[1. CALL TO ORDER Invocation - Christopher Cass, First Baptist Church of Burleson Pledge of Allegiance to the US Flag Texas Pledge: Honor the Texas Flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God; one and indivisible]

SO THE INITIAL TAX VALUE WAS A LITTLE OVER $18 MILLION WHEN IT WAS ESTABLISHED.

THE TERMS DOES RECEIVE 100% OF THE INCREMENTAL TAX GROWTH OVER THAT $18 MILLION.

TODAY, THE DOLLAR VALUE IS A LITTLE OVER $28 MILLION, AND THAT'S PRIMARILY DUE TO REVERIE AND SHANNON CREEK DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE RECENTLY GONE ON IN THAT AREA.

YOU HAVE A CURRENT FUND BALANCE OF APPROXIMATELY $135,000.

BUT SPEAKING WITH MARTIN FINANCE, PROJECTING THAT THAT FUND BALANCE, IF IT WAS UNTOUCHED, WOULD RISE TO ABOUT $1.7 MILLION BY THE END OF FISCAL YEAR 26-27.

AGAIN, BASED ON PROJECTED GROWTH WITHIN THE TOD AND TERMS AREA AND REALLY KIND OF THE WHOLE CRUX OF THAT IS THAT AS THE TOD CONTINUES TO DEVELOP AND DEVELOPMENT OCCURS WITHIN THE TERMS, THAT FUND BALANCE WILL CONTINUE TO GROW AS WELL THE CAPACITY OF FUNDING OF THE TERMS. SO I'M GOING TO RUN THROUGH THREE SPECIFIC OPTIONS FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THIS EVENING. BUT BEFORE I DO, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF GENERAL LIMITATIONS OF THE TERMS ITSELF.

ONE IS THAT THE GENERAL FUND LOSES ALL THE INCREMENTAL GROWTH OVER THAT $18 MILLION.

SO AS THE TAX VALUE OF THIS PROPERTY GROWS, THE GENERAL FUND DOES NOT SEE THAT IT STAYS WITHIN THE TERMS AND ALL THE FUNDING ASSOCIATED WITH IT MUST BE SPENT WITHIN THE GEOGRAPHIC BOUNDARY OF THE TERMS. SO YOU CAN'T TAKE MONEY FROM THE TERMS AND SPEND IT OUTSIDE ITS BOUNDARY.

IT MUST BE SPENT ON PROJECTS WITHIN THE TERMS ITSELF.

SO THE POTENTIAL OPTIONS I'M GOING TO RUN THROUGH TONIGHT BRIEFLY IS GOING TO BE FIRST TO DISSOLVE THE TERMS AND ALLOW THE FUND BALANCE AND FUTURE REVENUE TO JUST GO BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND. JUST TO KIND OF GIVE SOME CONTEXT THERE, WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT APPROXIMATELY $216,000 OF REVENUE ANTICIPATED FOR NEXT YEAR.

SO IT'S ABOUT HALF A CENT ON THE TAX RATE IS WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

ANOTHER OPTION WOULD BE YOU COULD RETAIN THE TERMS AS IT IS, LEVERAGE IT TO FUND CRITICAL CAPITAL PROJECTS WITHIN THE TERMS. AND WE JUST NEED TO PRIORITIZE WHAT THOSE ARE.

AND THEN THIRD, YOU COULD CERTAINLY MODIFY THE BOUNDARIES OF THE TERMS TO SOME NEW GEOGRAPHIC BOUNDARY THAT MAYBE DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE TOD.

AND WE JUST NEED TO SET THAT AND WE NEED TO DO THAT THROUGH COUNCIL ACTION.

SO EACH ONE OF THESE OPTIONS IS GOING TO HAVE BENEFITS AND LIMITATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THESE. SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO EXPLAIN EACH OF THOSE AS I GO ALONG.

IF WE DISSOLVE THE TERMS, I THINK THE BENEFIT HERE IS THAT IT INCREASES THE FINANCIAL CAPACITY OF THE GENERAL FUND.

THE FUNDS CAN BE USED ANYWHERE ACROSS THE CITY.

SO YOU COULD CERTAINLY STILL FUND PROJECTS WITHIN THE GEOGRAPHIC BOUNDARIES OF THE EXISTING TERMS. BUT IF YOU DISSOLVE IT, YOU COULD FUND OTHER PROJECTS OUTSIDE THOSE BOUNDARIES. AND THEN THE EXISTING FUND BALANCE OF $135,000 IN FUTURE REVENUE WOULD JUST

[A. Proclamations A Proclamation of "Mr. Livingston Day" recognizing Mr. Richard Ernest Livingston for his contributions to Burleson through volunteerism and substitute teaching for BISD.]

GO TO THE GENERAL FUND.

THIS SLIDE RIGHT HERE IS JUST KIND OF A SNAPSHOT THAT GETS TO THE HEART OF THE CAPACITY OF THE TERMS OVER THE NEXT SIX YEARS.

SO YOU SEE THE BEGINNING FUND [INAUDIBLE].

THESE ARE THE PROJECTED FUND BALANCES YEAR OVER YEAR BASED ON THE REVENUES MARTIN'S PROJECTING OVER THE NEXT SIX YEARS.

AS I'VE ALREADY SAID, THERE ARE NO EXPENDITURES AND THERE ARE NO PLANNED EXPENDITURES.

THIS IS SIMPLY A FINANCIAL CAPACITY MODEL TO GIVE THE COUNCIL AN INDICATION OF HOW MUCH DEBT THE TERMS COULD ISSUE OVER THIS SIX YEAR PERIOD.

SHOULD YOU ELECT TO DO THAT.

IN TOTAL, YOU COULD ISSUE ABOUT $4.8 MILLION.

SO WHEN YOU SEE THE EXPENDITURES, THAT'S JUST THE START OF THE DEBT ISSUE.

BASICALLY, THE DEBT REPAYMENT, SHOULD YOU ELECT TO KEEP THE TERMS AND ISSUE DEBT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE? SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO RETAIN THE TERMS OR MODIFY THE BOUNDARIES, I THINK THE BENEFIT HERE IS ASSOCIATED WITH HOW MUCH DEBT YOU COULD LEVERAGE FROM THE TERMS. AND SO WHAT I'D SAY IS YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE HAVE TWO COMPONENTS OF OUR TAX RATE, THE INTEREST AND SINKING PORTION OF THE TAX RATE WHICH WE USE TO FUND BASICALLY OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS.

WE HAVE OUR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION PORTION.

SO SHOULD YOU DISSOLVE THE TERMS, THE REVENUE WOULD BE BOUND BY THE INTEREST AND SINKING FUND AND M&O RATES OF THE OF OUR TAX RATE.

THE TERMS ITSELF IS NOT BOUND BY THAT LIMITATION.

SO YOU COULD THE $216,000 IN REVENUE THAT WE ANTICIPATE YOU COULD YOU COULD USE THAT FULL AMOUNT FOR DEBT SERVICE.

SO YOU COULD THAT'S WHERE YOU GET THE $4.8 MILLION IN CAPACITY.

AGAIN, WITH THIS OPTION, YOU'RE BOUND BY THE LIMITATIONS OF THE DISTRICT, THE DISTRICT BOUNDARIES. THERE ARE VIABLE PROJECTS, THOUGH, SO YOU HAVE HULEN ROAD, ALSBURY BOTH WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE TERMS AND THERE CERTAINLY THERE ARE OTHERS WHATEVER THE COUNCIL WISH TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CAPITAL PROJECTS.

NEXT COUPLE OF SIDES ARE ABOUT NEXT STEPS FOR EACH OPTION.

SO SHOULD YOU DISSOLVE THE TERMS, STAFF WOULD BRING BACK A RESOLUTION AND FUTURE COUNCIL DATE. UPON ITS APPROVAL, THE TERMS WOULD BE DISSOLVED AND THEN THE FUND BALANCE WOULD RETURN THE GENERAL FUND AS WELL AS FUTURE REVENUE.

AT THAT POINT, THE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION HOW YOU'D WANT TO USE THAT ADDITIONAL CAPACITY.

[00:05:01]

YOU CAN CERTAINLY LEVERAGE ADDITIONAL THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO FUND CAPITAL PROJECTS, TO FUND ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS, A COMBINATION OF BOTH OR YOU COULD REDUCE THE TAX RATE.

ON THE CAPITAL PROJECTS AND DEBT ISSUANCE.

I'VE ALREADY KIND OF ALLUDED TO THE $4.8 MILLION SHOULD YOU KEEP THE TERMS, YOU COULD STILL GET THAT SAME LEVEL OF CAPACITY IF YOU DISSOLVE THE TERMS. BUT WHAT IT WOULD REQUIRE IS THAT YOU'D HAVE TO ADJUST THE I&S PORTION OF THE TAX RATE SO YOUR TOTAL TAX RATE WOULDN'T CHANGE THE I&S PORTION OF THE TAX RATE WOULD.

SO WITH DISSOLVING THIS DISSOLVING THE TERMS OPTION, YOU COULD STILL GET THE FULL $4.8 MILLION. YOU DON'T REALLY LOSE ANYTHING BY THAT.

IF YOU WERE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH RETAINING OR MODIFYING THE BOUNDARIES OF THE TERMS. THE FIRST THING IS WE'D NEED TO ESTABLISH A BOARD THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE YET.

SO FIVE MEMBERS, FOUR OF WHICH ARE APPOINTED BY THE COUNCIL, ONE WILL BE APPOINTED BY JOHNSON COUNTY.

THE MEMBERS SERVE TWO YEAR TERMS. IF WE WERE GOING TO MODIFY THE BOUNDARIES, WE JUST NEED TO MEET WITH COUNCIL TO DETERMINE WHAT WE WANT TO INCORPORATE OR EXCLUDE FROM THE TERMS DISTRICT.

WE THEN NEED TO IDENTIFY SPECIFIC CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO FUND AND THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ISSUANCE OF DEBT.

SO FROM THE COUNCIL OPTIONS PERSPECTIVE, REALLY, WE SEE THERE'S TWO OR THREE.

DISSOLVE THE TERMS, RETAIN THE TERMS, AND OR RETAIN AND MODIFY THE BOUNDARIES OF THE TERMS. SO WITH THAT SAID, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

SO AS IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, IF WE DISSOLVE THE TERMS, THE MONEY THAT'S IN THE TERMS HAS COME FROM SHANNON CREEK AND REVERIE.

PRIMARILY I MEAN, ALL OF ANY PROPERTY WITHIN IT'S TAX REVENUE.

YES. YES, SIR. SO IF WE DISSOLVE THE TERMS, THEN THAT COULD EFFECTIVELY LOWER THE TAX RATE FOR THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.

AM I CORRECT? NOT JUST FOR THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS? IT'D BE FOR ACROSS THE CITY.

YES, EXACTLY.

IT'D BE ANYBODY LIVING WITHIN THE TERMS. SO IN THE ENTIRE CITY.

SO IF YOU DISSOLVE THE TERMS, YOU HAVE THIS ADDITIONAL REVENUE THAT'S COMING INTO THE CITY NOW. NOW WHAT YOU DO WITH THAT REVENUE, YOU COULD YOU HAVE A CHOICE.

SO YOU HAVE A POLICY DECISION OF YOU COULD REDUCE THE TAX RATE BY THAT AMOUNT SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO DO THAT. BUT BUT I'M SAYING THE PEOPLE LIVING IN SHANNON CREEK AND MAYBE I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY AND I APOLOGIZE TO NOT BUT THE PEOPLE LIVE IN THE SHANNON CREEK AND AND REVERIE ARE PAYING AN ADDITIONAL TAX NOW BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN SPEAKERS] NO THEY'RE NOT PAYING ANY ADDITIONAL TAX SO THEY PAY THE SAME AMOUNT OF TAX THAT ANY OTHER CITIZEN DOES.

BUT BECAUSE THE CHURCH WAS CREATED, A PORTION OF THEIR NORMAL TAX PAYMENT GOES INTO, IN ESSENCE, AN ESCROWED FUND THAT CAN ONLY BE USED IN THAT AREA.

OKAY. THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT.

THANK YOU. YES, THAT'S WHERE THAT INCREMENT COMES IN.

SO WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING NECESSARILY THAT YOU WOULD REDUCE THE TAX RATE.

[C. Community Interest Items This is a standing item on the agenda of every regular meeting of the City Council. An "item of community interest" includes the following: expressions of thanks, congratulations, or condolence; information regarding holiday schedules; honorary recognitions of city officials, employees, or other citizens; reminders about upcoming events sponsored by the city or other entity that is scheduled to be attended by city official or city employee; and announcements involving imminent public health and safety threats to the city.]

IT IS AN OPTION THAT YOU'D HAVE.

SO THAT REVENUE WOULD ESSENTIALLY GO BACK INTO THE BUDGET PROCESS AND THE COUNCIL COULD LOOK AT THOSE REVENUES WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FINANCIALLY TO DETERMINE WOULD YOU WANT TO REDUCE THE TAX RATE? WOULD YOU WANT TO DO ADDITIONAL CAPITAL PROJECTS? I MEAN, THOSE COULD BE FUTURE DISCUSSIONS, BUT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO, AS TOMMY SAID, FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, RATHER THAN THE FUNDS BEING RESTRICTED TO ONE GEOGRAPHIC AREA.

AND I THINK THAT'S THE POLICY QUESTION FOR THE COUNCIL IS DO YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT RESTRICTION ON THE FUNDS OR DO YOU WANT TO HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH IT IN THE BUDGET PROCESS? BECAUSE IT'S THE TERMS, IT'S JUST THE CITIES FUNDS.

THERE'S NO OTHER GOVERNMENTAL PARTICIPATION.

SO IT'S ALL JUST GENERAL FUND MONEY THAT'S BEING SEQUESTERED, IF YOU WILL, FOR JUST THAT ONE GEOGRAPHIC AREA.

HOPEFULLY THAT MAKES SENSE. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF NUMBERS THAT WE THREW OUT AT YOU, BUT THAT'S THE POLICY QUESTION THAT WE SEE IN FRONT OF YOU.

SHOULD YOU COUNCIL GIVE STAFF DIRECTION TO DISSOLVE THE TERMS WHAT BRIAN AND MARTIN HAVE TALKED ABOUT IS THAT AS WE BRING INFORMATION ON THE GENERAL FUND IN THE BUDGET, WE COULD GIVE YOU OPTIONS AT THAT TIME AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS OF WHAT YOU COULD DO. YEAH, JUST FOR BACKGROUND, THE THE TERMS WAS CREATED TO SUPPORT THE TRANSIT ORIENTED DISTRICT. IT WAS ASSUMED THAT DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE TOD WOULD CREATE A LOT MORE REVENUE FROM INCREASED TAX INCREMENTAL VALUES AS OPPOSED TO OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS IN TOWN.

BUT IT WOULD ALSO HAVE A MORE INTENSE NEED FOR EXPENDITURES TOWARDS INFRASTRUCTURE AND SO FORTH. BUT LOOKING AT THE EXISTENCE OF THE TERMS AND REALIZING THAT WITHOUT THE TRANSIT ORIENTED DISTRICT, PRESSURES FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AND OTHER CITY EXPENDITURES WITHIN THIS AREA ARE NOT ANY DIFFERENT THAN THEY ARE FROM ANY OTHER POTENTIALLY DEVELOPING AREA, AND THEN PERHAPS EVEN LESS INTENSE BECAUSE SOME OF THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES THAT ARE NEEDED TO SERVE THIS AREA WERE ALREADY PUT IN CANDLER DRIVE AND THEN ALSBURY.

AND NOW WE HAVE IDENTIFIED FUNDING AND HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE TO CONTINUE ALSBURY THROUGH HERE AND WE'RE ANTICIPATING HULEN FURTHER DOWN THE LINE, ALREADY STARTING TO ADDRESS THAT. SO I DON'T SEE ANY DIRECT NEED TO TRY TO CAPTURE THESE FUNDS FOR THE PURPOSES OF

[00:10:05]

EXPANDING THEM WITHIN THIS AREA BECAUSE THEY COULD BE EXPANDED INTO ANY AREA IN TOWN IF THEY WEREN'T HELD FOR THIS.

AND THERE MAY BE OTHER AREAS UNDER DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE THAT ARE GOING TO NEED THEM WORSE THAN THIS DOES. SO MY INCLINATION IS TO DISSOLVE THE TERMS AND REFUND THE MONEY BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND AND GO TO THE NEXT STEP.

IS THERE ANYBODY THAT'S FOR SAVING IT? NO, I'M WITH YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM I DO BELIEVE THAT DISSOLVING THE TERMS IS THE BEST WAY TO GO IN THIS. MY ONE QUESTION FOR YOU IS JUST WHAT'S THE TIME FRAME THAT THE MONEY WOULD RETURN AND HOW DOES THAT ALL WORK FROM A TIMING PERSPECTIVE? YEAH. SO WHAT WE WOULD DO IS THAT WE JUST WE CAN MOVE VERY QUICKLY, PUT A RESOLUTION TOGETHER AND SPEAKING WITH SIMPLY A RESOLUTION TO DISSOLVE THE TERMS. AT THAT POINT, THE FUND WOULD JUST ROLL BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND, BUT WE WOULD NEED TO COORDINATE WITH ALLEN JUST TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD ALL ROLL BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND RESERVE OR IF IT BE BOUND TO THE I&S AND M&O PORTIONS OF THE TAX RATE.

SO THAT WOULD BE ONE THING WE NEED TO WORK OUT.

IS THERE CURRENTLY AN OVERLAY DISTRICT? I BELIEVE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT TOD IS NOT AN OVERLAY DISTRICT.

IT'S ACTUALLY A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

WE'LL BE COMING BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FOR AN OVERLAY, FOR AN OVERLAY.

YES, MA'AM. THAT'S THE I THOUGHT I'D HEARD THAT BEFORE.

AND IF THERE WAS AN OVERLAY DISTRICT, HOW WOULD THAT PLAY INTO THIS LIKE THEN, I MEAN, ESTABLISHING IT, WHETHER WE DISSOLVE THIS OR NOT.

HOW DO THOSE TWO COINCIDE? SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT THE ZONING IS REALLY MORE ABOUT THE ENTITLEMENT OF THE LAND THERE AND LESS ABOUT THIS EXTRA FUNDING MECHANISM THAT THE CITY WOULD UTILIZE.

SO I SEE THEM THE TERMS WAS THERE TO HELP FACILITATE, BUT SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, WE CAN STILL COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FOR OVERLAY AND WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THOSE OPTIONS ON WHAT THEY WOULD BE, BUT THEY WOULD BE AIMED AT TRYING TO GET THE PROPERTY OWNERS THERE TO VOLUNTARILY REDUCE DENSITY.

RIGHT. SO THAT SEPARATE AND APART BUT LINKED TOGETHER.

THANK YOU. I WOULD JUST SAY, I MEAN, FOR THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT, COUNCILMEMBER JOHNSON, IT WOULD BE IF THERE WAS A VISION THAT YOU HAD FOR THAT DISTRICT AND THAT YOU WANTED TO HAVE THIS THESE TERMS FUNDS TO HELP YOU ACCOMPLISH THAT VISION, THEN THAT'S HOW THEY COULD ALIGN TOGETHER.

BUT I AGREE WITH TOMMY THEY'RE TRULY SEPARATE TOPICS, BUT THEY COULD BE RELATED IF THERE WAS SOME VISION THAT YOU HAD SEPARATE AND APART FROM A TRANSIT ORIENTED.

MY ONLY HESITATION IS WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THINGS THAT COULD OCCUR, AND THEY'RE JUST THE BEGINNING OF DISCUSSIONS OF THINGS THAT CAN OCCUR OUT THERE.

AND COMING UP IN FUTURE MEETINGS, YOU MENTIONED THAT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT WAYS TO POTENTIALLY ENCOURAGE LOWER DENSITY.

AND I'M JUST I DON'T ALMOST I DON'T WANT TO DISSOLVE THAT OR MAKE A MOVE ON THIS TOO SOON AND THEN COME BACK AND DECIDE, WELL, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN SMART TO LEAVE IT, BECAUSE WE WANT TO DO WE WANT TO NOW ACCOMPLISH X, Y AND Z IN THIS AREA.

[4. CITIZEN APPEARANCES Other than public hearings and items listed on the posted agenda, citizens in attendance who desire to speak to City Council may speak during this section. Speakers in attendance: Each person will be allowed three (3) minutes to speak and will not be interrupted by City Council or staff. If you would like to speak, please fill out a speaker card and give the completed card to the City Secretary prior to addressing City Council. Speakers not in attendance: Each person must fill out an online speaker card. Online speaker cards will be for items posted on the agenda only and must be submitted 30 minutes prior to the posted start time of the meeting. Online speaker cards will be read aloud by the City Secretary at the time the item is presented. Online speaker cards can be found on the city’s website, www.burlesontx.com on the agenda/notices page. Please note that City Council may only take action on items posted on the agenda. The Texas Open Meetings Act prohibits the City Council from deliberating or taking action on an item not listed on the agenda. City Council may, however, receive your comments on the unlisted item, ask clarifying questions, respond with facts, and explain policy.]

I DON'T KNOW. IT'S A FAIR COMMENT.

I THINK THE FLIP SIDE OF WHAT I WAS SAYING IS YOU STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO FUND IT TOO JUST THROUGH THE NORMAL BUDGET PROCESS, UNLESS YOU DECIDED TO CUT THE TAX RATE.

AND IF YOU CUT THE TAX RATE, THEN THAT FUNDING CAPACITY GOES AWAY.

SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'D HAVE TO THINK THROUGH, THROUGH THE BUDGET.

OKAY. WHERE DO YOU STAND ON IT, VICTORIA? DISSOLVE IT. I'M FINE WITH DISSOLVING IT.

I JUST COULD WE MAYBE POSTPONE.

COULD WE TABLE THIS AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT, LIKE, SOME MORE PLANS ON WHAT WE MIGHT SEE OUT THERE BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION? I'D RATHER GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD JUST TO GET IT OFF THE AGENDA.

I MEAN, WE DO HAVE ANOTHER MECHANISM TO FUND PROJECTS.

THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT.

I DON'T WANT TO GET OUR AGENDA BOGGED DOWN.

RIGHT. AND THAT'S RESPECTFUL.

OKAY. IF YOU WANT TO DO IT, WE'LL.

I MEAN, I JUST DON'T WE JUST ARE STARTING SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE LAND OUT THERE AND THE POSSIBILITIES AND I DON'T KNOW UNTIL I CAN SEE THINGS AND I KNOW YOU ALL ARE WORKING ON THAT. LIKE THESE ARE OPTIONS.

AND I'M SUCH A VISUAL PERSON, I JUST DON'T WANT TO REDUCE THE TAX RATE OR MAKE MOVES THAT THEN DON'T THIS COUNCIL IS VERY GENEROUS.

I'M VERY PROUD OF THE COUNCIL, HOW WE LOOK AT SOMETHING AND THEN GO FORWARD ON IT.

SO GETTING WHAT THEY NEED, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM.

I THINK WE OUGHT TO GO AHEAD AND I'M FOR DISSOLVING AS IT IS.

THAT'S FAIR. YOU'RE GOOD? YEAH. I BELIEVE WE.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF DISSOLVING IT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, BASICALLY, WE'RE HOLDING MONEY HOSTAGE WE CAN'T USE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

[00:15:02]

AND SO FOR THAT REASON, I WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO USE MONEY WHERE WE NEED IT TO SEE FIT.

AND CERTAINLY WE CAN DEFINITELY USE IT FOR THAT LAND OVER THERE TOO FROM THE GENERAL.

SO I MEAN, WE CAN MOVE THIS ALLOWS MORE FLEXIBILITY.

SO I'M IN FAVOR OF DISSOLVING IT.

THERE YOU GO, TOMMY. THANK YOU, COUNCIL.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THAT BRINGS US TO 7C, I WILL BE REPORTING ON 7C.

SO IT'S RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PROVIDE STAFF DIRECTION ON THE CITY OF BURLESON BOARDS AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENT PROCESS.

GOT IT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

TONIGHT, I'M JUST GOING TO GO OVER THE OVERVIEW OF OUR PROCESS OF WHAT WE HAVE AND THEN

[5. CONSENT AGENDA All items listed below are considered to be routine by the City Council and will be enacted with one motion. There will be no separate discussion of the items unless a Councilmember or citizen so requests, in which event the item will be removed from the consent agenda and considered in its normal sequence. Approval of the consent agenda authorizes the City Manager to implement each item in accordance with staff recommendations.]

COMPARISON TO COMPARISON CITIES THAT WE NORMALLY DO ANYTHING.

NORMALLY, WHEN WE SAY COMPARISON CITIES, WE PULL THESE CITIES UP FOR SALARY SURVEYS OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY DO.

SO I DIDN'T RANDOMLY PICK THESE ONES.

IT'S JUST KIND OF ONES THAT WE NORMALLY COMPARE.

SO LET'S GO OVER THE CITY OF BURLESON PROCESS RIGHT NOW.

SO WE'LL START ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THE LEFT TOP THERE, WHERE WE ACCEPT APPLICATIONS, WE VERIFY THE APPLICANTS.

AND JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, THE ONLY THING WE'RE VERIFYING ON THE APPLICANTS IS THE BASIC REQUIREMENTS.

WE COMPILE THE APPLICANTS BY BOARDS AND LOCATION.

THAT MEANS THE BOARDS THAT THEY APPLIED FOR AND THEN THE GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION OF WHERE THEY ARE IN THE CITY.

THEN WE PRESENT ALL THOSE APPLICANTS TO THE APPOINTMENTS AND COUNCIL POLICIES COMMITTEE.

THEY MEET IN AN OPEN MEETING, THE APPOINTMENTS AND COUNCIL POLICIES REVIEW ALL THE

[A. Consider approval of a five-year contract with Hoot’s Lawn Care, LLC for Tier 1 and Tier 3 West Litter Services in the amount not to exceed $457,537.50. (Staff Presenter: Jen Basham, Parks and Recreation Director)]

[B. Consider approval of a five-year contract with BrightView Landscape Services, Inc. for Tier 2 and Tier 3 East Litter Services in the amount not to exceed $466,996.45. (Staff Presenter: Jen Basham, Parks and Recreation Director)]

APPLICATIONS, AND THEN THEY BRING FORWARD RECOMMENDATIONS FOR EVERY BOARD THAT HAS EITHER A VACANCY OR A REAPPOINTMENT.

WE PLACE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS ON A COUNCIL AGENDA.

AFTER THE COUNCIL TAKES ACTION ON THOSE APPOINTMENTS, WE CONTACT THE APPOINTEES.

THE BOARD LIAISON THEN ALSO APPOINTS THE CONTACTS, THE APPOINTEES ALSO, AND THEN THEIR BOARD SERVICE BEGINS.

THERE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS IN HERE.

THIS IS JUST A VERY, VERY BROAD OVERVIEW OF THE APPOINTMENT PROCESS.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL EVERYTHING ELSE THAT COMES IN THERE.

SO LET'S LOOK AT BEDFORD.

AND JUST JUST BEFORE I GO ANY FURTHER, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THESE FIRST TWO I LOOKED AT EVERYTHING THAT ALL THESE COMPARISON CITIES DID ON ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS AND PROMOTION OF APPLICATIONS AND EVERYTHING.

AND WE ARE ALMOST IDENTICAL EVERY CITY, NO MATTER HOW THEY GET PAST THIS POINT.

THE BEGINNING PART IS ALWAYS THE SAME.

THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE PROMOTES THROUGH FACEBOOK, SOCIAL MEDIA, LETTERS GOING OUT, ANY KIND OF TARGETING THAT WE CAN DO.

THEY ACCEPT THE APPLICATIONS AND THEN THEY REVIEW THEM FOR BASIC REQUIREMENTS.

THESE ARE BASIC REQUIREMENTS.

IN BEDFORD, THEY ACCEPT THE APPLICATIONS.

THE FULL COUNCIL HOLDS WORK SESSIONS AND THEY ARE VERY SPECIFIC.

IT'S THE THIRD TUESDAY OF EVERY SEPTEMBER.

THEY INTERVIEW ALL THE APPLICANTS AND THIS IS DONE IN AN OPEN MEETING.

SO MUCH LIKE WE ARE HERE TONIGHT, WHAT THEY WOULD DO IS THEY WOULD CALL A WORK SESSION TO ORDER. THEY WOULD HAVE EVERY APPLICANT IN FRONT OF THEM AND THEY WOULD CALL THEM UP ONE BY ONE AND ASK THEM QUESTIONS AND INTERVIEW THEM.

AFTER THE COUNCIL HAS DONE THE INTERVIEW PROCESS THEY'RE GOING TO DISCUSS IN THIS OPEN MEETING OUTSIDE IN THE PUBLIC, THERE ON WHAT THEY THINK THEY'LL COME TO SOME AGREEMENTS, MUCH LIKE WE JUST DID WITH THE TERMS WHEN WE KIND OF DID A WORK SESSION ABOUT IT AND THEN CAME TO A GENERAL AGREEMENT.

AND THEN THOSE APPOINTMENTS ARE FLESHED OUT AND THEN THEY'RE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL AT THE NEXT REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING.

AT THAT POINT, THE COUNCIL RATIFIES THEIR APPOINTMENTS, THEY MAKE THEIR APPOINTMENTS, AND THEN AGAIN THEY CONTACT THE BOARD LIAISON AND THE BOARD SERVICE BEGINS.

CLEBURNE. SO AGAIN, ACCEPT THE APPLICATIONS VERIFY.

HERE'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

ALL THE APPLICANTS ARE REVIEWED BY A BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS COMMITTEE.

THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS COMMITTEE IS ALL MEMBERS OF CITY ADMINISTRATION.

THAT'S THE CITY MANAGER, THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGERS AND SOME DIRECTORS.

A RECOMMENDATION TABLE IS CREATED BY THIS BCC.

SO THEY GET TOGETHER, THEY MEET, THEY DON'T THEY'RE NOT HELD TO ANY OPEN MEETINGS.

THEY REVIEW ALL THE APPLICANTS, ALL THE VACANCIES, ALL THE RE APPOINTMENTS.

THEY COME UP WITH A TABLE AND THEY PRESENT THAT TABLE TO THE CITY COUNCIL AT A COUNCIL MEETING. THE COUNCIL THEN TAKES ACTION ON THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE STAFF AND APPOINTS THOSE APPOINTEES.

AND AGAIN, THEY'RE CONTACTED AND THEIR BOARD SERVICE BEGINS.

DENTON. THEY ACCEPT APPLICATIONS, CURRENTLY THEY DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC PROCESS IN PLACE OR AN ADOPTED PROCESS IN PLACE.

THEY'VE BEEN CHANGING AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT CHANGING IT AGAIN.

THIS IS WHAT THEY TOLD ME THEY HAVE THE CITY COUNCIL MAKES NOMINATIONS, SO THEY GET ALL

[00:20:03]

THE APPLICANTS TOGETHER.

THEY SEND ALL THE APPLICATIONS OUT TO ALL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS COME INTO AN OPEN MEETING AND THEN BEGIN THE PROCESS OF MAKING THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR APPOINTMENTS AND RE APPOINTMENTS IN AN OPEN MEETING JUST LIKE THIS, THEY'RE GOING TO GO THAT.

THEY COME FORWARD WITH THEIR NOMINATIONS, THAT I'M GOING TO NOMINATE SUCH AND SUCH FOR THE ANIMAL SHELTER ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

THEY ALSO CAN DO NOMINATIONS FROM THE FLOOR, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS PRETTY INTERESTING.

SO THEY COME IN AND THEN AT ANY POINT RIGHT NOW, IF WE WERE SITTING HERE AND YOU GUYS HAVE MADE THE DENTON COUNCIL HAS MADE NOMINATIONS, THEY CAN CHANGE THEIR MIND AND NOMINATE SOMEBODY ELSE AND THEY WORK THROUGH THOSE NOMINATIONS.

AND WHAT THEY TOLD ME WAS SOMETIMES IN THOSE OPEN MEETINGS, THOSE NOMINATIONS LOOK A LITTLE AWKWARD.

SO I JUST WANT YOU GUYS TO KNOW THAT ONCE THEY'VE SETTLED ON ALL THEIR NOMINATIONS, THEN THEY PUT IT ON A SUBSEQUENT MEETING AGENDA, AND THEN AGAIN THEY VOTE TO MAKE THOSE, RATIFY THOSE APPOINTMENTS, CONTACT THEM, AND THEN THEY BEGIN THEIR BOARD SERVICE.

EULESS ACCEPTS THE THE APPLICATIONS, VERIFIES.

THE ONE THING THEY DO IS EVERYBODY WHO'S UP FOR RE APPOINTMENT, THEY CONTACT THOSE APPOINTEES AND THEY ASK THEM TO UPDATE THEIR INFORMATION, MAKE SURE THEY STILL WANT TO SERVE ON THOSE BOARDS, AND THEN THEY TAKE THAT AUTOMATICALLY FORWARD TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING AND THEY JUST REAPPOINT EVERYBODY.

THERE'S NO DISCUSSION THERE OR ANYTHING.

THERE'S NO COMMITTEE THAT GOES AND LOOKS AT THE RE APPOINTMENTS.

IT'S JUST THEY'RE ALL EVERYBODY'S REAPPOINTED AS LONG AS THEY CAN SERVE TERMS. EVERYBODY ELSE WHERE THERE'S A VACANCY, ALL THE APPLICATIONS FOR THE VACANCIES ARE PRESENTED TO ALL THE COUNCIL.

THE COUNCIL CONDUCTS INTERVIEWS, MUCH LIKE THE CITY OF BEDFORD DOES IN AN OPEN MEETING.

SO THOSE PEOPLE BEING INTERVIEWED IN AN OPEN MEETING BEFORE COUNCIL ARE ONLY GOING TO BE THE ONES THAT HAVE APPLIED FOR A VACANCY, NOT ANY RE APPOINTMENTS, RE APPOINTMENTS ALREADY DONE AND HANDLED AT ANOTHER MEETING.

AND THEN THE APPOINTMENTS ARE PLACED ON THE NOVEMBER MEETING AND APPOINTMENTS ARE MADE.

SO AFTER THE COUNCIL THEY NOTIFY THE APPOINTEES AND THEN THEIR BOARD SERVICE BEGINS.

GRAPEVINE ACCEPTS ALL THE APPLICATIONS, VERIFIES.

THEY AGAIN ALSO TOLD ME THEY HAVE NO SPECIFIC PROCESS IN PLACE.

IN FACT, SHE SAID, THEY KIND OF CHANGE EVERY YEAR, THIS IS HOW THEY DID IT LAST YEAR.

THEY INTERVIEWED ALL OF THE APPLICANTS.

THEY DID NOT INTERVIEW ANY RE APPOINTEES, AGAIN THEY JUST AUTOMATICALLY ASSUMED THOSE APPOINTEES ARE GOING TO BE APPOINTED.

THEY DO COUNCIL INTERVIEWS IN AN OPEN MEETING AND THIS IS PROBABLY WHY THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS AGAIN. ALLEN, THEY ACTUALLY BROKE UP.

THEY CALLED THE MEETING TO ORDER AND THEN FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS WENT TO ONE ROOM AND THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS WENT TO ANOTHER ROOM AND THEY INTERVIEWED THAT WAY BECAUSE THEY HAD SO MANY APPLICANTS. THEY WERE TRYING TO DO IT TO SAVE TIME IN AN OPEN MEETING, BOTH ROOMS WERE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

HOWEVER, ONE DID NOT HAVE A QUORUM OF COUNCIL PRESENT, AND THE OTHER ONE DID, BUT THEY CONSIDERED BOTH.

I KNOW, ALLEN. YEAH, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE NOT DOING THAT AGAIN.

LISTEN, MY BRAIN BROKE, TOO.

THEY PLACED THE APPOINTMENTS ON THE NEXT AGENDA SO THEY GET BACK TOGETHER.

AFTER THEY'VE DONE ALL THE INTERVIEWS, THEY ALL GET BACK TOGETHER IN ONE ROOM AGAIN IN AN OPEN MEETING AND DECIDE THEIR APPOINTMENTS THAT WAY.

THEN THEY PLACE IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA AND THEY TAKE THEIR ACTION TO APPOINT THEM.

MANSFIELD. MANSFIELD FORWARDS ALL THE BOARD APPLICATIONS TO THE BOARD LIAISONS.

SO FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING, IT WOULD BE FORWARDED TO TONY AND HIS GROUP.

EVERYBODY GETS ALL OF THEIRS, AND THEN THE BOARD LIAISON REVIEWS THE APPLICATIONS, CONDUCTS THE INTERVIEWS, AND THEN THEY BRING FORWARD THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL. THEY'RE PLACED ON AN AGENDA.

NOW, I WILL SAY THIS, THEY DO HAVE THE OPTION OF ONCE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS COME FORWARD TO THEM IN AN OPEN MEETING, THEY DO HAVE THE OPTION TO TAKE ONE OFF AND DISCUSS THAT ONE OR CALL SOMEBODY FORWARD AT ANOTHER MEETING TO INTERVIEW.

HOWEVER, THEY HAVE NEVER SEEN THAT DONE, ALTHOUGH IT IS IN THEIR POLICY THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT, THEY'VE NEVER SEEN THAT DONE.

NORMALLY THEY TAKE THE BOARD LIAISONS RECOMMENDATIONS AND MOVE FORWARD THAT WAY, AND THAT'S ON RE APPOINTMENTS AND VACANCIES.

AGAIN THEN THEY'RE CONTACTED, THE BOARD LIAISON CONTACTS, THE APPOINTEES, AND THEN THEIR BOARD SERVICE BEGINS.

NORTH RICHLAND HILLS.

SO THEY RECEIVE ALL THE APPLICATIONS, THEY SEND ALL OF THE APPLICATIONS TO ALL OF THE CITY COUNCIL. THEY DO THEY HAVE A SPECIFIC WORKSHEET THAT THEY HAVE WHICH SAYS THESE ARE RE APPOINTMENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND ATTENDANCE ON ANYBODY.

AND THEN EACH COUNCIL MEMBER MAKES A NOMINATION TO EACH BOARD, BUT THEY MAKE AN APPOINTMENT CORRESPONDENT TO THEIR PLACE.

SO PLACE ONE WOULD MAKE NOMINATIONS FOR EVERY PLACE ONE ON EVERY BOARD AND COMMISSION THAT THE CITY OF NORTH RICHLAND HILLS HAS.

PLACE TWO WOULD MAKE IT FOR THEIR PLACE TWO POSITIONS AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.

AND THERE IS NO VETO, THERE'S NO DELETE.

[00:25:02]

IT'S JUST YOU GET ALL THE APPLICATIONS.

THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD HAPPEN IS, LET'S SAY PLACE ONE, YOU GET ALL THE APPLICATIONS AND RONNIE GETS THOSE SAME APPLICATIONS AND BOTH OF YOU WANT TO APPOINT THE SAME PERSON TO THAT. SO THEY SAY THEY HAVE LIKE A LITTLE BACKUP JUST IN CASE THEY NEED TO CHANGE THAT. BUT SO EVERY BOARD HAS ONE REPRESENTATION THAT HAS BEEN APPOINTED BY EACH COUNCIL MEMBER. SO THAT'S HOW THEY DO THAT.

THEY PLACE IT. ONCE THEY COME UP WITH THEIR LIST, THEY PLACE IT ON THEIR AGENDA, THEY REVIEW IT, THEY MAKE THEIR ACTION.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, THEY APPOINT THOSE AND THEN THEIR BOARD SERVICE BEGINS.

AND THOSE WERE ALL OF THE CITIES THAT I WAS CONTACTED.

ACTUALLY, MONICA HELPED ME WITH THIS.

SHE WAS THE ONE THAT DID THE LEGWORK TO TALKING TO EVERYBODY FOR ME.

SO IT WAS VERY INTERESTING AND EVERYBODY CAME BACK WITH, IF YOU GUYS MAKE ANY CHANGES, TELL US WHAT YOU DID.

SO ACTUALLY SOME OF THEM PROBABLY LIKE WHAT WE DID, BUT SO HERE'S YOUR DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION. SO, COUNCIL, NOW THAT YOU'VE SEEN THIS.

GO BACK TO MANSFIELD.

I'M KIND OF LIKING THIS.

THIS IS KIND OF AN INDEPENDENT THING.

YOU KNOW, THE DEPARTMENT IS HAVING TO WORK WITH THESE PEOPLE.

THEY SHOULD HAVE A SAY IN IT.

I'M KIND OF LIKE IN MANSFIELD.

YEAH, I ACTUALLY.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT WE'RE, THIS KIND OF TIES IN A LITTLE BIT OF A COMBO OF SOME OF THE OTHER ONES IS, IS SOME SORT OF RUBRIC WE PUT TOGETHER A RUBRIC OR A SCORING WHEN WE'RE PUTTING OUT BIDS AND THAT ALLOWS IT TO NARROW IT DOWN, YOU KNOW. BUT LET ME GO BACK FOR JUST A SECOND AND GO BACK TO AN INITIAL DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD, WHICH IS HAVE WE UPDATED THE APPLICATION ON THE WEBSITE YET? I BELIEVE SO, YES.

RIGHT. AND WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT INCLUDES THE DATE OF SUBMISSION.

YES. AND THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO PUT FIRST CHOICE IN.

SECOND CHOICE AND THIRD CHOICE.

AWESOME. AND THAT AND JUST SO JUST TO CLARIFY, WE DID GO BACK AND RESEARCH ON THE DATE OF THE APPLICATION. IF THEY DO IT ONLINE, IT IS ALL HELD INSIDE THE SYSTEM AND WE CAN RUN A REPORT, WHICH WE DID.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE DATE THAT THOSE WERE ALL THOSE WERE ALL APPLIED.

WE HAVE THOSE DATES. WE HAVEN'T MISSED A DATE.

WE HAVE ALL THOSE DATES BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD I'VE HEARD FROM SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN TRYING TO GET ON A PARTICULAR BOARD FOR A WHILE, AND IT'S A SIMPLE BOARD, AND I CAN'T FOR THE LIFE OF ME FIGURE OUT WHY HE'S BEEN OVERLOOKED MULTIPLE TIMES, BUT TO HAVE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE CAN MOVING FORWARD, I DEFINITELY THINK WE NEED TO ADJUST THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DOING IT.

I REALLY TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND OR SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THEIR DEPARTMENTS, UNLESS THAT'S NOT THE I SEE A GREEN SAYING NOPE, NOPE, NOT AT ALL.

OKAY. SO THERE'S TWO WAYS TO GO WITH IT.

EITHER WE INVOLVE THEM OR I DO THINK WE PUT SOME SORT OF SCORING SYSTEM INTO PLACE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO INTERVIEW EVERYBODY.

THAT APPLIES EVERY SINGLE TIME.

I THINK IF WE CAN NARROW DOWN TO THE TOP FIVE BASED ON A SCORING AND THEN WE INTERVIEW THEM THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE 50 PEOPLE COMING FORWARD FOR US TO INTERVIEW.

I, I THINK IT SHOULD BE ALL THE COUNCIL.

I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE THREE PEOPLE.

I THINK IT SHOULD BE OPEN MEETING RECORDED.

I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE OPEN MEETING.

AND IN OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION ROOM, I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE THE PERSON I'M TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY PUTTING ON A BORDER COMMISSION SITTING SIX FEET AWAY FROM ME.

IT WOULD MAKE ME FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE.

SO MAYBE SOME SORT OF COMBO OF THAT.

SO I DO WANT TO SAY, THOUGH, THAT WHEN WE PRESENT THE APPLICATIONS TO THE APPOINTMENTS AND COUNCIL POLICIES COMMITTEE, THERE IS A SORT OF A RUBRICS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO IT'S BY HOW MANY BOARDS HAVE THEY APPLIED FOR, WHAT THEIR ATTENDANCE IS, IF IT'S A REAPPOINTMENT, BECAUSE THERE IS THAT AND THEN WHERE THEIR CURRENT TERM IS ON THERE.

AND THEN ALSO WE TRY TO SEE IF THEY'VE APPLIED IN THE PAST.

WE BRING THAT OUT AND SAY, HEY, THIS PERSON HAS APPLIED IN THE PAST.

UNFORTUNATELY, WITH RE APPOINTMENTS AND HAVING NO TERM LIMITS WITH YOUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, YOU COULD HAVE SOMEBODY SERVING A REALLY LONG TIME SO THAT THAT'S FOR RE APPOINTMENTS. I'M LOOKING SO I THINK WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE THINGS GOING ON HERE FOR SURE IS THE RUBRIC FOR RE APPOINTMENTS SETTING SOME TERM LIMITS ON THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS? SORRY, THERE ARE TERMS ON THERE. I'M SORRY, BUT THE TERM LIMITS ARE LIKE

[00:30:03]

THREE TERM, RIGHT. THREE, THREE YEAR TERMS. THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S NINE YEARS. WE DID NOT HAVE IT AND NOW WE'VE.

YEAH. SO WE THEN, HAVING THE RUBRIC FOR NEW APPLICANTS HAD THEY SERVED.

SO I'M THINKING OF THINGS LIKE HAVE THEY SERVED ON A PREVIOUS BOARD OR COMMISSION.

WE DO THAT TOO BECAUSE IF THEY TERM OFF OF ONE BOARD THEY CAN GO ON TO ANOTHER.

SO IF THEY'VE APPLIED, THEN WE PUT THAT ON THERE TOO.

SO IT'S ON THERE, IT'S ON THERE, IT'S ON THE SHEET, IT'S ON THE APPLICATION, TOO.

IT'S ACTUALLY YEAH, IT'S ON THE APPLICATION, TOO.

WE CAN DO A SYNOPSIS SHEET ON THE FRONT.

SURE, BUT IT'S ALL IN THE APPLICATION.

IT SAYS HAVE YOU SERVED ON ANOTHER BOARD OR COMMISSION INSIDE THE CITY OR WITH ANOTHER CITY OR WITH ANOTHER ORGANIZATION? SO YEAH, SO WE CAN JUST RUBRIC ALL THAT TOGETHER.

WE JUST ADD THAT TO THE FIRST PAGE.

HOW DO YOU MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE COUNCIL PEOPLE TO TO LOOK AT THIS GUY AND SAY, CHECK, CHECK. THIS IS A FIVE, THIS IS A FOUR, THIS IS A 3 TO 1.

AND NOW HE'S GOT A TEN.

SO HERE'S MY THREE TENS.

NOW, LET ME LOOK AT LOOK AT THIS, BECAUSE I ALSO THINK IT FOR SOME OF THESE POSITIONS IN PARTICULAR IS THEIR BACKGROUND AND EXPERIENCE.

AND HOW WOULD YOU RATE THAT IN A 1 TO 5 KIND OF RATING? YEAH, I'LL LET THE MEMBERS OF THE APPOINTMENTS AND COUNCIL POLICIES COMMITTEE KIND OF SPEAK TO WHAT THEIR REVIEW PROCESS IS CURRENTLY, IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO OR IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE.

I DO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, AS A MATTER OF FACT.

THERE'S NOT ANYTHING THAT I KNOW OF THAT'S BEEN WRONG WITH THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DOING IT.

THERE'S BEEN NO PROBLEMS. AND FOR MYSELF, JUST TO CHANGE FOR THE SAKE OF CHANGE, I DON'T CARE FOR THAT.

I AM FOR STICKING WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF YOU, BUT THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT IT.

YOU KNOW, FOR ME, I LIKE THE LOOK OF THE MANSFIELD.

LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WOULD I THINK AND THAT NEED TO BE ADDED ON HERE.

I LIKE IT. I LIKE BEDFORD'S THAT THEY KNOW THAT THE CITIZENS KNOW EXACTLY WHEN THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO COME UP.

WHEN WHEN IS THE VOTE GOING TO HAPPEN? IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE EVERY THIRD TUESDAY OF SEPTEMBER.

SO THERE IS NOT THAT CONFUSION OF TRYING TO KNOW WHEN DO I NEED TO GET MY APPLICATION? IS THERE ANY OPENINGS, THAT KIND OF STUFF.

SO I LIKE THAT PART OF BEDFORD.

YOU KNOW, IF THAT WAS KIND OF INCORPORATED SOME WAY IN WITH THE MANSFIELD AND YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE THE ONE THING I'D ADD.

AND THEN FOR ME, I THINK THE TERM LIMITS IS AN ISSUE.

WE HAVE WE HAVE TOO MANY OF THEM.

THREE, THREE YEAR TERMS IS A LONG TIME TO SPEND.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT REDUCED AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, A MENTION THAT THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH IT. WELL, I THINK THERE IS.

WE TALKED TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO SAY, WELL, GEE, I NEVER GET PICKED.

I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M NOT PICKED, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT REALLY WANTS TO BE ON THE LIBRARY BOARD AND, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT HE'S JUST NOT ON THERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS COME UP.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE CAN BE A PROBLEM.

MAYBE IT'S NOT ON THE INDIVIDUAL LEVEL.

WE DON'T SEE A PROBLEM. BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME THAT WANT TO KNOW, WELL, GEE, MY NAME WASN'T EVEN ON THE LIST FOR AN APPOINTMENT.

WHY IS THAT? AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY DIDN'T SEND IT IN.

I DON'T KNOW. WE NEED A GOOD LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY THERE.

SO I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE OF THE MANSFIELD, BUT WE ACTUALLY HAVE A SET DATE OF WHEN WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR BOARDS AND APPOINTMENT COMMITTEES.

I'D LIKE TO SEE IT STAGGERED.

WE DO ALL OF OUR COMMITTEES IN THE SAME TIME, RIGHT? SO THE TERMS ARE STAGGERED ON EACH INDIVIDUAL BOARD, MUCH LIKE THE CITY COUNCIL TERMS ARE STAGGERED. SO YOU WILL BE PRESENTED LIKE THERE COULD BE A YEAR AND THERE HAS BEEN A YEAR IN PAST WHERE WE WOULD HAVE THE, LET'S SAY THE ANIMAL SERVICES COMMITTEE AND THERE IS ONLY TWO PEOPLE UP FOR RE APPOINTMENT.

THERE'S NO VACANCIES.

EVERYBODY ELSE, THEY STILL HAVE A FULL TERM TO GO.

SO IT'S ONE YEAR THAT THERE'S ONLY TWO POSITIONS OPEN AND THOSE ARE RE APPOINTMENTS THAT ARE NOT AN OPEN IN DIFFERENT VACANCIES.

SO THE TENDENCY IS FOR COUNCIL TO REAPPOINT ALL THEIR RE APPOINTEES WHO HAVE APPLIED, WHO HAVE SERVED ON THAT BOARD AND COMMISSION AS LONG AS THEIR ATTENDANCES IS CORRECT AND THEY'VE BEEN PARTICIPATING.

SO THEREFORE YOU COULD HAVE A WHOLE YEAR, YOU COULD HAVE MORE THAN ONE YEAR.

I MEAN, THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE YEARS WHERE WE HAVE NO NEED TO APPOINT ANY VACANCIES TO ANY BOARD. THEY'RE JUST ALL LITERALLY RE APPOINTMENTS.

AND SO THOSE TEND TO BE REAPPOINTED, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S NO PROBLEM OR ISSUE WITH THAT MEMBER SERVING ON THAT BOARD.

WHICH GOES TO COUNCIL MEMBER STANFORD'S POINT THOUGH, IF YOU REDUCE THE TERMS THAT THEY CAN SERVE ON THERE, THEN YOU DO OPEN UP THE ABILITY TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE TURN OVER ON THOSE BOARDS. HOWEVER, I WOULD TELL YOU THAT SOMETIMES THE TURNOVER, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT SOME CONSISTENCY ON SOME OF THOSE BOARDS, ESPECIALLY LIKE IF YOU HAD LIKE THE PARK BOARD THAT'S BEEN DEALING WITH A LOT OF BIG ISSUES THAT HAVE NOW FINALLY COME TO FRUITION THAT THEY'VE WORKED THROUGH IN THOSE NINE YEARS THAT THEY'VE BEEN ON THOSE BOARDS.

[00:35:03]

MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I JUST OFFER A FEW OTHER THOUGHTS, TOO, AS YOU'RE THINKING THROUGH THIS ISSUE, AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE MANSFIELD MODEL, I WOULD HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT STAFF LIAISONS TO THESE DIFFERENT BOARDS, MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS OF WHO GETS ON THE BOARD AND WHO DOESN'T. THAT'S AN INHERENTLY POLITICAL FUNCTION OF FIGURING OUT WHAT WHO THE APPOINTMENTS TO THOSE BOARDS ARE.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR STAFF TO MAKE DECISIONS OF WHICH CITIZENS ARE NOT GETTING ON BOARDS AND WHICH ARE.

SO I THINK THAT'S A CONCERN WE WOULD HAVE FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE.

CERTAINLY STAFF COULD COME UP WITH SOME METRICS TO FIGURE OUT, AND I THINK WE'VE DONE SOME OF THAT WITH THE APPOINTMENTS COMMITTEE IN THE PAST, BUT WE COULD TRY TO COME UP WITH WHAT ARE SOME FACTORS FOR EACH BOARD THAT MIGHT BE RELEVANT AND HELP YOU EVALUATE THOSE FACTORS. BUT THE THE FUNDAMENTAL DECISION OF WHO GETS ON THE BOARD, I BELIEVE, NEEDS TO BE WITH THE COUNCIL AND THAT RECOMMENDATION NEEDS TO COME FROM THE COUNCIL.

I THINK THE STAFF COULD BE PUT IN SOME VERY DIFFICULT POLITICAL POSITIONS BY DOING THAT.

THAT'S MY FAVORITE THAT TO YOU? THAT'S MY FAVORITE RIGHT THERE, BRIAN.

THE CLEVELAND ONE. JUST WHEN I WAS STARTING TO WARM UP TO THAT IDEA, YOU POUR COLD WATER ON THE DIFFICULTY.

YEAH, SOME OF THESE PROPOSALS IS THAT THE REALITY MAY NOT BE EXACTLY WHAT THE STAFF REPRESENTATIVES HAVE PRESENTED TO AMANDA.

AND I'M SIMPLY WANTING TO POINT THIS OUT, THAT THERE'S SOME HYBRIDS TO THIS.

OBVIOUSLY, I AM FREQUENTLY AT MANSFIELD CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, AND I KNOW EXACTLY HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS.

AND TO LEAVE YOU WITH THE IMPRESSION THAT THE STAFF LIAISON RECOMMENDS SPECIFIC PEOPLE TO THE COUNCIL WOULD NOT BE AN ACCURATE REPRESENTATION OF THAT PROCESS.

WHAT BASICALLY HAPPENS IS THE STAFF DEPARTMENT SENDS A REPRESENTATIVE TO THE COUNCIL MEETING, AND WHEN THAT COMMITTEE COMES UP, THEY'RE THE RESOURCE PERSON.

AND THE COUNCIL THEN SAYS, DOES THIS PERSON WHO IS APPLYING FOR REAPPOINTMENT HAVE A GOOD ATTENDANCE RECORD? DO THEY PARTICIPATE? ARE THEY A PROBLEM IN GETTING THEM THERE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A QUORUM? THEY ASK QUESTIONS OF THE STAFF RESOURCE PERSON.

THE STAFF REPORT SOURCE PERSON DOESN'T SAY, WE RECOMMEND YOU APPOINT JOE SMITH.

THEY'RE SIMPLY THERE TO ANSWER COUNCIL QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT MEMBER'S PARTICIPATION HISTORY. AND I WILL BE HONEST, ON OCCASIONS THEY HAVE BEEN INTERROGATED ABOUT IS THIS PERSON DISRUPTIVE OR CONSTRUCTIVE IN HELPING THAT PROCESS GO.

YOU DO HAVE SOME CITIZENS THAT OCCASIONALLY ON BOARDS CAN BE MORE DISRUPTIVE AND THAT COMMENT WILL COME UP AND THE STAFF WILL GET ASKED.

BUT THEY DON'T VOLUNTEER SUGGESTIONS, THEY ANSWER QUESTIONS.

SO I THINK I THINK WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A IS A CONFLICT OF AN ADOPTED POLICY, WHICH IS WHAT THIS COMES FROM IN RIGHT.

AN ADOPTED POLICY BY THE COUNCIL AND A GENERAL PRACTICE OF HOW THEY'VE DEVIATED FROM THAT POLICY OVER TIME.

THEY PROBABLY NEED TO GO BACK AND REDO THEIR POLICY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY DID, WAS SEND US THEIR POLICY, THEIR ADOPTED POLICY.

I JUST AS A MEMBER OF THIS COMMITTEE OR JUST A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS FIRST.

IF IT WERE ON A ON AN ANNUAL DATE, HOW WOULD SOMETIMES INDIVIDUALS MOVE OR OR THINGS COME UP AND THEY CAN NO LONGER SERVE, SO IF IT'S ON A SPECIFIC DATE, MY CONCERN WOULD BE THEN WE WOULDN'T WOULD WE NOT FILL IT AS NEEDED AS THE POSITIONS OPENED UP? SO CURRENTLY WE DO HAVE IT'S NOT A SPECIFIC DATE, BUT WE DO WE MAKE APPOINTMENTS BEFORE SEPTEMBER 30TH OF EVERY YEAR.

SO COUNCIL MAKES IT EITHER ON THE FIRST MEETING OF SEPTEMBER OR THE SECOND MEETING OF SEPTEMBER EVERY YEAR.

THOSE ARE OUR REGULAR APPOINTMENTS.

WE START ASKING FOR APPLICATIONS IN JULY.

WE TAKE APPLICATIONS ALL YEAR LONG, BUT WE DO A TARGETED, FOCUSED WITH COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT PUSH OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY IN THE MONTH OF JULY.

AND WE DO HAVE A DEADLINE ON THOSE JUST BECAUSE IT HELPS US COLLECT THOSE, BUT WE WILL TAKE APPLICATIONS UP UNTIL THAT DAY THAT THE APPOINTMENTS AND COUNCIL POLICIES COMMITTEE IS MEETING.

JUST BECAUSE WE FEEL LIKE A HARD, FAST DEADLINE ON THOSE APPLICATIONS COMING IN IS DIFFICULT. SO ONE THING WITH THE CITY OF EULESS, WHEN THEY DO THAT OR WHAT, WHO WAS IT THAT DID THE THIRD? THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A HARD DEADLINE ON WHEN APPLICATIONS COME IN AND IF YOU DON'T, BEDFORD, SO IF YOU DON'T MAKE THE DEADLINE THAT'S WHY I'M TELLING YOU THIS WAS JUST LIKE A GENERAL OVERVIEW. WHEN YOU GET BACK INTO THE SPECIFICS, I WILL TELL YOU THEY HAVE A VERY STRICT DEADLINE FOR APPLICATIONS TO BE APPOINTED ON THAT OR CONSIDERED ON THAT THIRD TUESDAY OF SEPTEMBER. AND SO ANYBODY THAT COMES IN AFTER THAT DEADLINE, THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERED FOR THAT YEAR. THEY HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER YEAR TO BE CONSIDERED.

SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I AGREE WE SHOULD HAVE IT SAY, OKAY, LET'S SAY IT'S THE FIRST

[00:40:01]

REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING OF EVERY SEPTEMBER.

WE CAN NARROW IT DOWN TO THAT.

BUT I JUST THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T GET TOO STRICT ON HOW WE ACCEPT APPLICATIONS OR HOW WE PROCESS THOSE APPLICATIONS.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY, BECAUSE WE DO GET PEOPLE THAT FORGET, GETTING BUSY AND RUNNING LIKE, OH, I DIDN'T PUT IN MY APPLICATION, BUT IF WE GET IT THE DAY BEFORE, WE WILL PROCESS IT. I'M SORRY.

GO AHEAD. I JUST BEFORE I FORGET, I THOUGHT SO.

AS A COMMITTEE MEMBER, I WAS GIVEN A BOOKLET THAT I, THAT WE LOOKED THROUGH.

I MAY HAVE RECOGNIZED TWO OR THREE NAMES, AND I'VE LIVED HERE MY WHOLE LIFE, BASICALLY.

AND SO I GENUINELY THE FIRST THING I LOOKED AT WAS THE MAP.

AND BEFORE I EVEN REALLY I'M LIKE, OH, JOE SMITH, BECAUSE THEY'RE COLOR CODED DOTS.

ONE COLOR IS EXISTING BOARD MEMBERS AND THE OTHER COLOR IS APPLICANTS.

AND SO YOU WOULD SAY THERE'S A VACANCY, OH, SO-AND-SO'S ROLLING OFF.

OK, SO THIS AREA OF OUR COMMUNITY DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT HAS ANYONE OR MAYBE THREE BOARD MEMBERS SIT IN THIS AREA OF OUR COMMUNITY.

BUT OVER HERE WE HAVE AN APPLICANT AND THERE ISN'T ANYONE WHO'S CURRENTLY SERVING FROM THAT AREA OF OUR COMMUNITY AND IS THE ONLY APPLICANT.

SO I WOULD PULL UP THERE.

I WOULD LOOK THROUGH THEIR APPLICATION AND SAY WELL, THEY'VE LISTED AND THEY'RE A VOLUNTEER, THEY LOVE BOOKS OR WHATEVER COMMITTEE AND EVEN IF IT WASN'T NECESSARILY THAT COMMITTEE RELEVANT JUST I'VE ENJOYED, I ENJOY VOLUNTEERING AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, THAT PERSON SEEMS LIKE IT MIGHT BE A GOOD FIT.

I THINK THE PROBLEM IS I CAN STRUGGLE WITH THIS AS ALWAYS, PUTTING INTO WORDS MY EXPERIENCE AND ADEQUATELY CONVEYING ON PAPER WHAT I COULD BRING TO ANY PARTICULAR COMMITTEE. AND SO I THINK, I DON'T KNOW, IN SOME WAYS I WAS UNTIL YOU RAINED ON THE PARADE, BRYAN. I WAS IN SOME WAYS THINKING THE LIAISON COULD NOT NECESSARILY VET BUT HELP PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL INSIGHT.

YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE TALKING TO ME AND I'M LIKE, OH, YEAH, I DID, I HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH THIS, BUT I DIDN'T THINK TO WRITE IT DOWN.

I THINK THAT SOMETIMES THE STRUGGLE, BUT MY QUESTION SO WE JUST MADE RECOMMENDATION AND THEN IT COMES BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND IF YOU ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES THOUGHT ANOTHER PERSON WAS A BETTER FIT. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, DID THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS RECEIVE THE WHOLE BOOKLET? NO, NO, THEY HAVE NOT.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN HELPFUL OF? OK, I SEE THAT YOU THREE RECOMMEND JOE SMITH FOR THIS BOARD, BUT I SAW THIS APPLICATION AND IT LOOKED SO IN THAT PUBLIC MEETING.

THE THING IS, WE DO ALL VOTE.

I DON'T WANT WE'RE JUST RECOMMENDING AND THEN OUR WHOLE COUNCIL VOTES ON AND I RECOGNIZE IT'S BEEN PREVIOUSLY LISTED ON CONSENT, BUT ANY ONE OF US CAN REMOVE AN ITEM FROM CONSENT TO, TO DELIBERATE.

AND, AND SO IF THERE WERE, THERE WAS SOMEONE THAT ONE OF US IDENTIFIED AS A GOOD POSSIBILITY FOR THAT COMMITTEE, WOULD THAT NOT BE A GOOD TIME TO DISCUSS THAT? IS THIS INFORMATION THAT MAYBE WOULD BE HELPFUL IF IT WENT TO ALL OF US? AND ANOTHER IDEA IS I'M PRETTY SURE I ONLY RECEIVED IT AT OUR COMMITTEE MEETING.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF I GOT SOME HEADS UP, MAYBE I COULD CALL SOME OF THESE INDIVIDUALS OR IF THAT'S EVEN APPROPRIATE AND SAY, HI, I SAW THAT YOU HAVE AN INTEREST IN SERVING ON OUR LIBRARY BOARD. I'M A PRETTY BIG BOOK GEEK TO KNOW WHAT INTERESTS YOU IN SERVING ON THIS, BUT I WILL SAY I GENUINELY LOOKED AT THE DOTS FIRST AND THEN TRIED TO HAVE DIVERSIFIED THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY REPRESENTATION ON EACH BOARD THAT HAD AVAILABILITY.

BUT I WILL SAY, AS SOMEONE WHO APPLIED FOR BOARDS FOR SEVERAL TIMES AND WASN'T EVER PICKED, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THAT'S MY PERCEPTION, RIGHT? I WAS LIKE, I SWEAR I APPLIED LIKE THREE YEARS IN A ROW.

BUT THE TERM LIMITS, I THINK THAT DISSUADES PEOPLE FROM APPLYING OR GETS IT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TURNOVER.

WE DO THIS BIG PUSH ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND THE WEBSITES TO APPLY, APPLY, APPLY.

AND THEN SITTING BACK THERE I WAS LIKE, WE'RE ONLY FILLING OVER ALL OF THESE BOARDS.

I THINK WE FILLED SIX POSITIONS BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE WAS A? A REAPPOINTMENT.

WAS A REAPPOINTMENT.

SO THAT'S ALSO THE PERCEPTION.

SO I DEFINITELY WANT TO RECONSIDER THE IDEA OF LESS.

I WOULD LIKE I DON'T KNOW IF TWO YEAR TERMS OR OR TWO, THREE YEAR TERMS LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT TERM OPTIONS, BECAUSE I THINK THAT MIGHT ENCOURAGE MORE PEOPLE TO APPLY, IT MIGHT ENCOURAGE MORE TURNOVER, AND THEN SOMEONE WOULD FEEL LIKE THEY GOT IN SOONER AND THEY WEREN'T WAITING AS LONG.

I THINK THOSE THINGS MIGHT HELP.

AND THEN ALSO ENABLING THE WHOLE COUNCIL TO SEE ALL OF THE APPLICANTS.

I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT I FEEL COMFORTABLE INTERVIEWING IN PARTICULAR. I CAN'T IMAGINE THE STRESS THAT I THINK ABOUT, HOW JITTERY I GET, JUST TALKING AND SITTING UP HERE AND THEN ASKING AN APPLICANT TO COME UP AND TELL US HOW SOME

[00:45:04]

ARE GOING TO. THAT'S GOING TO BE THEIR STRONG SUIT AND SOME OR NOT.

SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT PIECE, BUT THAT'S JUST MY SENSE.

JUST SO WE KNOW, THIS IS THE COUNCIL'S PROCESS BECAUSE THESE ARE YOUR APPOINTMENTS AND THESE ARE YOUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

AND WE WILL FOLLOW WHATEVER THE COUNCIL WANTS US TO DO IN WHATEVER PROCESS THAT YOU WANT US TO DO. IT'S, AND WE ARE NOT BOUND BY ANYTHING HERE.

I MEAN, I'M SURE ALLEN WILL TELL YOU THE SAME THING.

WE ARE NOT BOUND BY ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

THAT'S IT. SO ANY OUTSIDE OF THAT, IT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL TO GIVE DIRECTION ON HOW THEY WANT TO CHANGE THIS.

AND AND I WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND THAT WE FORMALLY ADOPT A PROCESS AT ANOTHER COUNCIL POLICY AND FORMALLY ADOPT HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS AND WHETHER IT'S REMAINING THE SAME WAY THAT WE ARE OR WHETHER IT'S MODIFYING WHAT WE DO OR IF IT'S TRASHING EVERYTHING AND COMING UP WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

RIGHT. SO THANK YOU.

I AGREE WE DO NEED A FORMAL POLICY ON THIS.

SO THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE FOLLOWED.

AND WE'VE CLEARLY STATED HERE SEVERAL REASONS WHY ADDRESSING THIS.

NOW, WHEN'S THE LAST TIME THIS WAS EVEN ADDRESSED OR CHANGED? RIGHT. SO JUST JUST BECAUSE IT HAS WORKED, RONNIE, I DO WANT TO STATE THIS, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S NOT A BETTER WAY TO DO IT.

AND THAT'S KIND OF SOME OF WHAT WE LOOK AT WITH BRINGING IN NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS IS HOW DO WE LOOK AT SOME OF THESE THINGS AND FIND IMPROVEMENTS.

SO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT DO CONCERN ME THAT I WAS AWARE OF.

AND COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON, YOU JUST VERIFIED THAT THEY GET THE BOOK RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING. THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO TIME TO REVIEW.

YES. IF THERE'S SOMEONE'S NAME THAT YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO JUMP OUT AT YOU, OBVIOUSLY.

TWO, I DO UNDERSTAND TRYING TO GEOGRAPHICALLY DIVERSIFY THE PEOPLE ON THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. BUT IF THAT'S THE STARTING POINT, THEN WE HAVE AN ISSUE.

WELL, OKAY, SO I'M JUST GOING TO, THAT WAS ACTUALLY SOMETHING WE DID CHANGE IN THE PROCESS ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO.

COUNCIL GAVE ME THE DIRECTION TO ADD DIVERSITY ON TO THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, AND WHEN I ASKED LEGAL BETSY [INAUDIBLE].

I SAID, THAT MAKES ME FEEL ANXIOUS ON HOW DO I CREATE DIVERSITY BECAUSE I DON'T ASK FOR THEIR GENDER, WE DON'T ASK FOR THEIR AGE, WE DON'T ASK FOR ANY OF THAT.

SO SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS WERE GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION ADDS DIVERSITY AND THEN LENGTH OF TIME IN THE CITY OF BURLESON.

SO WE ASK, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN A CITIZEN? SO THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT THE BOARD AND SAY, THIS PERSON, WE HAVE ONE MEMBER THAT'S BEEN ON THERE THAT'S BEEN A CITIZEN ONE YEAR AND ONE MEMBER THAT'S BEEN HERE 20 YEARS.

SO THERE CREATES YOUR DIVERSITY, GEOGRAPHICALLY DIVERSE AND THEN AGE DIVERSITY.

THAT'S WHY THAT IS THERE IN PLACE.

IT'S TO TRY TO CREATE THE CHARGE THAT THE COUNCIL GAVE ME, WHICH WAS TO CREATE DIVERSITIES ON THE BOARD.

AND AFTER REVIEW OF THAT, WE COULD NOT DO IT BY GENDER OR AGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHERE THOSE TWO FACTORS THAT MAKE SENSE.

THANK YOU. THAT THAT DOES MAKE SENSE.

BUT I ALSO FEEL LIKE THERE IS SO THAT COULD BE A PART OF THIS RUBRIC/WORKSHEET.

ONE OF THEM SAID THERE WAS A WORKSHEET RIGHT AND SO LENGTH OF TIME IN THE CITY DEPENDING UPON THE OTHERS THAT ARE ON THAT BOARD AT THAT MOMENT.

RIGHT? AS WELL AS GEOGRAPHY IN THE CITY COULD PLAY A PART.

BUT IF THEY'VE APPLIED FOR SIX YEARS IN A ROW, THAT SHOULD SUPERSEDE GEOGRAPHY BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET ON THIS BOARD.

AND WE HAVE I MEAN, WE HAVE.

SO TO ME, I FEEL LIKE THERE ARE TIMES WHEN YOU'VE GOT SOMEONE THAT'S TRYING TO GET ON FOR SIX YEARS AND CAN'T GET ON A BOARD BECAUSE THERE WERE NO TERM LIMITS LIKE OR THEY'RE TOO MUCH TOO MANY YEARS OF PEOPLE BEING REAPPOINTED.

SO I THINK THERE'S SOMEWHERE WE CAN FALL IN THE MIDDLE TO TRY TO FIND A MIDDLE POINT HERE.

I DEFINITELY THINK HAVING THE BOOK MUCH, MUCH SOONER.

I THINK THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THE BOOK TO EVERY ONE OF US, THEN EVERY ONE OF US SHOULD BE A PART OF THIS. I DON'T.

SO HERE'S THE THING THAT OVERALL CONCERNS ME.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT PLANNING AND ZONING AND THE PLANNING ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, THESE ARE BOARDS THAT ARE WELL BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THE LIBRARY BOARD OR THE CEMETERY BOARD.

THERE'S LEGAL RECOURSE THAT CAN BE TAKEN AGAINST THESE PEOPLE.

THERE ARE SOME VERY SERIOUS PLEASE TELL ME WHAT THE LEGAL JARGON IS FOR, WHAT THEIR ROLE IS, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU KNOW, OR WHATEVER THE PHRASEOLOGY IS FOR THEIR.

WHAT IS IT? CALLS THAT JUDICIAL.

THAT'S THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS ONLY NOT THE PLANNING, ZONING, ZONING.

NO. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS NOT QUASI JUDICIAL.

THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS IS THEY ARE VERY THEY ARE INDEPENDENT, HAVE THEIR OWN COUNSEL PRESENT.

EVEN THOUGH [INAUDIBLE] IS THERE.

WE'RE PAYING THEM. THEY ARE NOT REPRESENTING US.

THEY'RE REPRESENTING THE BOARD.

THEY DO TAKE PUBLIC TESTIMONY.

[00:50:01]

IT'S VERY FORMAL THE WAY THEY DO.

THEY SWORN IN AND THEY GIVE TESTIMONY DURING THOSE.

AND SO, YES, THAT IS THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS IS THE ONLY ONE.

[A. Receive a report, hold a discussion and provide staff direction regarding McNairn Rd. (Staff Presenter: Eric Oscarson, Director of Public Works)]

BUT THE P AND Z, WE ALL KNOW, IS THE THE NEXT MOST POWERFUL BOARD AND COMMISSION THAT WE HAVE. AND IT DOES HAVE A LOT OF WEIGHT TO IT.

AND HAVING PEOPLE WHO ARE KNOWLEDGEABLE HAVE A BACKGROUND AND THEN CAN FUNCTION WELL WITH OTHER PEOPLE IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT.

THE THING THAT OUR CITY MANAGER STATED RIGHT WHEN HE FIRST STARTED TALKING WAS THIS IS A VERY POLITICAL THING.

HE SAID THERE'S A POLITICAL BACKGROUND TO THIS.

AND THAT IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO AVOID IS THREE PEOPLE MAKING A DECISION ON WHO GOES ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND SO THAT THERE'S NO OUTSIDE PURVIEW OF WELL, THEY'RE GRANTING, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DISCUSS THIS OUT AMONG ALL OF US.

WE DON'T DEFINITELY WANT TO INTERVIEW EVERYBODY IN ANYBODY.

BUT IF WE NARROWED IT DOWN AND WE HAD A RUBRIC OR A WORKSHEET THAT NARROWED IT DOWN TO SAY, HEY, HERE'S OUR TOP FIVE, TOP THREE, WHATEVER WE WANT TO MAKE IT FOR THIS BOARD, THIS BOARD, THIS BOARD, THEN WE TALK TO THOSE TOP, THEN WE'RE NOT INTERVIEWING THE ENTIRE 50 PEOPLE. IF THERE IS 50 PEOPLE.

I DO BELIEVE THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO DO THIS.

AND THAT'S INVOLVING THE ENTIRE COUNCIL.

AND I THINK IT'S, I THINK THAT IT'S A DISSERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY BY NOT DOING THAT.

I THINK IT SHOULD BE IN FRONT OF EVERYONE.

IT SHOULD BE LIVE AND IT SHOULD BE RECORDED AND SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE PLAYED BACK.

I AGREE WITH RONNIE. I THINK WE'VE DONE IT.

THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL THROUGH THE YEARS BECAUSE THE WAY WE ACTUALLY DO THE PROCESS AND IT'S NOT JUST GIVEN TO THREE MEMBERS, IT'S GIVEN TO THE WHOLE COUNCIL BECAUSE YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO VOICE YOUR OPINION IN A COUNCIL MEETING.

SO THE THREE PEOPLE ARE JUST MAKING SUGGESTIONS FOR THE COUNCIL AND SAVING THE COUNCIL A LOT OF TIME COMING UP HERE AND INTERVIEWING ALL THOSE PEOPLE.

SO I AGREE WITH RONNIE.

I THINK WE OUGHT TO. I DO I DO AGREE, THOUGH, ALSO WITH THE FACT THAT I THINK THE SHEETS AND THE INFORMATION ON THE PEOPLE SHOULD BE GIVEN TO US AT A MUCH SOONER PART IN THE PROCESS. BUT I AGREE WITH RONNIE.

I THINK I THINK WE OUGHT TO LEAVE THEM THE SAME.

SO HOW WOULD WE THEN BRING FORWARD SOMEONE ELSE IF WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE APPLICANTS ARE UNLESS THEY ARE ALL REACHING OUT TO US? HOW WOULD WE HAVE A SAY? THAT WOULDN'T SEEM THAT WE'RE GOING AGAINST YOU GUYS AND BEING CONTROVERSIAL BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED AT THIS POINT, RIGHT? IF WE VOICE OUR OPINION AGAINST YOU GUYS WITHOUT HAVING ALL OF THE KNOWLEDGE, THEN WE COME ACROSS AS BEING CANTANKEROUS AND NOT ACCEPTING THE VOTE OF OUR OUR FELLOW THREE COUNCIL MEMBER THREE IS NOT A QUORUM.

FOUR IS A QUORUM IN EVERY SINGLE THING ELSE, BUT WE ALLOW THIS TO BE THREE AND SO I'M ONE OF THE THREE. AND I AGREE WITH WHAT WHAT TAMARA IS SAYING.

THE ISSUE IS, YOU KNOW, YES, IT DOES COME BEFORE THE FULL COUNCIL, BUT IT COMES AS A CONSENT ITEM AND IT LISTS THOSE INDIVIDUALS.

IT'S NOT THE WHOLE BOOK.

YOU KNOW, THE REST OF YOU ALL DON'T GET A CHANCE TO SEE THE SAME NAMES THAT WE SAW.

SO IT'S NOT TRULY I MEAN, LET'S BE LET'S BE REAL HERE THAT YOU ALL DON'T HAVE A SAY, BECAUSE IF YOU DID, YOU WOULD HAVE ALL THE NAMES.

SO THE THE SMOKESCREEN OF ALLEGING THAT YOU ALL HAVE AN ACTUAL SAY ON THIS IS WRONG.

YOU DON'T YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THE NAMES.

YOU HAVE ONE NAME AND YOU CAN PICK THAT PERSON OR NOT PICK THAT PERSON, THAT IS NOT TRUE.

AND I'M IN FAVOR OF TRANSPARENCY.

I WANT TRANSPARENCY.

I WANT TO BE ABLE TO TO HAVE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WANT TO RUN FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

I WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO KNOW THAT WHEN THEY COME IN, THAT THEIR VOICE WILL BE HEARD, THAT THEY'LL HAVE A FAIR CHANCE TO ACTUALLY GET A CHANCE TO SIT ON A BOARD.

IF SOMEBODY IS APPLIED MULTIPLE TIMES, I'D LIKE THEM TO TO BE ABLE TO COME IN AND MEET WITH US AND COLLECTIVELY AS A BOARD, AS AN ENTIRE COUNCIL, BECAUSE WE WERE ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE OF BURLESON.

ALL OF US WERE NOT JUST THREE, BUT ALL OF US.

SO I WOULD LIKE THE PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A CHANCE TO COME IN AND RUN FOR BOARDS AND STUFF. AND I LIKE WHAT VICTORIA SAID ON, YOU KNOW, YOU THROW OUT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENCE.

I KIND OF LIKE TWO, TWO YEAR TERMS BECAUSE THAT ACTUALLY OPENS US UP.

SO SOMEBODY LIKE VICTORIA WHO, YOU KNOW, TRIED THIS SIX TIMES AND NEVER GOT IN, THAT SHOULDN'T BE THAT WAY. THAT DISCOURAGES AND WE SHOULD NOT DO THAT.

WE SHOULD HAVE THIS VERY OPEN.

IT SHOULD BE TRANSPARENT.

I LIKE THE YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED THE MANSFIELD ONE EARLIER AND I LIKE THE FACT OF WHAT COUNCIL SAID WHEN THEY SAID, HEY, THEY DON'T ACTUALLY DO IT THE WAY THE THE POLICY IS

[00:55:02]

WRITTEN. I ACTUALLY IS THEY'RE MORE AS A REFERENCE POINT, MORE AS SOMEBODY THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY REACH OUT TO AND SAY, HEY, HOW HAVE THEY BEEN? YOU KNOW, YOU'VE BEEN AT THESE COUNCIL MEETINGS.

HAVE THEY SHOWED UP OR THEY ALWAYS LATE, DO THEY CAUSE CONFRONTATIONS? DO THEY SLEEP THROUGH THE THING? IS THEIR SNORING DISRUPTIVE TO THE REST OF THE PEOPLE? YOU KNOW, THESE ARE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T GET A CHANCE TO SEE IT.

IT WOULD BE NICE TO TO HAVE THAT ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO BOUNCE THAT OFF THEM.

AMANDA DID HAVE THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS FOR EVERY COMMITTEE, BUT YOU DID HAVE THAT FEEDBACK LIKE, I DON'T KNOW YOUR PROCESS FOR WORKING WITH THE LIAISONS, BUT YOU DID SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE PERSON THAT WE MIGHT THAT MIGHT CONSIDER ROLLING OFF AND WE'RE REACHING OUT TO THEM BECAUSE ATTENDANCE HAS BEEN AN ISSUE.

CORRECT. BUT I, AND I MENTIONED THIS IN MY REMARKS OF WE'VE JUST BEEN PROVIDING A RECOMMENDATION. AND UNTIL THAT MEETING, WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH OUR PREP MATERIAL, DID I REALIZE THAT NOT EVERYONE PROBABLY SAW THE WHOLE PACKET? AND I THINK THAT, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT THE THE MIDDLE GROUND IS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BEST MIDDLE GROUND IS AS FAR AS LIKE GOING THROUGH ALL OF THOSE APPLICATIONS. AND THEN WE ALL HAVE A LIST OF FIVE THAT, WHAT IF WE ALL END UP BETWEEN SEVEN OF US HAVING FIVE DIFFERENT NAMES THAT WE THINK FOR A PARTICULAR POSITION? HOW DO WE WHITTLE THAT DOWN? HOW DO WE COME TO CONSENSUS? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER TO THAT IS, BUT I HAVE I DON'T THINK IT'S I DON'T THINK IT WAS IT'S MEANT TO BE IN ANY IN ANY COUNCIL MEETING.

WE'RE GIVEN ALL OF OUR MATERIALS TO REVIEW AND WE'RE ALL THAT'S THE PART OF IF WE PULL SOME ANY PARTICULAR ITEM OFF CONSENT OR WE MOVE SOMETHING TO CONSENT EITHER WAY SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE DEBATE AND DELIBERATE THINGS.

AND SO I DON'T SEE IT AS A NEGATIVE.

AND I HOPE THAT THAT'S NOT.

THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEING I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PURSUE HERE, IS I THINK THAT IF WE ARE ALL GIVEN THE EXACT SAME INFORMATION, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MIDDLE GROUND PIECE AS FAR AS HOW DO YOU WHITTLE DOWN, HOW DO YOU COME TO A CONSENSUS ON WHAT IF THERE'S ONLY ONE OPENING? HOW DO YOU KNOW WHO'S GOING TO FILL THAT IF SEVEN OF US ALL HAVE DIFFERENT NAMES FOR THAT SPOT? WELL, WE DID MANAGE TO DO IT, I THINK, WITH THE BOND COMMITTEE.

WE MANAGED TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON SOMEONE TO LEAD THAT BOND COMMITTEE, WHICH THAT HAD TO BE VOTED ON BY ALL OF US.

WE TALKED ABOUT IT. WE VOTED DOWN ONE, WE DISCUSSED ANOTHER.

WE SAID OKAY. AND IT PASSED, I THINK, WITH A GOOD RUBRIC AND A GOOD BREAKDOWN, IF GEOGRAPHY WAS OBVIOUSLY DIVERSITY, GEOGRAPHY AND AGE, OR HOW LONG YOU'VE LIVED IN THE CITY, THAT COULD BE FIVE POINTS.

SO WE'D END UP WITH THE SAME POINTS FOR THAT ON EVERY PERSON IF WE WERE DOING LOOKING AT IT CORRECTLY. RIGHT.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME SUBJECTIVITY TO, HEY, THEIR EXPERIENCE AND AND OR DESIRE TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE AND WHAT THEY WROTE COULD BE ANOTHER.

AND IT'S SUBJECTIVE. I GET IT.

BUT IT'S SUBJECTIVE NOW.

BUT NOW AT LEAST YOU WOULD HAVE IT A LITTLE MORE INCLUSIVE OF ALL THE COUNCIL.

AND TO ME, YOU KNOW, ONE WORD THAT COUNCIL MEMBER STANFORD USED WAS TRANSPARENT.

AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.

SO I THINK AS WE GO BACK AND FORTH AND NOT TO KILL SO MUCH TIME.

I THINK THAT WE NEED MORE OF A WORK SESSION, LIKE A LEGIT WORK SESSION ON THIS.

I THINK WE WE DO AGREE A COUPLE OF US AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS AT SOME POINT, BUT ON THE REDUCING THE TERM LIMIT TIME AND POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT PROCESS THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, THAT WOULD BE A VOTE.

THAT'S AN ORDINANCE. SO COUNCIL DID INCREASE THE TERMS OF THE COUNCIL OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. AND LET ME GIVE YOU THE BACK STORY ON THAT.

COUNCIL HAD TWO YEAR TERMS. WHEN THEY CHANGED TO THREE YEAR TERMS, IT WAS VIEWED AS WHY WOULD WE LIMIT BOARD MEMBERS TO TWO YEAR TERMS WHEN COUNCIL NOW HAS THREE YEAR TERMS? AND IT WAS GIVEN THE SAME LOGIC THAT THE COUNCIL USED, INCREASING THEIR TERMS TO THREE YEARS THE FIRST YEAR YOU'RE JUST GETTING YOUR FEET WET, YOU'RE TRYING TO LEARN, AND BY THE SECOND YEAR YOU'RE HOPING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO CATCH UP, BUT YOU'RE ALSO THINKING ABOUT THE FOLLOWING YEAR.

AND SO THEY WANTED EACH BOARD AND COMMISSION MEMBER TO HAVE A THREE YEAR TERM TO SETTLE INTO THEIR ROLE BECAUSE THAT FIRST YEAR THEY ARE GETTING CAUGHT UP ON ANY EXISTING PROJECTS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT AS A BOARD OR COMMISSION.

AND ESPECIALLY PLANNING AND ZONING PROBABLY TAKES ABOUT TWO YEARS BEFORE THEY'RE REALLY COMFORTABLE WITH EVEN WHAT A PLAT IS AND WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT.

SO I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S WHERE THAT CAME FROM ON THE IT USED TO BE THREE TWO YEAR TERMS, WHICH WAS SIX YEARS AND THEN WE MOVED IT TO THREE THREE YEAR TERMS.

[01:00:05]

AND SO I UNDERSTAND THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO THREE, TWO YEAR TERMS, SORRY, THREE.

NO, TWO, THREE YEAR TERM FLIP FLOP.

BUT THAT MAKES COMPLETE SENSE.

BUT IT'S STILL SHORTENING THE TIME.

IT'S. YES, YES, ABSOLUTELY.

I JUST I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I MEAN, I SAY THAT WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT IN A WHILE, BUT THEN WHEN YOU START BRINGING UP THINGS, IT'S THIS IS THIS IS THE NORMAL PROCESS. THIS IS GOOD.

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS.

THERE'S ONE LITTLE ASPECT OF IT OR ONE THING LIKE THE GEOGRAPHICAL, LIKE THE DIVERSITY ADDS IN THE TERM LIMITS ARE ADDING IN.

JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE ORDINANCES THAT RULE THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT ARE VERY VAGUE.

THEY ARE NOT LIKE SO THERE'S NOT QUALIFICATIONS OTHER THAN TO BE A CITIZEN OF THE CITY OF BURLESON. I WILL SAY OTHER CITIES, MAJORITY OF THE OTHER CITIES REQUIRE THEIR BOARD MEMBERS TO BE REGISTERED VOTERS.

WE DO NOT. WE JUST SAY YOU JUST HAVE TO LIVE WITHIN THE CITY.

A LIMIT. BE A CITIZEN OF BURLESON FOR 12 MONTHS PREVIOUS TO YOUR APPLICATION.

OTHER THAN THAT, THERE IS NO OTHER LIMITATIONS ON THAT.

SO I JUST THINK AS WE AS WE AGAIN TO AS WE GROW AS A CITY, WE ALSO HAVE TO GROW THE WAY WE DO CERTAIN THINGS.

AND THAT'S A PART OF WHY I'M ASKING TO ADDRESS THIS AND TO GO BACK TO SAY THAT I'M THE ONE WHO TOOK IT OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA, TO SAY THAT I DIDN'T CATCH HEAT, THAT I'M STILL NOT CATCHING HEAT OVER, THAT IT PUTS IT ON ONE PERSON TO HAVE TO TAKE IT OFF OF CONSENT.

AND IN A LOT OF WAYS, I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR.

IT JUST I'M STILL CATCHING IT.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT CHANGED.

IT DIDN'T USED TO BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

THE COUNCIL ASKED ME TO MOVE IT ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.

I MEAN, THIS IS I MEAN, THIS IS GOOD DISCUSSION, COUNCILMEMBER PAYNE, BUT I WANT YOU TO REALIZE IT HAS BEEN EVOLVING.

I WANT TO SAY IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT TO TALK ABOUT IT.

NO, NO, I REALIZE THAT.

AND I'M NOT.

THE THING IS, IS IT'S MY MEMORY IS CATCHING UP TO ME THAT IT WASN'T LIKE THE COUNCIL WAS STAGNANT AND NEVER LOOKED AT THE PROCESS OR NEVER LOOKED AT THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS OR DIDN'T TAKE ACTION ON IT.

IT'S JUST THAT IT TAKES TIME FOR MY BRAIN TO START KICKING IN.

MY MEMORY IS GETTING TOO LONG.

SO MAYBE IF WE HAD A WORK SESSION ON HOW WE DETERMINED WE'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD.

BUT FUTURE SHOULD THIS BE A WORK SESSION ITEM ALL ON ITS OWN? YES, I THINK OF IT.

YES. AND I AND NOT ONLY SHOULD IT BE A WORK SESSION ALL ON ITS OWN, I THINK THAT I WOULD SUPPLY YOU GUYS AHEAD OF TIME A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT I WOULD WANT YOU TO COME FORWARD.

AT THE TIME. I DON'T WANT MYSELF, BRYAN, OR THE ATTORNEYS TO BE BRINGING YOU FORWARD OPTIONS TO CHOOSE FROM PER SE.

I WOULD RATHER YOU GUYS CREATE YOUR PROCESS SO I CAN BREAK DOWN THE PROCESS, BREAK DOWN THE TERMS, BREAK DOWN WHAT WE DO, SHOW EXAMPLES OF EVERYTHING THAT WE DO.

AND MAYBE YOU GUYS COME FORWARD WITH I KEEP THAT.

I DON'T LIKE THAT ADD THIS, THAT KIND OF STUFF INSTEAD OF US COMING FORWARD.

SO COUNCIL MEMBER PAYNE DID SAY ONE THING THAT THAT I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT.

THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT TAKE HEAT FOR THESE APPOINTMENTS IS THE COUNCIL.

SO YOU HAVE TO ANSWER AND DEFEND YOUR POSITIONS.

AND WHEN YOU HAVE VESTED AND YOU HAVE CREATED THE POSITION THAT YOU ARE DEFENDING, YOU ARE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO BE ABLE TO STAND BEHIND WHAT YOU'VE DONE.

SO RIGHT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TRANSPARENCY.

WELL, WE BUILT THAT IN.

SO I WANT THIS TO BE COMPLETELY YOU ALL'S PROCESS.

BECAUSE WE SEE IT FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE.

AND I THINK THAT STAFF I THINK BRYAN WANTS TO BE THE ONE TO TELL YOU ALL.

I STILL SAY GO TO CLEBURNE, DO CLEBURNE'S.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HOW WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW WITH THE EXCEPTION.

THE REST OF THE COUNCIL DOESN'T REALLY SEE WHAT THE CHOICES ARE.

I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A PERIOD IN THERE WHERE PEOPLE CAN LOOK AT THE APPOINTEES AND HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF SAY SO IN IT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

I CAN SEE US.

I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S BOTHERED ME RIGHT NOW IS WE HAVE A PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH AND NOW WE'RE UP IN THE AIR ON ONE APPOINTMENT THAT ACTUALLY WE'RE SEVERAL.

SO WE HAVE NOT RE APPOINTED TO THE ADA BOARD ALL OF THEIR MEMBERS AND THEY DO HAVE SOME NEW MEMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR APPOINTMENT.

AND THEN WE DO HAVE THE ONE VACANCY ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THAT WE GO AHEAD AND GET PAST THAT, THEN WORK ON THIS, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE IT'S NOT WELL, THIS COUNCIL TABLED THAT ITEM IN NOVEMBER, AND YOUR COUNCIL POLICY SAYS THAT IF IN 180 DAYS YOU HAVEN'T TAKEN IT BACK UP, IT'S AUTOMATICALLY PLACED BACK ON THE AGENDA AS IT IS.

SO YOU TABLED IT.

IT WOULD COME RIGHT BACK BEFORE YOU ALL FOR A VOTE.

[01:05:02]

SO YOU DIDN'T KILL IT, YOU JUST TABLED IT.

AND SO TABLING IT WITHOUT A SPECIFIC DATE SPECIFIED BRINGS IT BACK IN 180 DAYS.

AND THERE HAS BEEN REQUESTS TO PLACE THIS ITEM BACK ON THE AGENDA.

SO IT WILL BE PLACED BACK ON THE START UP OF WHAT WE DO, I THINK IS EFFICIENT IN THE FACT THAT IT NARROWS THE POOL DOWN IN A SMALLER GROUP.

BUT I THINK THE COUNCIL OUGHT TO HAVE SOME INPUT ON THE FINAL.

MAYBE WE GET A LIST WITH WITH AN ALTERNATE.

OK. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS.

I'M NEW TO THIS, TOO, BUT WE HAVE A SAY SO A LITTLE BIT.

BUT I THOUGHT THE SELECTION WAS.

I THOUGHT IT WAS OKAY.

I DID. I DIDN'T SEE THE OTHER THINGS GOING ON, BUT I DON'T AGREE WITH IT BEING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

YOU KNOW, TWO HEADS ARE BETTER THAN ONE.

I GUESS SEVEN ARE BETTER THAN THREE.

SO AND I'M NOT HERE TO POINT FINGERS OR DO ANYTHING.

I'M JUST LOOKING AT A PROCESS THAT GETS US UNIFIED.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? ABSOLUTELY. IT'S JUST SO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.

I'M FOR THE WORK SESSION WHERE WE CAN DISCUSS THIS.

AND I WANT TO SAY I'M PROUD OF THE WAY THE COUNCIL HAS COME TOGETHER ON THINGS.

WE'RE DOING BETTER.

WE'VE GOT A WAYS TO GO, BUT WE'RE DOING BETTER.

BUT IS EVERYBODY FOR A WORK SESSION ON THIS? OKAY. COULD WE DO THAT? IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE? NOT A PROBLEM. WE CAN DO A DEDICATED WORK SESSION AS LONG AS CITY MANAGER LANGLEY DOESN'T ADD OTHER ITEMS TO THE WORK SESSION.

AND THAT'S OKAY TOO.

WE GOT TO GET MOVING ON STUFF.

AMANDA, COULD YOU DETAIL FOR US IN THAT WORK SESSION WHAT THIS BOARD AND COMMISSION COMMITTEE LOOKS LIKE IN CLEBURNE? YEAH, FROM RECOLLECTION, IT'S THE CITY MANAGER, THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER AND CHOICE DIRECTORS WHO HAVE DIRECT CONTACT WITH THOSE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

SO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS LIKE IT WOULD BE THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE PLANNING AND ZONING.

IT'D BE YOUR DIRECTOR OF ANIMAL SERVICES BECAUSE IT'S AN ANIMAL SERVICE, YOU'RE DIRECTOR OF LIBRARY BECAUSE IT'S THE LIBRARY BOARD.

THOSE ARE THE OTHER EXECUTIVES ON THAT BCC, BUT IT IS THE CITY MANAGER AND THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, AND THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THIS BOARD LIAISON THING IN MANSFIELD.

YES, YES.

OR THE MANSFIELD SPECIFIES THE BOARD LIAISON, WHICH ARE DIFFERENT SOMETIMES THEY ARE THE DIRECTOR, SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT HERE IN BURLESON BOARD LIAISONS ARE NOT THE DIRECTORS.

BOARD LIAISONS ARE ARE ANOTHER ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF THAT HELPS SUPPORT THOSE.

SO MAYBE IT'S JUST THE TERMINOLOGY THEY USE.

BUT YES, THE BCC IS LOOKING AT THE BCC.

IT'S THE CITY MANAGER, THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER AND DIRECTORS THAT HAVE DIRECT CONTACT WITH THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT THEY'RE APPOINTING TO.

I THINK I'M GOING TO HAVE THE SAME CONCERN WITH THAT.

AGAIN, A STAFF MAKING SOME TYPE OF RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL.

I THINK IF IT WAS THE PROCESS ALLEN HAD DESCRIBED THAT MANSFIELD WAS FOLLOWING OF US HELPING AND BEING A RESOURCE TO COUNCIL, WHETHER IT'S A COUNCIL COMMITTEE OR THE ENTIRE COUNCIL, I THINK THAT'S COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE.

BUT I'D WANT TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT PUTTING STAFF.

AND AS AMANDA SAID, THESE ARE NOT ALL DIRECTORS.

YOU'RE PUTTING SOME JUNIOR STAFF MEMBERS IN POTENTIALLY VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION.

I WAS GOING TO SAY I AGREE WITH CITY MANAGER LANGLEY.

I AM JUST JOKING REALLY WHEN I SAY THE OTHER STUFF.

I REALLY, ALSO, I DO HESITATE FOR A STAFF MEMBER, EVEN A DIRECTOR STAFF MEMBER TO SIT UP HERE AND HAVE TO SAY TO THIS COUNCIL THAT A PRIVATE CITIZEN IS ROWDY OR DISRUPTIVE AT A COUNCIL, THEIR BOARDS AND COMMISSION MEETING.

I THINK THAT IS JUST A PATH DOWN A VERY NEGATIVE ROAD.

I THINK WHEN YOU ASK US FOR THEIR ATTENDANCE, THAT IS ABSOLUTELY 100% WHAT WE GIVE YOU.

AND I AM OBLIGED TO DO THAT.

SO I ALREADY PROVIDE THEIR ATTENDANCE.

AND YOU DO HAVE AN ATTENDANCE RULE, ACTUALLY, ANYTHING THAT'S A BOARD OF COMMISSIONS THAT IS REGULARLY CALLED UPON TO MEET.

THEY HAVE A REGULAR SCHEDULE.

EACH MEMBER HAS TO ATTEND 75% OF THOSE CALLED MEETINGS.

SO THERE IS AN ATTENDANCE THERE.

AND I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I WOULD STRONGLY HESITATE FOR A STAFF MEMBER TO BE UP HERE AT THE PODIUM AND HAVE TO TRY TO DELICATELY WORK AROUND SOMETHING THAT IS MAYBE NOT THE BEST LIGHT FOR THAT PRIVATE CITIZENS VOLUNTEERING THEIR TIME, SITTING ON A BOARD AND READING MATERIAL. AND THEN, I MEAN, WHO'S TO SAY THAT SOMEBODY WHO'S CANTANKEROUS AT A BOARD AND

[01:10:03]

COMMISSION MEETING ISN'T ONE THAT WE WANT THEM TO BE CANTANKEROUS AT A BOARD AND COMMISSION MEETING BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THE STATUS QUO TO GO THROUGH.

THEY WANT IT THEY WANT TO CHALLENGE IT A LITTLE BIT.

MAYBE NOT ALL THE TIME WE WANT THEM TO CHALLENGE US, BUT AS STAFF, I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IT IS, RIGHT? I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME.

I DON'T LIKE THE WAY YOU PRESENTED THIS.

I WANT FIVE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THEY COME AND SAY, OH, THAT MEMBER IS ALWAYS ASKING US FOR FIVE DIFFERENT OPTIONS INSTEAD OF LETTING US JUST PRESENT WHAT WE WANT TO PRESENT. SO I DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD.

AND I WOULD STRONGLY SAY THAT I DO NOT WANT ANY OF MY FELLOW CITY EMPLOYEES HAVING TO STAND UP HERE AND DO THAT.

I'LL AGREE. AND I DIDN'T EVEN THINK THAT FAR DOWN THE ROAD.

IT JUST SEEMED LIKE A GOOD IDEA TO GET THEM TO SELECT SOMEBODY IF THEY GOT TO WORK WITH.

AND I WOULD NEVER PUT THOSE ANYBODY IN THAT POSITION.

I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU GUYS SOMETIMES.

SO EVEN IF THEY'RE TAKING OH, NO, WE'RE JUST COLLECTING DATA.

PASSING DATA ON COLLECTING DATA, PASSING DATA ON AND OVER AND OVER.

YEAH. OKAY.

SO WE AGREE ON THE WORKSHOP AND ON THE WORKSHOP.

CAN WE GET IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN NARROW IT DOWN TO A SUBJECT MATTER INSTEAD OF LIKE WE GOT A LOT OF THESE DIFFERENT VERSIONS? DO WE HAVE A DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO IN BEFORE WE GO INTO A? THAT'S WHAT I SAY. SO I WILL SAY THAT I WILL SEND, I WILL THINK ABOUT THIS AND MAYBE PUT ANOTHER PRESENTATION TOGETHER THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE FOCUSED.

THIS WAS JUST A START DOWN.

I WAS ASKED TO REVIEW THE PROCESS AND REMEMBER COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE JUST THE TOP ONES THAT WE WE COMPARED TO TO GIVE YOU GUYS SOME IDEAS TO START THINKING ABOUT HOW YOU GUYS WOULD.

I WOULD BE MORE STRUCTURED BEFORE WE GO INTO A WORK SESSION AND START OVER AGAIN.

OKAY. YEAH, JUST, JUST FROM WHAT I HEARD, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ALL WANT ACCESS TO THE INFORMATION AND ENABLING ALL SEVEN OF US TO GET THE SAME BOOKLET AND IT A LITTLE BIT MORE ADVANCED TIME. SO WE CAN REALLY THUMB THROUGH AND THINK THROUGH SOME OF THE THINGS, POTENTIALLY REACH OUT TO SOMEONE IF YOU'RE LIKE IT SAYS YOU DID THIS AND INEVITABLY THEY'LL BE LIKE, OH YEAH, AND THIS AND THIS AND THIS AND THIS.

BECAUSE SOMETIMES CONVEYING THAT ON PAPER ISN'T ALWAYS THE EASIEST.

OR LIKE, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO PUT THAT INTO WORDS.

BUT I'VE VOLUNTEERED HERE, HERE, HERE, AND I'D LOVE TO BRING THAT TO THE TABLE.

SO. SO INSTEAD OF A THREE PERSON WORK SESSION, A SEVEN PERSON WORK SESSION, IT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M PICKING UP THERE.

BUT THAT'S SO THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU THAT'S AT LEAST WHAT I'VE HEARD AND HOPEFULLY GIVES YOU SOME DIRECTION. I THINK THE IDEA OF COPYING SOME OF THESE THAT HAVE INTERNAL TAKING THAT OFF OF STAFF BASICALLY WE DON'T WANT TO FROM HEARING FROM YOU AND BRIAN, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO PUT ON STAFF, BUT ENABLING ALL OF US TO SEE THE APPLICATIONS AND AND BE ABLE TO WORK THROUGH WHO WE THINK SOME OF THESE INDIVIDUALS MIGHT SERVE ON WHICH BOARDS THE BEST, I GUESS.

I THINK IN CONJUNCTION TO THAT I WOULD ASK COUNCIL WHAT I WOULD BRING FORWARD ALSO IS THE ORDINANCE THAT GOVERNS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND HAVE YOU LOOK AT THOSE SECTIONS IN THERE ABOUT TERM LIMITS, ABOUT TERM LIMITS AND HOW LONG THEY SERVE AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. THAT WAY WE'LL DO EVERYTHING IN ONE FELL SWOOP AND CONJUNCTION AND THEN FORMALLY ADOPTING A COUNCIL POLICY.

AT THE END OF THIS PROCESS IS WHAT I WOULD I WOULD GO FOR, THAT YOU GUYS FORMALLY ADOPT A PROCESS BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE A FORMAL ADOPTED PROCESS.

WE HAVE A GENERAL PRACTICE THAT CHANGES AS REQUESTS COME IN.

WHILE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PROVIDING THE INFORMATION IN A TIMELY MANNER, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SET A DEADLINE FOR AN APPLICATION.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR FEAR IN DOING THAT.

BUT THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, IS THAT WHEN THERE'S A DEADLINE ON ANYTHING, WE ALL GET OFF OUR TUSHES AND GET IT DONE.

WHEN THERE'S NOT A DEADLINE, BUT IF YOU DON'T SET A DEADLINE, HOW CAN WE HAVE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF TIME TO REVIEW EVERYTHING? SO IT WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO BE A WEEK, MAYBE TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO WHEN THE ITEMS ARE GOING TO BE REVIEWED. AND AGAIN, DEADLINES WORK.

I MEAN, THEY JUST ARE WE CAN'T NOW, OBVIOUSLY, IF A POSITION OPENS BACK UP AND YOU GUYS HAVE LIKE IF SOMEONE LEAVES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR FOR SOME REASON AND YOU HAVE A POOL OF APPLICANTS ALREADY, THEN THOSE APPLICANTS WOULD BE THE ONES YOU WOULD PULL FROM TO FILL THAT POSITION FOR THAT YEAR.

AND DO THE APPLICANT APPLICATIONS EXPIRE YEARLY? THEY HAVE NO EXPIRATION TERM.

THEY HAVE NO EXPERT. WE JUST CALL, WE CALL OR EMAIL WHICHEVER WAY WE HAVE A WAY OF COMMUNICATING WITH THEM.

EVERY APPLICATION WE'VE EVER RECEIVED THAT'S NOT APPOINTED TO A BOARD RIGHT NOW, WE SAY, ARE YOU STILL INTERESTED IN SERVING? YOU APPLIED TWO YEARS AGO.

YOU APPLIED LAST YEAR.

THIS IS THE BOARD.

ARE YOU STILL INTERESTED AND YES OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO YOUR APPLICATION? AND WE DO THAT TO.

OKAY? YEAH.

[01:15:05]

YOU GET WHAT YOU NEED? CLEAR AS MUD.

WE'RE GOOD AT THAT, AREN'T WE? MONICA IS TAKING NOTES.

SHE'S GOING TO TELL ME WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.

I DO. SHE'S GOT A LOOK ON HER FACE, LIKE I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TAKING NOTES.

I DO HAVE A CITIZEN IDEA OF A CITIZENS CARD.

BILL JANISH WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

MR. JANISH, IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

IT WAS COMPLETED BEFORE AGE.

THEN IT CHANGES UP TO DOWN HERE.

GOOD MORNING. EVENING.

GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL CITY, STAFF.

MY NAME IS BILL JANISH RESIDENT BURLESON FOR 55 YEARS BEING AT 117 NORTH EAST CLINTON STREET FOR THE LAST 24.

I'VE ATTENDED EVERY REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING IN PERSON, ALL BUT MAYBE THREE, THE SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL SESSIONS SINCE JANUARY 2020.

I'VE WATCHED AND VIEWED ALL THE OTHER ONES PRIOR ONLINE.

I'VE WATCHED MANY OF THE OTHER ONES I'VE ATTENDED MULTIPLE TIMES.

I'VE EXPRESSED INTEREST AND THEN APPLIED FOR P&Z AROUND SEPTEMBER 2020, JUST AFTER THEY MADE THEIR DECISIONS THAT YEAR.

I ALSO EXPRESS INTEREST LATELY IN SERVING MY LOCAL GOVERNMENT IN SEVERAL CAPACITIES AND LAST WEEK WAS APPROVED TO SERVE IN ANY VOLUNTARY CAPACITY.

I WANT, PASSING YOUR BACKGROUND CHECK.

WE KNOW BY NOW P&Z SEAT.

MAYBE SOME FIVE MONTHS AGO BY VICTORIA, RICK GREEN AND JIMMY STANFORD LAST FALL.

I WAS IN ATTENDANCE AT THAT MEETING AND IT WAS A UNANIMOUS SUPPORT OF ALL THREE.

IT WAS A PUBLIC HEARING AND I WAS GLAD TO HAVE BEEN THERE TO RECEIVE THEIR FULL SUPPORT.

FOLLOWING THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATIONS, MY APPOINTMENT HAS ROUTINELY BEEN PULLED FROM THE AGENDA, HAS ALSO BEEN LISTED FOR DISCUSSION FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION MULTIPLE TIMES.

I'M A PRIVATE, TAXPAYING CITIZEN OF BURLESON AND WISH TO SERVE MY CITY IN AN UNINTERRUPTED FASHION.

I'M UNCOMFORTABLE KNOWING THAT SITUATIONS MOST LIKELY EXIST WHERE THERE MAY HAVE BEEN PREJUDICES, POSSIBLY EVEN SELFISH MOTIVES IN PLAY ONLY AS AN ATTEMPT TO PREVENT ME FROM SERVING. I ALSO DO NOT APPRECIATE THESE POSSIBILITIES BEING ABLE TO OCCUR, BEING AT THE TOPIC OF DISCUSSION BY MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.

IF THERE IS AN ISSUE THAT COUNCIL HAS WITH ME PERSONALLY OR MY SELFLESSNESS WILLING TO SERVE CITY, THOSE MATTERS SHOULD BE DISCUSSED ONLY IN AN OPEN FORUM SO THAT I CAN HEAR EXACTLY WHAT'S BEING SAID ABOUT ME.

CONVERSATIONS ABOUT MYSELF THAT ARE DISPARAGING OR DEFAMING IF THEY OCCUR, ARE NOT PRIVILEGE OF EXECUTIVE SESSION IS NOT APPROPRIATE CONDUCT OF A SITTING COUNCILMEMBER ACCORDING TO LOCAL AND STATE GOVERNMENT CODE.

AS MENTIONED, I'VE BEEN APPROVED TO FILL THAT VOLUNTEER POSITION ON P&Z AND THERE SHOULD BE NO REASON FOR COUNCIL TO REJECT APPROVING ME TO TAKE THIS VACANT SEAT.

I'VE DEDICATED COUNTLESS HOURS OF ONE OF MY MOST PRECIOUS ASSETS, WHICH IS MY TIME.

I'VE ALSO DEDICATED MY EFFORTS, MY ENERGY TO WATCH, LEARN, LISTEN, TO SOAK IN ALL THAT I CAN ABOUT OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT, GOOD AND BAD.

I'M MORE THAN QUALIFIED TO SERVE ON AND SEE NOT ONLY COLLEGE EDUCATED WITH TWO DEGREES, BUT ALSO IN MY MORE THAN 40 YEARS EXPERIENCE AS A RESIDENTIAL GENERAL CONTRACTOR WHO SPECIALIZES IN INSURANCE REPAIR TYPE CLAIMS, WHO ALSO IS OCCASIONALLY CALLED AS EXPERT WITNESS IN COURT FOR CIVIL LAWSUITS.

I WOULD UNDOUBTEDLY BRING PROBABLY THE MOST OR AT LEAST ONE OF THE MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE AND PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUNDS TO THE P&Z COMMITTEE MEMBERS, PAST AND PRESENT.

AGAIN, IF THERE'S AN ISSUE AT MY APPOINTMENT THAT I'M ENTITLED TO HEAR THE ISSUE IN AN OPEN COURT, IN AN OPEN COUNCIL SETTING IN A PUBLIC SETTING TO RESPOND TO CORRECT AND OR PREVENT MY ANSWERS TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER THAT MAY HAVE A CLAIM TO HAVE A PROBLEM THERE.

THERE HAVE BEEN ANY DISPARAGING, DEFAMING REMARKS AGAINST ME, I HAVE TO DEFEND MYSELF, WHICH SHOULD ALSO BE AN OPEN SETTING IN THE SAME TYPE OF PUBLIC MEETING.

OPEN RECORDS REQUESTS CAN AND WILL BEGIN TO BE A GOOD PLACE TO START CONSIDERING THE RECOMMENDATION. APPOINTING MYSELF TO P&Z WAS CONDUCTED IN PUBLIC.

I HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW WHY MY APPOINTMENT IS BEING DISCUSSED IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION MULTIPLE TIMES NOW.

PLANNING AND ZONING HAS BEEN LEFT SHORT OF THEIR FULL QUORUM ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT OR WITHIN THE BODY OF IT.

THERE WAS THREE TIMES THEY DIDN'T HAVE QUORUM.

RECENTLY, THERE WAS ONE, I THINK THEY WAITED 30 MINUTES FOR ONE OF THE GUYS TO SHOW UP.

YOU ALSO HAVE, AS WAS MENTIONED, THE DISABILITIES BOARD.

IT'S STILL THREE PEOPLE ARE IN LIMBO.

TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, BURLESON HAS NEVER HAD THIS TYPE OF DELAY OR REFUSAL TO FILL ANY OF ITS BOARDS OR COMMITTEE POSITIONS.

AND THE IMPORTANCE OF PMC REPRESENTS THIS CITY.

I FEEL THAT IT'S UNACCEPTABLE FOR THIS TO CONTINUE OR THEREFORE REQUEST UPON THE CLOSING

[01:20:03]

OF DISCUSSION PRESENTATIONS REGARDING THE APPOINTMENTS OF THE BOARDS.

WHAT YOU'RE DOING NOW FOR THE COUNCIL, FOR YOU GUYS TO ENSURE THAT NONE OF THESE CHANGES WILL BE RETROACTIVE.

EITHER BY APPOINTING MYSELF TO P&Z OR FOR THE THREE MEMBERS THAT ARE WAITING TO TAKE THEIR SPOTS ON THE DISABILITIES BOARD.

I'M A LEADER.

I'M A MOTIVATED AND DEDICATED A REAL LIFETIME VOLUNTEER.

BILL? YEAH, I'M SORRY, BUT YOU HAVE 3 MINUTES.

YOU'RE GOING IN AT ABOUT 15.

OKAY. I'M SORRY. NO, THAT'S OKAY.

I APPRECIATE IT. YEAH.

AND IF ANYBODY'S GOT ANY QUESTIONS, REACH OUT TO ME.

I'LL ANSWER ANYTHING YOU'LL NEED TO KNOW.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. JUST TO BE SURE THAT WE'VE MADE IT CLEAR ON THE RECORD, IF A CONVERSATION OCCURS ABOUT ANY PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL IN EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT IS PROPERLY POSTED ON OUR AGENDAS TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT AND ANYTHING DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION ON ANY TOPIC IS NOT SUBJECT TO PUBLIC DISCLOSURE OR DISCUSSION BECAUSE

[B. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction regarding Tax Increment Financing Reinvestment Zone (TIRZ) #3. (Staff Presenter: Tommy Ludwig, Deputy City Manager)]

WE ARE ENTITLED TO CARRY OUT THAT CONVERSATION ONLY BECAUSE THE MATTERS ARE CONFIDENTIAL BY LAW. SO I WOULD LIKE THE REPRESENTATION TO GO OUT ON OUR TELEVISION BROADCAST THAT WE HAVE IMPROPER CONVERSATIONS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION OR THAT WE WOULD COME OUT AND DISCUSS WHAT HAPPENS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION IN A PUBLIC MEETING.

YOU ALL ARE AWARE WE CANNOT DO THAT UNDER TEXAS LAW ? MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THAT BRINGS US TO SECTION EIGHT, CITY COUNCIL REQUESTS FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS OR REPORTS.

I BELIEVE I'VE ALREADY RECEIVED ONE TONIGHT FOR A FUTURE ITEM.

COUNCIL? OKAY. THANK YOU.

THAT MOVES US ON TO SECTION NINE EXECUTIVE SESSION.

SO WE DO HAVE A NEED FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO 551.071, SECTION 551.072, SECTION 551.073 AND 551.087.

MAYOR, IF YOU COULD CALL FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND AND ACTION TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. IS THERE A MOTION? SECOND.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION. YO, USE THE CLICKY THING.

MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

I HAVE A MOTION BY JIMMY AND A SECOND BY RONNIE.

PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES.

UNANIMOUS WERE ADJOURNING AT 8:20.