL UNITS, FAMILY ENTERTAINMENT SPACE WAS IDENTIFIED AND HAS OVER A THOUSAND PARKING SPACES.

AGAIN, THIS WAS JUST A CONCEPTUAL TO PUT INTO THE RFP.

SOME OF THE CONCEPTUAL FEATURES LARGE GREEN SPACE FOR EVENTS, LANDSCAPED PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS, THE HOTEL CONFERENCE CENTER, LARGE OPEN SPACES, PAVEMENT AND LIGHTING TREATMENTS THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.

CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO RELEASE THE THE RFP FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF HIDDEN CREEK SOFTBALL COMPLEX AND THE PORTIONS OF THE GOLF COURSE ON FEBRUARY 22ND OF THIS YEAR.

THAT RFP WAS RELEASED ON MARCH 15TH AND WAS CLOSED ON AUGUST 12TH OF THIS YEAR.

WE DID RECEIVE TWO SUBMISSIONS ONE FROM JACKSON SHAW AND THE OTHER FROM J STREET PROPERTIES. JACKSON SHAW, ONE OF THE SUBMISSIONS THAT WE DID RECEIVE.

THEY'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR FORTY NINE YEARS.

THEY HAVE DEVELOPED ALL THE ASSET CLASSES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE RFP, FROM INDUSTRIAL TO RESIDENTIAL AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN.

THEY SUBMITTED CONCEPTUAL THAT IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE RFP.

THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES HOSPITALITY, MULTIFAMILY, RETAIL, RESTAURANT, OFFICE AND SOME ENTERTAINMENT. J STREET COMPANIES WAS THE OTHER SUBMISSION.

THEY THEY HAVE DEVELOPED INDUSTRIAL, RETAIL, HOSPITALITY AND SOME RESIDENTIAL.

THEY DID PROPOSE TO HOTEL SITES, MULTIFAMILY RETAIL, RESTAURANT OFFICE AND SOME ENTERTAINMENT USERS HAVE IT OVER ONE HUNDRED EIGHT HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF MIXED USE. THEY ALSO HAD PRESENTED AN ENTERTAINMENT USER PROPOSED TO ADD THE CURRENT USED IN THE CURRENT PRACTICE RANGE, WITH A USER SIMILAR TO TOP GOLF.

SO JUST KIND OF REMIND EVERYBODY.

THE RFP SCORING THAT WE PRESENTED WAS REAL HEAVY ON PROJECT VISION DEVELOPMENT SCENARIO AND EXPERIENCE WAS THE TOP TWO SCORING.

WE DID INTERVIEW BOTH SUBMISSIONS ON SEPTEMBER 13TH OF THIS YEAR.

WE SCORED EACH PROPOSAL AFTER THE INTERVIEWS AND STAFF WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE CMO PLANNING DEVELOPMENT TEAM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

SOME PEOPLE FROM ENGINEERING, PARKS AND REC AND PURCHASING.

THE SCORING BROKE OUT JACKSON SHAW EIGHTY FIVE POINT SEVEN AND J STREET PROPERTIES AT SEVENTY ONE POINT SEVEN.

JACKSON SHAW PRESENTED GREAT CONCEPTUAL BUT ALSO WANTS TO WORK ALONGSIDE OUR TEAM, CITIZENS AND CITY COUNCIL TO PRODUCE A GREAT DEVELOPMENT.

THEY HAVE EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE ENGAGING THE PUBLIC FOR INPUT TO PRODUCE GREAT DEVELOPMENTS ACROSS NOT JUST OUR REGION BUT ACROSS THE U.S..

THE TEAM THAT JACKSON SHAW HAS PUT TOGETHER, PROJECT, HAS EXTENSIVE KNOWLEDGE WITH OUR WITH DEVELOPMENT AND MARKET TRENDS AND ALSO OUR CITY AS WELL.

THEIR ENGAGEMENT WITH THE PUBLIC WAS A BIG THING FOR US TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO OUR STAKEHOLDERS, TALK TO.

DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE AROUND THE AREA TO GET THEIR ENGAGEMENT, TO GET THEIR

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CONCERNS, TO GET THEIR IDEAS AND TRY TO PUT IT INTO A DEVELOPMENT THAT WE COULD ALL BE PROUD OF. SO AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE ZACH MCGUIRE WITH JACKSON SHAW TO KIND OF COME GO THROUGH SOME OF THE NEXT SLIDES.

GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROPOSE ON THIS IMMENSE DEVELOPMENT, AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS MORNING AND LISTENING TO ME.

SO JACKSON SHAW, AS ALEX, SAID, WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR FORTY NINE YEARS.

EVERY ASSET CLASS WE HAVE BUILT ALL OVER THE NATION.

OUR ORIGINAL OWNER IS 78 YEARS OLD.

HE IS STILL COMING IN DAY TO DAY.

HE STILL HAS THE VISION AND HE'S A VERY ECCENTRIC INDIVIDUAL AND LOVES DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S NOT ABOUT THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR WITH HIM, IT IS ABOUT COMMUNITY AND IT IS ABOUT OUR INVOLVEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY.

WE'VE DONE OVER TWO POINT SIX BILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF TRANSACTIONS ACROSS ALL ASSETS, ALL ASSET CLASSES, SIXTY TWO MILLION SQUARE FEET, NINE POINT FIVE OF THAT IS IN INDUSTRIAL. AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, INDUSTRIAL IS A HOT COMMODITY RIGHT NOW, SO WE'VE GOT ABOUT EIGHT MILLION SQUARE FEET IN THE PIPELINE OF INDUSTRIAL ACROSS TEXAS ALONE.

AND THEN WE HAVE DEVELOPED TWENTY ONE HOTELS ACROSS THE NATION, AND WE CURRENTLY OWN AND OPERATE FOUR, INCLUDING ONE HOTEL DOWNTOWN FORT WORTH, OFF OF FIFTH AND MAIN, THE NEW AC.

SO THAT IS OUR EXPERIENCE.

TO ALEX'S POINT, WE HAVE ASSEMBLED A PHENOMENAL TEAM.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU GUYS ARE AT THE TOP OF THIS.

WE'RE NOT ONE OF THOSE DEVELOPERS THAT COMES IN AND TELLS YOU, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. THAT'S NOT HOW WE OPERATE.

IF WE CAME IN AND DID THAT, COMMUNITY WOULDN'T BE HAPPY.

YOU GUYS WOULDN'T BE HAPPY.

THERE'S ANIMOSITY.

SO YOU GUYS ARE AT THE TOP OF THIS TEAM, THEN IT'S GOING TO BE RIDGEMONT, WHO IS ONE OF OUR PREMIER GENERAL CONTRACTORS FOR ALL OF OUR ASSET CLASSES AS WELL OFFICE, RETAIL AND INDUSTRIAL. THEY'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR FORTY FIVE YEARS LOCALLY IN IRVING, BUT THEY PERFORM CONSTRUCTION ALL ACROSS THE STATE.

DUNAWAY, WHO Y'ALL PROBABLY KNOW AND WORKED DIRECTLY WITH, IS A CIVIL AND STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, AND THEY ALSO HAVE PROJECT MANAGEMENT SIDE.

TARRANT CONSTRUCTION SMALLER, MORE NIMBLE, GENERAL CONTRACTOR WHO HAS A LOT OF HOSPITALITY FROM A GOLF GOLF RESORT TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION.

AND THEN BBP IS AN ARCHITECT.

THEY HAVE GREAT VISION AND A LOT OF ENTERTAINMENT, AND I'LL ACTUALLY BRING SAM UP TO SPEAK MORE ELOQUENTLY ABOUT OUR VISION HERE IN A LITTLE BIT.

AND THEN BHP IS A MEP ENGINEER.

SO AS ALEX SAID, YOU KNOW, WE WE TOOK THE CONCEPT THAT MERRIMAN KIND OF GAVE YOU GUYS AND QUITE FRANKLY, DIDN'T WANT TO CHANGE ANYTHING BECAUSE AS YOU'LL SEE LATER IN MY PRESENTATION, I CAN'T PROMISE ANYTHING.

I'M NOT GOING TO PROMISE ANYTHING RIGHT? BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED DURING COVID CHANGED, HOW RETAIL IS VIEWED, CHANGE HOW ENTERTAINMENTS VIEWED, IT CHANGED HOW SOME OF THESE ASSET CLASSES ARE VIEWED.

SO WE HAVE A PROCESS OF VETTING ALL OF THOSE ASSET CLASSES BEFORE WE SIT HERE AND AND TELL YOU, THIS IS WHAT WE THINK WE NEED TO DO, AND THAT INVOLVES COMMUNITY THAT INVOLVES FEEDBACK FROM YOU GUYS AND COLLECTIVELY GOING TO GOING FORWARD ONCE THE CONCEPT IS REACHED. WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE SOUTH PARCEL.

SO KIND OF THE JUG HANDLE RIGHT THERE AT HIDDEN CREEK, THE MAIN ACCESS, AND WE'LL SPEAK TO MORE OF THAT A LITTLE LATER AS FAR AS OUR POTENTIAL CONCEPTS THERE.

SO AT THIS TIME, I'LL BRING UP SAMANTHA WITH BBP TO KIND OF ELOQUENTLY SPEAK TO OUR CONCEPTS. GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY.

FIRST OF ALL, I SAY WE'RE ACTUALLY JUST BP NOW.

WE CHANGED OUR NAME JUST RECENTLY, SO WE'RE BENNETT PARTNERS.

WE'RE STILL THE SAME, BASICALLY.

AND WE WORKED WITH YOU GUYS ON THE PLAZA OUT HERE.

WE WERE THE ARCHITECTS FOR ALL OF THE STRUCTURES OUT ON THE PLAZA.

SO WE ALREADY HAVE, YOU KNOW, A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WORKING WITH THE CITY.

AND ALSO, DUNAWAY WAS PART OF THAT AS WELL.

WHEN LOOKING AT BOTH THE MASTERPLAN AND ALSO THAT SOUTH PORTION TO AND OUR EXPERIENCE OF RECENT WITH COVID AND HOW THAT'S MADE A DIFFERENCE TOWARDS ENTERTAINMENT AND RESTAURANTS IS OUTDOOR SPACES, THOSE COMMUNITY SPACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN GATHER AND FEEL SAFE, BUT, YOU KNOW, ARE ABLE TO BE ENTERTAINED TO EAT AND DRINK AND TO SOCIALIZE WITH EACH OTHER.

SO WHAT WE WHEN WE LOOKED AT FOR BURLESON WITH THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU HAVE HERE AND WITH THE HISTORY, WITH THE WORKING WITH YOU GUYS IN DOWNTOWN AND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO HAVE THOSE OUTDOOR VENUES, WE KIND OF THE THE IMAGERY THAT YOU SEE IS KIND OF ALLOWING THAT IS HAVING THE BUILDINGS AS A BACKDROP.

AS UNITY, BUT HAVING THOSE SPACES OUTSIDE, BEING REALLY CONNECTED WITH THE INSIDE, OUTSIDE

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SPACE AND THE ABILITY FOR DIFFERENT POCKETS TO HAVE DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS.

HOW DO I MOVE THAT? OK, THANK YOU.

THIS ACTUALLY IS ONE OF OUR PROJECTS WE'VE WORKED IN THE STOCKYARDS IN FORT WORTH.

OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S A VERY SENSITIVE AREA.

AND WE ARE INVOLVED WITH THE ADAPTIVE USE AND THE SORT OF RE-ENVISIONING OF THE STOCKYARDS. AND THIS IS THE [INAUDIBLE] WHICH IS NOW BRANDED AS MULE ALLEY.

THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING UNFORTUNATELY HAD SOME SERIOUS DAMAGE FROM FIRE, SO WE WERE ALLOWED TO COME BACK IN AND DO A NEW STRUCTURE FOR THE ROOF AND ALLOWED TO HAVE THE OUTDOOR PATIO AREAS.

WE ENVISION THE SPACE TOWARDS THE MARINE CREEK, WHICH IS AN UNDERUTILIZED AMENITY FOR THE CITY. I THINK JUST LET'S GO BACK TO YOU.

I WAS GOING TO GO BACK. BACK UP JUST TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SOUTH PART PARCEL.

THIS WAS KIND OF LIKE A MINI VERSION OF WHAT'S GOING ON ACROSS THE STREET WITH THE WITH THE BIGGER DEVELOPMENT WHERE WE WERE LOOKING AT FLEX SPACE, BEING ABLE TO HAVE THAT SORT OF SMALL GROWTH BUSINESSES THAT HAS GOT QUITE POPULAR AT THE MOMENT.

AND OBVIOUSLY COVID'S KIND OF SORT OF PUSHED THAT A LITTLE BIT SO THAT PEOPLE HAVE SPACES WHERE THEY CAN HAVE THEIR BUSINESS, START THEIR BUSINESSES AND GROW, BUT HAVE A CONNECTION WITH OTHER SMALLER BUSINESSES AND THEN HAVE OUTDOOR RESTAURANT SPACE.

THAT'S BOTH COVERED BECAUSE WE ARE IN TEXAS AND IT IS PRETTY HOT AND THEN IT CAN BE PRETTY WET AND HORRIBLE TOO, TO HAVE THAT AND JUST TO HAVE A REAL COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACE THAT'S KIND OF A SORT OF A BABY SORT OF SISTER TO THE TO THE BIGGER DEVELOPMENT.

SO I'M GOING TO HAND IT BACK TO YOU.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. SO ONE OF THE I GUESS CONCERNS INITIALLY FOR YOU GUYS, WHEN I BELIEVE Y 'ALL LOOKED AT THIS PREVIOUSLY WAS KIND OF THE GOLF COURSE AND REALLY WANTING TO KEEP THE FILL OF THE GOLF COURSE AND NOT GET RID OF THE GOLF COURSE.

SO WHAT WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN VERY COGNIZANT OF IS HOW DO WE ENGAGE THAT THE GOLF COURSE INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT AND NOT JUST BE AN AFTERTHOUGHT.

SO WE KNOW OUR COMPETITOR, YOU KNOW, DID TOP GOLF.

EVERYBODY LOVES GOING TO TOP GOLF.

BUT THE REALITY IS IT'S HUGE POLES.

IT'S IT'S A BIG NET.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THAT.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT HAVING SOMETHING RIGHT OFF THE HIGHWAY.

WE WANT MORE KIND OF INVOLVEMENT AND ENGAGE AND OVERLOOK A PATIO SETTING OR SOMETHING OF THE GOLF COURSE.

AND WE ARE GOING TO ENGAGE IT IF WE DO SOME GOLF SIMULATORS IN A BAR SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE AT DAVE AND BUSTER'S AND THOSE THINGS.

I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE GOING TO DO DAVE AND BUSTERS.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF THE GOLF SIMULATORS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO POTENTIALLY ENGAGE TO ALSO GET THAT GOLF FEEL IN THE DEVELOPMENT.

AGAIN, THESE ARE MORE INSPIRATIONAL PHOTOS.

AGAIN, JUST COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, BIG GREEN AREAS.

WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, DUNAWAY'S GOT A GREAT LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURAL FIRM WHERE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, HAVE FIRE PITS, HAVE WALKABILITY.

AND WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO TRY TO DO IS KEEP EVERYTHING CENTRALIZED.

SO THE PARKING IS GOING TO BE PREDOMINANTLY ON THE PERIMETER.

SO IT'S REALLY WALKABLE.

SO. ALL RIGHT, HERE'S THE DOLLARS AND CENTS.

SO THIS IS THE FUN PART THAT YOU GUYS PROBABLY LIKE.

FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY THESE ARE CONCEPTUAL AT THIS POINT.

MR. MCCLENDON PROBABLY KNOWS THIS BETTER THAN ANYBODY.

CONSTRUCTION COST IS VERY VOLATILE RIGHT NOW, SO THESE ARE TODAY'S DOLLARS AT THE CURRENT ASSET CLASSES THAT WE FORESEE THE COST BEING.

THIS WILL CHANGE BECAUSE OUR CONCEPTS WILL CHANGE, OUR PLANS WILL CHANGE.

OUR SQUARE FOOTAGES WILL CHANGE, OUR ASSET CLASSES WILL CHANGE.

BUT THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE CURRENT LAYOUT IS THAT MERRIMAN PUT TOGETHER OF WHAT THOSE COSTS COULD BE.

BY THE WAY, THIS IS INTERACTIVE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THESE SLIDES WHILE WE'RE ON THEM, FEEL FREE TO JUST LOB THEM OUT.

THIS RIGHT HERE IS GOING TO BE YOUR TAXABLE VALUE.

SAME THING HERE. VERY CONCEPTUAL WE HAVE RECENTLY DONE BOVS ON SOME MULTIFAMILY AND HOTEL, SO WE HAVE THESE DIRECTLY AND SOME OFFICE AND CORE.

SO THIS IS JUST YOUR PROPERTY TAX PROJECTIONS ON A PER ANNUM BASIS.

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR SALES TAX REVENUE BASED ON THE DIFFERENT ASSET CLASSES.

OBVIOUSLY, AS Y'ALL KNOW, THERE'S A HOTEL TAX, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE RETAIL TAX ON GOODS SOLD SO THAT THAT IS PROBABLY THE BARE MINIMUM AT THIS POINT ON A PER ANNUM BASIS. ALL RIGHT.

SO WE DO PRIDE OURSELVES AS ALEX SAID IN COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, WE REALLY TRY TO BE PARTNERS WITH THE CITY STAFF, THE CITY ELECTED OFFICIALS, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND AND THE

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HOAS. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY BARBECUES I'VE BEEN TO.

I'M ACTUALLY WORKING THROUGH THREE ZONING CASES RIGHT NOW IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, AND WE HAVE ADJACENCY TO RESIDENTIAL.

SO WE WE KNOW HOW TO ENGAGE THEM.

WE GET WITH THAT PARTICULAR COUNCIL MEMBER.

WE GO TO THE BARBECUE, WE GO TO THE HOA MEETINGS.

THAT'S JUST WHO WE ARE.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE THE BIG BAD DEVELOPER, LIKE I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, AND THAT'S WITH YOU GUYS. WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO RELY HEAVILY ON SOME OF YOU GUYS WITH YOUR EXISTING RELATIONSHIPS AND WITH YOUR TENURE HERE IN THE COMMUNITY AS TO WHAT DIRECTION AND WHO WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO.

SO AGAIN, HOA COMMUNITY TOWN HALL MEETINGS, SOCIAL MEETINGS.

WE ACTUALLY ARE MEETING IN TWO WEEKS WITH A WITH REBECCA, WHO IS A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PERSON IN FORT WORTH.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO HIRE SOMEBODY TO HELP US AS WELL ALONG WITH YOU GUYS.

AND THEN THESE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES THAT WE'VE DONE.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH CASCADES AT THE COLONY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 121 ACROSS FROM NEBRASKA FURNITURE NEBRASKA FURNITURE MART, WE HAD A THREE P WITH THE CITY OF THE COLONY, ALL ASSET CLASSES FROM RETAIL, HOSPITALITY, FLEX OFFICE SPACE AND THEN RESTAURANTS, AND THEN THE SINGLE FAMILY ON THE BACK SIDE THERE.

AND THEN ANOTHER EXAMPLE BRICKYARD IN UP IN MARYLAND, REPRESENTING ALL ASSET CLASSES, AND THAT WAS A THREE P AS WELL.

SO THIS PROCESS, THE NEXT PROCESS AFTER COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS GOING TO BE OUR FEASIBILITY, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE MOST IMPORTANT IS THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOUR CITIZENS WANT, WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE AND TRYING TO FULFILL THOSE WHILE ALSO MONETARILY AND TAX REVENUE WISE MEETING Y'ALLS NEEDS AND Y'ALLS PROJECTIONS ON ROOFTOP VERSUS RETAIL COMMERCIAL. SO BASICALLY, WE'RE GOING TO AGAIN RELY HEAVILY ON YOU GUYS DURING THIS PROCESS AS WELL. BUT WE HIRE THIRD PARTY CONSULTANTS TO DO FEASIBILITY ON HOSPITALITY OFFICE, AND THAT'S GOING TO HELP US DETERMINE.

AND THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME OVERLAP WITH THE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AND THE FEASIBILITY, RIGHT? SO ONCE WHILE WE'RE DOING THE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AND GETTING THAT FEEDBACK AND TALKING TO YOU GUYS, WE'RE GOING TO BE ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE DOING FEASIBILITY STUDIES ON WHAT THOSE NEEDS AND WANTS ARE TO SEE IF THE DOLLARS AND CENTS ACTUALLY WORK OUT AND THEN WE'LL COME UP WITH A PHASING PLAN.

IT'S TWENTY FIVE ACRES ON THE NORTH, ROUGHLY 12 ACRES ON THE SOUTH.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PHASE IT.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO COME IN AND BUILD EVERY ASSET AT THE FIRST.

AT THE VERY BEGINNING THAT'S GOING TO COME, THAT'S GOING TO BE DETERMINED.

PHASING IS GOING TO BE DETERMINED BASED ON THE FEASIBILITY STUDIES THAT WE DO AND THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, OUTREACH BECAUSE, LIKE ALEX SAID, THE SOFTBALL FIELDS, THAT MAY BE SOME CONTENTION.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO MAYBE WE DON'T START THERE.

MAYBE WE START ON THE JUG HANDLE ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND REALLY GET THE COMMUNITY ENGAGED AND INVOLVED AND SEEING THE VISION AT THAT POINT TO, OH, MAYBE THE NORTH SIDE COULD BE SOMETHING. SO THAT'S WHAT WE PLAN ON DOING.

AND THEN, YEAH, WE FOLLOW ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS, YOU GUYS, THE COMMUNITY AND TO FIND THE MONETARY BENEFIT, THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT TO WHERE I KNOW IT SOUNDS CLICHÉ, BUT TRY TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.

SO I GUESS THIS IS YOURS.

THANKS ZACH AND SAMANTHA.

SO WHY DOES THE STAFF WANT TO RECOMMEND JACKSON SHAW? FIRST AND FOREMOST, THEIR EXTENSIVE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT OF THE STAKEHOLDERS AND COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE'VE SEEN ON NUMEROUS PROJECTS IN THE DFW AREA AND FOR THEM TO BRING THAT KIND OF THE TEAM APPROACH TO OUR COMMUNITY WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT AND BEING SERIOUSLY COMMUNITY PARTNERS WITH US, I THINK IS A BIG DRIVER OF WHY WE WANTED TO RECOMMEND JACKSON SHAW.

THEY'VE DEVELOPED ALL THE ASSET CLASSES THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR IN THE RFP SUCCESSFULLY IN OUR REGION AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

AND JUST BEING EXTREMELY KNOWLEDGEABLE IN ALL THOSE ASSET CLASSES FROM A FEASIBILITY STANDPOINT AND HAVING THOSE CONSULTANTS THAT PRODUCE THOSE FEASIBILITY STUDIES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, TOP OF IN THEIR INDUSTRY STANDARDS.

SO KIND OF THE NEXT STEPS, IF YOU KNOW, GIVE US DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH JACKSON SHAW WOULD BE WE WOULD START NEGOTIATING AN AGREEMENT WITH JACKSON SHAW AND WE WOULD TARGET MARCH APRIL END OF FIRST QUARTER OF NEXT YEAR TO BRING BACK TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL, THEN APRIL THROUGH NOVEMBER.

JACKSON SHAW WILL START WORKING ON THE FEASIBILITY STUDIES AS WELL AS KICK OFF THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

THAT WOULD INCLUDE SOME OF THE FOLLOWING YOU KNOW, THEY COULD BE HOLDING THE DESIGN CHARRETTE, PUBLIC SURVEY THAT WE COULD PUT OUT TOWN HALL MEETINGS TO TALK ABOUT THIS

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PROJECT AND DEVELOPMENT.

NEW PROJECT PLAN AND PHASING TO PRESENT BE PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL AND DEVELOPMENT AND PROBABLY LATE NEXT YEAR.

AFTER ALL, THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND FEASIBILITY STUDIES ARE COMPLETE, SO IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG PROCESS, A PATIENT PROCESS.

BUT I THINK IT'S A TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE NEED TO TAKE OUR TIME WITH AND TAKE BABY STEPS WITH THIS AND MOVE FORWARD.

SO TODAY WE'RE JUST ASKING YOU GUYS TO GIVE US DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD IN WORKING WITH JACKSON SHAW TO BRING BACK AN AGREEMENT FOR Y'ALL TO LOOK AT AND TAKE ACTION ON LATE FIRST QUARTER OF NEXT YEAR.

SO HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, I KNOW ZACH AND HIS TEAM IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL. WHAT WILL THE COST BE TO DO THE STUDIES? SO ALL THE STUDIES ARE GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, DEPENDING ON THE ASSET CLASSES, BUT THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WE WE START ENGAGING WITH JACKSON SHAW TO MAYBE WE DO A COST SHARING WITH THOSE GUYS OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT ANY OF THAT STUFF, IF WE DO IT, COST SHARING, IT WOULD BE BROUGHT BACK FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER FOR US TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION IF COUNCIL WANTS US TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION.

BRYAN MAY HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT.

I THINK, WE DON'T KNOW THE EXACT AMOUNTS JUST YET.

IT'LL VARY BASED ON ASSET CLASSES.

MAYBE ZACH CAN PROVIDE A LITTLE COLOR TO THAT, BUT THAT'S THE IDEA IS TO BRING THAT BACK TO YOU THE FIRST QUARTER WITH SOME TYPE OF AGREEMENT THAT SAYS, HERE'S THE ESTIMATED COST AND HOW WE WOULD SHARE COST ON IT GOING FORWARD.

I THINK THE THING WE WANTED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WITH JACKSON SHAW IS THAT IT'S A PROCESS, AND AT SOME POINT THE COUNCIL COULD DECIDE THAT YOU DO WANT TO PROCEED AND DO THE DEVELOPMENT, OR YOU COULD DECIDE THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

AND IF THE DEVELOPER IS SPENDING SIGNIFICANT DOLLARS ON DOING THESE STUDIES, WE FELT LIKE IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF COST SHARING ARRANGEMENT WITH THEM.

SO ZACH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL DETAILS YOU WANT TO SHARE.

YEAH. SO OBVIOUSLY HOSPITALITY, WE'VE DONE HOSPITALITY FEASIBILITY IS JUST RANGE FROM 15 TO $25000.

THE MULTIFAMILY, IF WE EVEN GO THAT ROUTE, WE'RE PROBABLY SHYING AWAY FROM MULTIFAMILY.

THAT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER 25, OFFICE IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE 30 TO 40.

BUT MY NEXT STEPS, IF YOU GUYS APPROVE US, I'M GETTING RFPS FROM NOT ONLY THE DESIGN TEAM TO START THE CONCEPTUAL PLANS, BUT ALSO THE FEASIBILITY STUDIES AND OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH CONSULTANT.

SO OUR PLAN IS TO PUT TOGETHER AN ALL INCLUSIVE BUDGET AND A PROPOSAL WITH EVERYBODY'S COST, NOT MINE.

I'M PRO BONO. LUCKY FOR YOU, BUT ALL THESE OTHER GUYS ARE GOING TO HAVE COSTS.

I'M GOING TO PUT TOGETHER A BUDGET AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT TOGETHER A TIMELINE TO GET US TO THAT END OF Q1 NEXT YEAR, SO IT WILL BE SPELLED OUT.

BUT TO YOUR QUESTION, MR. JOHNSON, I DO NOT KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH IT COULD BE ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND, MAYBE TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND WORTH OF SHARED COSTS.

BUT WE AS A DEVELOPER, WE TRY TO LIMIT THAT COST UNTIL WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO GO RIGHT.

I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY UNTIL I KNOW IT'S A REAL DEAL, SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO LIMIT IT FOR YOU AS WELL AS MYSELF, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE SPLITTING IT.

SO.

I KNOW THAT THE RFP YOU MIGHT WANT TO STAY THERE, THE RFP IS ALREADY DONE, AND WE DID NOT PUT A PREREQUISITE IN THERE FOR SUBS AND MINORITY PERCENTAGE.

PARTICIPATION. I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST OR ASK, IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU CAN TRY TO DO SOME OF YOUR SUBS? AND GIVE US BACK A PERCENTAGE OF WHAT YOU'LL DO? I REALIZE IT WASN'T IN THE RFP AND I'M STILL LEARNING HOW THIS ALL WORKS AND I SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF THIS PRIOR.

BUT YOU KNOW, FROM A MINORITY, YOU KNOW, WOMAN OWNED HUBS, WHATEVER THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LOTS OF LEVELS OF SUBS.

I KNOW THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY USE SOME MINORITY ALSO.

SO YOU JUST SAID THAT YOU WERE LEANING AWAY FROM MULTIFAMILY.

IS THAT CORRECT? POTENTIALLY.

I THINK IT WOULD.

IT WOULD BE A GREAT ASSET.

AND HONESTLY, FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, IT WOULD KILL IT RIGHT THERE AT THAT LOCATION. SURE, I DON'T DOUBT THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR COMMUNITY IS GOING TO SAY.

RIGHT. RIGHT. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE REFLECTED THERE.

WE GOT TO FIND THAT OUT.

I'M FINE WITH DOING A FEASIBILITY STUDY ON THAT ASSET CLASS, BUT IF THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T WANT IT, THEN THAT'S A CONVERSATION WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE.

THAT'S GOING TO BE KEY BECAUSE THERE'S A COUPLE OF NEIGHBORHOODS RIGHT ACROSS THE WAY.

EXACTLY. AND WE HAVE THE THING THAT CONCERNS ME, AND THIS GOES BACK TO THE RENDERINGS THAT WE PUT IN THE RFP IS THAT THIS IS AN EIGHT STORY MULTIFAMILY THAT IS NEVER GOING TO FLY FOR ME PERSONALLY AS A COUNCIL PERSON AND I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO FLY.

IT WILL RUIN THE SKYLINE FROM.

ABOUT AS TALL AS THE TOP GOLF POLES.

RIGHT? YEAH. AND SO MY SUGGESTION IS WE'VE GOT A LOT, EVEN WITH THE HOTELS OF THERE'S FOUR TO SIX LEVELS AND I'M LOOKING AT THREE TO FOUR STORIES MAX ON THINGS IS WHAT I THINK WHERE WE NEED TO STAY BECAUSE OF WHERE IT IS LOCATED.

AND YOU KNOW, AS WE TALK ABOUT THAT BEING THE BEST VIEW WE HAVE IN THE CITY AND THEN WE DON'T WANT TO GO AND PUT UP A BUNCH OF HIGH RISE BUILDINGS AND RUIN THAT VIEW.

RIGHT, RIGHT. SO I HEAR YOU.

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I CAN'T SAY DEFINITIVELY THAT WE WOULD STAY BELOW YOU SAID THREE OR FOUR.

YOU KNOW, OUR HOTEL DOWNTOWN BECAUSE IT WAS A STAMP LOT IS 16 STORIES, BUT THAT WAS BECAUSE OF THE AREA WE HAD TO WORK WITH.

THIS IS A CLEAN SLATE, RIGHT? SO DEPENDING ON FEASIBILITY, THAT'S SOMETHING RIGHT, RIGHT. I WOULD SAY YOUR FIRE MARSHAL IS ALSO GOING TO DICTATE RIGHT BECAUSE AT THE FIFTH FLOOR IS PROBABLY WHERE WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE A BACKUP PUMP AND SOME OTHER COMPONENTS.

THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE FEASIBLE TO GO ABOVE FIVE FEET OR FIVE STORIES.

SO ONE MORE QUESTION THAN I'M DONE WITH THAT.

SO IF THE SOUTH PARCEL IS THE ONE THAT GETS THE BIG OK AND LIKE, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT AND WE DON'T GET MUCH MORE ONTO THE NORTH END.

IS THAT GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S OK WITH YOU? WHAT HAPPENS IF WE HIT CHALLENGES WITH CHANGING OVER THE SOFTBALL FIELD? THE STONEWALL ON THAT WOULD BE ON THE WESTERN MOST PORTION.

CLUBHOUSE IS CURRENTLY AND MAYBE REDEVELOP THAT SMALL LITTLE PORTION.

I'M AMENABLE TO THAT.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO THE FEASIBILITY RIGHT? IF IF AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOUR TAX REVENUE IS NOT GOING TO BENEFIT MUCH FROM 12 ACRES VERSUS THE THIRTY SEVEN.

NEITHER ONE OF US ARE GOING TO COME OUT LOOKING GOOD, SO I'D BE FINE WITH THAT, FRANKLY.

BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT WITHOUT STUDIES.

OK. SO FOR ME, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE HIT ON THE ENGAGEMENT WITH THE PUBLIC.

THAT, TO ME, IS CRITICAL ASPECT HERE.

AND THAT IS ULTIMATELY, I MEAN, I REALIZE WE'RE ELECTED TO REPRESENT THEM, BUT THIS IS A BIG PROJECT.

SO FOR ME, THE FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO BE HUGE IN GUIDING US AND HOW TO GUIDE THEM. SO I'M GOING TO WAIT FOR THAT.

AMANDA ON THE ELECTION, POTENTIALLY FOR CHANGING OVER TO PARK LAND.

WHAT IS OUR TIME FRAME ON THAT? HOW WOULD THAT WORK? WE WOULD ALWAYS HAVE TO HOLD THAT ELECTION IN CONJUNCTION WITH A UNIFORM ELECTION DAY.

SO MAY WOULD BE ONE OR NOVEMBER.

SO MAY WE'RE DEADLINE FOR CALLING.

THAT IS GOING TO BE IN FEBRUARY.

AND IF WE HAVE IF WE MISS THE FEBRUARY, THEN WE'D MOVE ON TO THE NOVEMBER ELECTION AND THE DEADLINE TO CALL THAT WOULD BE IN MID-AUGUST.

AND IT COULD BE A SPECIAL ELECTION.

JUST STANDING.

CORRECT IT COULD BE A STANDALONE SPECIAL ELECTION DOES NOT HAVE TO BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH A GENERAL ELECTION OR ANYTHING ELSE.

OK, THANK YOU. WELL, I APPRECIATE JACKSON SHAW COMING, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH JACKSON SHAW. I'VE SPENT 30 YEARS OVER IN FORT WORTH, SO I'VE SEEN A LOT OF Y'ALLS WORK AND Y'ALL HAVE ALWAYS BEEN VERY MUCH, VERY AMENABLE TO TO THE COMMUNITY.

YOUR KNOWLEDGE COMING IN HERE ALREADY RECOGNIZING THE FACT THAT MULTIFAMILY IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO FLY IN OUR CITY MEANS A LOT TO ME BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE OUR FEASIBILITY STUDIES WITH YOU YET. BUT THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS ALREADY TELLS ME THAT YOU'VE DONE YOUR HOMEWORK AND THAT YOU'RE NOT JUST COMING IN HERE, YOU KNOW, JUST TRYING TO SELL US SOMETHING. I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT FROM YOUR COMPANY BEFORE, AND IT CONTINUES TO BE THAT STANDARD THAT I SEE TODAY. SO I'M IN FAVOR OF JACKSON SHAW.

OK, GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS HERE.

YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY NUMBERS ON THE GOLF COURSE OR RESTRUCTURING? ARE WE GOING TO NEED TO RESTRUCTURE THE GOLF COURSE ON YOUR ON SOME OF YOUR STUFF? PROBABLY NOT. WE'RE TRYING TO STAY AWAY FROM DISTURBING THE GOLF COURSE AND THE LAYOUT THAT IT HAS CURRENTLY TODAY.

OK. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SHORTENING SOME STUFF UP.

GOING TO KNOW A LOT MORE OF WHERE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE, WHAT WE QUALIFY FOR AFTER THE FEASIBILITY STUDIES HAVE BEEN DONE.

THE CLUBHOUSE BEING RELOCATED TO SOMEWHERE ELSE ON THE GOLF COURSE THAT MAKES SENSE.

MAYBE A POTENTIAL REDEVELOPMENT REALLY CLOSE TO WHERE IT'S AT TODAY COULD BE ALSO ANOTHER POSSIBILITY, BUT NOT KNOWING WHAT THE FEASIBILITY STUDIES OR WHAT ASSET CLASSES AND WHAT THOSE FEASIBILITY STUDIES SAY ABOUT WHERE THEY WANT TO GO AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

PUTTING TOGETHER THAT PHASING PLAN AND CONSTRUCTION PLAN WILL BE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD. SO IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, COULD THIS BE A VENUE DESTINATION TYPE SET UP? I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T WANT TO DRAW CITIZENS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE TO THIS VENUE AND TAKE AWAY FROM OTHER BUSINESSES.

CORRECT. WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE I WANT TO MAKE I35, I WANT BURLESON TO LOOK BETTER FROM I35.

OK. THE OTHER THING IS IS I WANT TO MAKE THE GOLF COURSE VIABLE.

I DON'T WANT US TO HAVE TO BE SUBSIDIZING THAT EVERY YEAR.

I SEE THAT BEING ABLE TO DO THAT.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO KILL THAT VIEW FROM THE CITIZENS.

I MEAN, YOU STAND UP ON THE HILL AND YOU LOOK OUT ACROSS BURLESON THAT THING.

SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS.

BUT DO YOU SEE THIS BEING A VENUE PLACE WHERE WE DRAW MORE TAX DOLLARS FROM?

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I WOULD SAY YOU KNOW WE'LL ALSO DO A TI TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, RIGHT AND YOU HAVE A TON OF CARS ON I35.

SO I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE FROM YOUR DOWNTOWN THAT YOU JUST REVITALIZED.

I THINK THIS IS JUST GOING TO BE KIND OF AN OFFSHOOT AND AN EXTENSION OF THAT.

WE'RE ALSO GOING TO DESIGN IT TO WHERE IT'S A LOT OF TRANSIENT, RIGHT? I MEAN, I SAY TRANSIENTS, NEGATIVE CONNOTATION, BUT I35, SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO COME IN AND STOP BY AND GET A BEER ON THE WAY HOME, RIGHT? IF THEY LIVE SOUTH OF HERE OR SOMEBODY THAT JUST WANTS TO GRAB A BITE TO EAT, THEY HAD A LATE DAY AT WORK. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

IT'S NOT GOING TO NOT GOING TO STEAL FROM YOUR PREEXISTING DEVELOPMENTS OR YOUR RESTAURANTS OR ANYTHING YOU'VE CURRENTLY DONE.

WELL, I'M DEFINITELY IN ON THIS.

ANYBODY ELSE? I'VE ONLY GOT ONE QUESTION.

IT'S MORE MORE, PROBABLY FOR YOU ALEX OR JEN.

I'M NOT SURE, BUT I KNOW THE SOFTBALL FIELDS HAVE NEEDED SOME LOVE AND I KNOW THEY'RE COMING UP IN THIS CONVERSATION.

DO WE HAVE SOME LONG TERM PLANS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH SOFTBALL FIELDS? I THINK IF IF SOFTBALL FIELDS, YOU KNOW, THE FEASIBILITY STUDIES COME BACK AND SOFTBALL FIELDS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO GO TO THE VOTERS TO LOOK AT.

I KNOW TALKING TO CITY MANAGEMENT AND JEN, THERE'LL BE ANOTHER LOCATION FOR THEM TO BE RECREATED FOR THE CITIZENS.

SO JUST TO ECHO THAT A LITTLE BIT, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO IS LOOKING AT THAT WILL I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A VISION FOR WHAT THAT SPACE WOULD BE FOR THE VOTERS IF THERE WAS AN ELECTION? WHAT'S THE VISION FOR THE SPACE? IT'S VERY HARD TO MAKE THAT DECISION UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE THERE IN ITS PLACE. AND THEN I THINK, AS ALEX POINTED OUT, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE FIELDS, WHAT THAT INVESTMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE, WHERE THEY'RE GOING, WE'D NEED TO HAVE A GOOD PLAN FOR THAT SO THAT WE COULD PUT ALL THAT IN FRONT OF THE VOTERS IN THE COMMUNITY AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE GETTING.

SO THOSE ARE ALL OPTIONS THAT WE CAN RUN DOWN AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.

I THINK THE BALL FIELDS ARE ONE OF THE GO NO GO DECISIONS THAT WE HAVE TO TO COME UP WITH. I WAS TRYING TO BREAK THIS DOWN INTO A FLOWCHART OF SOME RUDIMENTARY SORT SO WE CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT ARE THE STEPS WE NEED TO TAKE, WHEN DO WE NEED TO TAKE THEM? AND OF COURSE, THE CRUCIAL FIRST STEP IS DO WE OR DO WE NOT WANT TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS PROPERTY? AND THAT REALLY KIND OF NEEDS TO BE ARRIVED AT BECAUSE LEAVING THINGS AS THEY ARE IS NOT AMONG THE OPTIONS.

IT'S NOT A SUSTAINABLE OPTION.

THE BALL FIELDS ARE NOT IN ANY KIND OF SHAPE THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE WITHOUT SOME CITY FUNDS BEING EXPENDED UPON THEM.

AND I KNOW GENERAL PRESENT ABOUT PARKS MASTER PLANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT I DON'T RECALL THE BALL FIELDS BEING A SIGNIFICANT ITEM ON THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.

WE'RE PROVIDING THAT FUNCTION, BUT WE'RE PROVIDING IT MINIMALLY AT THE MOMENT BECAUSE OF THE CONDITION OF THE FIELDS.

SO IT'S IT'S IT'S NOT REALLY A GO NO GO DECISION THERE.

IT'S A GO THIS WAY OR GO THIS WAY.

I DON'T SEE THE BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY OF CONTINUING TO TRY TO PROVIDE THE SOFTBALL GAMES AT THIS LOCATION THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DOING IN THE PAST.

I THINK THERE IS A PATH BY WHICH WE CAN STILL PROVIDE THAT FUNCTION AT [INAUDIBLE] HALL FIELDS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT MANY TIMES BEFORE, SO IF WE'VE MADE THE DECISION OR WE'RE PREPARED TO MAKE THE DECISION TO GO FORWARD, THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD IN INCREMENTS. THE FIRST INCREMENT IS LET'S DO THE FEASIBILITY, WE'LL DO THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND THEN THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, FIND OUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY A WILL TOLERATE AND THEN FIND OUT IF THAT WORKS OUT ECONOMICALLY.

SO WE'RE NOT REALLY PULLING THE BIG TRIGGER TODAY.

THE OTHER THING THAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT THIS, WHEN THESE THINGS GET MOMENTUM GOING, IT'S BEST TO KEEP IT GOING AND THIS ELECTION THING IS REALLY BOTHERING ME.

THE ELECTION CAN RUN THE WHOLE PROCESS OFF THE RAILS.

IF THIS PICKS UP SORT OF THE WRONG ENERGY FROM WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING.

YOU KNOW, YOU TELL PEOPLE, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THESE BALL FIELDS AND TURN THEM INTO HIGH RISE APARTMENT BUILDINGS, AND IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO FAIL.

SO I DON'T KNOW AT WHAT TIME IS THE BEST TIME TO ALLOW THE CITY TO GAIN FULL CONTROL OVER THE DISPOSITION OF THIS PARTICULAR ASSET, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S DEDICATED PARK LAND, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE WITH IT EXCEPT PROVIDE A PARK FUNCTION.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'D BE BETTER TO GET THE ELECTION OUT OF THE WAY NOW AND THEN SEE IF WE'VE GOT ANYTHING TO TALK ABOUT OR WAIT UNTIL THIS PACKAGE GETS PUT TOGETHER AND ACCEPT A SIX TO 12 MONTH DELAY IN BEING ABLE TO GO FORWARD BECAUSE WE'RE STILL CONSTRAINED BY THE BY THE PARK DEDICATION.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON WHAT'S THE BEST TIME TO HIT THE COMMUNITY WITH THAT THOUGHT? WELL, MY THOUGHT ON THAT IS IF WE PHASE THIS IN, OBVIOUSLY THE SOFTBALL CAN BE PHASED IN AND THAT END OF IT, THE SOFTBALL FIELD AREA.

YOU KNOW, WE MENTIONED THE JUG HEAD STUFF LIKE THAT.

BUT AS THE AS THIS GETS PHASED IN AND AS THE MOMENTUM PICKS UP, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE CAN GET THIS ON THE ON THE BALLOT.

IF IT IF IT DOES NOT PASS, THEN THEN WE JUST DON'T DEVELOP THAT END OF IT, OBVIOUSLY.

BUT I THINK THE GOLF PART, THE GOLF, THE GOLF COURSE AND THE JUG HEAD, I THINK, COULD

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STILL GO FORWARD. THAT'S KIND OF MY THOUGHT PROCESS.

AND THAT'S DID I HEAR CORRECTLY IN KIND OF YOUR THOUGHT? OKAY, OKAY.

I THINK THERE'S ALSO A DECISION POINT, YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY START GETTING BACK FEASIBILITY STUDIES, WE'LL KNOW, HEY, IS THIS HIDDEN CREEK CORRIDOR GOING TO GO GANGBUSTERS OR HEY, IS IT GOING TO BE A SLOW PLAY OVER TIME? YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO KNOW A LOT MORE AFTER THE FEASIBILITY STUDIES REGARDING THE ASSET CLASSES. HOW LONG WILL THE FEASIBILITY STUDIES TAKE? TYPICALLY, SIX TO NINE MONTHS, WE CAN EXPEDITE THEM, BUT WE TRULY BECAUSE WE'LL GET SOME BACK AND THEY'LL SAY, WELL, FOR A HOTEL RIGHT RIGHT OFF OF I35, YOU'RE COMPETING YOUR COMP SET. I DON'T WANT TO COMPETE WITH MY DOWNTOWN HOTEL, OBVIOUSLY, BUT WHAT'S YOUR ADR? YOUR AVERAGE DAILY RATE THERE VERSUS HERE.

SO THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME GIVE OR TAKE ON EVERY ASSET CLASS FROM A SQUARE FOOTAGE, FROM A RENTABLE SPACE, FROM THE RATES AND EVERYTHING.

AND THAT'S WHY IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT LONGER.

THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT COMES TO US AND PROBABLY THREE TO FOUR MONTHS, BUT THEN IT'S THE BACK AND FORTH TO TRULY FIGURE IT OUT.

SO. SO DAN, DO YOU THINK ONCE WE GET THE FEASIBILITY STUDY BACK AND DO YOU THINK THEN WE GO TO VOTE AFTER THAT? I'M WITH YOU.

I AGREE, BECAUSE THAT'S BEFORE WE SAY, OK, LET'S GO TO THE I MEAN, WE'VE GOT TO SPEND MONEY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER TO FIND OUT, YEAH, IF WE MOVE FORWARD, RIGHT? BUT IF WE SAY, WELL, LET'S BRING THIS FORWARD, YOU KNOW, NEXT YEAR TO A VOTE AND WE DON'T HAVE A FEASIBILITY STUDY, THEY'RE VOTING ON SOMETHING THAT'S LITERALLY JUST A BLANKET OF, HEY, WE'RE WILLING TO TURN THIS OVER AND LET GO OF THE PARK LAND PART OF IT.

FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE, YOU GUYS BEING ON HERE LONGER, IS THAT SOMETHING WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST? DO WE MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT HAVING SOMETHING TO BACK UP WHY WE'RE SAYING, HEY, WE WANT TO CHANGE THIS? OR DO WE JUST SAY WE KNOW THIS IS NOT GOING TO WORK ANYMORE AS A PARK LAND FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS? I KIND OF LIKE THE WAY THAT CONCEPT IS HEADED BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN SAY AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW THAT NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO REMAIN PARK PROPERTY, OK, BECAUSE IT'S WORTH TOO MUCH BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER LOCALITIES IN WHICH WE CAN PROVIDE THE FUNCTION THAT IS PROVIDING NOW BETTER.

AND IF WE DECIDED TO MOVE SOFTBALL TO BETTER FIELDS IN ANOTHER LOCATION, WHAT KIND OF A PARK WOULD YOU TURN THIS PIECE OF LAND INTO? I CAN'T THINK OF ONE THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE PARK USE.

SO THAT WAS WHY I WAS LEANING TOWARDS THE IDEA OF LET'S GO AHEAD AND PUT THE ELECTION OUT THERE AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY THING TO GO FORWARD.

BUT I THINK THE DANGER IS THAT IT GETS SPUN INTO BEING SOMETHING THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE UNTIL WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PART AND DECIDED WHAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD ACCEPT. I MEAN, IT'S.

IT'S A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD HERE.

BRYAN. DO YOU HAVE ANY GUIDANCE FOR US ON THIS? YEAH, MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO GO THROUGH THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT FEASIBILITY PROCESS.

DETERMINE WHAT A VISION WOULD LOOK LIKE THERE.

WE CAN STILL DO THE PHASING FOR THE OTHER COMPONENTS OF THE PROJECT, BUT TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION, TO KNOW WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE AND WHAT WOULD WE EVEN CONSIDER? I THINK IT'S VERY HARD TO GO TO THE VOTERS AND ASK THEM.

IT IS. IT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION, BUT I THINK IT'S HARD TO GO TO THEM TO SAY, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO GIVE THIS UP? AND THE QUESTION NATURAL QUESTION IS GOING TO BE, WELL, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THERE? AND WE DON'T KNOW.

AND I THINK UNTIL YOU KNOW THAT IT'S REALLY HARD FOR THEM TO MAKE THAT DECISION THAT [INAUDIBLE] MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU, BUT.

YOU SEE THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AS BEING PHASE ONE OF ANYTHING.

ONCE WE PULL THE TRIGGER, THAT'S THE PROCESS.

COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND FEASIBILITY.

I THINK THE OTHER QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, HEY, WHAT DO WE WANT? BUT WHAT'S POSSIBLE? AND I THINK ZACH KIND OF HIT ON THAT IS WHAT'S THE ECONOMIC REALITY FOR THESE PROJECTS? DO THEY MAKE DO THEY MAKE THE WAY WE WANT THEM TO MAKE? UNTIL WE DO THAT, WE JUST SIMPLY DON'T KNOW.

DO WE NEED THAT? SO DOES THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OCCUR AT THE SAME TIME AS FEASIBILITY? OR ARE WE DOING FEASIBILITY? THEY KIND OF OVERLAP EACH OTHER TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.

SO WOULD WE? IN TODAY, I MEAN, WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR DIRECTION TO START THE NEGOTIATIONS WITH JACKSON SHAW AND BRING BACK AN AGREEMENT FIRST QUARTER OF NEXT YEAR BEFORE ANY COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OR FEASIBILITY STARTS.

SO TODAY WE'RE JUST ASKING, RIGHT, WE ARE YOU ALL OK WITH MOVING FORWARD, JACKSON SHAW? WE GET THAT. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE THINKING THROUGH ALL OF THESE STEPS.

SO AS I LISTEN TO BRYAN AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WOULD WOULD WE BE REASONABLE TO SAY THAT TO CALL FOR A POTENTIAL ELECTION NEXT NOVEMBER WOULD BE? AND I THINK DAN'S REALLY THE SOFTBALL FIELDS HAVE NOT BEEN WELL CARED FOR.

THEY'VE BEEN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST.

AS YOU MENTIONED, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE ON ANY PLANS AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WAS GOING TO BRING UP THE PARK DISCUSSION TODAY OF LIKE, OVERALL, THEY HAVEN'T.

IT'S A BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY AND IT'S NOT WELL CARED FOR.

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THE FIELDS HAVE JUST KIND OF BEEN LIKE AFTERTHOUGHT, AND I THINK NO MATTER WHAT, WE NEED TO FIND THEM A NEW HOME. WE NEED TO HAVE A BIG CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT WE WANT, THAT WHERE WE WANT, WHERE WE SEE THAT HEADING ALL ON ITS OWN.

I THINK THAT'S THAT DISCUSSION STANDS BY ITSELF, BUT I'M KIND OF TORN ON.

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO GET QUESTIONS OF, WELL, WHAT WOULD BE WHAT WOULD GO THERE. SO I COULD FORESEE AN ELECTION, POSSIBLY NOVEMBER IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING. PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PIECES IS OBVIOUSLY PRIMARY AND WE WANT TO HEAR FROM THE CITIZENS WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE.

BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, IT'S ALMOST AN EYESORE.

IT'S JUST NOT BEEN A TOP PRIORITY TO KEEP.

THE PARKING LOT IS ALL BROKEN UP AND IT'S A MASSIVE PARKING LOT.

IT'S JUST LIKE THE THAT SPOT ALONE IS AN EYESORE.

AND THEN YOU GET DOWN ONTO THE FIELDS AND IT'S ANT MOUND RIDDEN AND NOT WATERED AND STICKERS. AND I MEAN, IT'S JUST IT DOES NOT LOOK GOOD.

AND IF I IF THAT WAS A SPORT I WAS PASSIONATE ABOUT, I WOULD BE DISAPPOINTED THAT THAT'S HOW THAT'S WHAT I'VE GIVEN TO PLAY ON WHEN JUST DOWN THE STREET, WE HAVE BEAUTIFUL FACILITIES THAT ARE WELL MAINTAINED AND AND SO THAT KIND OF GOES BACK TO MAYOR.

YOU ALWAYS TALK ABOUT KIND OF HOW WE ARE IMAGE AND HOW WE PRESENT OURSELVES.

AND THAT'S NOT ONE THAT I'M THE THE WAY WE'VE NOT TAKEN CARE OF THOSE FIELDS IS NOT ONE I'M PROUD OF. SO.

SO THE THE ENGAGEMENT.

ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE VIEWS OF WHAT THEY CAN SEE OR IS THIS JUST WORDS OR HOW DO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING? SO AN INTERESTING QUESTION.

AGAIN, I CAN'T PROMISE ANYTHING TO YOUR CITIZENS, RIGHT? MY GRANDPA USED TO SAY, DON'T WRITE A CHECK THAT YOUR BUTT CAN'T CASH.

BUT YOU CAN GIVE CONCEPT THOUGH? SO I CAN GIVE CONCEPTS.

BUT AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO OVERPROMISE ANYTHING.

IF I SHOW THEM PRETTY PICTURES, THEN THERE'S AN EXPECTATION SET.

SO I'VE GOT TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT.

I CAN SHOW THEM OPEN SPACE AND LIKE I SHOWED YOU TODAY, THAT'S INSPIRATIONAL.

ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE WATER FOUNTAINS? I DON'T KNOW.

I GUESS THAT'S THE REALITY OF IT.

SO I CAN SHOW THEM INSPIRATIONS AND WHAT THE CONCEPTS WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

BUT I'M NOT GOING TO PROMISE ANYTHING TO YOUR CITIZENS BECAUSE TWO YEARS AFTER IT'S BUILT, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY THIS IS NOT WHAT WE THOUGHT.

OK, I THINK WE'RE STILL AT THE POINT WHERE WE'RE MAKING TWO DECISIONS TODAY OR A DECISION AND A HALF, AT LEAST FIRST DECISION BEING WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH THIS PROPERTY. THE OTHER HALF OF THAT DECISION IS WELL WHERE ARE WE GOING TO WHERE ARE IF WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE SOFTBALL AS AN AMENITY TO THE COMMUNITY? BUT THAT'S A SEPARATE DISCUSSION.

WE REALLY DON'T. WHAT WE DO KNOW IS IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT HERE. SO THAT PART, I THINK WE CAN GET BEHIND.

THE OTHER PART IS, DO WE CHOOSE JACKSON SHAW? FRANKLY, YOU HAD ME AT NO TOP GOLF.

I WAS ON BOARD. [LAUGHTER] WHEN THAT'S OUT OF THE EQUATION, YOU GOT ME SO HATE THOSE THINGS. SO I'M ON BOARD WITH DOING THIS.

THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I'D HAVE IS I'D LIKE FOR US TO CONSIDER THE PARTNERSHIP OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDIES AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PART.

ONE OF THE MYRIAD POSSIBILITIES THAT COULD COME OUT OF THAT AS IF NOTHING HAPPENS.

IN THAT CASE, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SERVICE THAT JACKSON SHAW IS PROVIDING FOR US BY EVALUATING THIS PROJECT DOES NOT GO UNCOMPENSATED.

I DON'T WANT THEM TO SPEND MONEY THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO RETURN.

ON THE OTHER HAND, IF IT LEADS TO A PROJECT THAT'S PROFITABLE FOR JACKSON SHAW, WHICH IS MY PERSONAL HOPE, THEN I FEEL LIKE THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEY ABSORB INTO THEIR PROJECT. PERHAPS NOT COMPLETELY.

BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE A POINT WHERE WE SAY, OK, GUYS, HERE'S THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.

HERE'S THE RESULTS HERE THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

IF YOU PULL THE TRIGGER, THIS COST YOU THIS MUCH.

IF YOU SAY NO, COMPENSATE THE PEOPLE FAIRLY FOR THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A HARD NUMBER, RIGHT? SO AND I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM A BUSINESS MAN'S POINT OF VIEW.

WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO TIE UP ASSETS THAT YOU HAVE IN A PROJECT, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT DOING IT OUT OF YOUR POCKET AND YOU'LL NEVER SEE A RETURN FOR IT.

YES, SIR. I WANT TO.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ACT AS A PARTNER AND A GOOD PARTNER WILL BE CERTAIN THAT NO ONE GETS TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF.

ABSOLUTELY. I THINK OH, SORRY.

I WILL SAY I JUST WANT TO ADD SOMETHING SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COSTS AND TRYING TO LOOK AT THAT, THAT IF WE DO A NOVEMBER ELECTION, REMEMBER COUNCIL THAT WE HAVE TO CONTRACT WITH BOTH COUNTIES, WHICH DOUBLES OUR COST FOR HOLDING AN ELECTION.

SO IF WE'RE SHOOTING FOR AN ELECTION, I WOULD SAY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT MAY 2023 TO HOLD

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THAT ELECTION BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT COST.

AND I THINK AND THEN I'M HEARING THE FEASIBILITY AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I THINK IT KIND OF RUNS A LITTLE BIT MORE ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND THEN THAT WAY THAT KIND OF GETS US INTO THAT MAY ELECTION WHERE WE'RE NOT HAVING VOTERS GO TO TWO DIFFERENT COUNTIES TO VOTE.

IT'S ALL CENTRALLY HERE.

AND I WAS GOING TO COMMENT REAL QUICK ON THAT, TOO.

I WAS GOING TO I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST THE MAY JUST BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE AN ELECTION COMING FROM RALEIGH THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING IN MAY AND ASKED VOTERS COME TWICE IN THE SAME YEAR CAN BE CAN BE A LITTLE DIFFICULT.

SO I THINK MAY IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING.

I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO, THOUGH, IS WE NEED TO NOT ONLY IDENTIFY THE OBVIOUS, WHICH IS THAT THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA BE PARK LAND, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO LET THE SOFTBALL PEOPLE KNOW, HEY, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO BE PLAYING? SO WE'VE GOT TIME TO GET THAT DONE.

BUT I FEEL THAT THAT'S OUR OUR WAY TO GENERATE THE SUCCESS WE NEED ON THAT ELECTION IS TO NOT ONLY BE ABLE TO SHOW, HEY, THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO BE PARK LAND, NOT FOR THE CITY, NOT FOR YOU ON YOUR TAX DOLLARS, BUT ALSO, HEY, HERE'S WHERE IT DOES MAKE SENSE.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT KIND OF YEAH BROUGHT FORTH.

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT BREAKING IT UP BETWEEN THE THE AREA WHERE THE PRO SHOP IS IN A SOFTBALL FIELD UNDER TWO DIFFERENT ELECTIONS? SIMPLY BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO SHOW THEM.

IT'S. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH ONE.

JUST THE SOFTBALL FIELDS ARE PARK LAND.

OK, GOOD. WELL, THAT WORKS OUT GREAT.

WELL, WE MIGHT NOT EVEN DO THE SOFTBALL FIELDS WORK ON SOMETHING SO THEY SEE WHAT THEY'RE GETTING. YEAH.

YES. YEAH.

LET'S GO IN THAT DIRECTION.

TAKE THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE RIGHT NOW AND AND SHOW THEM WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET FOR THEIR MONEY. THAT'S FAIR.

ALL OF THOSE ARE DECISIONS THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO EXPLORE WITH YOU OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE TODAY.

BUT I THINK THOSE ARE ALL OPTIONS THAT WE CAN BRING FORWARD IS PHASING IN DIFFERENT WAYS TO LOOK AT IT. CERTAINLY, IF I'M READING COUNCIL RIGHT, I THINK WE'RE A GO AHEAD ON THIS.

YEAH, WE HAVE AN ACTION ITEM LATER TODAY IN THE AGENDA TO GIVE US THE AUTHORIZATION, GIVE THE CITY MANAGER OUR AUTHORIZATION, NOT ME.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

YES. MAYOR AND COUNCIL THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM

[B. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction regarding proposed changes to the Parks and Recreation Capital Improvement Program. (Staff Presenter: Jen Basham, Director of Parks and Recreation).]

2B RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PROVIDE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.

TODAY'S STAFF PRESENTER IS JENN BASHAM, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.

MS. BASHAM. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I'LL START BY SAYING JUST ON THE HIDDEN CREEK SIDE, THAT IS ONLY USED FOR PRACTICE FIELDS RIGHT NOW AND WE ARE NOT PLAYING AT HIDDEN CREEK.

WE PLAY AT CHISENHALL.

THEY PRACTICE, BUT IT'S NOT TOURNAMENT OR GAME PLAY.

THEY'RE JUST PLAYING AROUND.

YEAH, WE MOVED THAT LAST YEAR AND IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN OUR LEAGUES.

WE'RE JUST RESTRICTING OUR LEAGUE PLAY RIGHT NOW SO THAT WE CAN ALWAYS MAKE SURE THEY'RE PLAYING ON THE SAME QUALITY AS BASEBALL PLAY.

SO WE HAVE LEAGUE PLAY NOW OVER CHISENHALL ALREADY? YES, SIR. OKAY.

IT RESTRICTS HOW MANY TEAMS WE CAN HAVE BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE SO MANY FIELDS THAT ARE BIG ENOUGH. BUT WE HAVE MADE THAT ACCOMMODATION BECAUSE WE KNOW THE CONDITION THAT HIDDEN CREEK'S IN. OKAY, THAT HELPS.

ALL RIGHT. SO BEFORE WE GET STARTED TODAY, I'M JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH A BACKGROUND.

THESE ARE THE SLIDES THAT WE PRESENTED WHEN WE PRESENTED THE CIP BACK IN JUNE.

SO JUST TO KIND OF GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF THAT BACKGROUND, WE CREATE OUR PROJECTS IN KEEPING WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FROM OUR PARKS MASTER PLAN.

WE COMBINE PARKS, REC AND GOLF IN THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.

OUR CIP FOCUSES ON NEW IMPROVEMENTS AND THE ENHANCEMENT OF OUR EXISTING ASSETS.

AND THEN SEVERAL PROJECTS FROM OUR CURRENT CIP ARE ALREADY UNDERWAY.

SO VILLAGE CREEK TRAIL SEGMENTS THREE AND FOUR ARE SPLASH PAD, DOG PARK, PRAIRIE TIMBERS, SHANNON CREEK, WHICH WE JUST GOT THE BUDGET APPROVED FOR LAST WEEK.

BARTLETT SOCCER SIGN AND JUST COMPLETE CLARK PARK IS DONE IN THE [INAUDIBLE] PARK HAS DONE AS WELL. OUR PARKS MASTER PLAN.

OUR MAIN MISSION IS TO CREATE A SPACE WHERE RESIDENTS AND VISITORS WILL CONTINUE TO ENJOY A SAFE AND UNIQUE BLEND OF ACTIVE PARKS, OPEN SPACES, MILES OF PAVED AND UNPAVED, AND A LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT CONTINUES TO EXCEED NATIONAL AVERAGES.

AND THAT PART SPECIFICALLY IS OUR PARK LAND PER CAPITA SO THAT NATIONAL AVERAGE IS 10 ACRES PER CAPITA. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE SITTING AT ABOUT ELEVEN POINT ONE, SO THAT'S A REALLY GOOD AVERAGE GOAL.

ONE IS TO MAINTAIN AN EXCELLENT LEVEL OF SERVICE GOAL TO IS TO IMPROVE OUR WALKABILITY AND PARK ACCESS. THE THIRD IS TO DEVELOP OUR COMMUNITY PARKS GOAL, WHICH IS A BIG ONE THAT WE'VE BEEN REALLY FOCUSING ON IS TO ADDRESS OUR AGING PARKS AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND IMPROVE THE USER EXPERIENCE.

GOAL FIVE IS TO DEVELOP THE PREMIER TRAIL SYSTEM, AND WE'RE WORKING WITH MICHELLE THROUGH

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THE MOBILITY PLAN TO ENSURE OUR TRAIL SYSTEM AND THE MOBILITY PLAN TALK TO EACH OTHER.

GOAL SIX WAS TO DEVELOP A CIP AND WE ARE WORKING ON YEAR THREE OF THIS.

HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE PROJECTS? AND THEY'RE IDENTIFIED AS A HIGH PRIORITY BACK IN THE 2019 MASTER PLAN.

THEY'RE IDENTIFIED AS A HIGH PRIORITY BY RESIDENTS, BOARDS OR COUNCIL, OR THEY'VE BEEN REVIEWED AND ANALYZED BY STAFF TO BE IN NEED OF REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT.

SO SOMETIMES A PROJECT MAY GET BUMPED OR MOVE FORWARD IN THE CIP BASED ON THE LEVEL OF DISREPAIR OF THAT AMENITY.

HOW DO WE FUND THESE 4B SALES TAX IS OUR BIGGEST WAY THAT WE FUND OUR PROJECT.

WE USE SALES TAX REVENUE BOTH AS CASH AND A SOURCE FOR DEBT SERVICE.

OUR EXISTING BOND REVENUE, WHICH WE ARE SLOWLY SCRUBBING AWAY AT FOR OUR UNALLOCATED PARK FUNDS. WE'RE SLOWLY EATING AWAY AT THOSE 2016 AND 2015 PROJECT BUDGETS, PARK DEVELOPMENT AND DEDICATION FEES. THOSE ARE FOR NEW HOME CONSTRUCTION AND THE AND THEY'RE SPECIFIC TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF PARKS AND ACQUISITION OF PARK LAND.

THIS IS OUR PARK ZONE MAP.

SO JUST A REFRESHER WE BREAK OUR PARKS INTO THREE DIFFERENT ZONES.

AND WHEN A DEVELOPER PAYS A DEDICATION FEE OR A DEVELOPMENT FEE, IT IS SPECIFIC TO THE ZONE IN WHICH THEY ARE DOING DEVELOPMENT.

THESE ARE OUTDATED NUMBERS.

THEY'RE WRAPPING UP QUARTER FOUR RIGHT NOW, SO I WILL GET UPDATED NUMBERS FOR YOU GUYS.

BUT THEY WERE SCRUBBING THOSE, SO I DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE YOU NUMBERS THAT HADN'T BEEN SCRUBBED.

FOR FISCAL YEAR 22, WE'D HAVE THE CHISENHALL PARKING EXPANSION, SPLASH PAD CONSTRUCTION, BAILEY LAKE IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH WILL ACTUALLY SHOW YOU THAT WE ARE.

WE'VE ROLLED THOSE IN.

WE APPROVED THE THE DESIGN OF THAT WITH CHISENHALL, SO THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE PROJECT MOVING FORWARD. SHANNON CREEK VILLAGE CREEK TRAIL EXPANSION PHASES ONE AND TWO.

CINDY PARK AND THEN UNPLANNED PARK IMPROVEMENTS.

WHAT WE'RE BRINGING TO YOU TODAY FOR ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION IS THE EXTENSION OF OAK VALLEY SOUTH.

ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR CLAUDIA'S PLAYGROUND AND CLARK PARK PARKING LOT.

AND THEN ADDITIONAL FUNDING NEEDED FOR CURRENT PROJECTS, WHICH YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN CEMETERY, DOG PARK, SPLASH PAD AND SOMETHING WE'LL BE SHOWING YOU FOR THE FIRST TIME THIS MORNING AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO A LITTLE CONTRACT TO REALLY HELP MANAGE THE LITTER IN OUR RIGHT OF WAYS. THERE ARE NO CHANGES CURRENTLY TO RECREATION OR GOLF.

THE FIRST PROJECT THAT WE'RE BRINGING YOU THIS MORNING IS THE CLARK PARK PARKING LOT.

WE BROUGHT THIS TO YOU GUYS LAST YEAR AND IT WAS DECIDED TO PUT IT AS A FUTURE PROJECT.

THEN WE COMPLETED THE CONSTRUCTION OF CLARK PARK, AND IT'S BEEN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BOTH THE DEVELOPER AND RESIDENTS HAVE ASKED US TO ADDRESS AND MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD.

THE ESTIMATED BUDGET FOR THIS IS 286 THOUSAND DOLLARS.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ADDITION OF 12 TO 20 PARKING SPACES WITH CURB AND GUTTER.

THIS WOULD TAKE ABOUT SIX MONTHS, AND WE WOULD LOOK AT 4B DEBT FOR THIS PROJECT.

CAN I STOP YOU ON THIS REAL QUICK? YES, MA'AM. OK, SO AFTER THE DOG PARK DEDICATION, I HAD TO USE THE RESTROOM BEFORE I WENT TO WORK, SO I WENT OVER AND JUMPED INTO OLD SOUTH AND I TOOK SEVERAL PICTURES WHILE I WAS THERE BECAUSE I HAD TO PARK IN THE PARKING LOT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THAT.

PARKING LOT HAS NEARLY 15 CARS PARKED IN IT ON A FRIDAY AT TEN FORTY FIVE IN THE MORNING.

NOBODY WAS IN THE PARK.

SO I HAVE A CONCERN THAT THIS IS GOING TO COST US 286 THOUSAND DOLLARS TO CREATE A PARKING LOT FOR THE BUSINESSES AROUND THERE.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT THEY ARE THERE.

I'M NOT TRYING TO NEGATE THEM, BUT JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE PARKING LOT THAT IS WEST.

IF I'M THINKING CORRECTLY WEST OF OLD SOUTH, THAT WAS FULL ALSO.

OK, SO PEOPLE WEREN'T PARKING THERE JUST TO PARK CLOSER.

IT WAS FULL ON THE WEST AND THE EAST SIDE.

AND NOW PEOPLE WERE PARKING IN THIS PARKING LOT.

SO ONCE WE PAVE IT, THEY'RE GOING TO BE MORE LIKELY TO PARK THERE AND WE WILL LOSE OUR PARKING FOR OUR PARK.

SURE. I THINK THAT THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO ADDRESS THAT.

ONE WOULD BE TO PUT UP SIGNAGE THAT THIS IS FOR PARK PATRONS.

THE BIG THING WOULD BE HOW DO WE ENFORCE THAT? THE SECOND THING IS PROGRAMING OF THE SPACE.

SO ON A FRIDAY MORNING AT 10 A.M., WE DON'T ANTICIPATE A LARGE USER GROUP WITHIN OUR PARKS BECAUSE KIDS ARE AT SCHOOL UNLESS IT'S THE HOLIDAY BREAK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO YOU'RE COMPLETELY CORRECT DURING THE DAY.

WE MAY HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO THAT AREA FOR ALL THOSE RESTAURANTS TO EAT LUNCH AND THEY MAY USE IT.

BUT IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY AFFECT OUR ABILITY TO HAVE PARK PATRONS UTILIZE THAT SPACE, BUT WE COULD PUT SIGNAGE.

WE CAN ALSO ENSURE THAT WE KNOW OUR PARK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY WOULD AT ANY PARK THAT THEY GO TO. THEY'RE GOING TO PARK IN THEIR PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE.

SO IF THERE'S PARKING ON THE WEST SIDE, THEY'RE GOING TO PARK THERE AND THAT WOULD PROVIDE AMPLE PARKING.

THE OTHER THING IS THIS AREA IS GETTING REALLY DEGRADED.

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OH, IT NEEDS. SO WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH I'M NOT AGAINST DOING IT.

I JUST WANT TO BRING THIS FORWARD TO MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAKE THEM VERY AWARE OF THIS, THAT IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE THAT ON A SATURDAY MORNING AS WELL WHEN FAMILIES WOULD WANT TO GO TO THE PARK.

AND I KNOW I'M NOT EXPECTING A POLICE OFFICER TO RUN THIS PARKING LOT AND WRITE TICKETS, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT WE NEED SIGNAGE AND WE CAN PRAY AND HOPE THAT SOME OF THE PATRONS WOULD AT LEAST GIVE US THE FIVE OR SIX THAT ARE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE PARK.

AND THEN MY QUESTION IS SO THE BROWN FENCE.

AND AGAIN, I HAVE ALL THESE PICTURES I'VE TAKEN.

IT HAS A SIGN IN IT THAT SAYS NO PARKING TOW AWAY ZONE AT VEHICLE AT THE OWNER'S EXPENSE.

WE DIDN'T PUT THOSE SIGNS THERE.

CORRECT. SO THAT CONCERNS ME.

WE'RE GOING TO CREATE A PARKING LOT AND THIS GUY'S GOT FOUR SIGNS ACROSS THERE THAT SAYS NOBODY CAN PARK THERE.

WELL, IT'S OUR FENCE.

IT'S ON OUR PROPERTY, SO WE CAN ADDRESS THAT.

OK, THANK YOU.

SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU GUYS AWARE OF THAT.

AGAIN, IT'S NOT A NO, IT'S JUST WE JUST NEED TO BE CONSCIOUS OF THIS, THAT THIS IS A PARK. WE JUST SPENT A LOT OF MONEY TO REFURBISH AND WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO USE IT.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

AND THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT WE DO HAVE PATRONS COMING TO THE PARK AND THEIR PARKING, PROBABLY IN PRIVATE PARKING THAT'S OVER THERE NOW.

SO IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF A MIXED BAG MAY HAVE SOME OF BOTH.

AND A LOT OF OUR PARK USERS, AS WE ANTICIPATED, ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE WAITING FOR A TABLE AT ONE OF THOSE RESTAURANTS SO THEY MAY PARK NEAR THE RESTAURANT AND THEN WALK OVER OR VICE VERSA. WHEN YOU WHEN YOU STICK AROUND THIS JOB, WE HAVE HERE LONG ENOUGH WEIRD STUFF HAPPENS AND YOU HAVE TO GET A LITTLE LAUGH ONCE IN A WHILE WHEN THIS OLD TOWN STATION DEVELOPMENT WAS BEING PLANNED, THEY CAME TO US AND WANTED US TO RENOVATE OUR PARK AS AN AMENITY TO THEIR DEVELOPMENT AND OFFERED TO PROVIDE THE PARKING IF WE DO THAT FOR THEM, AND THE COUNCIL DECLINED.

SO NOW WE HAVE RENOVATED THE PARK AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING THE PARKING LOT, WHICH THEY WILL USE MOST OF THE TIME.

SO WE HAVE GONE COMPLETELY 180 DEGREES FROM DOING A LITTLE BIT OF WORK TO HELP THEM.

NOW WE'RE DOING ALL OF THAT AT OUR OWN EXPENSE AND ADDING PARKING FOR IT.

MAYBE, BUT YOU KNOW, IT IS WHAT THEY ASKED FOR IN THE FIRST PLACE AND THEY GOT IT.

AND IT'S A NICE FACILITY.

I DON'T KNOW IF I HAD TO DO A RETROACTIVE PARKING AGREEMENT, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE REASONABLE TO ASK FOR ONE, IF THIS PARK IS SERVING THE PURPOSE TO ENHANCE THEIR RETAIL AND DINING EXPERIENCE LIKE THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD FROM THE OUTSET, THEN WHY THE HELL CAN'T WE GET THESE SIGNS TAKEN DOWN SO PEOPLE DON'T THINK THEY CAN PARK THERE OR THINK, DON'T THINK THAT THEY CAN'T PARK THERE? I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THESE SIGNS.

THESE SIGNS, I HATE THOSE THINGS, AND I'VE BEEN CAUGHT IN THAT TRAP, I HAD TO PAY $250 TO GET MY CAR BACK BECAUSE OF SOME LITTLE RED AND WHITE SIGN THAT WAS HIDDEN IN THE BUSHES DIDN'T HAPPEN HERE, BUT IT WAS THOSE LITTLE PARKING LOT TRAPS ARE JUST AWFUL.

AND THAT'S WHERE TAMARA WAS GOING.

IS THAT AN OPTION? COULD WE GO WITH A? IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN TALK, ESPECIALLY KNOWING THIS HISTORY NOW? THEY APPROACHED US AND ASKED AS AN ASSET TO THEIR DEVELOPMENT? IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN? DO WE HAVE ANY BARGAINING POWER IN SAYING, WE KNOW YOU USE THIS? WE FREQUENT THIS PARK.

IT'S DIFFERENT FROM ANY OTHER PARK WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

THE ONLY THING I WISH IS IT HAD SWINGS, BUT IT'S DIFFERENT.

IT HAS DIFFERENT CLIMBING THINGS.

IT'S JUST IT'S A CUTE LITTLE PARK.

IT WAS VERY WELL DONE.

PARKING IS A NECESSITY.

THAT MAKESHIFT PARKING A LOT LIKE PEOPLE PARK ALL CRAZY BECAUSE THERE AREN'T LINES.

IT'S POTHOLES AND DANGEROUS.

AND WE'VE YOU SLIDE ON THE GRAVEL BECAUSE IT'S LOOSE.

SO WE'VE HAD SOME SKINNED KNEES.

SO SOMETIMES I PARK IN THAT LOT THAT FACES AND THAT'S PRIVATE, BUT I PARK OVER THERE BECAUSE IT'S A PARKING SPOT DESIGNATED AND THEN WE JUST IT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE BEANBAG TOSS. BUT ANYWAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF IF THERE'S ANY LEVERAGE IN SAYING, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO PAVE THAT LOT AND WE KNOW YOUR PATRONS USE IT.

MAYOR, YOU'RE GOOD AT NEGOTIATING WITH BUSINESSES FOR THINGS.

LOOK AT ME TAPPING MY FINGERS AND SAYING.

HERE'S THE DEAL. ALL WE GOT TO DO IS GO TO REX AND SAYING, WOULD YOU GIVE US THREE SPOTS? AND REX WOULD DO IT ALL WE GOT TO DO, AND I FOUND OUT HERE LATELY.

OKAY. I MEAN, YOU WON'T.

IT'S OUR PARKING LOT. I'M CONFUSED.

WHY WOULD WE ASK FOR PARKING SPOTS? WE'RE LOOKING FOR PAY IN DEDICATED PARKING PLACES FOR THE PARK.

OK, WE'RE LOOKING FOR YOU TO GO AND SEE WHAT WE CAN GET ON FROM THE BUSINESSES TO CHIP IN

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TO HELP US BUILD A PARKING LOT THAT'S GOING TO BENEFIT THEM SINCE WE JUST BUILT A NEW PLAYGROUND TO GO BACK TO WHAT DAN SAID, LIKE, WHY CAN'T WE GO BACK NOW AND SAY, I KNOW IT'S HARD, IT'S RETROACTIVE, BUT.

I'M GOING TO ADD A LITTLE BIT OF COLOR HERE JUST BECAUSE IT CAN'T.

WE CAN'T GO TO REX OR JUST THE BUSINESSES BECAUSE IT'S NOT OWNED BY THEM.

IT'S ROBERT DOWELL THAT OWNS THE BUILDINGS AND THE PARKING LOT, SO WE'D HAVE TO GO TOWARDS HIM. BUT HE ALSO OWNS PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF THE PARK THAT HE IS GOING TO DEVELOP AT SOME TIME.

SO THERE'S OTHER PHASES TO THIS OLD TOWN STATION THAT'S COMING.

DAN'S RIGHT. I MEAN, THEY CAME TO US, IF WE REDEVELOPED THE PARK, THEY WERE GOING TO MAKE SURE THE PARKING LOT WAS TAKEN CARE OF WITH THE PARK.

I THINK IT'S NOT OUTSIDE THE BOX TO SAY YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD PUT SIGNS THERE, THE SIGNS TAKEN OFF THE FENCE.

GOOD LUCK DEALING WITH BARRY.

BUT YEAH, SO I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ROBERT DOWELL AND MAYBE MARK FIVE OR SIX SPOTS IN THE NEW PARKING LOT TO SAY PARK PATRONS ONLY OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. BUT LIKE BRYAN SAID, COULD COME BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANT PATRONS ONLY FOR THE PRIVATE PARKING LOT.

SO WE WANT TO BE A GOOD PARTNER.

SO JUST COMING UP WITH A SOLUTION FOR THAT.

THE REASON I BRING UP REX IS HE'S USUALLY THE VOICE FOR ROBERT, OK? AND HE DOES, AND HE PUTS HIM IN A SPOT.

BUT EVERY TIME I'VE TALKED TO HIM, HE GOES TO MR. DOWELL AND SAYS, HELLO.

SO, YEAH, AND THEY'RE A GREAT PARTNER.

I MEAN, WE THEY TOOK CARE OF THE LIGHTING.

THEY PAY THE BILL ON THAT.

IT'S NEEDED TO GO BACK TO THEM NOW AND SAY, WE WANT TO CHANGE THE DEAL.

I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.

I MEAN, I WISH I HAD KNOWN MORE ABOUT THE THE HISTORY OF THIS BECAUSE IT COULD HAVE BEEN USED AT THAT POINT.

TELL HIM, I'LL TAKE BACK HALF OF WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING ABOUT HIS PALM TREES.

I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ALL BACK.

SO THAT'S AN INSIDE.

THAT'S AN INSIDE JOKE. DON'T KNOW.

DIDN'T THEY DIE DURING THE STORM? THEY ALL DIED. THANK GOD. DID WE NOT FIGHT OVER THOSE PALM TREES, RONNIE? OH MY GOD. I THINK THAT PASSED BY A FOUR THREE SPLIT VOTE.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, I'M SORRY, WE GET SOME CORRECTION ON THIS, SO? WE STILL NEED DIRECTION, AS FAR AS, YES, DO WE APPROVE THIS RIGHT? YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT ANSWER FROM US.

YEAH. PARKING.

I CAN'T IMAGINE WE HAVE PARKS WITHOUT PARKING.

AND DO WE WANT TO DESIGNATE SIGNAGE? DO WE WANT TO COME UP WITH SOME FORM OF AGREEMENT? I THINK THAT AT LEAST THOSE THAT ARE LINED AGAINST THE PARK SHOULD SAY PARK PATRONS ONLY.

AND THEN WE HAVE TO GET THOSE SIGNS REMOVED OFF THAT FENCE.

I'D BE CONTENT TO LEAVE THINGS AS THEY ARE AND JUST TAKE THE SIGNS DOWN UNLESS THERE'S JUST NO PARKING AVAILABLE WHEN OUR PARK USERS ARE THERE.

I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO PUT A SIGN UP, YOU'VE GOT TO BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T, THEN THERE'S YOU DON'T EVEN PUT THE THOUGHT IN SOMEONE'S MIND TO CONSIDER THAT IT'S FOR THE PARK.

THEY WILL JUST AUTOMATICALLY PARK THERE.

NOW, IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

BUT AND IT'S NOT A HUGE PARK, YOU KNOW, FIVE FIVE SPOTS IS FINE, BUT WE'VE GOT TO AT LEAST PUT SOMETHING THERE THAT SAYS, HEY, WE'RE HOLDING THIS FOR OUR FAMILIES TO COME PLAY AT THIS PARK.

SO ARE YOU GOING TO TOW THEM OFF? NO, IT'S NOT.

I'M NOT. THAT'S THE PROBLEM, RIGHT? IT'S ALL SUGGESTIVE.

IT'S ALL. LET'S BE GOOD CITIZENS.

IT'S NOT ABOUT CAN WE TOW THEM OFF? WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR A TOW AWAY ZONE SIGN.

IT JUST SAYS PARK PATRONS ONLY RIGHT IN THOSE SPOTS IN FRONT OF THE PARK.

CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? IF YOU DON'T DO IT, DAN, THEY WILL PARK THERE ALL DAY.

MY CONCERN WITH PUTTING UP SIGNAGE IS THAT YOU PUT AN EXPECTATION ON THE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA AND WITH SIGNAGE THAT SAYS NOBODY CAN PARK THERE UNLESS THEY'RE IN THE PARK, YOU'RE GOING TO GET SOMEBODY THAT'S GOING TO BE WATCHING WITH THEIR BINOCULARS OR WHATEVER AND SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT? SO-AND-SO IS NOT PARKING.

LET ME BLOW UP CODE ENFORCEMENT.

LET ME BLOW UP ANYBODY I CAN, AND THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO BE A THORN IN THE SIDE OF ONE OF OUR CITY OFFICES.

I ASSURE YOU, I'VE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD.

GUYS. THE WAY THESE THINGS WORK IS WHEN THE TOWING COMPANY CONTRACTS WITH THEM TO POLICE THEIR PARKING FOR THEM.

THE TOWING COMPANY HAS PEOPLE ON SITE THAT ARE WATCHING TO SEE WHO PARKS AND WHEN SOMEBODY PARKS THERE THAT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE, THEN THEY CALL THE TOWING COMPANY AND SAY, HEY, WE GOT ONE.

THEY COME PICK THE CAR UP AND IMPOUND IT, AND THEN YOU GET TO PAY YOUR 250 DOLLARS CHARGE FOR NOT SEEING THAT STUPID LITTLE SIGN DOWN IN THE BUSHES.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE THIS THING WORK OUT ANYWAY, I WOULD TAKE AWAY ALL THE RESTRICTED PARKING SO THEY GET RID OF YOUR SIGNS.

WE WON'T PUT SIGNS UP ON OURS.

WE'LL JUST MAKE SURE THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING PLACES FOR BOTH THE PARK USERS AND THE RETAIL AND RESTAURANT CUSTOMERS.

AND LET'S BE GOOD FRIENDS, BUT STOP SCARING PEOPLE AWAY WITH YOUR STUPID SIGNS AND WE

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WON'T PUT SIGNS UP EITHER.

WE'RE GOING TO PUT UP SIGNS TO PROTECT 20 PARKING SPACES IN AN AREA WHERE WE PROBABLY NEVER NEED MORE THAN FOUR OR FIVE.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I GUESS WE'RE I'M NOT BEING CLEAR.

I DON'T WANT ANY TOW AWAY SIGNS.

I JUST WANT A SIMPLE SIGN RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE PARK.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PARK. THERE'S FIVE SPOTS.

THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE CLOSEST TO THE HIGHWAY.

MOVING IN THAT, SAYS CLARK PARK PATRONS, IT'S A SUGGESTIVE SIGN.

IT'S NOT A WE'RE GOING TO TOW YOU AWAY.

CALL CODE ENFORCEMENT.

YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO THE DEEPEST ENDS, BUT IF YOU WANT TO WAIT TILL THAT PARKING LOT COMPLETELY FULL TO THEN PUT A SIGN UP BECAUSE WE START GETTING COMPLAINTS FROM THE FAMILIES WHO CAN'T TAKE THEIR KIDS TO THE PARKS.

YOU GUYS ARE. IT'S FIVE PARKING SPOTS OUT OF 20.

12 TO 20. YEAH, YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR ENFORCEMENT.

WE'RE LOOKING FOR GOOD CITIZENRY.

I HAVE A TWO HOUR PARKING SIGN IN TWENTY FIVE SPOTS RIGHT ACROSS FROM MY BUILDING IN FIVE AND A HALF YEARS. NO ONE'S EVER BEEN TOWED, EVER.

IT'S A SUGGESTED SIGN.

WE HAVE THEM ALL OVER TOWN WITH SUGGESTED SIGNS.

NOW THIS TOW AWAY ZONE SIGN THAT THIS PRIVATE CITIZEN HAS ON OUR FENCE, THAT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT BALL GAME.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THAT IS, IT'S A HARSH SIGN.

THEN THERE'S FOUR OF THEM ON THERE THAT SAYS, IF YOU PARK HERE, YOU WILL BE TOWED.

AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT SAME SYSTEM TO PUT THAT SIGN UP IS THE SAME ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE BOTHERING CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

WELL, IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A TOW AWAY ZONE AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF, I DON'T KNOW.

THERE'S NO ENFORCEMENT OF IT BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC PARKING LOT.

THEN IT GIVES THE INSINUATION THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE ONE OF THOSE BIG BANNERS.

AND THEN WHEN YOU DRIVE THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS CLARK PARK, AND THE PARKING IS AN ADDITIONAL AREA OF THE PARK.

BECAUSE BELIEVE IT OR NOT, SOME PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY THEY WON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT WHEN THEY PULL IN THERE, HONESTLY, THEY'LL JUST PULL IN AND GO.

HOPEFULLY, THEY'LL SEE IT.

AND THEN YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME THAT WON'T AND THEY'LL PARK THERE ANYWAY, JUST LIKE THAT TWO HOUR PARKING SO THAT THE PEOPLE WHO WORK AT ESPERANZA AND ALL THE RESTAURANTS AROUND MY BUSINESS DON'T PARK THERE.

AND GUESS WHAT? I SEE WAIT STAFF PARKED THERE ANYWAY.

I'M NOT CALLING.

WHEN DO WE NEED TO COME TO A FINALITY ON THIS? SO IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT TODAY, I'LL JUST BRING YOU GUYS A DESIGN CONTRACT. OK, LET'S GO BACK TO THAT.

OK? SO START THERE AND WE CAN TALK SIGNAGE.

DAN, RONNIE? I'M MARKING YOU ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SIGNAGE.

I'M SOMEWHAT CONCERNED ABOUT SPENDING10-15 THOUSAND DOLLARS A SLOT ON A PARKING SPOT WHERE WHAT HAVE YOU GOT? MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE KIDS GO OUT THERE AND PLAY, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT THAN I AM.

ABOUT THE DAMN SIGNS, I'LL TELL YOU, WELL, THAT'S WHY IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY, THEN WE BETTER MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SPOTS FOR OUR PEOPLE TO GO TO THE PARK.

IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY.

I SUPPOSE IT'S.

I THINK WHAT YOU THINK YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED TO LEARN HOW MUCH MORE IT IS UTILIZED NOW THAT THE EQUIPMENT IS UPDATED.

YEAH, THERE ALWAYS FAMILIES, AND IT MAY JUST BE WHEN THEY'RE WAITING TO EAT AT A RESTAURANT. WE'VE DONE THAT.

WE GO THERE AFTER SCHOOL.

MY CHILD [INAUDIBLE].

SO AFTER SCHOOL WE PLUG RIGHT OVER THERE AND THERE ARE SEVERAL FAMILIES PLAYING AFTER SCHOOL. AND I MEAN, IT'S JUST A GREAT PARK.

THEY REALLY DID A GOOD JOB, AND I THINK IT'S A LOT MORE USED THAN WHAT IT USED TO BE.

AND YOU VERY WELL MIGHT BE RIGHT.

I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE WITH YOU ABOUT THAT.

I THINK WE'RE BEATING HER HEADS AGAINST THE WALL ON SIGNAGE.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PARK OVER THERE, NO MATTER WHAT.

WE PUT 15 FRIGGING SIGNS UP, THEY'RE STILL GOING TO PARK OVER THERE.

I DON'T CARE.

TAMARA, I'M FINE WITH PUTTING ASIDE, SIGN UP.

IT'S NOT BAD.

IT'S JUST THAT WE'RE UP AGAINST THE WALL HERE.

WE CAN PUT, LET'S PUT THE SIGN UP AND BE DONE WITH IT.

I WAS JUST MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE COST.

BUT IF THAT PARK IS BRINGING IN KIDS, THAT'S FINE WITH ME, THEN.

I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO ASK FAMILIES TO COME TO THIS BEAUTIFUL PARK, BUT WE DON'T TECHNICALLY HAVE PARKING FOR IT.

THAT'S JUST A GRAVELLY AREA.

IT'S NOT EVEN A LOT. THERE ARE NO LINES.

LIKE I SAID, IT'S JUST LIKE BROKEN PIECES OF CONCRETE, YOU KNOW, FROM OVER TIME.

I THINK AT ONE POINT IT MAY HAVE BEEN AN EXTENSION OF A PARKING LOT, BUT IT'S GRAVELLY.

IT'S JUST NOT IDEAL.

AND I CAN'T IMAGINE IF I HAD A CHILD IN THAT NEEDED MOBILITY ASSISTANCE, TRYING TO GET

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OUT AND GET TO THE GREEN SPACE THAT WE HAVE ASTRO TURF.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST NOT EASY.

IT'S NOT EASY TO GET OUT AND ABOUT UNLESS IF YOU HAVE ANY, IF YOU HAVE ANY MOBILITY ISSUES AND KIND OF GOING BACK TO WHAT DAN AND EVERYBODY SAID AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS, YOU KNOW, THEY WANTED TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE CITY.

THEY WANTED A PARTNERSHIP.

WE PUT THE PARK IN.

I DON'T SEE ANY REASON. WE CAN'T, NOT TELL THEM THEY HAVE TO DO ANYTHING, BUT JUST GO TO THEM POLITELY AND SAY, HEY, WE REVAMP THE PARK.

WE SPENT A TON OF MONEY ON THE PARK.

WHY, YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU ALL BE WILLING TO HELP CHIP IN FOR THE PARKING? I'M WITH YOU ALL.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT CONVERSATION WENT, BUT I DON'T SEE WHY WE GOT TO FUND THE 286 THOUSAND WITHOUT AT LEAST ASKING.

I MEAN, THEY MAY TELL US NO, AND IF THEY TELL US NO, THEN OK.

BUT I DON'T THINK IT HURTS TO ASK.

IS IT OK IF I GO TALK TO REX? WELL, I THINK THIS IS CITY OWNED LAND.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF AGREEMENT WHERE THERE WOULD BE A PARKING LEASE AGREEMENT THAT IF THEY WANTED TO CONTRIBUTE TO IT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO TRY TO NEGOTIATE THAT FOR THE CITY.

I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF LEVERAGE, YOU KNOW, TO ASK FOR OUR LEVERAGE.

BUT BUT I CAN CERTAINLY ASK THE QUESTION WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE? AND THAT MAY LEAD TO THE SIGNAGE DISCUSSION THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE PUBLIC PARKING.

SO IF YOU'RE OPEN TO THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO TRY TO INITIATE THAT TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH PARTICIPATION I CAN GET AND BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME TYPE OF AGREEMENT THAT THEY'D HAVE A RIGHT TO THE SPACES ON OUR LAND.

THERE'S NO LEVERAGE.

THERE'S NOT NOT IT'S THERE.

AND I THINK THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS IF WE WERE TO BUILD ANY PARK, WE RECOMMEND YOU PUT PARKING IN WITH IT.

I MEAN, THAT'S I THINK THAT'S THE THING IS PARKING IS HAPPENING THERE.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF PARKING ISSUES WITH PEOPLE COMPLAINING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE PARK.

I THINK THAT'S THAT'S FINE RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS JUST TRYING TO IMPROVE THAT SPACE AND MAKE IT NICE NEXT TO THE PARK.

THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE YOU'D HAVE IS JUST TURFING THAT AREA AND JUST JUST MOVING ON, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE PARKING FOR A LOCATION.

AND SO THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S THE ISSUE IS THAT YOU BUILT A PARK WITHOUT ANY KIND OF PARKING AMENITY. IT'S A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IT'S ALSO GOOD FAITH THE FACT THAT THAT ROBERT'S WANTING TO DEVELOP THE REST OF THAT LAND DOWN THROUGH THERE.

WELL, AND ROBERT'S GOING TO NEED PARKING WHEN HE DOES.

AND IF HE TURNS IT ALL INTO BUILDINGS, THEN HE DOESN'T HAVE PLACES TO PARK UNLESS HE BUYS OUT OTHER PROPERTIES.

I'M LOOKING AT IT ON AN AERIAL PHOTO, AND THAT COULD BE IF WE DON'T SPEND THIS MONEY NOW, THAT COULD WIND UP BEING A BARGAINING TOOL WHENEVER ROBERT COMES FORWARD BECAUSE WE COULD OFFER TO PARK HIS NEW FACILITY THERE OR APPLY OUR PARKING TO HIS PREVIOUSLY BUILT FACILITY SO THAT HE CAN TAKE THE MORE REMOTE PARTS OF WHAT HE'S ALREADY BUILT AND COUNT THAT TOWARDS HIS PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR HIS NEW BUILDINGS.

WE GOT ROOM TO WIGGLE THERE.

AND I THINK THAT I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT I THINK PEOPLE THAT NEED TO USE THE PARK ARE FINDING PLACES TO PARK NOW AS THEY ARE.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO DO THIS.

BUT IF WE WAIT UNTIL ROBERT DECIDES TO GO FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF HIS PROPERTY FURTHER NORTH BETWEEN SCOTT AND THE HIGHWAY, THEN HE'LL NEED THAT PARKING.

AND AT THAT POINT, WE CAN PROBABLY GET HIM TO PAY IT IF WE GIVE HIM THE USE OF IT AND PUT A CONDITION IN THERE THAT WE CAN USE IT FOR OUR PARK PATRONS.

YOU KNOW, THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT CAN HAPPEN IN THAT AREA IS THE CHURCH COULD SELL OUT AND REDEVELOP, OR THE CHURCH COULD SUDDENLY GET A BURST OF ENERGY AND BECOME A HUGE CHURCH, IN WHICH CASE WE'D BE BUILDING A CHURCH PARKING LOT.

AND THAT WOULD PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, BE BE USED MORE BY THEM.

THE OTHER PROPERTIES AROUND THERE, THE HISTORIC HOME, RENFRO, CLARK HOME, IT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE THAT'LL BE THERE FOR ANOTHER HUNDRED YEARS.

SO THIS IS GOING TO BE A PARKING LOT SOONER OR LATER.

I'M JUST THINKING THAT THE BEST WAY TO MAKE IT A PARKING LOT IS TO WAIT AND LET THE PRIVATE SECTOR CONTRIBUTE.

AND LET'S KEEP OUR $300,000 IN OUR POCKET AND USE IT FOR SOMETHING ELSE.

ALL RIGHT. THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'M AT ON IT.

SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO DERAIL THIS.

SO THIS IS THE FIRST ONE TODAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT DIRECTION ARE WE GOING? WHAT IS THE DIRECTION? IS IT? WELL, I WAS GOING TO ASK ALEX WHEN THE TIME FRAME IS FOR THE.

A TIMELINE FOR A FUTURE PHASE IS MY UNDERSTANDING.

AND MAYBE ALEX CAN PROVIDE SOME COLOR TO THAT.

THERE'S NO IMMEDIATE PLANS IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE FOR HIM TO COME BACK WITH THE NEXT PHASE. SO I MEAN, IT COULD BE 10 YEARS FROM NOW, IT COULD BE TWO YEARS FROM NOW.

BUT IT'S JUST, THERE'S NO PLANES WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY DISCUSSIONS OF, LIKE WHAT IT'S GOING

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TO BE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

AND THEY'RE NOT OUT OF THE WOODS ON THE LABOR SHORTAGE AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF AND SUPPLY CHAIN JUNK AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF.

SO IT COULD BE A WHILE.

I JUST THINK THERE'S PARKING RIGHT AROUND THERE.

I MEAN, I'VE LOOKED AT THE PHOTOS ON MY MAP.

THERE'S PARKING. IT MAY NOT BE RIGHT NEXT TO THE PARK, BUT I MEAN, THERE IS THE PARKING RIGHT NEXT TO THE PARK. THAT'S NOT PERFECT.

OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S WHAT THE 286 IS FOR, BUT WE CAN START.

I MEAN, THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING.

I JUST THINK I'M THINKING, WE WAIT.

AND I DO WANT TO BE FULLY TRANSPARENT.

IT'S NOT JUST THAT WE WANTED TO PAVE THIS AREA SO THAT THERE ARE THERE'S POTHOLES UP THERE. THERE'S SOME DRAINAGE ISSUES.

NOT ADDRESSING THIS AT ALL RIGHT NOW IS AN ISSUE.

THIS CORNER RIGHT HERE SPECIFICALLY IS FALLING, RIGHT.

IT DOES FALL FORWARD BECAUSE I WALK, YOU KNOW, I WALKED OVER TO USE THE LADIES ROOM AND I DID LOOK AROUND AND TAKE THE FULL PICTURES, BUT I'M WITH YOU.

I UNDERSTAND I'M NOT CRAZY ON SPENDING $300000 ON A PARKING LOT THAT, YOU KNOW, GOT CHEWED UP BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY DID HERE.

AND I LIKE DAN'S IDEA OF LEVERAGE FOR SURE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW.

AND BY THE WAY, I'M SORRY BECAUSE I STARTED ALL THIS.

NO, I THINK I DID, BUT ANYWAY, I MEAN, I'M FOR THE PARKING LOT.

IT'S AN EYESORE.

IT'S GOT PROBLEMS. WE'RE GOING TO PATCH IT TO FIX THE PROBLEMS WE GOT.

THEN I'M GOING TO BE PAYING MORE LATER ON.

I SAY WE GET IT DONE.

IT'S HORRIBLE.

WE GOT. THAT'S OUR MAIN ENTRANCE INTO OLD TOWN AND WE GOT JUNK ON THE ACCESS ROAD IN THERE THAT. WELL, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE IS A MAJORITY OF YOU THAT ARE IN FAVOR MOVING FORWARD IS WHAT I'M SEEING.

WE CAN CERTAINLY CONTINUE TO BRING THIS BACK AND FUTURE SIPS.

WE WANTED TO SEE IF YOU WANTED TO ADD THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK I'VE SEEN THE MAJORITY OF YOU WANT TO DO IT UNLESS I'M WRONG.

WELL, I THINK IT'S KIND OF UP IN THE AIR.

HOW MANY? HOW MANY TIMES IS THIS PLACE ACTUALLY FILLED UP? YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD HELP IF WE HAD A NUMBER OF SAYING IT AND AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WAITING FOR A PARKING PLACE TO USE THE PARK? I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW THOSE NUMBERS.

WELL, WE DID GET SOME INFORMATION WHEN WE DID SOME OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WHEN WE WERE BUILDING THE AMENITIES.

I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T REMEMBER THOSE NUMBERS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, JANET, BUT WE DID NOT DO THAT.

DO YOU THINK IT IS? YEAH, WE DIDN'T DO PARKING LOT ANALYSIS, BUT WE DID ASK HOW MANY TIMES PEOPLE FREQUENT THIS PARK.

AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE RESPONDENTS TO THIS SURVEY STATED THAT THEY WERE THERE AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK. AND THEN THAT'S NOT COUNTING THE PEOPLE THAT JUST USE IT AS THEY'RE COMING TO THE RESTAURANT RETAIL AREAS.

SO IT'S FULL MOST NIGHTS AND USUALLY AT LUNCH AS WELL.

I THINK THERE'S THAT PORTION OF THE DISCUSSION AND WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IMAGE OF THE COMMUNITY BEFORE WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE SOFTBALL FIELDS.

I THINK FOR OUR STANDPOINT, WE HAVE A NICE AMENITY WE JUST INVESTED IN AND THE IMAGE DOESN'T LOOK GOOD WITH THE PARKING LOT THAT'S NEXT TO IT.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING FOR YOU TO THINK ABOUT, AND WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE IF THE MAJORITY OF YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD OR NOT.

BUT IF WE HAD TO DO THIS OVER AGAIN, I DON'T THINK WE'D EVER BUILD A PARK WITHOUT A PARKING LOT NEXT TO IT FROM THE BEGINNING.

SO WHERE DO WE STAND ON THIS? BRING IT BACK TO US? SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING? I'M ASKING YOU, WHAT DO WE DO? WE DO, WE BRING BACK LATER.

AND THAT'S IT. YOU AND I ARE IN THE MINORITY.

OH, YOU'RE STILL ON THE FENCE. I'M OK WITH.

I DO BELIEVE WE NEED TO TO PAVE IT.

I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, THE SIGNS ARE ISSUE.

AND I MEAN, I WANT SOMEONE TO GO GET THOSE SIGNS OFF THAT FENCE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

THAT IS. WHERE DO YOU STAND, JIMMY? IF WE MOVE FORWARD PAVING IT, I STILL DON'T SEE WHY WE CAN'T GO, HAVE A DISCUSSION BEFOREHAND AND SEE IF THIS NUMBER SHRINKS.

I MEAN, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH $300,000.

AND I'M JUST BEING HONEST WITH YOU.

I AGREE. DAN MICHAEL.

NO, I'VE ALREADY STATED I WANT TO HOLD OFF ON REPAVING THE PARKING LOT AND SEE IF IT BECOMES PART OF A DEVELOPMENT.

SO WE'RE GOING TO WAIT ON YOU TO GO TALK TO HIM AND USE THAT LEVERAGE.

YOU GOT BRYAN GLAD TO DO THAT.

NICE AS I CAN AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.

AND IF WE NEED TO FIX POTHOLES, WE HAVE A CREW THAT DOES THAT SOMEWHAT LESS.

YEAH, AND MAYBE THAT'S THE NEXT STEP.

JUST FIX IT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A WHILE BEFORE IT GETS REPAIRED.

ANYWAY, IT GETS REBUILT.

EVENTUALLY, IT'LL BE A WHILE.

OK, SO NO, NOT REALLY.

OK. THAT'S FINE.

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ALL RIGHT. OAK VALLEY SOUTH.

IT'S FINE. OK.

OAK VALLEY SOUTH. THIS IS THE ADDITION OF FOUR HUNDRED SQUARE YARDS OF TRAIL THAT CONNECTS OAK VALLEY SOUTH TO OAK VALLEY TRAIL.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT, BUT BEING ABOUT 133 THOUSAND, TAKING ABOUT SIX MONTHS AND USING FOUR DEBT TO FUND THIS, AND I'LL SHOW YOU WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THIS NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS IS HIDDEN CREEK PARKWAY.

THIS IS HER DRIVE THAT WE PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE ABANDONED.

THAT DIDN'T OCCUR. AND SO THE FORMER PLANS FOR THIS PROJECT WAS TO CREATE A TRAIL CONNECTION THROUGH HERE TO CONNECT US TO OAK VALLEY TRAIL FROM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT HERE. SO NOW WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ADDING THIS.

WE'VE HAD SOME CITIZENS REQUESTS THAT WE CONNECT THESE TWO AREAS.

ARE YOU GOING UNDER THE BRIDGE TO DO THAT OR? NO. NOW YOU GO TO THE LIGHT AND THERE'S A BUNCH OF KIDS THAT CROSS IT.

THERE'S A LITTLE PATH RIGHT THERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT CUTS IN, AND IT'S JUST WHAT IS IT CALLED? IT'S NOT NOT A WETLAND, BUT IT'S JUST GREEN SPACE THAT THEN THERE'S THE CREEK, RIGHT? YES.

SO THERE'S A BUNCH OF KIDS THAT USE THAT LITTLE WALK, USE THE GREEN SPACE.

IT'S JUST NOT PAVED. SO BASICALLY, THIS IS JUST ASKING TO PAVE AND HAVE A CONNECTOR FOR THAT PART OF OAK VALLEY TO THE TRAILS.

AND THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY LIKE A 2017-2018 PROJECT BEFORE CIP WAS EVER DEVELOPED.

AND BECAUSE OF THAT THOUGHT OF ABANDONING HEARST, IT JUST NEVER MOVED FORWARD.

SO WE'RE BRINGING IT BACK BECAUSE PEOPLE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO COME AND THEN IT NEVER DID.

IT MIGHT ALSO REDUCE SOME OF THE KIDS THAT ARE STAYING ON HIDDEN CREEK TO GET TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. [INAUDIBLE].

THERE'S A CUT THROUGH. THERE'S A CUT THROUGH AND THEN THEY'RE GOING SAFELY INTO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD INSTEAD OF STAYING ON BUSY HIDDEN CREEK.

ARE YOU? THERE'S THE SCHOOL IS UP IN THE RIGHT HAND, TOP CORNER, TOP LEFT CORNER.

SORRY, I WAS LIKE, OH, STOP LA.

THE SCHOOL IS SITTING RIGHT OVER THERE.

I THINK I GET WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO AND I SUPPORT IT.

I JUST WANT TO SEE HOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT.

YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO GET THEM FROM VALLEY RIDGE ROAD UP ACROSS WHAT'S THE CURVY LINE SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT? WHAT IS THAT? THIS IS HIDDEN CREEK.

OK, AND WHERE'S HURST ROAD.

HURST IS OVER HERE.

SO HOW ARE THEY GETTING ACROSS HIDDEN CREEK THAT LOOKS LIKE A? THEY'RE JUST GOING TO USE A CROSSWALK.

THERE'S A FOUR WAY STOP.

YEAH, LOTS OF TRAFFIC LIGHT NOW.

YEAH, YEAH. OK, SO ARE YOU GOING TO BRING THEM ACROSS THE DRAINAGE CHANNEL AND UP TO WE WILL HOLD THE CULVERT? YEP. WE'LL BUILD A CULVERT.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO UNDER HIDDEN CREEK OR NO.

THAT'S JUST A BOX CULVERT.

I DON'T THINK YOU CAN GO UNDER IT.

BUT SO YOU'RE GOING TO GO.

I BUILT THAT ROAD, BY THE WAY.

I THINK SO.

YOU'RE GOING TO COME OFF VALLEY RIDGE ROAD SOMEWHERE.

OK, SO WE'RE GOING TO GO THERE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE OR WHAT TO GET OVER THAT TO GET OVER THE CREEK? YEAH, IT'LL JUST BE A LITTLE MINI LOW WATER CROSSING.

IT'S TINY. WITH A LITTLE WATER ACROSS IT LIKE.

IT'LL BE AN AREA THAT DRAINS UNDERNEATH.

YEAH, OK. YEAH.

AND THEN YOU BRING THEM UP TO THE CORNER THERE.

AND YES, SIR, ARE YOU ALLOWING FOR THE ROUNDABOUT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THERE? THERE HAS BEEN A PLAN FOR ME.

NOW I'M MAKING A JOKE. PLEASE DON'T THROW ROCKS.

OK. I THINK THIS IS GREAT.

THERE'S NO WAY TO GET FROM THAT COMMUNITY OVER TO THE AREA.

WE'RE NOT CONNECTING NEEDS TO BE ONE.

SO, YEAH, BIG THUMBS UP ON THIS ONE.

I DIDN'T KNOW HOW YOU WERE GOING TO DO IT.

YEAH, BUT WE'RE NOT USING IT.

WE'RE GOING AROUND IT AND CONNECTING DIRECTLY TO THE INTERSECTION THERE.

THERE'S THERE'S PLENTY OF WIDTH AT THE INTERSECTION IN THE CROSSWALK ALREADY EXISTS.

IT'S PROTECTED BY THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL PHASE.

I GUESS I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE ACTUAL WALKWAY IS.

JUST COME DOWN ON PARALLEL TO? OFF OF VALLEY RIDGE AND THEN IT'LL COME.

AND WE HAVEN'T DONE FINAL DESIGN OF THIS YET.

SO YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'LL BRING A FINAL DESIGN CONTRACT TO YOU GUYS.

THIS IS JUST TO GET APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT.

SO ALL OF THESE THINGS WILL BE SCRUBBED DURING FINAL DESIGN.

WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH THIS, RIGHT? LET'S MOVE FORWARD.

ALL RIGHT. OK, CLAUDIA'S PLAYGROUND.

THIS IS A CURRENT YEAR PROJECT.

ORIGINALLY, WE PUT TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN THE BUDGET FOR THIS PARK AS JUST A RENOVATION OF PLAYGROUNDS, REPLACING SOME SMALL FURNITURE AND A FEW OTHER ITEMS AS WE DID OUR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT SURVEY.

AND WE REALLY SCRUB THIS. THIS WAS A LARGER PROJECT THAN WE WERE ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATING.

SO WE'VE DONE OUR FIRST PHASE OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.

WE HAVE SIX DIFFERENT CONCEPTS THAT ARE ALL UNDER THAT $400,000 BUDGET.

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IT'S LOOKING AT TAKING ABOUT SIX MONTHS.

IT'S PARK ZONE TWO, AND WE ARE LOOKING AT 4B DEBT FOR THIS AND IT SAYS TO 12 TO 20 PARKING SPACES. THAT'S WRONG. IT'S COMPLETELY REMOVING THE PLAYGROUND, ADDING SHADE, ADDING NEW FURNITURE, FIXING THE IRRIGATION ON SITE.

I COULD SHOW YOU CONCEPTS, BUT WE HAVE NOT APPROVED THOSE YET.

OK, SO YOU JUST SAID IT THAT THAT SAYS CLARKE PARK THERE.

YEAH, THAT'S WRONG.

I DIDN'T CHANGE A PROJECT DESCRIPTION THAT'S ON ME.

OK, SO CAN YOU GO THROUGH THE DESCRIPTION OF THIS ONE MORE TIME? YES. SO IT'S REPLACEMENT OF THE PLAYGROUND, REPLACEMENT OF THE SURFACING OF THE PLAYGROUND, ALL OF THE FURNITURE.

SO THE BENCHES, THE TRASH CANS, THE PICNIC TABLES WILL ALL BE REPLACED.

THE CITIZENS IN THIS AREA HAVE REQUESTED SOME TYPE OF TEEN OR FITNESS EQUIPMENT, SO SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE MULTI AGE GROUP INSTEAD OF JUST A PLAYGROUND.

SO WE'LL BE ADDING ONE OF THAT.

ALL OF OUR CONCEPTS INCLUDE EITHER FITNESS EQUIPMENT OR LIKE SOME TYPE OF SPORTS CORE OR SOMETHING SMALL THAT FITS WITHIN THIS FOOTPRINT, LANDSCAPE AND IRRIGATION IMPROVEMENTS, AS WELL AS SIGNAGE REPLACEMENTS.

SO ON THIS, I SEE THE ORIGINAL PROJECT BUDGET WAS 200,000.

DID THAT INCLUDE THE ESTIMATED COST OVERRUNS? THE ORIGINAL BUDGET FOR THIS WAS JUST TO REPLACE THE PLAYGROUND, REPLACE THE SURFACE, THE SUBSURFACE AND THE FIBER.

IT WAS NOT TO DO ALL OF THE OTHER PROJECT AMENITIES.

GOTCHA. OK, THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS ON CLAUDIA? ALL RIGHT, SO THIS ONE'S NEW.

SO LITTER REMOVAL SERVICES, WE HAVE OVER 110 PROPERTIES THAT REPRESENT ABOUT TWO HUNDRED AND SIXTY ACRES ON ALL OF OUR MOWING AND LANDSCAPE RIGHT AWAY AREAS.

AND ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES THAT WE CONTINUALLY HEAR ABOUT IS THERE'S A LOT OF GARBAGE.

PART OF THAT MAY BE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT WE DO TRASH.

PART OF IT MAY BE BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE TO THROW STUFF OUT THEIR WINDOWS.

MAYBE BECAUSE IT'S WINDY.

WHAT HAVE YOU? BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO WAS TO SAY, WHAT WOULD IT COST US TO TAKE CARE OF THAT AS AN ADDITIONAL SERVICE ANNUALLY TO HAVE LITTER IN ALL OF THESE AREAS THAT WE'RE MAINTAINING FOR MOWING AND LANDSCAPE A LITTER SERVICE COME THROUGH AND PICK UP LITTER ON THE SAME INTERVALS THAT WE MOW AND LANDSCAPE THESE AREAS.

SO THIS WOULD BE GROUND LITTER REMOVAL, REMOVAL OF LITTER WITHIN SIX FEET INTO THE WATER FROM AN EMBANKMENT. SO IF THERE'S A DRAINAGE DITCH OR LIKE WILLOW CREEK OR BAY LAKE, ANY OF THAT THEY'LL GO SIX FEET INTO THE WATER TO HANDLE THAT.

THEY'LL CHANGE OUT ANY TRASH RECEPTACLES IN AREAS THAT HAVE LANDSCAPING, AND WE HAVE TRASH RECEPTACLES THERE.

THEY'LL REMOVE BROKEN GLASS.

THEY'LL REMOVE SMALL AND FALLEN TREE LIMBS.

AND THIS IS HOW WE'RE BREAKING IT UP INTO TIERS.

SO TIER ONE WOULD BE TWO SERVICES PER WEEK, SO ONE HUNDRED AND FOUR SERVICES PER YEAR.

THIS WOULD BE HIGHLY PROGRAMED AREAS SUCH AS PARKS, CITY FACILITIES AND HIGH VISIBILITY RIGHT OF WAYS. WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING HIGH VISIBILITY RIGHT AWAY IS JUST LIKE WHEN WE BROUGHT MOWING TO YOU GUYS, THAT WOULD BE 174 RENFRO, ALSBURY, JON JONES, ALL OF OUR BIGGER ROADS THAT WE FEEL LIKE HAVE A LOT OF HIGH VISIBILITY TRAFFIC.

TIER TWO WOULD BE ONE SERVICE PER WEEK, SO FIFTY TWO SERVICES PER YEAR, THIS IS MODERATELY VISIBLE PROPERTIES, MEDIANS AND RIGHT WAYS.

AND THEN TIER THREE, WHICH WOULD BE BIWEEKLY, WHICH IS ACTUALLY DOUBLE WHAT WE MOW IN THOSE PROPERTIES.

SO TWICE A MONTH, PEOPLE WOULD GO OUT AND PICK UP ALL THE GARBAGE IN THE AREAS THAT JUST LOOK REALLY BAD.

AND IT REALLY WILL HELP WITH OUR MOWING BECAUSE SINCE WE ONLY MOW THOSE ON A 30 DAY CYCLE, THERE'S A LOT OF LITTER THAT ACCUMULATES IN THOSE AREAS BEFORE WE MOW AND WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME PICKING IT UP. OR HONESTLY, IT GETS MULCH A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE'RE MOWING.

SO THOSE ARE THE THREE TIERS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE LITTER REMOVAL CONDUCTED PRIOR TO MOWING SERVICES, SO MOWING SERVICES WILL STILL BE REQUIRED TO PICK UP BIG PIECES OF TRASH BEFORE THEY MOW.

SAME THING WITH LANDSCAPE, THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL SERVICE.

AND THE ANNUAL SERVICE COSTS YOU CAN SEE UP IN THE TOP LEFT CORNER IS ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS.

IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE DID RESEARCH ON? HOW DID YOU COME TO US NEEDING THIS? SO IT'S BEEN ONE OF THE THINGS, HONESTLY, SINCE I'VE STARTED AND PROBABLY WAY PRIOR TO MY ARRIVAL THAT WE'RE CONSTANTLY GETTING FEEDBACK.

IT LOOKS TRASHY ON THE MEDIA AND IT LOOKS TRASHY ON THE MEDIA AND THERE'S TRASH EVERYWHERE. THERE'S TRASH EVERYWHERE AND WE'RE LIKE, WELL, THEY PICK IT UP BEFORE THEY MOW, BUT THAT'S IT.

AND THEY'RE JUST PICKING UP THE BIG PIECES.

EVERYTHING ELSE STAYS.

AND SO WE WERE ASKED TO DO OUR HOMEWORK AND SEE WHAT IT WOULD COST US TO DO THIS.

SO WHEN WE DID MOWING AND LANDSCAPE, WE ALSO BID OUT LITTER SERVICES.

WE RECEIVED, I BELIEVE, FIVE BIDS ON ALL OF THESE AND HOW THEY'RE BROKEN UP.

THIS WAS WHAT STAFF FELT WAS THE BEST RECOMMENDATION IN THE WAY TO DO THIS.

WE TOOK ABOUT FIVE OTHER CITIES WHO DO THIS TYPE OF CONTRACTING AND KIND OF USE THEIRS AS A BASIS FOR HOW WE OUTLINE HOW WE'D LIKE TO DO SERVICES.

I APPRECIATE THIS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE OTHER BIDS, THOUGH I'D LIKE TO BEFORE I SAY YES ON 184 THOUSAND.

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I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHO THE OTHER COMPANIES ARE AND WHAT THEY BID.

AND WELL, AND WE WOULD BRING THAT FORWARD AS AN ACTUAL CONTRACT.

IT'S ACTUALLY MULTIPLE CONTRACTS.

WE WOULD AWARD THE DIFFERENT TIERS TO DIFFERENT VENDORS.

I BELIEVE IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY SO, WE WOULD BRING THE BID TO HAVE AND ALL OF THAT FORWARD. THIS IS JUST A GAUGE APPETITE ON IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PURSUING LITTER REMOVAL. GOTCHA.

YOU'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT CITY OWNED PROPERTIES WHEN YOU? YES, SIR. OK.

SO IS THIS GOING TO REPLACE THE TRASH [INAUDIBLE] THEN, OR ARE WE GOING DOWN DRAINAGE CHANNELS OR ARE WE JUST KNOW THIS WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO SO THE TRASH BASH THAT GOES THROUGH JESSE TATE AND ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES, THEY'LL STILL MANAGE ALL OF THOSE.

DO THE SAME THING. THIS IS.

YES, SIR. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS JUST ENHANCE THE APPEARANCE OF THE CITY IN GENERAL BY KEEPING TRASH FROM ACCUMULATING.

AND I'M FOR THAT.

THAT SOUNDS FINE. IS THERE GOING TO BE LIKE A STARTUP FEE ON THIS? BECAUSE I'M SURE THEY'RE GOING TO GET A LITTLE INUNDATED TO START WITH? NO, THIS IS THE ANNUAL SERVICE COST, SO THERE'S NO FRONT LOADED HAY TO GET IT TO WHERE WE WANT IT TO BE. IT'S GOING TO COST YOU THIS.

THEY'RE JUST GOING TO START CLEANING AND HOPEFULLY EVERY WEEK IT GETS BETTER AND BETTER.

ANYBODY AGAINST IT? LET'S GO. YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO BE THE HARD ONE.

ALL RIGHT. THAT'S OK.

ALL RIGHT. SO I WANT TO GIVE YOU GUYS JUST OUR EXISTING PROJECT, BUT OF COURSE, WE'VE ALREADY BROUGHT TO YOU GUYS.

SO CEMETERY DOG PARK AND SPLASH PAD HAVE ALL BEEN APPROVED BY ALL BUT JUST TO SHOW YOU, YOU KNOW, THESE WERE THE ORIGINAL BUDGETS FOR THESE PROJECTS AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION AWARDS WITH CONTINGENCY ARE LISTED BELOW THAT.

SO THAT TOTAL ADDITIONAL THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE CIP IS THE 454-60347.

AND THIS WAS WHAT WE STARTED WITH WHEN I STARTED A YEAR AGO.

IT WAS VERY SIMPLE, LAID IT OUT ONE WHOLE LOT ON IT AND IT WAS PRETTY CLEAN.

AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND I'M GOING TO WALK YOU GUYS THROUGH THIS BECAUSE IT LOOKS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. SO WHAT YOU SEE IS FISCAL YEAR 21 IS THE STUFF THAT WE ALREADY DID. IF YOU SEE MULTI YEARS OF A PROJECT, IT'S BECAUSE WE DID DESIGN IN ONE YEAR OR CONCEPT IN ONE YEAR AND THEN DESIGN IN THE NEXT YEAR AND THEN CONSTRUCTION AND THE NEXT YEAR. SO YOU'LL SEE A MULTI-YEAR PROJECT BUDGET.

JUST WE WANTED TO BREAK IT DOWN, SO YOU COULD SEE WHEN WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE ISSUING DEBT FOR THESE PROJECTS.

AND THEN THE TOTAL PROJECT BUDGET IS IN THE RIGHT HAND COLUMN.

SO FOR LAST YEAR, WHAT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON CEMETERY EXPANSION FIRE STATION 16, THE DOG PARK BAILEY LAKE LOW WATER CROSSING IS STILL IN DESIGN.

OAK VALLEY NATURAL TRAIL, INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE.

PRAIRIE TIMBERS.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS ARE IN THIS FISCAL YEAR BECAUSE WE'RE ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTING THEM THIS YEAR AND THEN MOVING INTO THIS FISCAL YEAR.

WE HAVE CHOSEN HOME BAILEY LAKE PARKING, SO WE'RE SHOWING 202 THOUSAND.

THAT IS THE THE DESIGN AWARD THAT WE'VE ALREADY COMPLETED, AND WE'RE ANTICIPATING ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTING THOSE IN NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

SPLASH PAD CONSTRUCTION WILL HAPPEN THIS YEAR.

SHANNON CREEK PARK THAT IS A PLACEHOLDER NUMBER FOR WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING THE FINAL DESIGN CONTRACT TO BE, AND THEN WE'RE ANTICIPATING CONSTRUCTION IN NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

VILLAGE CREEK TRAIL, THE 439, IS WHAT WE AWARDED FOR THE DESIGN OF THAT, AND THEN WE ANTICIPATE CONSTRUCTION ACTUALLY OCCURRING IN NEXT FISCAL YEAR, SO THAT'S BROKEN APART.

CINDY PARK IS STAYING THE SAME.

WE'RE STILL LEAVING THAT FIFTY THOUSAND ANNUALLY FOR UNPLANNED PARK IMPROVEMENTS.

CLARK PARK PARKING LOT IS ADDED TO THIS PROPOSAL.

OAK VALLEY IS NEXT YEAR.

OAK VALLEY SOUTH IS ADDED TO THIS AT ONE TWENTY ONE, SO THAT DOESN'T ACTUALLY INCLUDE THE CONTINGENCY THAT YOU SAW ON THE FORMER SLIDE.

THE PARK ANNEX FACILITY YOU'LL SEE ON HERE, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE'RE ISSUING DEBT FOR, BUT WE WANTED TO INCLUDE IT AS A CAPITAL ITEM BECAUSE YOU WILL SEE IT MOVING FORWARD AND IT'S ALL LISTED AS THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE HAVE A YEAR TO GET OUT.

SO THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE, LITTER ABATEMENT SERVICES YOU'LL SEE ON THERE AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THIS YEAR'S AWARD. AND THEN WE ADDED THREE PERCENT ESCALATION OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS IN CASE WE ENHANCE THOSE SERVICES ANNUALLY.

AND THEN THE LAST ONE WAS MOVING CLAUDIA'S PLAYGROUND FROM 200 TO 400,000.

JEN, THE ONE PROJECT ABOUT THE BAILEY AND CHISENHALL PARKING, I BELIEVE WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE DESIGN CONTRACT.

MY RECOLLECTION OF THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION ABOUT SOFTBALL PERHAPS MOVING TO CHISENHALL WAS THAT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS PARKING PLACE, THIS PARKING LOT MIGHT TAKE UP SPACES THAT MIGHT BE APPLICABLE SPACES TO THE SOFTBALL ACTIVITY.

HAS THAT BEEN TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT? SO THE DESIGN, THE WELL, THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN WE'RE JUST GETTING INTO FINAL.

WE HAD MOVED ALL OF THE PARKING DITCHES AND HALL TO THAT SOUTH END, HOPING THAT WE COULD FIT SOFTBALL TO COMPLETE THAT WAGON WHEEL.

ON THAT END, AFTER WE DID A LITTLE FURTHER RESEARCH, WE CAN'T GET 300 FOOT OUTFIELDERS THERE. WE COULD DO SMALLER FIELDS, BUT WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ABSORB THE SIZE FIELD WE WOULD NEED FROM HIDDEN CREEK INTO THAT SPACE.

SO THIS PARKING LOT CONSTRUCTION WILL PRECLUDE BUILDING SOFTBALL FIELDS?

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OK, DO WE HAVE A FALLBACK PLAN FOR HOW WE'D HANDLE SOFTBALL? WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES THAT WE COULD PUT IT AT.

IT DOESN'T FIT HERE. WE COULD PUT IT IN THE BACK 40 WHERE THE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS IS, BUT IT CHANGES ALL THEIR LOOPS AND THERE'S POWER LINES AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF AND THAT BACK 40. SO THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES BACK THERE AS WELL.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT AS WE BUILD OUT A COMMUNITY PARK, WHICH SHOULD FALL IN LINE ABOUT WHEN THAT ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD OCCUR FOR HIDDEN CREEK FRONTAGE TO REPLACE IT WITH THAT. SO IF YOU IF YOU LOOK ON THE PLAN, THE COMMUNITY PARK IS 3.5 MILLION.

IT'S AN ESTIMATE IN FY 26 THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE CIP.

THAT COULD BE A COMPONENT OF THAT IF WE IF WE WANTED TO CONSTRUCT THOSE.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE PLACED IT FOR NOW.

YEAH, BUT IT'S A CRAPSHOOT WHETHER THAT'S GOING TO FALL INTO PLACE BEFORE THE HIDDEN CREEK DEVELOPMENT.

YEAH, IT COULD. I MEAN, IT'S MORE LIKELY TO GET THERE ON THE GROUND SOONER THAN NEW BALL FIELDS IN SOME AS YET UNKNOWN PROPERTY WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PUT A REGIONAL PARK.

SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK UNLESS WE HAVE AN INTERIM PLAN.

IS IT POSSIBLE TO PROGRAM SOFTBALL INTO THE EXISTING FIELDS? SO THAT'S WHAT WE DO NOW.

WE JUST IT LIMITS US.

WE ARE NOT ABLE TO DO LIKE WE HAVE THREE FIELDS AT HOOD AND CREEK.

WE ONLY PLAY ON ONE FIELD AT CHISENHALL.

IT'S THE ONLY FIELD THAT'S BIG ENOUGH.

OK, SO WE ARE PLAYING SOME SOFTBALL AT CHISENHALL.

THAT'S ALL. THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE WE PLAY RIGHT NOW.

IT'S ONLY PRACTICE AT HIDDEN CREEK.

YEAH, OK, SO NOBODY PLAYS SOFTBALL AT THE SOFTBALL COMPLEX ANYMORE.

THEY PRACTICE OR THEY DO PICKUP GAMES, OR THEY CAN RUN THE FIELDS FOR PERSONAL USE.

BUT NO, THERE'S NO LEAGUE PLAY AT HIDDEN CREEK RIGHT NOW.

YEAH. AND IT'S JUST PICK-UP GAMES.

IT'S SANDLOT STYLE.

OK. I DON'T KNOW THAT EITHER, I THINK I WOULD KNOW IT, AND I THINK YOU WOULD KNOW IT, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IT. SO, YOU KNOW, WE I DON'T EITHER.

OBVIOUSLY, I'VE BEEN AROUND HERE LONG ENOUGH.

I SHOULD, BUT WE BROUGHT THIS TO YOU GUYS BACK IN JUNE WHEN WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE FIELDS. I MEAN, WE HAD THE BIG BLOW UP BECAUSE OUR STAFF MEMBERS SENT OUT A LETTER TO THE SOFTBALL ASSOCIATION SAYING WE WERE GOING TO CLOSE THE FIELD AND THE WHOLE THING BLEW UP IN OUR FACES. I ASSUMED WE WERE STILL USING THEM FOR PROGRAM SOFTBALL, AND THAT'S NOT THE CASE. I'M JUST NOW LEARNING.

YEAH, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE PARKING LOT THE FIRST TIME LAST YEAR, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THE TOURNAMENTS HAD BEEN MOVED OVER TO CHISENHALL ALREADY.

I KNEW THAT TOO.

WELL, I MUST HAVE STEPPED UP TO TAKE A PHONE CALL.

I DON'T KNOW. THE ONE THING I REMEMBER FROM LAST YEAR, ONE THING I DON'T REMEMBER SO GOOD. ALL RIGHT. OK.

ALL RIGHT. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT IS THE PARK ANNEX? THE PARK? THAT'S OUR FACILITY THAT WE'RE LEAVING FROM OLD TOWN.

IT'S OUR ANNEX BUILDING. YEP.

YEAH, IT'S OUR MAINTENANCE SHOP.

YEAH, SOUNDS. IT CHANGES THE LOOK OF IT, BUT REALLY IT'S NOT FUNDED THROUGH 4B OR ANY OF THE SOURCES WE DISCUSSED TODAY, BUT IT IS A CAPITAL, SO WE WANTED TO INCLUDE IT.

WELL, THAT FACILITY GO INTO YOUR NEW BUILDING.

MM HMM. IN OTHER WORDS, THE THE METAL BUILDING ON HIDDEN CREEK, WILL THAT GO INTO YOUR NEW BUILDING? THE ACTUAL MATERIALS? WELL, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN IT.

YOU KNOW, THE MAINTENANCE BARN WE HAVE ON HIDDEN CREEK.

NO, THAT'LL STAY THERE BECAUSE THAT CREW IS SPECIFIC TO BAILEY LAKE AND PRESENT HALL.

SO THOSE GUYS WILL STAY THERE NOW.

THEY WILL MEET AND CENTRALLY WORK OUT OF THE PARK ANNEX.

BUT AS FAR AS ALL OF THEIR FLEET AND EQUIPMENT AND STUFF THAT WILL STAY AT PRESENT HALL.

OK. ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS OUR 4B FINANCIAL OVERVIEW.

THE BIG THING THAT WE ALWAYS WANT TO LOOK AT IS OUR FUND BALANCE PERCENTAGE TO EXPENDITURE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO KEEP AT LEAST 20 TO 30 PERCENT IN OUR FUND BALANCE. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, EVEN WITH THESE PROPOSED CHANGES, WE'RE WELL WITHIN THAT FROM OUR PROJECTIONS.

AND MARTIN'S HERE, SO IF YOU WANT TO ASK HIM REALLY HARD QUESTIONS, HE'S READY FOR IT.

YEAH, YEAH.

WHAT IS OTHER REVENUE? MARTIN? AND IT GOES FROM 796 TO 45 THOUSAND, LIKE, WHY IS THAT? AND IT'S PRIMARILY INTEREST INCOME.

AND SO THE IDEA IS, IS BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH, THE INTEREST RATES ARE REALLY GONE DOWN AND WE ARE WORKING ON AN INVESTMENT STRATEGY TO CONTINUE TO TO REINVEST IN DIFFERENT INVESTMENTS AND TRY TO REGAIN THAT WHERE AT ONE POINT IT WAS AT, IT WAS ABOUT 15 MILLION OR FIFTEEN THOUSAND.

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SO THAT'S IN ESSENCE WHAT THAT IS.

THAT'S THE OTHER REVENUE.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS OTHER EXPENDITURES.

BUT OTHER OTHER EXPENDITURES CAN BE, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID IS WE MOVE THE RIGHT OF WAY MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS FROM THE GENERAL FUND OVER TO HERE.

SO YOU TALK ABOUT THOSE FIRST YEARS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THAT'S ONE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE ALSO HAD WE ADDED A CREW TO KIND OF OFFSET SOME OF SOME OF THAT RIGHT OF WAY AND SOME OF THE EXPENSES THERE.

AND SO THERE'S SOME CAPITAL EXPENDITURES THAT WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THERE SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AS WELL AS I THINK THERE WAS SOME POSSIBILITIES OF SOME INCENTIVES THAT COULD HAVE OCCURRED BASED UPON, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT, FAMILY CENTER OR SOMETHING THAT'S UNDER CONTROL WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT WOULD SHOW UP HERE BECAUSE IT'S NOT DESIGNED IN ONE OF THESE OTHER AREAS THAT WE'RE SHOWING.

SO THAT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT WE'VE GIVEN YOU, WE WANTED TO BRING BACK THOSE SPECIFIC PROJECTS AND TRY TO GET FEEDBACK.

I THINK WHAT I'VE HEARD IS, FOR THE MOST PART, THAT YOU'RE FINE WITH THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN SUGGESTED, BUT THE PARKING.

YOU'D LIKE ME TO LOOK AT THAT ON CLARK PARK AND SEE WHAT KIND OF AGREEMENT WE COULD COME TO WITH THE DEVELOPER IN THAT AREA.

I THINK THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME AGREEMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM IF THEY PARTICIPATED IN THE COST TO COUNT THAT TOWARDS FUTURE PHASES.

SO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF WE CAN DO THAT.

BUT WE WANTED TO GET SOME GENERAL DIRECTION FROM YOU OR JUST THE RIGHT WAY TO PROCEED ON THESE. AND IF SO, THEN WE'LL COME BACK WITH A VARIETY OF ACTIONS AND STEPS TO TO GET THESE PROJECTS MOVING.

JAN, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? I DO. NO, SIR.

ALL RIGHT, WAS JUST THE ONE CLARK PARK.

IT TOOK LONG. YEAH, YEAH.

ALL RIGHT. YEAH. THANK YOU, GUYS.

I APPRECIATE IT. HEY, GUYS.

I'M JUST KIDDING. JUST KIDDING.

I'M STILL HERE. MY LIGHTS ON.

THE SOFTBALL FIELDS.

I'D LIKE TO TALK. I HAVE A PRESENTATION ON OTHER PROPERTY OPTIONS.

IF IT IS JUST.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE. I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THE COMMUNITY PARK, BUT IF THAT'S 2026, WHEN WE'RE POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT ARE THERE RIGHT NOW, IT'S STAND ALONE.

IS THAT POTENTIAL? ARE THERE ANY OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN OUR EXISTING SYSTEM? WE DON'T HAVE ANY PARCELS QUITE LARGE ENOUGH TO DO THE PARKING AND WE USUALLY DO TWO TO FOUR ACRES PER FIELD AND THEN CONCESSION STANDS, ET CETERA, TO DO IT AS IT IS NOW AND ANOTHER FOOTPRINT OF OUR EXISTING PARK LINE.

WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN OUR INVENTORY.

THAT BEING SAID, WE CAN CONTINUE TO LOOK.

SO ON A COMMUNITY PARK, WE HAVE THE FINANCIAL CAPABILITY TO MOVE THAT PROJECT UP.

IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT EARLIER AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO DO INSTEAD OF 26, YOU WANT TO DO IT IN 23.

AND THE COMMUNITY PARK, I PICTURE IS SOMETHING WE COULD PHASE.

ABSOLUTELY MOVE INTO, I MEAN, DEPENDING ON HOW BIG A PARCEL OF LAND WE FIND AND WHAT THAT COST.

I DON'T KNOW. I JUST I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE COMMUNITY PART BECAUSE IF WE'RE THINKING OF LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENT AT HIDDEN CREEK, WE'RE GOING TO NEED SOME PLANS. AND I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THOSE SOONER SO WE CAN ADEQUATELY PHASE THINGS OR PLAN THINGS OUT.

SO WE'RE NOT SURE IF YOU WANT US TO PUT PRESSURE.

I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT IF YOU'RE WANTING US TO BRING FORWARD SOME OPTIONS ON LOCATIONS WHERE WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND SOME FUNDING OPTIONS, WE'LL BE GLAD TO DO THAT AND SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE A QUICKER TURNAROUND ON THAT PROJECT.

WE CAN DO THAT. I WOULD LIKE THAT JUST SO WE'RE USING ONE OF THE FIELDS THAT CHISENHALL PARK FOR SOFTBALL.

YES, SIR. SO IF WE HAD ONE MORE FILM INSTEAD OF MOVING TO FIELDS, JUST MOVE ONE OVER THERE WITH IT, IS THAT WOULD THAT BE FEASIBLE? IT'D BE TIGHT. WE WOULD ENCROACH ALMOST TO HIDDEN CREEK PARKWAY OR INTO THE EXISTING FLAG FOOTBALL FIELD. THAT WOULD PROBABLY DIMINISH PARKING, TOO.

YEAH. WELL, THE DRIVE THAT WE'RE DOING IS AROUND THE AREA WE WERE LOOKING AT, BUT IT WOULD TAKE AWAY FUTURE PHASING OF PARKING ARCHES AND DON'T WANT TO TAKE PARKING AWAY FROM RONNIE. HE GETS PRETTY PASSIONATE ABOUT PARKING.

WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M WITH YOU.

OH, OK, THAT'S GOOD.

THANK YOU. YES, SIR.

OK, MAYOR AND COUNCIL WE'LL MOVE ON TO SECTION THREE, WHICH IS CITIZENS APPEARANCE OTHER THAN PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ITEMS LISTED ON THE POSTED AGENDA.

CITIZENS IN ATTENDANCE WHO DESIRE TO SPEAK TO THE CITY COUNCIL MAY SPEAK DURING THIS

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SESSION. WE ALSO HAVE AN OPTION FOR ONLINE SPEAKER CARDS, WHICH MUST BE FILLED OUT AND SUBMITTED 30 MINUTES PRIOR TO THE POST AND STARTING TIME OF THE MEETING.

I HAVE NO ONLINE SPEAKER CARDS AND I HAVE NO SPEAKER CARDS FOR ANYBODY IN ATTENDANCE, SO

[A. Consider approval of a minute order authorizing staff to enter into negotiations with Jackson Shaw in reference to RFP 2021-015 and their proposal to develop city owned property located at 295 & 555 East Hidden Creek Parkway. (Staff Contact: Alex Philips, Economic Development Director)]

THAT'LL MOVE US ON TO SECTION FOUR, GENERAL, 4A.

IS TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A MINUTE ORDER AUTHORIZING STAFF TO ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS WITH JACKSON SHAW IN REFERENCE TO RFP 2021-015 AND THEIR PROPOSAL TO DEVELOP CITY OWNED PROPERTY. LOCATED AT 295 AND 555 EAST HIDDEN CREEK PARKWAY STAFF PRESENT IS ONCE AGAIN MR.. ALEX PHILLIPS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, MR. PHILLIPS.

GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I'M PREPARED TO GO BACK THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION AGAIN, BUT IT'S JUST AN APPROVAL MINUTE ORDER OF WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE WORK SESSION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH JACKSON SHAW.

I THINK WE'VE HEARD ENOUGH. I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE [INAUDIBLE].

SECOND. I'M GOING TO HAVE MY LITTLE BUTTON THINGY.

OK? MAYOR, YOU KNOW, MAYOR NEEDS TO ANNOUNCE WHO MADE THE FIRST AND SECOND AND THEN CALL FOR THE VOTE. I'VE GOT A MOTION BY DAN AND A SECOND BY VICTORIA.

ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU.

[B. Consider approval of a contract with Professional Turf Products to replace the irrigation pumps at Hidden Creek Golf Course in the amount not to exceed $134,468. (Staff Presenter: Jen Basham, Director- Parks and Recreation)]

OK. ITEM 4B IS CONSIDERING APPROVAL OF A CONTRACT WITH PROFESSIONAL TURF PRODUCTS TO REPLACE THE IRRIGATION PUMPS AT HIDDEN CREEK GOLF COURSE IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $134,468.

STAFF PRESENTER IS ONCE AGAIN JEN BASHAM, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.

MS. BASHAM? ALL RIGHT, GOOD MORNING.

SO WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS THE HIDDEN CREEK GOLF COURSE PUMP STATION REPLACEMENT ALSO SAID HOUSING UNIT THAT YOU CAN SEE IN THE BACKGROUND OF THIS PICTURE.

THIS USED TO BE BEST USED TO BRING SPRAY WITH ME EVERY TIME I PLAYED GOLF AT HIDDEN CREEK SO I COULD KNOCK OUT THE YELLOW JACKET NEST THAT WERE ALWAYS AROUND THIS THING.

I KNOW IT WAS PROBABLY ILLEGAL.

HEY,, JEN? YES, SIR. IS IT A LONG PRESENTATION? NO, SIR. CAN YOU? ARE YOU GOING TO REPLACE THE BUILDING AND PUT A NEW PUMP IN? YES. IS THAT ALL WE NEED TO KNOW? YEAH. ANYBODY GOT A MOTION ON THIS? OK.

SECOND.

WATER. YEAH, ACTUALLY.

SO I WAS GOING TO INTRODUCE YOU GUYS.

JAMES, OUR GOLF JIM WAS HERE.

HE'S DONE ALL THE HOMEWORK. WE STILL WANT TO MEET HIM.