Mar 07, 2022 City Council Regular Meeting

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I'M GOING TO OPEN THIS SESSION UP AT FIVE THIRTY ONE, AND WE HAVE GLORIA GILLESPIE WITH

[1. CALL TO ORDER Invocation - Gloria Gillaspie, Open Door Church Pledge of Allegiance to the US Flag Texas Pledge: Honor the Texas Flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God; one and indivisible]

HEAVENLY FATHER, WE BLESS YOUR NAME, WHICH IS THE NAME ABOVE EVERY NAME.

WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU RULE OVER HEAVEN AND EARTH AND HAVE POWER OVER THE NATIONS, SO WE PRAY FOR AN INTERVENTION FOR UKRAINE AND DEFEAT TO THE ATTACKS OF RUSSIAN FORCES, LEAD AMERICAN LEADERS AND ALLIES WITH DIVINE GUIDANCE THAT WILL BRING RESOLVE TO THIS CONFLICT WE ASK.

WE EARNESTLY PRAY YOUR KINGDOM COME, YOUR WILL BE DONE IN EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN.

WE THANK YOU FOR OUR CITY COUNCIL, OUR MAYOR AND STAFF FOR THEIR SERVICE AND TIME TO THE BURLESON COMMUNITY.

I PRAY FOR EACH ONE, ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE, TO TRUST IN THE LORD WITH ALL THEIR HEART AND LEAN NOT TO THEIR OWN UNDERSTANDING, BUT IN ALL THEIR DECISIONS ACKNOWLEDGE THE LORD AND HE WILL DIRECT THEIR PATHS.

MAY YOUR BLESSINGS BE UPON THE MEETING TONIGHT TO ACCOMPLISH YOUR WILL AND PURPOSE FOR THE GOOD OF THE CITIZENS OF BURLESON.

MAY YOUR BLESSINGS CONTINUE TO BE ON AMERICA, ON TEXAS AND ON OUR CITY OF BURLESON IN JESUS NAME, WE HUMBLY PRAY.

AMEN.

[B. Presentations Bleeding Disorders Awareness Month (Recipient: Karla Brown, Texas Central Hemophilia Association)]

TONIGHT WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC PRESENTATION UNDER 2B.

THIS IS A RECOGNIZING BLEEDING DISORDER AWARENESS MONTH.

THE RECIPIENT TONIGHT TO RECEIVE THIS AS CARLA BROWN WITH THE TEXAS CENTRAL HEMOPHILIA ASSOCIATION. MAYOR.

NOW, THEREFORE, I MAYOR CHRIS FLETCHER ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS OF BURLESON, THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL HEREBY PROCLAIM MARCH 2022 AS BLEEDING DISORDERS AWARENESS MONTH IN THE CITY OF BURLESON.

CARLA WANT TO MEET ME UP HERE ? IF THE REST OF THE COUNCIL WOULD GO DOWN THERE FOR A PICTURE, THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, MAYOR AND COUNCIL THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 2C, COMMUNITY INTEREST ITEMS, THE

[C. Community Interest Items This is a standing item on the agenda of every regular meeting of the City Council. An "item of community interest" includes the following: expressions of thanks, congratulations, or condolence; information regarding holiday schedules; honorary recognitions of city officials, employees, or other citizens; reminders about upcoming events sponsored by the city or other entity that is scheduled to be attended by city official or city employee; and announcements involving imminent public health and safety threats to the city.]

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JUST SO YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF BRING THIS FORWARD AGAIN, JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE CHOICE TO CHOOSE WHICH BUSINESSES ARE HERE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF VERY, VERY FEW.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT MIGHT FRUSTRATE YOU, BUT WE LOVELY LIVE IN A FREE ENTERPRISE COUNTRY, SO IT'S WONDERFUL THAT PEOPLE CAN START BUSINESSES.

IT'S ON THEM, WHETHER THEY SUCCEED OR FAIL.

SO WE'RE SORRY FOR THAT.

BUT ON A GOOD NOTE, IT IS WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH, AND I JUST WANTED TO RECOMMEND THAT EVERYONE TAKE A LOOK ONLINE THROUGH THE SBA, AS WELL AS SEVERAL OTHER RESOURCES OUT THERE TALKING ABOUT WOMEN AND THE THERE MARK THAT THEY'VE LEFT ON OUR WORLD, ESPECIALLY ON THE UNITED STATES. SO TO KIND OF SPEAK ON A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE, IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS, TOTAL EMPLOYMENT BY WOMEN OWNED BUSINESSES ROSE EIGHT PERCENT, ONLY ONE POINT EIGHT PERCENT FOR OTHER BUSINESSES AND FIVE POINT FOUR MILLION FIRMS ARE MAJORITY OWNED BY WOMEN OF COLOR IN THE U.S.

. IN 2020 WOMEN OWNED BUSINESSES EXECUTED THREE HUNDRED AND FORTY FOUR THOUSAND CONTRACTS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.

THAT'S PRETTY GREAT.

SO ALSO TOMORROW IS INTERNATIONAL WOMEN'S DAY, WHICH IS A DAY TO SPECIFICALLY CELEBRATE AND DISCUSS SOME OF THE BIASES THAT EXIST AGAINST WOMEN.

AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO LOOK AT INTERNATIONAL WOMENSDAY.COM.

THERE'S A VARIETY OF EVENTS GOING ON ALL ACROSS THE U.S.

IN FORT WORTH, AND THIS YEAR'S THEME IS TO BREAK THE BIAS.

AND THERE ARE BIASES THAT EXIST IN THE WORLD WHEN IT COMES TO WOMEN, AND WE WANT TO CREATE A WORLD THAT IS MORE DIVERSE, EQUITABLE AND INCLUSIVE, A WORLD WHERE DIFFERENCE IS VALUED AND CELEBRATED.

SO TOGETHER WE CAN FORGE WOMEN'S EQUALITY.

COLLECTIVELY, WE CAN ALL BREAK THE BIAS.

SO THANK YOU.

JIMMY, ANYBODY? I WANT TO SAY WHAT AN AWESOME JOB THE CITY STAFF AND COMMUNITY CAME TOGETHER AND PUT ON PROJECT YOU, IF YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO, IT WAS SO WELL-ATTENDED.

I THINK EVERY SEAT WAS SOLD OUT AND THE SPEAKERS WERE PHENOMENAL AND INSPIRING.

I COULDN'T WRITE NOTES FAST ENOUGH IN SOME CASES, AND I ONLY GOT TO HEAR TWO OF THEM.

SO THANK YOU TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND MANY OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE THERE. I THINK AT SOME POINT ALL OF US WERE THERE AND SO GREAT GREAT SPEAKERS, GREAT ATTENDANCE, GREAT INSPIRATION.

AND I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING HOW IT PROGRESSES IN THE FUTURE.

SO THANKS ALEX AND YOUR TEAM AND THE CHAMBER AND MS. CABRINA, EVERYONE WHO PUTS IN THAT, WHO SHARED IT ON FACEBOOK AND ENCOURAGED PEOPLE TO ATTEND IT WAS REALLY PHENOMENAL.

I ALSO WANTED TO MAKE A PLUG FOR WHAT WAS THE OTHER THING I HAD, SORRY.

OH, THE LIBRARY HAD A REALLY FUN EVENT WITH THE KINDNESS CLUB THIS LAST WEEKEND WHERE YOU COULD BUILD B HOTELS.

AND SO I JUST WANT TO THANK THE LIBRARY, PARKS AND REC, ALL THE DEPARTMENTS THAT COME FORWARD. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS A NEAT EVENT WHERE CITIZENS CAN LEARN CPR AND SOME OTHER SKILLS COMING UP.

JUST THERE ARE SO MANY NEAT OPPORTUNITIES TO EDUCATE YOURSELF IN THIS COMMUNITY AND SPEND TIME WITH LOVED ONES AND SHARING CRAFTS AND ACTIVITIES OUTDOORS.

AND SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU ALL FOR THE CREATIVITY AND THE CONTINUOUS SUPPORT OF THE COMMUNITY AND ENSURING THAT WE ALLOW ALL THESE OPPORTUNITIES TO STAY INVOLVED SO THANKS. ANYBODY ELSE? OK MAYOR AND COUNCIL THAT BRINGS US TO SECTION THREE, CHANGES TO THE POSTED AGENDA 3A IS

[3. CHANGES TO POSTED AGENDA]

ITEMS TO BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA, JUST NEED ONE COUNCIL MEMBER TO MAKE THAT IF YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, IT REQUIRES A MOTION AND A SECOND AND A PROPER VOTE TO TAKE THAT AND PUT THAT ON TO CONSENT.

I WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE AND HAVE A PRESENTATION OF ITEMS C PLEASE.

CONSIDER APPROVAL FACILITY USE AGREEMENT WITH THE BURLESON FARMERS MARKET.

ANYBODY ELSE? OK, WE WILL NOTE THAT WHEN WE WHEN WE VOTE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WE WILL TAKE THAT ITEM UP AFTER THE CONSENT AGENDA, IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, WE'LL MOVE ON

[4. CITIZEN APPEARANCES Other than public hearings and items listed on the posted agenda, citizens in attendance who desire to speak to City Council may speak during this section. Speakers in attendance: Each person will be allowed three (3) minutes to speak and will not be interrupted by City Council or staff. If you would like to speak, please fill out a speaker card and give the completed card to the City Secretary prior to addressing City Council. Speakers not in attendance: Each person must fill out an online speaker card. Online speaker cards will be for items posted on the agenda only and must be submitted 30 minutes prior to the posted start time of the meeting. Online speaker cards will be read aloud by the City Secretary at the time the item is presented. Online speaker cards can be found on the city’s website, www.burlesontx.com on the agenda/notices page. Please note that City Council may only take action on items posted on the agenda. The Texas Open Meetings Act prohibits the City Council from deliberating or taking action on an item not listed on the agenda. City Council may, however, receive your comments on the unlisted item, ask clarifying questions, respond with facts, and explain policy.]

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CITIZENS IN ATTENDANCE WHO DESIRE TO SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL MAY DO SO DURING THIS SECTION.

SPEAKERS IN ATTENDANCE, EACH SPEAKER WILL BE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES EXCUSE ME TO SPEAK.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND BRING THE COMPLETED CARD TO MYSELF OR MY DEPUTY.

SPEAKERS, NOT IN ATTENDANCE, EACH SPEAKER MUST FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD ONLINE AND MUST BE SUBMITTED 30 MINUTES PRIOR TO THE POSTED START TIME OF THE MEETING.

TONIGHT MAYOR, I DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER CARD, BRAD GRIFFIN.

JACK TAYLOR ELEMENTARY HAD A TIME CAPSULE BURIED IN IT IN WE'VE TRIED TO FIGURE OUT IT'S 1986, I BELIEVE.

IT WAS THE FIRST GRADUATING YEAR THAT TAYLOR, I THINK IT WAS BUILT IN 83.

AND THAT IS BREAKING NEWS BECAUSE AFTER MULTIPLE YEARS OF US TRYING TO GET THEM TO DIG THAT BACK UP, THEY HAVE AGREED.

MARCH 23 AT 9:30 IN THE MORNING, THEY'RE GOING TO OPEN UP THAT TIME CAPSULE THAT'S AT THE BASE OF THE FLAGPOLE, RIGHT AS YOU GO IN INTO THE ENTRANCE THERE.

SO THEY JUST TOLD ME THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT AT 9:30, MARCH 23.

SO FOR EVERYBODY THAT WENT TO TAYLOR.

ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SEE A I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THE TIME CAPSULE, A MICHAEL W.

SMITH MIX TAPE.

WHO KNOWS? IF YOU WANT TO SEE THAT AND BE A PART OF THAT, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE COMMUNITY TO COME OUT AND ESPECIALLY FOR SOME OF THOSE OLD TIMERS THAT HAVE TRANSITIONED FROM MOUND OVER TO TAYLOR, THAT WAS A SPECIAL EVENT.

BUT JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW.

THANKS.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL HAVE NO MORE SPEAKER CARDS ON ANY SPEAKER CARD I DO HAVE IS ON AN ITEM POSTED ON THE AGENDA.

THAT WILL MOVE US ON TO ITEM FIVE.

ALL ITEMS LISTED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND WILL BE ENACTED IN ONE MOTION.

OH, I'M SORRY, I DO HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER CARD.

THIS IS FROM SHERRY SCOTT, SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 19TH, MY HUSBAND AND I WERE WALKING ALONG OAK VALLEY TRAIL BEHIND BRANSON ELEMENTARY WITH OUR LITTLE DOG AND CAME UPON AN OUT OF CONTROL UNLEASHED UNATTENDED DOG.

WE CALLED 9-1-1 AND THE DISPATCHER DID AN INCREDIBLE JOB GETTING US HELP THAT WE NEEDED HELP CAME WITHIN FIVE MINUTES.

THE POLICE OFFICERS WERE ALSO WONDERFUL AND THE TRAIL MARKERS WERE A GREAT HELP.

SO THANK YOU TO THE DISPATCHERS AND THE OFFICERS FOR A JOB WELL DONE.

[5. CONSENT AGENDA All items listed below are considered to be routine by the City Council and will be enacted with one motion. There will be no separate discussion of the items unless a Councilmember or citizen so requests, in which event the item will be removed from the consent agenda and considered in its normal sequence. Approval of the consent agenda authorizes the City Manager to implement each item in accordance with staff recommendations.]

THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THE ITEMS APPROVED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

THE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA AUTHORIZES THE CITY MANAGER TO IMPLEMENT EACH ITEM IN ACCORDANCE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA IS ITEMS 5A THROUGH 5F MINUS 5C, WHICH WILL BE PRESENTED RIGHT AFTER THE CONSENT AGENDA.

MAYOR, IF YOU COULD ASK FOR A MOTION.

IS THERE A MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION BY DAN, AND A SECOND BY RICK.

PLEASE VOTE. PASSAGE UNANIMOUS, OK, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, [INAUDIBLE] FOR YOU IS ITEM 5C, CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A FACILITY'S USE AGREEMENT WITH

[C. Consider approval of a facility use agreement with Burleson Farmer's Market for the use of the Mayor Vera Calvin Plaza in Old Town for the upcoming season. (Staff Contact: Joni Van Noy, Old Town Administrator) ]

THE STAFF CONTACT IS JONI VAN NOY, OLD TOWN ADMINISTRATOR, BUT I BELIEVE THEIR PRESENTER TONIGHT IS ALEX PHILLIPS, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

YEAH. ALEX PHILLIPS HERE FOR THIS PRESENTATION.

BURLESON FARMERS MARKET.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

JUST KIND OF BACK DATE, A LITTLE BIT BURLESON FARMERS MARKET.

THIS WILL BE ITS TENTH YEAR STARTED OVER IN THE WEST PARKING LOT.

WEST OF CITY HALL, OPERATES SATURDAYS BEGINNING APRIL 2ND THROUGH DECEMBER SEVEN A.M.

TO TWO P.M. THAT INCLUDES VENDOR TIME SET UP AND TAKE DOWN.

THE ACTUAL HOURS OF THE MARKET ARE FROM EIGHT A.M.

TO ONE P.M.

AND IT SAYS THROUGH DECEMBER.

BUT I'LL MAKE CLARIFICATION.

THERE'S ONLY ONE MARKET IN NOVEMBER AND ONE MARKET IN DECEMBER.

THE PROPOSED FEE THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS YEAR IS FOUR HUNDRED AND FIFTY FOUR DOLLARS AND FIFTY CENTS PER MARKET.

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THEY CAN MAY OPERATE UP TO FOUR SPECIAL EDITION DATE NIGHT FARMER'S MARKET ON A FRIDAY OR SATURDAY NIGHT. WE DID THOSE A FEW TIMES TWICE LAST YEAR, AND THEY WERE A HUGE HIT.

IT DIDN'T TAKE PLACE.

WE DID A FRIDAY NIGHT OR SATURDAY NIGHT BECAUSE THERE WAS AN EVENT ON SATURDAY WHEN THE FARMER'S MARKET USUALLY WOULD HAPPEN.

SO WE GAVE THE ABILITY TO STILL MANEUVER AROUND AND WE GOT A LOT MORE DIFFERENT PEOPLE OUT TO THE FARMER'S MARKET WHEN THEY WERE HELD IN THE EVENINGS.

THE MAY OPERATE A SUNDAY MARKET IN PLACE OF A SATURDAY WITH PRIOR APPROVAL.

IF THERE'S AN EVENT THAT'S CONFLICT WITH THAT, THAT'S VERBIAGE THAT'S BEEN IN THE CONTRACT SINCE WE STARTED THE CONTRACTS NINE YEARS AGO.

UTILIZE THE MAYOR VERA CALVIN PLAZA PROMENADE IN THE FOUR ON STREET PARKING STALLS LOCATED ALONG SOUTH WARREN STREET AND A PORTION OF THE LAWN AREA.

WE DID ADD VERBIAGE THIS YEAR IN THE AGREEMENT, REQUIRING A MINIMUM OF TWENTY FIVE PERCENT VENDORS PROVIDE HOMEGROWN OR PREPARED EDIBLE PRODUCTS FOR SALE TO KIND OF GIVE THAT FARMER'S MARKET AUTHENTICITY.

SO THIS IS THE AREA, THE ADDITIONAL SPACE THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO ADD THE ADD ABOUT ADDITIONAL UP TO 40 ADDITIONAL VENDORS.

WE DID THIS AS KIND OF A TEST OF WHAT ARE THE DATE NIGHT MARKETS IF YOU WERE OUT AND IT WAS A HUGE HIT, STILL LEFT A LOT OF THE LAWN AREA AVAILABLE FOR ORGANIC GATHERINGS OR ORGANIC TOSSING THE BALL AROUND OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT WITH THE LIGHTS ON.

IT WAS A REALLY COOL SETTING.

JUST A KIND OF, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GO BACK TO THE POLICY A LITTLE BIT.

THIS WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL IN MARCH OF 2020 REOCCURRING EVENTS SUCH AS WEEKLY, BI-WEEKLY OR MONTHLY EVENTS PROPOSED TO TAKE PLACE WITHIN THE PLAZA MAY BE INDEPENDENTLY CONTRACTED WITH THE CITY ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

THIS MEANING, YOU KNOW, THE FARMER'S MARKETS MENTIONED IN THE POLICY, IN THE CONTRACT, THE INDEPENDENT CONTRACT WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, THAT'S WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.

SO THE PRICING CALCULATOR ON PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT, RATE AS COMPARED TO THE FEE ESTABLISHED TO PRESERVE THE PLAZA IN ITS ENTIRETY FOR PRIVATE EVENTS.

IT'S FIVE THOUSAND. THE PLAZA AREA IS FORTY SEVEN THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED SQUARE FEET.

THE PROMENADE AREA IS ONLY 4600 SQUARE FEET, SO IT COMES OUT TO ABOUT 11 CENTS PER SQUARE FOOT.

FEE HISTORY, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE FEE FOR THE PROMENADE AREA ON JULY OF 2020 FOR TWO HUNDRED FIFTY DOLLARS PER MARKET.

KIND OF BECAUSE THEY'RE THERE JUST HALF DAY AND THEN MARCH OF 2021 LAST YEAR WE ADDED THE ON STREET STALLS AND THAT MADE IT TWO HUNDRED AND EIGHTY SEVEN FIFTY USING IN THE SAME TYPE OF CALCULATION.

THIS YEAR WE'RE PROPOSING OR THEY'RE PROPOSING THE PROMENADE ON STREET STALLS AND A PORTION OF THAT LAWN AREA.

SO ADDING THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE BROUGHT IT OUT TO FOUR HUNDRED AND FIFTY FOUR DOLLARS AND FIFTY CENTS PER MARKET.

HERE FOR ANSWER ANY KIND OF QUESTIONS IS BEFORE YOU APPROVE THE BURLESON FARMERS MARKET AGREEMENT, MODIFY IT OR DENY IT.

THANK YOU, SINCE I'M ASKED TO PULL THIS, COULD YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE FOR ME? I'M TOGGLING BETWEEN SEVERAL THINGS MY TABLETS NOT WORKING RIGHT RIGHT NOW.

SO TWO EIGHT, TWO FIFTY AND TWO EIGHTY SEVEN FIFTY, IS MORE THAN $500.

SO FOR 2020, THE YOU KNOW THEY WERE ONLY THERE FOR LIKE HALF A YEAR BECAUSE THE PLAZA WAS DONE IN JUNE, WE MOVED THEM OVER TO THE PROMENADE, THE JULY 4TH KIND OF WEEKEND TO THE PROMENADE FROM WEST HALL OR WEST PARKING LOT, SO THAT FOR 2020, IT WAS APPROVED AT TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS AND THEN APPROVED FOR THE 2021 CONTRACT, IT WAS APPROVED, INCLUDING THE ON STREET STALLS, JUST NOT JUST THE PROMENADE.

OK. OK, SO FIRST, LET ME SAY THIS FOR ALL THE PUBLIC.

I LOVE THE FARMER'S MARKET.

I'M WEARING A JACKET THAT I BOUGHT AT THE FARMER'S MARKET.

I THINK THE OPERATOR IS A WONDERFUL GENTLEMAN.

I HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION WITH HIM TODAY, SO THAT DOESN'T GET MISCONSTRUED.

WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS MY JOB AS A COUNCIL MEMBER AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN CHARGED TO DO IS TO SPEND THE MONEY FOR THE CITY WISELY, AS WELL AS ANALYZE THE UTILIZATION OF OUR LOCATIONS PROPERLY.

SO AS WE WENT THROUGH A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS LAST YEAR ABOUT PLAZA FEES AND NO PLAZA FEES AND DON'T DISCOUNT PLAZA FEES TO THE FINAL VOTE OF WE DON'T ALLOW ANYONE OTHER THAN HOT MOT RECIPIENTS, GRANT RECIPIENTS TO USE THE PLAZA BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE ORGANICALLY AVAILABLE. I DID GET CLARIFICATION SINCE WE SPOKE ALEX.

I HAVE EXACT NUMBERS THAT IT IS THIRTY SIX TIMES A YEAR THAT THE FARMERS MARKET APPROXIMATELY WILL USE THE THE PLAZA, AND THAT INCLUDES THE PROMENADE AND THE

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WE SAY IT REALLY ENCOMPASSES EVERYTHING IT TAKES OVER, ONE I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED BY THE ONE THIRD BECAUSE THE 40 BOOTHS WILL PROBABLY EXCEED AND GO INTO ONE HALF OF THE PLAZA. I MEAN, I SPOKE WITH CHAZ AND HE SAID THAT HE WAS TOLD HALF THE PLAZA IS WHAT HE WAS GOING TO GET, BUT THEY'D BE DIFFICULT TO FIT 20 IN A ONE THIRD PORTION OF THE PLAZA.

I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE TOUGH.

MY CONCERN IS THAT WE, AS WE TALKED ABOUT POTENTIAL OVER PROGRAMING OF THE PLAZA THAT WE'RE EXTENDING HOURS NOW, EXTENDING THE TIME, ADDING ON THE DATE NIGHTS, I REALIZE THEY'RE GIVING UP A SATURDAY FOR THAT.

I JUST WANT US TO BE CAUTIOUS TO WHEN DO WE SAY WHEN IS ENOUGH? AND I JUST WANTED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND SHARE MY CONCERNS WITH THE REST OF THE COUNCIL THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, NOT OVER PROGRAMING IT AND WE LOVE THIS EVENT, BUT IT IS AN EVENT AND IT IS IN OUR PLAZA THAT WAS MEANT TO BE A PLACE WHERE WE CAN ALL COME AND GATHER AND PLAY.

AND A SATURDAY IS ONE OF THOSE DAYS AND THIS IS HALF OF THE SATURDAY.

SO I JUST WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS OF WHERE WE ARE GOING WITH ALLOWING MORE VENDORS AND MORE VENDORS AND MORE VENDORS.

THIS IS A BUSINESS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

OK. WE ARE SUPPLEMENTING THIS FEE TREMENDOUSLY.

HUGELY. OK.

IT'S A FOR PROFIT BUSINESS, AND WE ARE SUPPLEMENTING THIS FEE, SO WE NEED TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS THAT WE ARE EQUITABLE TO ALL THE BUSINESSES THAT COME TO US.

THE PERCEPTION OF HOW THIS COMES ACROSS, I'VE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM SPECIFICALLY AN OLD TOWN BURLESON BUSINESS OWNER THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT.

TAKES AWAY FROM FAMILY AND CHILDREN ENJOYING MOST OF THE SPACE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU GUYS WANT TO THROW OTHER EVENTS.

I DON'T KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT THAT THERE.

WE HAD TALKED A BUDGET A YEAR AGO ABOUT THINK ABOUT HIRING A PART TIME SPECIAL EVENT PERSON FOR OLD TOWN.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS COULD BE MONEY THAT COULD BE TURNED BACK INTO MAINTAINING OLD TOWN IF WE MANAGE THIS OURSELVES THAT EVEN AT THE LOW END OF LIKE 30 VENDORS AND THEY'RE CHARGING 40 DOLLARS, THAT'S TWELVE HUNDRED DOLLARS A WEEK FOR THE FARMERS MARKET THAT THEY'RE RECEIVING AND THERE IS EXPENSES INVOLVED, WE ALL KNOW THAT.

SO HAVE WE, I JUST WANT US TO BE AGAIN CAUTIOUS.

I DON'T WANT IT TO GO AWAY.

I JUST WANT US TO BE VERY CLEAR ON WHAT IT IS WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

WE ONCE AGAIN, I BELIEVE, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE IT IN THAT POLICY, ARE BLURRING THE LINES A BIT ON WHAT WE USE OUR PLAZA FOR EXTENSIVELY AND ONGOINGLY.

SO AND WHAT DO WE DO WITH OTHER CITY PROPERTIES? IF I WOULD LIKE TO COME IN HERE AND USE THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS WHEN NO ONE'S IN HERE TO HOST AN EVENT IN HERE REGULARLY AND IT GETS A GREAT TURNOUT, DO WE SAY YES THAT I CAN DO THAT WE NEED TO BE REALLY CAREFUL OF THIS IS A FINE LINE, GUYS, OK. THIS CURBS THE CONCEPT OF WE DON'T LET NONPROFITS USE IT, WE DON'T LET CHURCHES USE IT, WE DON'T LET ANYBODY ELSE USE IT OTHER THAN HOT MOT GRANT RECIPIENTS AND THE FARMERS MARKET, BUT THE FARMERS MARKETS NOT MANAGED BY THE CITY.

SO AND HONESTLY, YOU KNOW HOW SMART CHAZ IS THAT HE SAID I CAN SEE YOUR POINT.

HE'S A SMART GUY AND HE JUST SAYS, YOU LET ME KNOW WHAT THE PARAMETERS ARE THAT I NEED TO STAY WITHIN. AND THAT'S MY CONCERN IS THAT WE HAVE TO AT SOME POINT SAY, WHAT ARE THE PARAMETERS AND HOW FAR DO WE LET THIS GO TO WHERE IT EVENTUALLY TAKES OVER THE WHOLE PLAZA? EVERY SATURDAY, EVERY SATURDAY.

SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT IN YOUR THOUGHTS, YOU GUYS.

I HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT ADDING OR REMOVING A COUPLE OF THINGS FROM THE VERBIAGE.

I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTED TO ADD ANYTHING FIRST.

I DO HAVE SOME RESERVATIONS.

I KNOW WE'VE BROKEN GROUND OVER HERE ON RAZOO'S.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING MORE SPACES.

CHAZ'S EVENT IS VERY SUCCESSFUL AND SUCCESS IS A GREAT THING, EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT OF PARKING. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PARKING CONCERNS NOW AND WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO OPEN A NEW BUSINESS HERE SOON.

AND THE QUESTION IS IF WE EXPAND HIM AND HIS BUSINESS AND YOU KNOW WHERE THESE VENDORS ARE GOING TO PARK THEIR VEHICLES, WHERE THE CUSTOMER IS GOING TO PARK THEIR VEHICLES, WHERE'S THE CUSTOMERS RAZOO'S GOING TO PARK? I DON'T WANT TO.

I DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM OLD TOWN AND WOUND UP HURTING ALL THE BUSINESSES BECAUSE PEOPLE TURN AWAY FROM OLD TOWN AND THEY DON'T WANT TO COME DOWN HERE BECAUSE OF PARKING ISSUES. SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I ALSO HAVE RESERVATIONS, TOO, ABOUT PARKING IN OLD TOWN.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ABOUT THAT.

THE HOURS OF THE FARMERS MARKET ARE NOT THE PEAK PARKING TIMES THAT WE REALLY HAVE THE

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BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S BEST ABOUT THE FARMER'S MARKET IS THAT IT'S NOT THE PEAK TIME FOR PARKING, AND SO IT'S A GOOD TIME.

I WOULD ADDRESS TAMARA'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE USE AS A PARK FACILITY BEING PRECLUDED BY THE EXISTENCE OF THE FARMER'S MARKET DURING THE TIME THAT THE FARMERS MARKETS THERE. BUT I THINK WHEN WE BUILT THE PLAZA, I THINK WE SET ASIDE THE IDEA OF IT BEING A PARK AS MUCH AS BEING AN EVENT LOCATION TO HAVE IT THOUGHT OF AS A PUBLIC PARK WHERE KIDS SHOULD ALWAYS BE ABLE TO COME AND PLAY AND KICK BALLS AND PLAY CHESS OR SWING ON SWINGS. IT'S NOT FOR THAT PURPOSE, IT'S FOR THE PURPOSE OF EVENTS.

AND I THINK THE FARMER'S MARKET IS THE IT COULD BE CALLED THE PREMIER EVENT.

YOU KNOW THAT AND HOT SOUNDS OF SUMMER, PROBABLY BETWEEN THE TWO OR THE TWO BEST, BIGGEST AND BEST USES OF THE OF THE PLACE, OF COURSE, OUR CHRISTMAS TIME STUFF AND ALL THAT.

BUT THAT'S WHAT IT'S FOR. IT'S FOR AN EVENT CENTER, NOT NECESSARILY AS A PARK FACILITY IN MY THOUGHTS, MAY BE DIFFERENT FROM OTHERS.

AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I THINK I WAS GOING TO SAY TONIGHT IS I'M REALLY GLAD TO SEE IN THIS ITEM THAT CHAZ HAS AGREED TO A RESTRICTION ON AT LEAST TWENTY FIVE PERCENT OF THE BOOTHS.

BE SELLING AN EDIBLE PRODUCT.

YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING I'VE, I LOVE THE FARMER'S MARKET AND IN THE SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY, I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN A VENDOR THERE.

TECHNICALLY, MY WIFE RAN AN ORGANIC JUICING BOOTH THERE, WHICH SO WE KNOW, WE KNOW THE PROCESS VERY WELL. WE WERE PARTICIPANTS IN IT, GOT TO KNOW A LOT OF VENDORS, PERSONALLY, LOCAL BURLESON PEOPLE AND I THINK THEY MOST ARE.

I'D LIKE TO, IF THEY'RE NOT, I'D LIKE TO REMAIN IN THE DREAM WORLD AND THINK THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE IS PROVIDING AN OUTLET FOR LOCAL FAMILY OWNED BUSINESSES THAT ARE PROBABLY NOT ABLE TO AFFORD A BRICK AND MORTAR LOCATION.

BUT THEY DO HAVE A PLACE THAT THEY CAN COME AND AND SELL THEIR THEIR PRODUCTS AND EKE OUT A LIVING AND PROVIDE SOME THINGS THAT ARE NOT NORMALLY AVAILABLE.

ZUCCHINI BREAD IS AN EXAMPLE, AND THAT DELICIOUS SALSA THAT THE TEXAS.

TWISTED TEXAN JOHN CAMPBELL.

JOHN CAMPBELL'S DEAL, SO I MEAN, THERE JUST SOME REMARKABLE THINGS THERE.

AND I THINK THE FACT THAT WE TIED USAGE TO HOT MOT FUNDS SORT OF HIGHLIGHTS THE FACT THAT WE SEE IT THAT WAY THAT THAT IT SHOULD BE FOR EVENTS, FOR THE PURPOSE OF BRINGING PEOPLE INTO THE COMMUNITY, INTO THE CORE OF THE COMMUNITY, FROM THE COMMUNITY ITSELF AND THEN INTO THE COMMUNITY FROM OUTSIDE AS WELL AS THE WORD GETS OUT ABOUT THIS THING.

THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION WAS, I HOPE I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE AND SEE HOW THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS FEEL ABOUT THIS, THAT IN ADDITION TO THE RESTRICTION THAT 25 PERCENT NEEDS TO BE SELLING AN EDIBLE PRODUCT, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT A RESTRICTION THAT ZERO PERCENT AT THE BOOTH OF THE BOOTH BE SET UP FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES.

I THINK WHEN WE GOT I THINK CHAZ DOESN'T WANT TO TURN ANYBODY AWAY AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT PAY FOR IT FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES PAY JUST LIKE THE ONES THAT PAY FOR IT TO SELL THEIR PRODUCTS. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT HELPS.

AND I'M GOING TO ALSO SAY I HAVE BEEN THERE AND I HAVE DONE THAT.

SO BEFORE ANYBODY THROWS A ROCK, BEFORE ANYBODY THROWS A ROCK IN MY DIRECTION, YES, I DID SET AT A COUPLE OF FARMER MARKET EVENTS AND TALK TO PEOPLE AND SHAKE HANDS AND TRY TO MEET PEOPLE. I'M PRETTY SURE IF YOU ASK CHAZ, HE AIN'T DOING THAT AGAIN.

YEAH, WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT IT INTO, I'D LIKE TO CODIFY SO THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE ONE TO TELL PEOPLE, I DON'T WANNA DO THAT.

I'D RATHER IT JUST BE WRITTEN IN THE RULES THAT WAY, AND THEN IT TAKES THE BURDEN OFF HIM IF HE DOESN'T WANT TO DO IT.

[INAUDIBLE] WITH THAT.

IF HE'S ALL RIGHT WITH IT, I'D LIKE TO PUT THAT IN THERE THAT I THINK I'M SEEING A LOT OF HEADS NOD. I AGREE, IT'S NOT WHAT THE FARMERS MARKETS FOR, I THINK THAT'S AWESOME.

CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE, HOW YOU ESTIMATED THE ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE? THANK YOU. SO HOW MUCH INTO THE LAWN DO YOU THINK HE'S GOING TO BE USING? YOU SAID WHAT IS TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED SQUARE FEET, DO YOU THINK? I DON'T HAVE THAT.

I DON'T HAVE THIS ON THE SLIDE.

I'D HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.

BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THE BOOTHS ARE BACK TO BACK.

SO YOU HAVE A WALKWAY RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF THIS.

AND SO THERE'S ABOUT 10, 10 BOOTHS ON EACH.

YEAH, NOW MORE. 20.

YEAH, SO THERE'S, IT'S THE SAME WAY IT WAS SET UP FOR BASICALLY A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN

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SO IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT TWO THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, MAYBE TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED.

SO I BELIEVE WHOLEHEARTEDLY PART OF HAVING THE COST LOWER ALLOWS HIM TO PASS ON FAIRLY INEXPENSIVE FEES TO THE VENDORS, WHICH I THINK IS THE A BLESSING.

HOWEVER, I DO FEEL LIKE I'M NOT SURE THAT WE HAVE THE NUMBERS RIGHT ON THAT, LIKE EVEN A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.

FOUR SEVENTY FOUR, AGAIN, WE'RE SUBSIDIZING ANOTHER PERSON'S BUSINESS IN TOWN AND HOW DO WE DO THAT EQUITABLY ACROSS THE BOARD? THEN IT WE'RE SETTING GUIDELINES AND RESTRICTIONS ON ANOTHER PERSON'S BUSINESS.

THERE'S AGAIN, I WANT TO JUST SAY, GUYS, THIS IS A REALLY FINE LINE.

I'M IT'S, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE IT ON THEIR PROPERTY.

I LOOKED THIS UP AND LOOKED AROUND.

THEY RUN IT THEMSELVES AND THIS IS A FINE LINE.

WE'RE SETTING RESTRICTIONS ON SOMEONE ELSE'S BUSINESS, YET WE'RE SUBSIDIZING THEM FINANCIALLY AS WELL FOR THE FEES.

BECAUSE IT BENEFITS THE CITY BECAUSE IT LOOKS GOOD, IT'S A GREAT EVENT.

SO I KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO PROBABLY CHANGE ANYTHING TODAY, BUT I WANTED TO JUST AGAIN CAUTION THAT GUYS AND BRING THAT UP.

I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO HAVE THE POLITICAL PART ADDED TO IT.

I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT THE FEE SCHEDULE AT ALL.

I'M NOT SURE IF I GET HOW THAT WAS CALCULATED.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S QUITE A MINIMAL INCREASE CONSIDERING THE AMOUNT OF MORE SPACE AND WE WERE GOING TO ADD 40 VENDORS.

THAT'S IF HE'S FULL AT 40, AT FORTY DOLLARS A POP.

HOW MUCH IS THAT? THAT'S A RHETORICAL QUESTION.

IT WASN'T LITERAL.

SO THANK YOU, ALEX, I APPRECIATE IT.

YOU'RE WELCOME. I JUST WANTED TO CIRCLE BACK ON THE ORGANIC GATHERING, I FEEL LIKE THE NON TICKETED EVENTS HELP INCREASE THAT ORGANIC GATHERING, AND MY FAMILY ENJOYS THE FARMER'S MARKET. WE ATTEND JUST ABOUT ALL OF THEM AND I BELIEVE IT HELPS.

IT ENCOURAGES THAT SENSE OF COMMUNITY AND SENSE OF PLACE, LIKE IT'S A REASON TO COME DOWN AND THEN BUY BY BEING DOWN HERE.

THEN YOU BUY COFFEE FROM DWELL OR YOU EAT, DECIDE TO EAT LUNCH AFTER YOU'RE DONE SHOPPING AT ONE OF THE LOCAL RESTAURANTS.

AND WHILE I'M NOT, I'VE BEEN DOING THE MATH OVER HERE AND I DON'T.

MAY I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION ON WHAT WE'RE SUBSIDIZING? BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING I'M NOT GRASPING.

WELL, IF WE WERE GOING TO RENT THE WE WERE GOING TO RENT IT ALL THE HOT MOT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS OR TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR THE HALF DAY. RIGHT, RIGHT.

AND THEY DON'T GET THE STAGE.

SO WHAT IS IT WITHOUT THE STAGE, DO YOU? SO THEY DON'T THEY IT'S ALL OR NOTHING. REMEMBER, WE WENT THAT WAY.

IT'S ALL OR NOTHING.

SO I'M NOT SAYING WE GO UP TO THAT RATE.

OK, BUT THIS IS WHERE I'M TRYING TO, I LISTEN TO YOU GUYS ABOUT THE ORGANIC AND THE FIGHT, ABOUT NOT HAVING OVER PROGRAMING AND FEES AND ALL OF THAT.

AND AGAIN, SO IT LOOKS TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE ARE SUBSIDIZING ON A PROFIT FOR PROFIT BUSINESS FOR ANOTHER BUSINESS IN TOWN.

LIKE I SAID, IF SOMEONE ELSE COMES TO US AND SAYS I WANT TO HOST AN EVENT IN AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, RIGHT? WE OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE FARMER'S MARKET WOULD BE YEARS AGO WHEN THEY WEREN'T CHARGING VENDORS, WHEN THEY STARTED IT.

NO, I SPOKE TO THE PEOPLE WHO STARTED IT.

THEY WERE NOT CHARGING VENDORS.

IT WAS FREE, SO THEY WEREN'T CHARGING VENDORS WHEN IT WAS OVER IN THE PARKING LOT.

NOT THE VERY FIRST YEAR AFTER THAT, THEY DID START CHARGING $10 A VENDOR.

WELL, I TALKED TO HER WHEN SHE STARTED WITH NOTHING, THOUGH, SO THINK ABOUT THAT AND SHE HAD TO COVER THE COST TO PAY FOR A LITTLE BIT OF STUFF.

THEY'RE USING OUR ELECTRICITY, THEY'RE USING OUR WATER.

THEY PAY ONE TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS FEE FOR CLEANING THE WHOLE YEAR AND THEY DO CLEAN UP.

HE MADE IT VERY CLEAR WE DO OUR VERY BEST TO CLEAN UP.

AND I CAN REALLY APPRECIATE ABOUT THAT.

HE EMPTYS ALL THE TRASH WHEN THEY'RE DONE AND PUTS IN NEW LINERS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT? WHEN THEY FIRST ARRIVE IN THE MORNINGS, THEY PICK UP A LOT OF THE TRASH TOO FROM I REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT THIS MONTHS AGO.

LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S BEER BOTTLES AND DIAPERS.

THAT HE PAYS TO PICK UP THE SPACE BEFORE THIS EVENT STARTS, BEFORE PUBLIC STARTS COMING DOWN AND VISITING IT.

BUT I JUST, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT.

AND I'M NOT, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE PERCEPTION ISSUE.

I DON'T. I GUESS MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE THAT WE WOULD HOST IT

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AND I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW WE'LL HAVE TO RECONSIDER IT IN THIS SPACE ANYWAY.

AS THE RESTAURANTS ACROSS THE STREET.

WE'VE STARTED THE CONVERSATION WITH CHAZ AND WALNUT CREEK OF, YOU KNOW, ONCE THOSE RESTAURANTS ARE THERE WITH PATIOS, IF THEY'RE OPEN OR BOUTIQUES ARE OPEN THAT ARE IN THOSE SPACES, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM AND WORK WITH THE FARMER'S MARKET TO KIND OF MOVE, MOVE SOME CANOPIES AROUND AND AND MAKE IT TO WHERE EVERYBODY FEELS GOOD WITH IT.

SO WITH THE BUSINESSES FROM THE GET GO RATHER THAN TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE WAY IT'S ALWAYS BEEN. THIS WAY WE'RE DOING IT, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE CASE.

WELL, AND I THINK THERE'S I MEAN, I'VE HEARD..

CHAZ WANTS TO PARTNER WITH THOSE BUSINESSES AND TO MAKE IT TO WHERE IT'S VERY WELCOMING TO THEM, AS WELL AS TO BE IN A GREAT FARMER'S MARKET EVENT SO.

I'VE HEARD MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL SAY THAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE MORE LOCAL BUSINESSES IN OLD TOWN. AND I THINK THIS HELPS PROVIDE THAT OPPORTUNITY.

AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SMALL BUSINESS.

I'M EVEN PICTURING SMALLER THAN SMALL LIKE MICROBUSINESSES, THE JAMS AND THE SALSAS, AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING, ESPECIALLY IN THIS REAL ESTATE MARKET, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A STOREFRONT OR A BRICK AND MORTAR.

AND A LOT OF TIMES THESE ARE IN SOME CASES, THESE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT YOU KNOW, THAT MAY THIS MARKET MAY BE, YOU KNOW, THERE THE END ALL FOR THE MONTH OF MAKING THEIR BILLS.

AND THERE'S SO MUCH CREATIVITY, INGENUITY AND THE THINGS THAT COME OUT OF THE MARKET OF THE FARMERS MARKET. I JUST PERSONALLY ENJOYED ATTENDING IT, AND I CAN APPRECIATE THE I CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE THE PRIVATE WHERE CHAZ PUTTING THIS ON, IT'S HIS RELATIONSHIPS AND HE UNDERSTANDS THAT MARKET VERSUS THERE WOULD BE A LOT THEY HAVE TO LEARN ABOUT.

HOW HE GOES ABOUT ORGANIZING THE MARKET AND TELLING CERTAIN VENDORS NO, WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO TO CERTAIN EXTENT AND ORGANIZING THEM TO PAY YOUR PARKING OVER HERE THIS YEAR.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO WHERE ALL THE VENDORS HAVE WHITE CANOPIES YOU KNOW AND GET MORE UNIFORMED WITH IT. SO THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF ORGANIZATION THAT CHAZ AND WALNUT CREEK FARMS TO DO THAT, IF IT WAS STAFF LEAD, WOULD BE IT WOULD BE A CHANGE OF PACE, FOR SURE.

RIGHT, YEAH, BUT OBVIOUSLY FOR FUTURE CONVERSATION.

BUT I JUST APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS FORWARD, ALEX, AND DOING ALL THE MATH AND THE QUESTIONS AND AND POINTS MADE OF TODAY.

BUT I THINK IT GIVES I THINK IT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO COME DOWN TO THE PLAZA AND IT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO AND THEN IT'S ONLY UNTIL ONE P.M.

AND THEN PEOPLE CAN DO ALL THE THINGS AFTER THAT, AND I DID ATTEND THOSE DATE NIGHTS AND I DID ATTEND THE ADDITIONAL FALL AND WINTER, AND THEY HAD THE CANOPIES ON AND IT WASN'T THE WHOLE, IT WASN'T EVEN HALF, IT WAS NOT HALF OF THE GREEN SPACE.

SO IF HE'S STILL PLANNING TO USE THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF SPACE, THERE WAS STILL PLENTY OF GREEN SPACE. THERE WERE PEOPLE THROWING BALLS AND DOING ALL KINDS OF THINGS ON UP CLOSER TO THE STAGE.

AND THEN THERE WERE THERE WAS ROOM TO WALK BETWEEN THE VENDORS.

AND SO I THINK IT STILL WORKED OUT PRETTY WELL.

IT DIDN'T LIMIT PEOPLE FROM GATHERING AND HAVING YOUR COFFEE OR ENJOYING WHATEVER OTHER ADDITIONAL ACTIVITIES YOU WANT TO DO, EVEN IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SHOP IN THE FARMER'S MARKET. SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME.

ANYBODY ELSE? I'M LEANING MORE TOWARDS WHAT DAN SAID, I LIKE THE IDEA OF GETTING RID OF THE POLITICAL SIDE OF IT AND GOING WITH THAT.

CAN I ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS? I WILL MAKE THE MOTION AND I WANT TO SAY THANKS TO TAMARA FOR BRINGING THIS UP.

IT WAS A DISCUSSION THAT'S GOOD THAT WE HAD IT.

A CITIZEN DID RAISE SOME QUESTIONS WITH ME AND I FEEL LIKE WE'VE ADDRESSED THEM AND I THINK WE'VE REACHED A MUTUAL ASSENT.

SO I'M GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE ITEM.

BUT I DO WANT TO ADD THE VERBIAGE THAT POLITICAL BOOTHS WILL NOT BE ALLOWED GOING FORWARD. I NEED A SECOND.

SECOND. OR SOMEBODY DID SOMEBODY ELSE SAY THAT? OH, OK. I HAVE A MOTION BY DAN AND A SECOND BY VICTORIA.

PLEASE VOTE. PASSES UNANIMOUS.

THANK YOU, GUYS. OK, MAYOR AND COUNCIL THAT BRINGS US ON TO SECTION SIX, GENERAL 6A IS

[A. Consider approval of an ordinance designating a school zone along Hidden Creek Parkway near Bransom Elementary school; directing the city manager or designee to erect the appropriate signage; incorporating the recitals into the body of the ordinance; repealing all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict herewith; providing a severability clause; finding and determining that the meeting at which this ordinance is passed is open to the public as required by law; providing for an effective date and publication; and providing for penalties. (First and Final Reading) (Staff Presenter: Michelle McCullough, Assistant Director of Public Works)]

THIS IS AN ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU ON FIRST AND FINAL READING.

THE STAFF PRESENTER TONIGHT AS MICHELLE MCCULLOUGH, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, MS. MCCULLOUGH.

GIVE ME ONE SECOND.

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MY NAME IS MICHELE MCCULLOUGH, I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, AND I'M GOING TO PRESENT A REQUEST FOR OUR SCHOOL ZONE ORDINANCE ON HIDDEN CREEK PARKWAY FOR BRANSOM ELEMENTARY. THIS IS JUST A LOCATION MAP SHOWING YOU WHERE BRANSOM SOME ELEMENTARY IS.

IT GETS ITS MAIN ENTRANCE OFF OF HURST AND ALSO A CONNECTION TO HIDDEN CREEK PARKWAY, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS AN EXISTING SCHOOL ZONE TODAY ON HURST.

AND SO WE TOOK A LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE WE HAD RECEIVED CONCERNS REGARDING SCHOOL AGE KIDS WALKING. WE DID GO OUT THERE FOR SEVERAL SEVERAL DAYS OVER A SPAN OF TWO TO THREE WEEKS.

AND WE DID NOTICE THAT THERE REALLY WEREN'T ANY SCHOOLS, SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN WALKING IN THE MORNING. IT WAS MAINLY IN THE AFTERNOON.

AND WHAT WE DID OBSERVE WAS ABOUT 40 KIDS.

THEY WOULD CROSS HURST WITH A CROSSING GUARD FOR BISD, AND THEN A PORTION OF THOSE CHILDREN WOULD CONTINUE ON INTO THE OAK VALLEY NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THEN A PORTION OF THEM WOULD CONTINUE SOUTH ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF HURST ROAD AND THEN ANOTHER BISD STAFF MEMBER WOULD HELP THEM AT THE SIGNAL CROSS TO THE SOUTH, WHERE THEY WOULD CONTINUE EAST.

AND SO WHAT WE ENDED UP DOING JUST TO EVALUATE WHETHER A SCHOOL ZONE WAS WARRANTED OR NOT, BECAUSE TYPICALLY YOU DON'T PUT A SCHOOL ZONE AT A SIGNAL BECAUSE YOU HAVE ENOUGH GAPS IN BETWEEN.

PLUS, IT'S A PED, AUDIBLE PED CROSSING, AND SO THE SAFETY IS THERE.

BUT KIMBERLY HORTON DID TAKE A LOOK BECAUSE IT IS A MINOR ARTERIAL ROADWAY AND WE DO HAVE QUITE A FEW KIDS THAT WE DID OBSERVE.

AND SO THEY DID ALSO OBSERVE THE SAME ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN WALKING. AND YOU KNOW, AS I SAID, IF THEY ARE TYPICALLY SCHOOL ZONES AREN'T WARRANTED.

AND THEY NOTED THAT IN THEIR REPORT, HOWEVER, THEY CAN BE WARRANTED AT SIGNALS IF THERE IS SCHOOL AGE, PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY CROSSING MAJOR ROADWAYS.

AND IF THE SCHOOL IS LOCATED ADJACENT TO HIGHWAYS OR VISIBLE FROM HIGHWAYS, HIDDEN CREEK PARKWAY CURRENTLY HAS A NORMAL HOURS, HAS A 40 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT ZONE.

AND SO WHAT THE STUDY RECOMMENDED IS TO REDUCE THAT FOR A DISTANCE OF THREE HUNDRED FEET ON EITHER SIDE OF HURST TO TWENTY FIVE MILES AN HOUR.

AND AS I MENTIONED, THE SPEED LIMIT DURING NORMAL HOURS IS 40, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT WOULD BE REDUCED TO TWENTY FIVE-FORTY FIVE MINUTES BEFORE SCHOOL TO 15 MINUTES AFTER SCHOOL START TIME AND 15 MINUTES BEFORE TO FORTY FIVE MINUTES AFTER SCHOOL TO DISMISSAL TIME. AND SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE.

ANY COMMENT? YOU WANT TO SAY, THANKS FOR LOOKING AT THIS ONE.

AND I DRIVE THIS, PARTICULARLY IN AFTERNOON AFTER PICKUP, I PICK UP MY DAUGHTER AND THEN I'M DRIVING THIS AND THERE'S KIDS DARTING AND THERE IS A PRINCIPAL WHO HE COMES OUT ON HIS OWN AND WALKS THEM ACROSS AND AND SO IT WILL BE, I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THOSE DRIVING. I'VE SEEN A NUMBER OF THOSE PASSING BY.

THEY TRY TO SCOOT OVER SO THAT THE KIDS AREN'T GETTING SPLASHED OR RIGHT UP AGAINST THE CARS. BUT I THINK IT WOULD JUST BE SAFER IF WE HAVE IT MARKED.

AND WE KNOW THAT DURING SCHOOL HOURS AND PARTICULARLY THE CARS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF BRANSOM WHEN THEY DRIVE FOR PICKUP, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A GAME OF CHICKEN OF IF YOU CAN CROSS AT 40 MILES AN HOUR COMING TO THE LIGHT.

SO I THINK IT'LL BE A WELCOMED, AT LEAST FOR THE PARENTS, MAYBE NOT FOR ALL PASSER BY TRAFFIC, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY MY APPRECIATION FOR LOOKING INTO IT AND THE WORK ON IT.

AND IF IT IS APPROVED, WE WILL ORDER THE FLASHERS.

BUT THERE IS A EIGHT TO 12 MONTH LEAD TIME, BUT WE WILL PUT SIGNS OUT THERE, BUT THE FLASHERS WILL COME ONCE THEY'RE IN.

WE HAVE LIVED OUT THERE, I WAS THE FOURTH HOUSE IN OAK VALLEY, SO WE'VE BEEN OUT THERE FOR A WHILE AND THIS IS AN INTERSECTION THIS IS NEEDED AT, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? AND I SAID EIGHT TO 12 MONTHS, EIGHT TO 12 WEEK.

IT'S NOT, NOT MONTH.

IS THERE A MOTION ON THIS? I MAKE A MOTION OR I SECOND.

I WAS GOING TO SAY, CAN YOU STATE THE MOTION COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON? NO, SIR, CAN YOU? OK, THAT WAS A MOTION TO APPROVE.

THANK YOU. AND I SECONDED.

I GOT A MOTION BY RONNIE, AND A SECOND BY JIMMY.

PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUS.

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[B. Receive a report on the City's response to the 2019 Coronavirus Disease (Covid-19) and consider the approval and/or continuation and renewal of a new 13th Declaration or current 12th Declaration of Local Disaster and Public Health Emergency regarding Covid-19. (Staff Presenters: K.T. Freeman, Fire Chief, and Matt Ribitzki, Deputy City Attorney/Compliance Manager) ]

AND CONSIDER THE APPROVAL AND OR CONTINUATION AND RENEWAL OF A NEW 13TH DECLARATION OR CURRENT 12TH DECLARATION OF LOCAL DISASTER AND PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY REGARDING COVID 19. STAFF PRESENTERS TONIGHT ARE KT FREEMAN, FIRE CHIEF, CASEY DAVIS, DEPUTY CHIEF.

AND MATT RIBITZKI, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY COMPLIANCE MANAGER.

I BELIEVE CHIEF FREEMAN IS UP FIRST LEADING THE PACK.

THANK YOU, AMANDA. KT FREEMAN, FIRE CHIEF WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU YOUR MONEY'S WORTH TONIGHT. THERE'S JUST THERE'S THREE OF US.

THIS IS GOING TO BE A BRIEF PRESENTATION MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND CASEY IS GOING TO BE PRESENTING THE UPDATE.

BUT THE REASON WHY I WANT TO KICK OFF IS I WANT TO THANK CASEY AND JOSH JACOBS AND DR.

MARTIN, WHO THEY'RE AT THE HELM OF OUR PUBLIC HEALTH AUTHORITY.

OF COURSE, DR. MARTIN, AS YOU ALL KNOW, LEADS IT.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT THE COUNCIL IN THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW IS THAT WHAT YOU ALREADY DO, BUT OUR PUBLIC HEALTH AUTHORITY DOES AN INCREDIBLY GOOD JOB.

THEY CONSTANTLY MONITOR WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THE TRENDS STATEWIDE AND LOCALLY. AND SO, AS YOU'LL SEE IN THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT, AS A TEAM, WE CONTINUE TO MODIFY THEIR SERVICES AND THE HOURS IN THE LOCATION.

TONIGHT YOU'LL SEE THAT WE HAVE CONSOLIDATED THE SERVICES INTO ONE LOCATION.

SO WE BELIEVE THAT IS GOING TO PROVIDE SOME EFFICIENCIES AND BETTER EFFECTIVENESS FROM AN ORGANIZATIONAL STANDPOINT.

AND CERTAINLY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE KIND OF A ONE STOP SHOP FOR OUR COMMUNITY WHERE WE'RE DOING OUR VACCINES AND OUR TESTING.

SO I JUST WANT TO COMMEND OUR STAFF AGAIN FOR THE EXCELLENT JOB THEY DO, THE SERVICES THEY PROVIDE TO THIS COMMUNITY AND HAVE FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

AND NOW THAT WE'RE BRINGING YOU A NEW SCALED DOWN VERSION ONE LOCATION, I'M VERY, VERY PROUD OF THAT AND I JUST WANT TO SHARE THAT WITH THE COUNCIL.

SO WITH THAT SAID, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CASEY.

I'LL BE HERE, OBVIOUSLY, FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AFTER THE PRESENTATION.

AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, CASEY DAVIS, ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF LIKE CHIEF, SAID WE'VE CHANGED SOME THINGS WITH OUR PUBLIC HEALTH TO MEET THE CURRENT DEMAND THAT WE HAVE, AND IT'S GOOD TO REPORT THAT DEMAND HAS DROPPED OFF SIGNIFICANTLY.

SO SOME OF THE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS TONIGHT IS JUST THE PUBLIC HEALTH RELOCATION.

OUR OPERATING HOURS.

WHAT SERVICES ARE WE CURRENTLY PROVIDING AND THEN SOME OF THE CURRENT STATISTICS.

SO THIS IS WHERE WE'VE MOVED TO THE OLD FIRE STATION NUMBER TWO.

AS YOU KNOW, THAT BUILDING HAS BEEN VACANT FOR FOR A FEW MONTHS NOW AS WE TRANSITIONED OVER TO FIRE STATION 16.

SO WE'VE WERE ABLE TO GO OVER THERE AND KIND OF CLEAN UP THINGS AND MOVE PUBLIC HEALTH OVER THERE TO CONSOLIDATE EVERYTHING INTO ONE LOCATION.

SO WE'RE DOING TESTINGS AND VACCINE OVER THERE.

IF YOU RECALL, WE HAD OUR CALL CENTER OVER AT STATION ONE AND WE IN OUR TRAINING ROOM AND WE HAD OUR NURSES THAT WERE WORKING CASES KIND OF IN VARIOUS OFFICES OVER AT STATION ONE AND WE HAD TO BUILD CUBICLES.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS TAKEN UP ALL OF THE CONFERENCE ROOM SPACE AND TESTING.

AND THEN WE HAD TESTING OUT OF STATION THREE AT THE FIRE STATION, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS IN OPERATION. SO AS WE SAW THE THE DEMAND START TO WANE, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO REGROUP AND GET ALL OF OUR OPERATION IN ONE PLACE.

THIS ALSO TAKES VACCINES OUT OF THE BISD OLD KERR AND MOVES THIS THERE AS WELL, AND WE'RE ABLE TO MEET DEMAND ON A DAILY BASIS INSTEAD OF HAVING TO SCHEDULE A CLINIC OVER THERE, YOU KNOW, ONE DAY A WEEK OR TWO DAYS A WEEK OR SPOOL IT BACK UP TO FIVE DAYS A WEEK, WHERE NOW WE CAN JUST VACCINE AS NEEDED OR DO TESTING AS NEEDED AND EVERYTHING'S ALL IN ONE LOCATION. OUR CALL CENTER IS ALSO AT THIS THE OLD STATION, TOO, SO WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE EVERYBODY THERE TOGETHER.

IT'S NICE TO HAVE ALL OF THEM RIGHT THERE TOGETHER.

SO WHEN QUESTIONS COME UP OR IF THEY NEED TO MEET THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, THEY'RE ALL IN ONE PLACE. SO STATION TWO IS GOING TO BE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, EIGHT A.M.

TO FIVE P.M., WE STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO DRIVE THROUGH FOR WITH THE BAY THERE FOR TESTING. IT'S SCHEDULED DAILY AND ON DEMAND IS NEEDED.

WE STILL HAVE THE SQUAD AVAILABLE FOR MOBILE TESTING AS NEEDED.

TESTING SUPPLIES IS STILL BEING PROVIDED FROM TDEM.

THEY'RE STILL PROVIDING THE RAPID TEST.

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WE'VE BEEN USING THE BINAXNOW TEST AND THE CARESTART TEST, AND WE STILL HAVE OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH HUGULEY FOR THE PCRS AS NEEDED.

MAKE APPOINTMENTS THROUGH THE WEBSITE OR BY CALLING THE CALL CENTER AS WE HAVE DOWN THERE. VACCINES ARE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, EIGHT A.M.

TO FIVE P.M. AS SCHEDULED, AND AS DEMAND IS NEEDED, THE SQUAD IS ALSO AVAILABLE FOR MOBILE VACCINES IF NEEDED.

CURRENTLY, WE'RE GIVING ALL THREE MODERNA, PFIZER AND JOHNSON AND JOHNSON, AND WE'RE OFFERING A BOOSTER TO ANYBODY 18 AND OLDER.

IF YOU RECALL, THE PFIZER IS THE ONLY ONE FOR THE AGE GROUP FIVE TO 11, AND PUBLIC HEALTH HAS DECIDED THAT RIGHT NOW, THE BEST PLACE FOR THOSE PATIENTS IS IN THE PEDIATRIC OFFICE, AND WE'VE NOT HAD ANY ISSUE WITH THAT.

EVERYBODY SEEMS TO AGREE WITH THAT.

SO WE'RE STILL DOING CASE MANAGEMENT AS NEEDED.

PATIENTS THAT NEED ASSISTANCE WITH HEALTH CARE STILL WORKING, CURRENTLY WORKING CASES FOR CITY EMPLOYEES STILL HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE ISD'S FOR THEIR NEEDS.

WE STILL HAVE ACCESS TO MONOCLONAL THERAPIES WHERE THAT'S APPROPRIATE.

AND AS YOU KNOW, THAT'S STILL RAPIDLY CHANGING BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT VARIANTS, AND THEY KEEP UP WITH OUR POSITIVITY RATE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATE.

SO JUST SOME QUICK NUMBERS.

VACCINES, WE'VE GIVEN FIFTY SIX THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY THREE VACCINES SINCE WE STARTED. THE POSITIVITY RATE RIGHT NOW IS CURRENTLY AT THE TIME OF MAKING THE SLIDE SHOW, WITH SIX POINT SIX FOR TARRANT COUNTY IN FIVE POINT EIGHT PERCENT FOR JOHNSON COUNTY.

I CAN'T REALLY GIVE YOU A GOOD ESTIMATE OF BURLESON RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OUR TESTING HAS DROPPED OFF SO LOW THAT IT'S REALLY NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T, WE'RE NOT DOING ENOUGH TESTING TO BE ABLE TO GIVE A GOOD NUMBER FOR OURS.

SO WE KNOW THAT WE'RE TRENDING WITH THIS, ACTIVE CASES RIGHT NOW OR NINE.

AND RIGHT NOW, PUBLIC HEALTH IS FOCUSED ON THE TRANSITION.

THEY'RE FOCUSED ON WORKING WHAT CASES ARE COMING IN AND MONITORING.

THE OTHER THING THAT THEY'RE REALLY WORKING HARD ON THAT I DON'T WANT TO UNDERSTATE IS THERE'S A BACKLOG OF PAPERWORK AND COMPLIANCE AND STUFF LIKE THAT THROUGH ALL THE TIME WHENEVER THEY WERE JUST BURIED DURING DELTA AND ALL OF THAT, YOU KNOW, SO STILL WORKING DEATH INVESTIGATIONS AS THOSE COME IN AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL THE RIGHT PAPERWORK IN THE RIGHT PLACE, GETTING UP TO SPEED WITH ALL THE COMPLIANCE PIECES, WE WERE ABLE TO HIRE A MANAGER OVER THERE TO KIND OF HELP TAKE ON THE DAY TO DAY MANAGER PIECE ROLE OF THAT SO THAT WE COULD FOCUS BACK MORE ON FIRE DEPARTMENT OPERATIONS.

BUT THINGS ARE TRENDING DOWN AND WE'RE KIND OF IN THAT MONITORING ROLE AND KIND OF CLEAN UP EVERYTHING AND REGROUP RIGHT NOW.

SO WE'RE HAPPY TO OPEN UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT YOU MAY HAVE, AND I KNOW THAT MATT WILL HAVE ANOTHER PIECE FOR YOU.

HOW OFTEN IS THE MONOCLONAL BEING USED? DO YOU SEE THAT BEING USED QUITE A BIT? SO IT WAS DURING DELTA, OMICRON, IT WAS NOT VERY EFFECTIVE AGAINST THAT.

AND SO THEY BASICALLY KIND OF TURNED IT OFF FOR THAT.

THEY'RE WORKING ON SOME DIFFERENT MODEL MONOCLONAL FOR OMICRON, BUT AS DIFFERENT VARIANTS MAY OR MAY NOT COME IN AVAILABILITY TO THOSE, IT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL WITH THE OTHER VARIANTS PRIOR TO OMICRON, THOUGH THERE'S A MONOCLONAL.

IS THAT A LAST DITCH? NO, NO. SO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS IF SOMEONE FITS INTO A CATEGORY WHERE THEY COULD BE AT HIGH RISK FOR GETTING EXTREMELY ILL OR HAVE PREEXISTING CONDITIONS, AS SOON AS WE FIND OUT THAT THEY ARE POSITIVE, WE WANT TO GET THEM IN FOR IT BECAUSE WHAT HOW THE MEDICINE WORKS IS IT KEEPS IT FROM LIKE RAPIDLY REPRODUCING IN THE BODY.

SO YOU HAVE TO GET THAT MEDICINE ON AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE IF YOU WAIT TILL KIND OF TOWARDS THE END, IT'S NOT VERY EFFECTIVE.

SO YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO REALLY MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN WHEN WE'RE USING THAT STRATEGY AND OUR NURSES AND DR.

MARTIN THEN DO A GREAT JOB OF DOING THAT.

MY HEART GOES OUT TO THOSE GUYS.

THEY DID GREAT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MATT.

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ALL RIGHT, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, MY NAME IS MATT RUBITZKI, I'M THE DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY AND COMPLIANCE MANAGER, THE ITEM BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS THE EMERGENCY DECLARATION IN RESPONSE TO COVID 19.

AND THIS BRIEF PRESENTATION WILL LOOK AT THE CURRENT DECLARATION.

WE'LL LOOK AT THE PROPOSED NEW DECLARATION AND THEN WE'LL LOOK AT THE OPTIONS IN FRONT OF COUNCIL TONIGHT. THE CURRENT DECLARATION WAS SIGNED ON NOVEMBER 17TH, 2020.

IT'S BEEN CONTINUED AND RENEWED SEVERAL TIMES BY THE CITY COUNCIL, AND IT'S CURRENTLY CONTINUED AND RENEWED THROUGH TODAY.

THERE ARE A LOT OF TERMS IN THE CURRENT DECLARATION, BUT THIS SLIDE HAS SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS. HIGH POINTS IN THE CURRENT DECLARATION AND EMERGENCIES DECLARED.

IT IMPLEMENTS A CITY EMERGENCY CITY'S EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLAN.

THE GOVERNOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDERS ARE INCORPORATED AND AUTHORIZES THE CITY MANAGER TO CLOSE CITY PARKS, MAKE EMERGENCY PURCHASES, AND THERE'S LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT ALLOWS THE CITY TO TAKE ADDITIONAL VARIOUS EMERGENCY MEASURES.

BECAUSE THE COVID SITUATION HAS CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE NOVEMBER 17TH, 2020 STAFF HAS PREPARED A PROPOSED DECLARATION FOR CONSIDERATION.

THE PROPOSED DECLARATION IS ESSENTIALLY A SCALED DOWN VERSION OF THE CURRENT DECLARATION.

IT INCLUDES TERMS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE CURRENT DECLARATION.

YOU'LL SEE THOSE AT THE TOP.

IN THE PROPOSED DECLARATION, AN EMERGENCY IS STILL DECLARED.

IT IMPLEMENTS THE CITY'S EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLAN AND IT INCORPORATES THE GOVERNOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDERS.

HOWEVER, IT DOES REMOVE CERTAIN TERMS THAT ARE IN THE CURRENT DECLARATION AT OR REMOVE TERMS REGARDING ALLOWING THE CITY MANAGER TO CLOSE PARKS AND MAKE EMERGENCY PURCHASES AND TAKE ADDITIONAL VARIOUS EMERGENCY MEASURES.

THIS SLIDE HAS A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON OF THE TERMS WE'VE DISCUSSED.

I WILL DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE BOTTOM FOUR TOPICS THERE.

JUST LIKE TO NOTE THAT NEITHER OF THE DECLARATIONS, NEITHER THE CURRENT NOR THE PROPOSED DECLARATION REQUIRE FACIAL COVERINGS, LIMITS THE OCCUPANCY OF BUSINESSES, RESTRICTED GROUPS FROM GATHERING IN CERTAIN NUMBERS REQUIRES BUSINESSES TO ADOPT A HEALTH AND SAFETY POLICY. THE OPTIONS OF FOR COUNCIL TONIGHT ARE TO CONTINUE AND RENEW THE CURRENT DECLARATION THROUGH JULY 5TH OR ANOTHER DATE.

THE MAYOR APPROVED AND CITY COUNCIL WILL CONTINUE TO RENEW THE PROPOSED DECLARATION THROUGH JULY 5TH OR ANOTHER DATE OR TAKE NO ACTION AND LET THE CURRENT DECLARATION EXPIRE TOMORROW. ITS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THE MAYOR APPROVED CITY COUNCIL CONTINUE AND RENEW THE PROPOSED DECLARATION THROUGH JULY 5TH.

THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

DOES APPROVAL OF THIS HAVE ANY BEARING ON OUR POSSIBLE RECEIPT OF ARPA FUNDS.

I DON'T, I MAY LET ALLAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

I WOULD SAY IT WOULD.

IT'S AN INSURANCE POLICY IN CASE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WHICH OCCASIONALLY HAS A TENDENCY TO CHANGE ITS INTERPRETATION, DECIDES THAT WE HAVE TO BE OPERATING UNDER AN EMERGENCY DECLARATION TO RETAIN ELIGIBILITY IF WE RETAIN IT.

WE GUARANTEE WE WILL BE ON THE LIST FOR DISTRIBUTION.

OK, I'M IN, OTHERWISE I DON'T CARE, BUT I'M IN.

WAS THERE ANY ACTION REQUIRED ON THIS ONE? THANK YOU. DO I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE AND RENEW THE [INAUDIBLE] SO WE ACTUALLY STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE MAYOR APPROVE AND CITY COUNCIL CONTINUE TO RENEW THE PROPOSED 13TH DECLARATION THROUGH JULY 5TH, 2022.

THERE, A MOTION ON THIS? I'LL MOVE.

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE..

[INAUDIBLE] SO IT'S TO APPROVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, THANK YOU.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THE THINKETH DECLARATION, THE MIDDLE CHOICE ON THE.

. THANK YOU. I GOT A MOTION BY DAN, A SECOND BY VICTORIA.

PLEASE VOTE.

[C. Approve a resolution accepting the results of the September 30, 2021 annual audit, Annual Comprehensive Financial Report for the period ending September 30, 2021, and the Single Audit Report as of September 30, 2021. (Staff Presenter: Martin Avila, Director of Finance)]

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THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MARTIN AVILA, I'VE FINANCE DIRECTOR AND I DO WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO OUR DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY FOR KIND OF PUSHING HIM OUT WHILE HE WAS STILL TRYING TO GET HIS VOTE.

AND I WAS TRYING TO GET MY PRESENTATION UP.

BUT BUT I HAVE IT UP SO WE CAN START.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT FIRST IS THIS AUDIT BEING THAT THE AUDITORS ARE THE FIRST YEAR IS A DIFFERENT COMPONENT BECAUSE A NEW AUDITOR STARTS, THEY NEED TO GET COMFORTABLE WITH THE INFORMATION THEY NEED TO GET COMFORTABLE WITH THE PROCESS, THEY NEED TO GET COMFORTABLE WITH THE AUDIT RISKS THAT THEY'RE HAVING.

AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WENT THROUGH THIS YEAR.

AND AGAIN, THE STAFF WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I ACKNOWLEDGE THE FINANCE STAFF AND I WANTED TO KIND OF SPEND SOME TIME WITH THEIR NAMES.

AND IT STARTS WITH TIEN NGUYEN, OUR ACCOUNTING MANAGER DID AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB TRYING TO COORDINATE AND WORK BOTH BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENTS AND THE AND THE STAFF AND THE AUDITORS THEMSELVES, AND ALWAYS KEPT ME UP, YOU KNOW, UP TO SPEED AS TO WHAT THINGS WERE GOING ON, WHAT QUESTIONS WERE THERE.

BUT IN ADDITION TO TIEN, WE ALSO HAVE BRENDA [INAUDIBLE], CHRISTINA SMITH.

WE ALSO HAVE LAURA SKAGGS AND LAURA GAY, KATRINA CLOVER, AARON WILLIAMS. AND WE ALSO HAVE JOHN BUTKUS BACK THERE AND LAUREN SAY, AND THOSE ARE ALL THE STAFF MEMBERS THAT WE HAD. THEY WERE ALL INVOLVED.

THEY PLAY A BIG PART OF THIS.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS I AM GOING TO HAVE THE AUDIT PARTNER, JACKIE GONZALEZ PROVIDE THIS PRESENTATION, THEY WILL THEY DO THE AUDIT RESULTS, THEY'RE GOING TO PRESENT THE CALF OR THEY'RE THE ONES THAT THAT DID ALL THE AUDIT WORK AND WE PROVIDED ALL THE INFORMATION THEY NEEDED TO DO.

AND SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO PRESENT, TO COUNCIL IF YOU ALL HAD ANY QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO THAT.

THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY AS WELL.

AND, MARK, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE VOTERS KNOW AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THIS. THIS IS AN ENTIRELY INDEPENDENT AUDIT.

OUR OUR OWN STAFF DIDN'T DO THIS.

WE PUT THIS OUT TO A THIRD PARTY AND THEY'RE COMPLETELY AUTONOMOUS.

YEAH, AND ALL. BUT I'LL MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE INFORMATION THAT IS PROVIDED TO THEM IS PROVIDED BY OUR STAFF.

IT'S THAT'S THE WHOLE CONNECTION BETWEEN.

IT'S NOT JUST A THIS IS A YEAR ROUND REVIEW OF ALL OF OUR TRANSACTIONS.

THE DATA, THE DISSEMBLING, MAKING SURE THAT OUR NUMBERS AT NINE 30 ARE ARE THERE AND ARE PROPERLY PRESENTED.

SO WITH THAT AND ALSO, I'M GOING TO APOLOGIZE TO AARON, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT AARON WALKER IS, I THINK I MAY HAVE PRONOUNCED HER NAME HER LAST NAME, SO I'M STILL LEARNING AFTER TWO YEARS. COULD YOU BELIEVE THAT I SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE IT MEMORIZED BY NOW? I HAD TO MEMORIZE WHEN I WAS SITTING DOWN OVER THERE, BUT SOMETHING WENT WRONG WHEN YOU STAND UP, I GUESS. BUT I WILL LEAVE IT, JACKIE GONZALEZ, OUR PARTNER FROM WEAVER.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MARTIN.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US HERE THIS EVENING.

AS MARTIN SAID, THIS IS OUR FIRST YEAR AND IT WENT VERY WELL FOR US.

AND YOU'LL SEE HERE BY THE RESULTS TONIGHT THAT IT WAS A VERY SUCCESSFUL AUDIT US BEING ABLE TO GET THROUGH THE INFORMATION QUICKLY BASED ON THE INCREDIBLE JOB THAT THE STAFF DID, AS WELL AS THE RESULTS THAT WE'RE PROVIDING ON THE CITY'S AUDIT TONIGHT.

SO, AS MARTIN MENTIONED, I AM JACKIE GONZALEZ, THE AUDIT PARTNER FROM WEAVER, SO AT WEAVER, WE ARE A NATIONAL PUBLIC ACCOUNTING FIRM.

OUR GOVERNMENT PRACTICES ONE OF OUR TOP THREE INDUSTRY PRACTICES WITHIN THE FIRM.

AND SO JUSTINE AND MYSELF, WE PRACTICE IN THERE IN THAT INDUSTRY GROUP 100 PERCENT OF OUR YEAR AS WELL AS OUR STAFF.

AND I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE JUSTINE SINGLETARY.

SHE IS THE AUDIT MANAGER ON THE CITY'S AUDIT, SO SHE WAS VERY INVOLVED AND WORKED CLOSELY WITH TIEN ON THE DAY IN, DAY OUT INFORMATION AND ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT WENT BACK AND FORTH. AND THEN IN ADDITION TO US, WE ALSO HAD MELISSA KIRKLAND, WHO SERVES AS THE SENIOR OR IN CHARGE ACCOUNTANT.

SO SHE DID A LOT OF THE ACTUAL WORK AND TESTING THAT WENT ON THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE AUDIT. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR AUDIT PROCESS, AS MARTIN MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WE DO REALLY TAKE A FULL YEAR APPROACH TO OUR AUDIT AND THE AUDIT CYCLE TO WHERE WE ARE IN CONSTANT CONTACT WITH STAFF SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CITY CHANGES OR THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO YOU THAT HAPPEN THROUGHOUT THE YEAR SO THAT WHEN WE COME IN

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THAT SCHEDULE, THAT LAST SCHEDULE GOT A LITTLE BIT OFF DUE TO THE ICE AND THE WEATHER.

SO WE DID PRESENT THAT TODAY, EARLIER TODAY, AND THEN WE WILL START THE PROCESS ALL OVER AND BEGIN THOSE DISCUSSIONS FOR FISCAL 2022.

WE DO PERFORM OUR AUDIT IN ACCORDANCE WITH GENERALLY ACCEPTED AUDITING STANDARDS, AS WELL AS GENERALLY ACCEPTED GOVERNMENT AUDITING STANDARDS AND THE UNIFORM GUIDANCE.

THAT LAST PIECE RELATED TO THE UNIFORM GUIDANCE IS DUE TO THE AMOUNT OF FEDERAL FUNDING THAT YOU RECEIVED, WHICH WAS OVER SEVEN HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS, WHICH MEANT YOU REQUIRED A SINGLE AUDIT, WHICH IS THE THINNER, SMALLER REPORT IN ADDITION TO THE ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.

AND SO WE ISSUED THOSE TWO SEPARATE REPORTS AND DID TWO SEPARATE AUDITS, ESSENTIALLY, AND I'LL GO OVER THE RESULTS OF THOSE IN JUST A SECOND.

AND WE DO PERFORM A RISK BASED AUDIT THROUGHOUT THAT COURSE OF UNDERSTANDING.

WE REALLY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THOSE AREAS THAT ARE HIGHER RISKS SO THAT WE ARE FOCUSING OUR TESTING IN THOSE AREAS AND THOSE WE HAVE LISTED HERE ARE THE REVENUE RECOGNITION AND RELATED RECEIVABLES, AS WELL AS THE GRANT REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES, CAPITAL PROJECTS PURCHASING AND ALL THE BIDDING REQUIREMENTS SURROUNDING THOSE CAPITAL PROJECTS AND PURCHASING, AS WELL AS LONG TERM DEBT AND THE PAYABLES AND ACCRUED LIABILITIES SUCH AS YOUR PENSION AND OPEB THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT LONG, LONG TERM PIECE.

WE ALSO DESIGN AND PERFORM PROCEDURES RELATED TO FRAUD RISK AROUND MISAPPROPRIATION OF ASSETS MANAGEMENT, OVERRIDE OF CONTROL AND REVENUE RECOGNITION.

THESE NEXT TWO SLIDES ARE REALLY THE SUMMARY OF WHAT WE DIDN'T FIND, WHICH IS WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE IN AN AUDIT, AND SO WE HAVE ISSUED AN UNMODIFIED OPINION, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF ASSURANCE THAT WE, AS YOUR INDEPENDENT AUDITOR, CAN PROVIDE OR A CLEAN OPINION, IF YOU WILL.

THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF OUR AUDIT, WE DO LOOK AT YOUR INTERNAL CONTROLS OVER YOUR SIGNIFICANT TRANSACTION CYCLES.

I MEAN, WE HAD NO MATERIAL WEAKNESSES, NO SIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCIES AND NO MATTERS OF NONCOMPLIANCE RELATED TO YOUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.

AS I MENTIONED, WE DID PERFORM A SINGLE AUDIT AND YOU'LL SEE DOWN THERE IN THE LOWER RIGHT. WE AUDITED THE HIGHWAY PLANNING AND CONSTRUCTION CLUSTER PROGRAMS FOR THIS YEAR.

WE HAVE ALSO ISSUED AN UNMODIFIED OPINION OF COMPLIANCE OVER THAT MAJOR PROGRAM WITHIN THAT PROGRAM. WE ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT THE INTERNAL CONTROLS OVER COMPLIANCE, AND WE HAVE NO MATERIAL WEAKNESSES, NO SIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCIES, AND WE ALSO FOUND NO COMPLIANCE FINDINGS WITHIN THAT MAJOR PROGRAM THAT WE AUDITED.

YOU WILL SEE UP THERE THE LOW RISK AUDITEE QUESTION IS ANSWERED NO.

EXPLANATION OF THAT IS DOWN IN THE RIGHT HAND CORNER ALSO.

TO BE ELIGIBLE TO BE A LOW RISK AUDITEE, YOU HAVE HAD TO RECEIVE TWO SINGLE AUDITS AND HAVE NO FINDINGS ON THOSE.

THIS IS ONLY YOUR SECOND YEAR, SO YOU'LL BE ELIGIBLE FOR THAT CLASSIFICATION IN FISCAL 2022 WHICH BECAUSE YOU'VE HAD NO FINDINGS, YOU WILL BE THAT LOW RISK AUDITEE NEXT YEAR IN FISCAL 2022.

AND THAT JUST MEANS THAT INSTEAD OF HAVING TO AUDIT AT LEAST 40 PERCENT OF YOUR TOTAL FEDERAL AWARDS, WE WILL ONLY BE REQUIRED TO AUDIT 20 PERCENT OF THAT TOTAL.

HERE WE'LL GO OVER THE FINANCIAL HIGHLIGHTS FOR THE GENERAL FUND THAT ASSETS OF JUST OVER TWENTY ONE MILLION DOLLARS, LIABILITIES OF JUST OVER TWO MILLION, DEFERRED INFLOWS OF RESOURCES OF SIX HUNDRED AND EIGHTY THREE THOUSAND AND THEN THE FUND BALANCE BROKEN INTO A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT CATEGORIES HERE, NON SPENDABLE FORTY NINE THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED COMMITTED FOR DEBT SERVICE OF FOUR HUNDRED AND SIXTY FIVE THOUSAND COMMITTED FOR OTHER PURPOSES OF TWO HUNDRED AND THIRTY FOUR THOUSAND, WITH THE REMAINING UNASSIGNED OVER SEVENTEEN POINT FIVE MILLION SEVENTEEN POINT SIX MILLION TO BRING YOUR TOTAL FUND BALANCE IN THE GENERAL FUND TO EIGHTEEN POINT THREE MILLION.

REVENUES WERE JUST OVER FORTY FIVE POINT THREE, WITH EXPENDITURES OF FORTY THREE POINT ONE, WHICH BROUGHT YOUR REVENUES OVER EXPENDITURES TO TWO POINT TWO MILLION DOLLARS.

AND THEN YOU HAD OTHER FINANCING USES OF FIFTY TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR TOTAL NET CHANGE IN FUND BALANCE OF JUST OVER TWO POINT TWO MILLION.

HERE'S JUST A BREAKDOWN THAT SHOWS YOU A PIE CHART OF WHAT THAT REVENUE LOOKS LIKE AND WHERE THOSE ARE LARGELY COMING FROM, WHICH WE CAN SEE, AS EXPECTED, COME FROM YOUR PROPERTY TAXES AND THEN FOLLOWED BY THE SALES AND USE TAXES.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THE EXPENDITURES FOR THE GENERAL FUND, YOU WILL SEE THEIR PUBLIC SAFETY MAKES UP A LARGE PORTION OF WHERE THOSE EXPENDITURES ARE GOING IN THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH AGAIN IS EXPECTED.

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ACTUAL EXPENDITURES OF FORTY THREE POINT ONE MILLION WERE LESS THAN BUDGETED BY TWO POINT THREE MILLION. AND THEN YOU'RE ENDING FUND BALANCE, OF COURSE, WAS THE EIGHTEEN POINT THREE MILLION, WITH THE UNASSIGNED OF SEVENTEEN POINT SIX BEING THIRTY EIGHT POINT EIGHT PERCENT OF YOUR FISCAL TWENTY TWENTY ONE BUDGETED EXPENDITURES.

WELL, NOW TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU.

ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT AGAIN, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE AS YOUR AUDITORS, AND IT WAS A VERY ENJOYABLE PROCESS.

I KNOW THAT MAY SOUND ODD TO SAY FOR AN AUDIT, BUT IT WAS A VERY ENJOYABLE PROCESS FOR US . WAS OUR SOFTWARE.

ARE WE CURRENT ON OUR SOFTWARE? WOULD THIS BEEN AN EASIER JOB IF ARE WE UP TO DATE ON ON WHAT WE HAVE? IS THAT I'M ASKING YOU BECAUSE YOU REFER TO A SOFTWARE AS JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU USE THAT WE HAVE? WE DO.

I MEAN, WE AUDIT LIKE MARTIN SAID, HE PROVIDES ALL THE INFORMATION, SO THAT COMES DIRECTLY. A LOT OF THAT IS ELECTRONIC THAT WE RECEIVE.

I THINK IT'S MORE OF A BURDEN ON STAFF TRYING TO GET THAT DATA IN A WAY THAT IS USABLE FOR US.

SO DEFINITELY HAVING A SYSTEM THAT IS MORE USER FRIENDLY THAT CAN EXTRACT THE DATA AND PROVIDE TO US WOULD PROVIDE LESS BURDEN ON THE STAFF.

BUT ONCE IT GETS TO US, IT'S IN A USABLE FORMAT.

AND SO. THAT HELPS US IN PERFORMING OUR PROCEDURES.

OH, NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. THANK YOU.

TRYING TO SET YOU UP, MARTIN.

WELL, ANSWERING THIS QUESTION IS ONE OF THE DIFFICULTIES THAT WE HAVE WITH THIS SYSTEM IS TRYING TO GET TO THE DATA REPORTING MECHANISMS. SO THAT IS THAT IS ONE THING.

NORMALLY WHEN YOU HAVE 20 YEARS OF A FINANCIAL SYSTEM, YOU HAVE 20 YEARS OF ACCOUNTING ACCOUNTS THAT HAVE NO LONGER ARE BEING USED AND THE DATA JUST CONTINUES TO GROW AND THIS DATABASE IS EXCESSIVE.

BUT THE IDEA IS, IS THE MAIN ISSUE WE'RE HAVING IS GETTING TO THE INFORMATION FROM THE STANDPOINT OF REPORTING, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF BEING ABLE TO TO STREAMLINE SOME OF THOSE PROCESSES AS IT RELATES TO THE INFORMATION COMING BACK.

OK. THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.

NO, THANK YOU. MARTIN, WILL THE NEW ERP, WILL IT HELP IN THAT AREA? YES. GOOD.

THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED. YES IT WILL.

THANK YOU. SIR, ANY QUESTIONS, ANYBODY? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S RELEVANT TO ASK THIS NOW, WHAT WAS THE.

THIS IS ACTUALLY I JUST REALIZED AS I WAS GOING TO ASK IT A LOADED QUESTION AS IF YOU WENT AND SPENT TWO HUNDRED TWO POINT FIVE MILLION DOLLARS ON ONE FELL SWOOP.

WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE IN OUR EXPENSES SINCE WE WERE HIGHER TWO AND A HALF MILLION? IT WAS LOWER, OH I MISHEARD THAT, I'M SORRY.

SO THE IDEA IS AGAIN, YOU ESTIMATE WHAT THOSE EXPENDITURES ARE GOING TO BE.

I THINK A LOT OF THOSE EXPENDITURES WERE TIED TO EITHER SOME CONTRACTS, REPAIR AND MAINTENANCES IS THAT THAT DEPARTMENT'S THINKING THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE AND THEY DON'T NEED TO USE. AND SO ALL OF THAT KIND OF BUILDS UP THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE FINANCIALS.

WE MAY HAVE SOME SALARY SAVINGS AS WELL.

SO IT KIND OF GOES ALL ACROSS THE WHOLE, ALL THE DEPARTMENTS.

AND SO THAT'S A GOOD THING. I'M SORRY THAT I MISHEARD IT.

AND I DON'T KNOW. I EVEN FLIP FLOP THE I'M LOOKING AT IT AND FLIP FLOPPED IT.

BUT THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME, MARTIN, WHAT I TOOK OUT ALL OF THAT WAS THAT WE MADE MORE AND YOU SPENT LESS CORRECT? YEAH. GOOD JOB.

THAT'S ALL I NEED. NO THANK YOU.

AND I THINK I THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE GENERAL FUND LATER WHICH I'M EXCITED ABOUT, WE TALK ABOUT IT'S ABOUT 40 PERCENT FUND BALANCE AS A RESULT OF THAT.

AND SO WE HAVE A GOOD STARTING POINT AND IT'LL BE SOME OF THOSE DECISIONS THAT WE NEED TO GET SOME DIRECTION ON GOING FORWARD.

ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? YES SIR.

IS THERE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AUDIT.

SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY JAMIE AND A SECOND BY TAMARA, PLEASE VOTE.

PASSES UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU, GUYS, APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. THAT BRINGS US ON TO ITEM 6 D.

[D. Consider approval of a five-year contract with Hoot’s Lawn Care, LLC for Tier 1 and Tier 3 West Litter Services in the amount not to exceed $457,537.50. (Staff Presenter: Jen Basham, Parks and Recreation Director)]

THE STAFF PRESENTER IS JENN BASHAM, PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR, MS. BASHAM. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL THIS EVENING.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TRASH.

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THIS WAS TO SUPPLEMENT A SERVICE GAP THAT WE REALLY REALIZED WAS BETWEEN OUR MOWING AND OUR LANDSCAPE CONTRACTS.

MOWING AND LANDSCAPE, CURRENTLY, THEY PICK UP LARGE PIECES THAT WOULD GET IN THE WAY OF LAWN MOWERS OR GET STUCK IN THE BUSHES OR THE WEEDS AND SOME OF OUR LANDSCAPE MEDIANS.

BUT IT WAS NOT ALL OF THE TRASH THAT TENDS TO ACCUMULATE IN ALL OF THOSE RIGHT OF WAYS.

THE LITTER REMOVAL THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING THIS EVENING IS FOR OVER ONE HUNDRED AND TEN PROPERTIES, REPRESENTING OVER TWO HUNDRED AND SIXTY ACRES OF OUR CITY.

THE REMOVAL OF THIS IS WITHIN SIX FEET OF WATER.

IT CHANGES OUT THE TRASH RECEPTACLE LINERS.

IT REMOVES BROKEN GLASS AND THEN, OF COURSE, SMALL OR FALLEN TREE LIMBS.

THE THREE TIERS THAT WE BREAK THIS UP INTO ARE THE SAME TIERS THAT WE BREAK ARE MOWING AND OUR LANDSCAPE UP INTO.

TIER ONE, THE EXAMPLES OF THOSE PROPERTIES INCLUDE JON JONES, WILTSHIRE, HIDDEN CREEK, ALSBURY, RENFRO AND VILLAGE CREEK.

TIER TWO IS SUMMERCREST, DOBSON, MCALISTER, EAST RENFRO, I-35 AND ALSBURY AND THEN TIER THREE, WHICH IS OUR LOWEST FREQUENCY AS COUNTY ROAD 518, FARM TO MARKET 917, HIGHPOINT PARKWAY AND VALLEY CREST.

AND THE MAP THAT YOU SEE TO YOUR LEFT, WHICH YOU'LL ALSO SEE ON THE NEXT SLIDE, SHOWS ALL OF OUR MOWING LANDSCAPE AND LITTER HIGHLIGHTED IN DIFFERENT COLORS.

SO FOR TIER ONE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS TWO SERVICES PER WEEK, SO ONE HUNDRED AND FOUR SERVICES PER YEAR, WE DON'T BREAK THAT UP INTO JUST THAT SPECIFIC.

WE DO IT PER CYCLE THAT WAY.

IF WE NEED TO ADJUST, SAY THERE WAS A BIG WEATHER EVENT OR SOMETHING, WE COULD PICK UP AN ADDITIONAL CYCLE AND MAY DO A LOWER CYCLE LATER IN THE YEAR.

THIS IS THOSE HIGHLY PROGRAMED AREAS THAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE FIRST ONE.

TIER TWO IS FIFTY TWO SERVICES PER WEEK AND THEN MODERATELY VISIBLE, AND THEN TIER THREE IS BIWEEKLY, SO ONLY TWENTY SIX SERVICES PER YEAR.

THE RFP THAT WE ISSUED HAD SOME SCORING CRITERIA, SO WE LOOKED AT THE BACKGROUND OF THE COMPANY, THEIR ABILITY TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE WORK CHART AND CERTIFICATIONS COST WAS 10 PERCENT OF THE CONSIDERATION AND THEN TOP THREE IN TERMS OF SCOPE AND COST.

THIS WAS A THREE YEAR CONTRACT TERM, BUT WE DID ADJUST THAT TO FIVE YEARS.

AND THEN WE HAD FIVE RESPONSIVE BIDDERS FOR THE ENTIRE RFP, WHICH IT DID INCLUDE MOWING AND LANDSCAPE, AND THE TWO THAT BID ON LITTER SPECIFICALLY WERE BRIGHTVIEW AND HOOTS.

SO FOR TIER ONE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING HOOTS AT A BASE BID OF 58 ONE.

THIS IS ANNUALLY TIMES FIVE YEAR.

TIER TWO IS BRIGHT VIEW FOR FIFTY FIVE FOUR TO NINE TIMES FIVE YEARS AND THEN TIER THREE IS BRIGHT VIEW AND TIER THREE EAST AND TIER THREE WEST IS HOOTS.

THE TOTAL ANNUAL REMOVAL, AND THIS INCLUDES A FIVE PERCENT CONTINGENCY IN CASE WE ADD ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES IS ONE EIGHTY FOUR NINE OH SIX WITH 20 CENTS.

AND SO THIS IS OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD.

THIS IS WHAT THE TOTAL COST WOULD BE FOR HOOTS LAWN CARE AND BRIGHTVIEW.

AND WE DID COMPLETE AN IN-HOUSE COST ANALYSIS OF THIS.

AND BECAUSE WE WERE DETERMINING IF IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR US TO PROVIDE THIS SERVICE IN HOUSE, AND IT WAS PROJECTED TO COST US ALMOST $300000 MORE OVER THAT FIVE YEAR PERIOD.

SO IT WAS MORE ECONOMICAL FOR US TO DO THIS THROUGH A CONTRACTOR.

THE FUNDING FOR THIS, ORIGINALLY WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS FORWARD, WE WERE CONSIDERING UTILIZING FOR BE FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT.

AFTER REVIEWING THAT, WE REALIZED THAT THIS WASN'T ELIGIBLE FOR 4B USE, SO WE DID DO SOME GENERAL FUND FORECASTING AND WE ABSORBED IT INTO THE GENERAL FUND.

AND THEN WE WILL BE REALLOCATING SOME OF OUR ELIGIBLE LINE ITEMS TO 4B AND IT'LL OFFSET THE COST. SO WE HAVE TWO THIS EVENING, THERE'S ONE SLIDE THAT DISCUSSES BRIGHT VIEW, AND THEN THERE'S ONE FOR HOOTS, AND I AM READY FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

I'VE GOT A QUESTION, SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE MOWING ON THE RFP, ON THERE, THE MOWING AND THIS. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAVE THE NUMBERS RIGHT.

THE 3.2 MILLION OVER FIVE YEARS FOR THE MOWING AND THE LITTER, I WOULD HAVE TO ADD THEM UP BECAUSE MOWING LITTER AND LANDSCAPE.

AND ON THE MOWING IT SAYS THAT THEY WOULD PICK UP THE LITTER ALONG WITH THAT.

SO THEY DO LARGE PIECES OF TRASH.

SO ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO GET IN THE WAY OF A LAWN MOWER IF THEY SEE A BIG TREE LIMB, IF THEY SEE, YOU KNOW, CARDBOARD BOX OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE WAY OF THEIR MOWING. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE INCLUDING IN THEIR MOWING CONTRACT.

IT'S NOT ALL LITTER.

OK. THE REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE IF IT IS THAT 3.2 THAT I SAW IN THE RFP THAT COMES OUT EVEN AT $15 AN HOUR, BASICALLY 20 FULL TIME EMPLOYEES PER YEAR.

AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE ADDITIONAL COST OF FLEET AND FLEET MAINTENANCE GAS, EVERYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, THE TRAINING, THE UNIFORMS. SO WHEN WE DID OUR COST ANALYSIS, IT WAS MORE ECONOMICAL FOR US TO GO WITH A CONTRACTOR.

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WE DO IT BY CYCLE.

SO TIER ONE IS DIFFERENT THAN TIER TWO, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN TIER THREE.

SO WE DO IT ON A SEVEN DAY CYCLE, TYPICALLY BETWEEN MARCH AND NOVEMBER, BUT WE CAN EXPAND THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE IT PER CYCLE.

SO IF IT STARTS GROWING SOONER IN MARCH, WE CAN EMPLOY THEM EARLIER OR IF IT GOES DORMANT EARLIER, WE CAN CYCLE IT OFF AND WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT YEAR.

FOR ME PERSONALLY, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE A BIGGER BREAKDOWN BECAUSE THREE POINT TWO MILLION OVER FIVE YEARS, A LOT OF MONEY FOR MAINTAINING, WHAT DO WE SAY, TWO HUNDRED AND SIXTY ACRES? MM HMM.

THAT'S A THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO MAINTAIN TWO HUNDRED AND SIXTY ACRES.

I JUST I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE NUMBERS BROKEN DOWN FOR THAT.

THAT'S ME PERSONALLY.

OK. JEN, YOU SENT ME THE TIERS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALTHOUGH THAT WAS A BIG DOCUMENT TO DIGEST.

SO, I LOOKED AT IT.

LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION.

THE TIERS FOR THE LITTER? DO THEY MATCH THE TIERS FOR MOWING AND MAINTENANCE? YES, MA'AM. OK, SO THAT IS A BIT WHERE I HAVE SOME FEEDBACK.

SO IN THE RFP, TIER ONE LANDSCAPING BEDS IN ULTRA HIGH TRAFFIC AREAS, WEEKLY INSPECTIONS, UP TO FIFTY-TWO CYCLES.

AND THIS IS WRITTEN IN THE RFP FOR HAND WEEDING, SUCKERING TREES AND LITTER REMOVAL.

YES. AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO THESE TIER ONE LOCATIONS ALREADY FIFTY-TWO CYCLES A YEAR.

AND IT'S GOT LITTER REMOVAL LISTED IN THE RFP, AND THAT'S SEPARATE FROM OUR OTHER, WHICH IS WHY I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO KIND OF READ THE [INAUDIBLE].

I DO HAVE THE ORDINANCES, BUT SO THEN I'M TIER TWO LANDSCAPING BEDS IN HIGH TRAFFIC AREAS. I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT'S OUR HIGHWAYS, MEDIANS, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

I TRIED TO LOOK AT THE.

TIER TWO IS LIKE ALSBURY, CANDLER.

IT'S YOUR LESS FREQUENT THOROUGHFARES.

SAME THING. THIRTY-EIGHT CYCLES FOR HAND WEEDING, SUCKERING TREES AND LITTER REMOVAL.

HAND WEEDING THEY'RE IN, THEY'RE ALREADY THERE, AND THAT'S 38 CYCLES.

SO FOR ME, I LOOK AT THIS LIKE JUST INCREASE THE CYCLES.

BUT I'M ALSO IT'S MONTHLY INSPECTIONS.

THERE'S QUITE A BIT, THEY'RE GOING OUT THERE ON A REGULAR BASIS.

SO WHEN I BROKE DOWN WHAT IT WOULD TURN OUT TO WHEN WE ADD THE LITTER, IT'S TIER ONE, WHICH IS WE'RE ALREADY GOING THERE FIFTY-TWO CYCLES A YEAR.

ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT REDUNDANT AND ACCIDENTALLY MISS SOMETHING, AND NOW WE'RE ADDING ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY THOUSAND DOLLARS ON A YEAR FOR LITTER.

OK, SO ONE I'M TRYING TO READ EVERYTHING AND COMPARE IT.

OK, SO TIER ONE WOULD BE FORTY FOUR THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED AND FORTY ONE DOLLARS AND SIXTY SIX CENTS A MONTH ADDITIONAL WHEN THEY'RE ALREADY ON SITE.

IT WOULDN'T BE THAT A MONTH.

WELL, I BROKE OUT THE WHATEVER THEIRS WAS THE TWENTY, WHAT WAS IT, TWENTY-FOUR THOUSAND A YEAR, I JUST DIVIDED IT BY TWELVE, SO I CAN KIND OF GET AN IDEA.

SO BUT IN THEIR AGREEMENT ALREADY THAT.

DIFFERENT LEVEL OF LITTER REMOVAL AND THE ISSUE THAT WE CONTINUE WE'VE HAD OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS OR AT LEAST SINCE MY TENURE HERE, IS THAT WE AREN'T HAVING THERE'S SO MUCH LITTER THAT THEY'RE HAVING TO COME BACK OUT.

SO THEY'RE EXCEEDING THAT CYCLE AMOUNT ANYWAYS BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GET ALL THE LITTER.

AND THERE'S SO MUCH LITTER IN THOSE AREAS THAT THERE IS CREATING AN ISSUE WITH THEIR MOWING. OK, SO THEN WE'RE PUT OUT ANOTHER RFP FOR ANOTHER FIFTY TWO.

SO WE'RE SAYING OR TWICE A WEEK, SO THAT'S GOING TO BE THREE TIMES A WEEK THAT THEY'RE PICKING UP LITTER.

IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.

THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET ALL THE LITTER.

I FEEL LIKE WHAT WE'VE KIND OF.

SO HERE IS MY SUGGESTION BECAUSE I KNOW WE I HATE BRINGING UP CHALLENGES WITHOUT SOLUTIONS. A COUPLE OF THINGS.

NUMBER ONE, WE'VE BROUGHT UP COMMERCIAL FACILITIES QUITE A BIT.

WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR COMMERCIAL FACILITIES.

THAT'S NOT OUR JOB TO CLEAN UP THE STOREFRONTS AND STUFF.

HOWEVER, CODE COMPLIANCE NEEDS TO BE, I BELIEVE MORE ON TOP OF THAT.

AND I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE STRINGENT GUIDELINES RELATED TO THAT.

IS IT POSSIBLE? BECAUSE WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE SAID WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM.

LET'S JUMP ALL THE WAY TO THE MOST FREQUENT THAT WE COULD COME UP WITH AND THE MOST EXPENSIVE INSTEAD OF SAYING, HEY, LET'S JUST ADD ON ONE THING AND SEE IF THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. INSTEAD, WE'RE ADDING ON MULTIPLES AND WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO THE HIGHEST END.

SO CAN WE PULL BACK A LITTLE BIT AND TRY SOMETHING? I WOULD ALSO LOVE TO TAKE A PORTION OF THIS MONEY AND SAY, LET'S RUN A LITTER CAMPAIGN, LET'S RUN A CAMPAIGN THAT'S ABOUT LITTERING AND NOT THROWING YOUR CIGARETTE BUTTS OUT.

LIKE WHEN I WAS SITTING AT ALSBURY AND THIRTY-FIVE, YOU'RE NEVER, EVER, EVER GOING TO GET ALL THE CIGARETTE BUTTS OUT OF THERE.

BUT LET'S MAKE SOME SIGNS.

I MEAN, DOESN'T WE COULD TAKE TEN GRAND AND RUN A LITTER CAMPAIGN AND WORK WITH

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I'VE REALIZED SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LITTER, BUT WE ALSO HAVE HAD EXTREME WIND THE LAST SIX MONTHS HEAVY, HEAVY WIND.

SO THAT ALSO COULD BE TRASH BEING PICKED UP FROM OUR NON RECEPTACLE TRASH THAT GOES ON OUR FRONT PORCHES.

SO WE DON'T HAVE.

WE'RE JUST PUTTING THEM IN BAGS AND EVEN I AM GUILTY OF NOT TYING UP MY BAG TIGHT ENOUGH A FEW TIMES AND GOING OUT THE NEXT MORNING AND SEEING TRASH ON MY CURB AND GOING, OH, LET ME STUFF THAT BACK IN THERE.

SO IS IT POSSIBLE WE COULD LOOK AT GETTING TRASH RECEPTACLES LIKE WE HAVE FOR THE RECYCLING RECEPTACLES, INCREASED CODE ENFORCEMENT WITH OUR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS? AND I KNOW THAT COUNCIL MEMBER VICTORIA MADE A GOOD POINT ABOUT SOMETHING WITH OUR ORDINANCES FOR WHEN THEY BUILD BUILDINGS TO PUT TRASH CANS IN FRONT OF THOSE STRIPS.

THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY DOES IT, AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH THERE.

SO MY CONCERN IS JUST AGAIN, FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE, KNOWING THAT I BELIEVE AND YOU MAY CORRECT ME, THAT EVEN SOME OF OUR RIGHT AWAY FROM MOWING IS GOING TO HAVE TO COME OFF OF 4B AND MOVE INTO THE GENERAL FUND AT THIS POINT.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT WILL BE TRANSFERRED? YES, MA'AM, RIGHT? SO WE ARE LOOKING AT INCREASING OUR COST TO THE GENERAL FUND ALREADY BECAUSE OF WHAT WE DISCOVERED THAT CERTAIN MOWING THINGS THAT ARE BEING ATTRIBUTED TO 4B NOW NEED TO MOVE OVER TO THE GENERAL FUND.

THEY WERE ELIGIBLE TO MOVE OVER IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I THINK THAT WAS JUST THE BEST PRACTICE THAT THEY USE IN THE PAST.

THOSE FUNDS COULD HAVE MOVED AT ANY YEAR AND WERE ELIGIBLE TO BE MOVED.

SO IT WAS JUST AFTER WE DID AN AUDIT, WE REALIZED WE HAD ALL OF THESE AVAILABLE FUNDS THAT COULD MOVE FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO 4B AND THROUGH OUR 4B PROJECTIONS, WE FELT LIKE THE FUNDING WAS HEALTHY ENOUGH FOR US TO SUSTAIN THAT.

SO YOU'LL MOVE IT FROM 4B TO GENERAL.

NO, IT'S A FLOP.

IT'S YEAH, IT'S SOME THINGS ARE MOVING FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO 4B AND VICE VERSA, BUT IT'S COST NEUTRAL TO THE GENERAL FUND.

SO WHATEVER COSTS ARE MOVING INTO THE GENERAL FUND WILL BE OFFSET WITH THE THINGS THAT ARE MOVING TO 4B.

OK. SO HOPEFULLY THAT MAKES SENSE.

YEAH, BUT AGAIN, I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE AND THIS IS ALWAYS A CAUTIONARY THING.

AND I KNOW A LOT OF YOU UP HERE WANT TO BE CONSERVATIVE WITH SPENDING AS WELL, WHICH IS JUST BECAUSE IT'S THERE DOESN'T MEAN WE NECESSARILY HAVE TO SPEND IT RIGHT NOW.

AND I THINK WE'RE JUMPING TO THE BIGGER SOLUTION HERE.

AND IS IT POSSIBLE WE CAN PUT SOME OTHER STEPS INTO PLAY THAT AREN'T AS EXPENSIVE? AND AGAIN, I WOULD REALLY HONESTLY LIKE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THIS LITTER REMOVAL THAT'S IN THE RFP FOR THESE TIER ONE, TIER TWO, AND TIER THREE FOR MOWING AND MAINTENANCE.

IT'S IN THERE ALREADY, SO THE GUYS ARE ALREADY OUT THERE ON A FREQUENCY BASIS.

SO YOU THINK IF THEY SEE A PEN, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PICK IT UP OVER A CUP, THEY'RE GOING TO PICK IT UP IF THEY'RE THERE.

YEAH. WELL, THAT HAS NOT OCCURRED.

WELL, THEN. SO AS I READ IN THE RFP, THE DEPUTY PARKS MANAGER OR DIRECTOR IS RESPONSIBLE FOR OVERSIGHT OF THIS.

OK, SO THERE GOES THE OTHER WHEN WE OUTSOURCE THINGS, WE HAVE LESS OVERSIGHT.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO THEN ARE WE DOING OUR JOB AND HOLDING THEIR THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE AND DOING THEIR JOB? BECAUSE I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, CONTRACTORS, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL GET AWAY WITH SOMETIMES AS MUCH AS THEY CAN UNTIL THEY GET CAUGHT.

AND IT'S NOT ON THE CONTRACTOR, BUT SOMETIMES THEIR EMPLOYEES DON'T ALWAYS DO WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.

I WILL SAY THIS.

OUR STAFF HAS TRIED TO, WE HAVE STAYED ON TOP OF THE CONTRACTORS TO DO THE WORK.

IN FACT, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE REBID A LOT OF THEM OWN CONTRACTS BECAUSE WE WEREN'T GETTING THE SERVICES THAT WE NEED NEEDED FROM THOSE CONTRACTORS.

AND SO WE CHANGED.

AND JEN AND DAVID HAVE DONE, I THINK, A GREAT JOB OF STAYING ON TOP OF THOSE.

BUT THE REALITY IS THERE'S MORE LITTER THAN THEY'RE GOING TO PICK UP FROM THOSE CONTRACTS. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO BRING YOU THESE SOLUTIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. I WOULD TELL YOU THAT WE'VE TRIED TO GIVE YOU OUR BEST RECOMMENDATION ON ALL THE DIFFERENT TIERS, BUT YOU CAN TAKE SOME OF IT.

NONE OF IT OR ALL OF IT.

AND SO IF YOU WANTED TO DO JUST ONE OF THE TIERS OR TWO OF THE TIERS, OR IF YOU WANTED TO CHANGE THE FREQUENCY, THOSE ARE WITHIN YOUR ABILITY TO AWARD THAT.

SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE A DIFFERENT [INAUDIBLE], THE TIER ONE ROADWAYS, YOU COULD DO THAT. YOU COULD THEN LOOK AT THAT AND DECIDE IF YOU WANTED TO DO MORE IN THE FUTURE.

THOSE ARE OPTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS IN FRONT OF YOU.

BUT AS JEN SAID, WE DO GET COMPLAINTS FROM FOLKS ABOUT DIFFERENT MATTERS AROUND THE CITY.

AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT INTO COUNCIL MEMBER PAYNE POINT, WE WILL BE WORKING WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT ON PRIVATE PROPERTIES.

THEY DO HAVE SOME ISSUES THERE IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL, AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET THOSE ADDRESSED IN ADDITION TO THIS.

BUT THIS IS OUR PROPERTY THAT WE WANT TO TAKE CARE OF.

WELL, MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS LISTENING.

I'VE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THIS.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS JUMPED OUT TO ME AND I JUST REALLY WANTED TO DIG INTO IT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE DOTTING OUR I'S AND CROSSING OUR T'S AND MAKING SURE THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO THE MOST EXPENSIVE END.

I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS CONSIDERING THAT.

AND WITH THAT SAID, I MEAN, I'VE GIVEN A FEW OF MY IDEAS.

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I DON'T MEAN TO OPPOSE YOUR VIEWPOINT, BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT I THINK STAFF HAS DONE AN AWFUL LOT OF A DEEP DIVE INTO THIS AS WELL.

MY GENERAL OPINION IS TO GO AHEAD WITH WHAT THEY REQUEST AND GO FORWARD WITH IT.

I THINK THEY'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT LONG AND HARD AS WELL.

AND I THINK A STOPGAP SOLUTION OF HAVING SOME OF THIS SERVICE PERFORMED AND OTHERS TO TRY TO BE PICKED UP BY VOLUNTEER PEOPLE COORDINATED UNDER.

YEAH, I DON'T SEE THAT AS BEING AN IMPROVEMENT ON THIS.

SO I'M GOING TO BE IN FAVOR OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

I NOTICED IN ONE OF YOUR, YOU HAD A NUMBER FOR DOING IT IN HOUSE.

MM HMM. AND TYPICALLY ON A START UP LIKE THAT, IT NEVER COMES IN AT THAT NUMBER.

IT'S A LEARNING CURVE AND THE WHOLE THING.

IT'S A LOT OF MONEY, BUT I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO GO.

WE GOT ENOUGH ON HER PLATE AND NOW WE HAVE SOMEBODY HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS.

AND I REALLY WANT YOU TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO DO. THE MONEY'S NOT AN ISSUE WITH ME, IT'S THE QUALITY OF THE WORK.

ARE WE GETTING OUR MONEY'S WORTH? AND WE'VE BRYAN DID A GREAT JOB.

WE HAD SOME GUY THAT'S COMING UP THERE, COMING OUT OF WACO MOWING STUFF, TEARING STUFF UP AND LEAVING. SO WE GOT A GOOD HISTORY WITH THESE GUYS.

I'M SUPPORTING THIS TOO.

SO. I REALLY LIKED THE IDEA OF AND I THINK KEEP BURLESON BEAUTIFUL DID THIS YEARS AGO, BUT I THINK THE LITTER JUST BRINGING IT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE PUBLIC.

I AGREE THE CRAZY WIND THAT WE SEE NOW AND IT'S NOT.

I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE IT COULD JUST GOES ON AND ON.

WE'VE BECOME THE WINDY CITY SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE AND I'M SURE IT'S JUST BE ON LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, IT'S BEYOND THE CURRENT CONTRACTS IT'S BEYOND STAFF.

THERE'S JUST LITTER EVERYWHERE AND IT'S FROM NEIGHBORS.

IT'S FROM, YOU KNOW, I OPENED MY DOOR AND I DID MY BEST TO CHASE DOWN A RECEIPT THAT WAS FLYING OUT OF MY CAR AT THE TARGET PARKING LOT.

AND I WAS LIKE, NO, I'M CONTRIBUTING TO THE TRASH.

AND SO IT'S TRULY A DISADVANTAGE, THE WEATHER THAT WE'VE BEEN GIFTED WITH THIS WIND AND THINGS. BUT I LOVE THE IDEA OF DOING SOMETHING WITH KDB.

THEY DO A GREAT JOB OF ENCOURAGING THE TWO BIG LITTER EVENTS AND ORGANIZING THOSE, AND THEY HAVE ARTISTS THAT LIKE THE SHIRT ART THAT I'M SURE THAT THEY CAN WORK WITH DOING ANOTHER CAMPAIGN AND SEE WHAT KIND OF ARTISTRY AND THINGS EXIST IN THE COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE WITH IDEAS TO PROMOTE PICKING UP TRASH AND MAKING IT A THING.

AND WE DID IT, REALLY GOOD CAMPAIGN ON THE DOG LEASHING.

THERE'S IT'S JUST NEAT TO INVOLVE THE PUBLIC AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE, IT'S ALMOST LIKE HEIGHTENS THE AWARENESS LIKE, OH YEAH, I HAVE NOTICED THAT TRASH IS A BIG DEAL.

I THINK I'M GOING TO START PICKING A PIECE UP WHEN I GO SOMEWHERE.

SO SOMETIMES IT'S JUST PUTTING IT ON PEOPLE'S RADAR.

SO I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY FUN TO KICK TO THEM AND SEE WHERE THAT COULD GO.

AND I MEAN, I AGREE THAT SOME OF THIS I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED.

I WAS WONDERING MYSELF ABOUT SOME OF THE REDUNDANCY, LIKE IF THEY'RE THERE, IS IT NOT? I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO ALL THE PICKET, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING, AND IT KIND OF MIGHT BE A LITTLE LATE TO PLAY WITH SOME OF THESE, BUT, YOU KNOW, TWO TIMES PER WEEK, PLUS HOW MANY TIMES THEY'RE MOWING, LIKE FOR TIER ONE.

I DON'T. I MEAN, IS IT? I DON'T. I KNOW THIS IS ASKING A LOT OFF THE CUFF, BUT IS THE REJECTION ENOUGH TO TRY IT JUST ONE TIME A WEEK AND SEE IF THAT MAKES A BIG OF A BIG ENOUGH? MY OPINION IS WE CAN ALWAYS INCREASE IT IF WE DON'T SEE ENOUGH OF AN IMPACT.

BUT SOMETIMES TAKING THINGS AWAY ISN'T ALWAYS THE EASIEST.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WORTH KICKING AROUND, IF IT'S NOT EVEN THAT MUCH IN THE BIG SCHEME OF THINGS TO LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS, WE ABSOLUTELY CAN.

THE WAY THAT IT WAS PRESENTED, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS BASED OFF OF WE WANT TO MAKE A VISUAL IMPACT ON THE QUANTITY OF LITTER, ESPECIALLY ON THE TIER ONE, BUT TIER TWO AND TIER THREE IS ACTUALLY REALLY AN ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S A 30-DAY MOW.

AND SO WHEN TRASH ACCUMULATES IN THERE, THEY DON'T SEE IT UNTIL THEY'RE ALREADY MOWING OVER IT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE SOME CHEMICAL APPLICATIONS TO TRY TO SLOW DOWN THE GROWTH IN THOSE AREAS, SOME GROWTH INHIBITORS.

BUT THE CHALLENGE IS REALLY ONCE YOU GET OUT THERE, IF YOU'VE GONE 30 DAYS WITHOUT PICKING UP LITTER AND THEY'RE OUT THERE TRYING TO MOW THAT DAY, THEY SPEND THE WHOLE DAY PICKING UP TRASH. AND SO THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION.

HOWEVER, IF YOU IF IT'S COUNCIL'S PURVIEW TO CHANGE THAT TO HALF THE CYCLES THAT ARE

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IT'S WITHIN THE RFP SCOPE.

YEAH. I DON'T KNOW, JUST KICKING AROUND AN IDEA, BECAUSE IT SEEMS. BUT I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, ESPECIALLY IN THE SUMMER, I SEE HOW TALL THE GRASS IS, AND I'VE OFTEN THOUGHT LIKE THE MOWERS RUN OVER IT AND THEN THAT STYROFOAM CUP IS NOW INSTEAD OF ONE STYROFOAM EVERYWHERE.

AND IT'S I THINK ABOUT WHEN I'M DRIVING ON HIDDEN CREEK AND THE RAZOR FENCE HAS STUFF STUCK ALL IN IT.

SO I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S JUST A THOUGHT, JUST KIND OF BOUNCING OFF WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER PAYNE WAS SAYING, IN THAT WE CAN ALWAYS INCREASE IT IF WE DIDN'T SEE A SUBSTANTIAL BUT IF IT'S TRULY NOT WORTH THE SQUEEZE, IF IT WERE TRYING AND IT'S JUST A HUNDRED DOLLARS HERE OR THERE, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S WORTH MESSING WITH.

I DON'T KNOW. I THINK IT'S MORE TO YOUR POINT OF EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID IS LIKE, HOW WOULD WE KNOW IF ONE WOULD BE ENOUGH OR REDUCING THE CYCLES IS ENOUGH IF WE DON'T TRY THAT, IF WE GO RIGHT TO THE MAX WE'LL NEVER KNOW.

SO THAT'S WHERE I APPRECIATE YOU ACKNOWLEDGING THE WAY YOU SAID IT WAS ACTUALLY A GOOD WAY. AND GUYS, WE CAN ALWAYS INCREASE IT.

YEAH. AND FOR ME, AS I'M LOOKING, THIS IS TIER TWO AND TIER THREE THAT WE ONLY HAVE ON THE SLIDE NOW. THE TIER ONE IS GOING TO ADD ANOTHER FOUR HUNDRED AND SIXTY SIX ON TOP OF IT. SO IT'S BROKE UP BY THE THE CONTRACT THAT WE WOULD BE AWARDING.

SO THIS IS BRIGHT VIEW. THIS IS TIER TWO LITTER, TIER THREE EAST AND THEN WHO IS TIER ONE AND TIER THREE WEST.

SO WE'RE TALKING NINE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FOUR THOUSAND FOR.

OVER THE COURSE OF FIVE YEARS.

OVER THE COURSE OF FIVE YEARS.

AND THAT'S JUST I MEAN, IT'S WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, FOR ME PERSONALLY, THAT'S TOO MUCH MONEY. THAT'S TOO MUCH WHEN THEY'RE ALREADY OUT PICKING UP.

AND I'M LOOKING AT ASKING THE TAXPAYERS TO FUND 3.2 MILLION TO CLEAN AND MOW 260 ACRES.

IT'S A NUMBER THAT I DON'T THAT I DON'T LIKE.

BUT I MEAN, THAT'S Y'ALL'S CALL TOO.

I MADE COMMENTS ABOUT THIS BEFORE.

IN MY OPINION, I UNDERSTAND TO BE UPFRONT COST TO THE CITY, TO DO IT, BUT AFTER THE UPFRONT COST WAS ACHIEVED AND GONE.

I CAN'T IMAGINE IT NOT BEING WORTHWHILE FOR THE CITY TO LOOK INTO THIS, FOR US TO DO IT INSTEAD OF GOING OUT AND CONSTANTLY LOOKING UP AND OH YEAH, WE CAN DO IT, AND IT'LL ONLY COST YOU ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR.

I'M IN THE WRONG BUSINESS.

I SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN THE CAFÉ BUSINESS.

I SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE TRASH BUSINESS.

IT'S THAT IS A LOT OF MONEY.

IT'S A IT'S AN EXCEEDINGLY LARGE AMOUNT TO ME TOO.

I AGREE WITH THAT. SO I THINK WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT BY SIMPLY LOOKING IN.

I UNDERSTAND IT MIGHT BE HIGHER ON THE FRONT END TO DO THIS, BUT I SURE THINK IT'S WORTH LOOKING INTO.

AS FAR AS US DOING IT OURSELVES, PLUS I'D LIKE TO.

CAN WE GET OUT OF THESE CONTRACTS EACH YEAR? YES, SIR. OK.

I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND IT'S A LITTLE LATE FOR US TO BE JUMPING IN IT NOW, BUT I SURE WOULD LIKE TO LOOK INTO IT FOR NEXT YEAR.

AND THEN WE KNOW IT GETS DONE AND WE DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT AND GET THESE THESE FOLKS COMING IN AND SAYING, OK, YEAH, I CAN PICK UP YOUR TRASH FOR ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR. I CAN TOO.

I CAN TAKE TOO. NO, I'M REALLY I'M BEING SERIOUS.

CAREFUL. YOU MAY GET THE JOB.

I WILL AND I'LL TAKE IT.

I AGREE. ALSO, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD TO LOOK INTO IT AGAIN AND JUST SEE WHAT SEE WHAT THE PRICE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE.

IT'S JUST A HARD PILL TO SWALLOW.

NINE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR TRASH.

SO YEAH, I'M WITH YOU ON THAT.

I THINK WE OUGHT TO LOOK INTO THAT.

WELL, I UNDERSTAND THE HESITANCY AND WE CAN BRING YOU THE DETAILS ON OUR COST ESTIMATES AND MAYBE THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, IF THE COUNCIL IS INTERESTED IN MOVING FORWARD WITH A CONTRACT AND THEN YOU HAVE THAT ABILITY TO PULL OUT OF THAT CONTRACT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, WE CAN BRING YOU THOSE DETAILS AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS AND THE COUNCIL CAN MAKE THAT DECISION OR WE CAN TABLE THIS ITEM AND BRING IT BACK, WHATEVER YOUR PLEASURE IS ON IT.

I WILL SAY THESE ARE DIFFICULT JOBS.

IT'S DIFFICULT TO ATTRACT EMPLOYEES TO GET THEM TO DO THESE JOBS AND TO KEEP THOSE EMPLOYEES. I KNOW RONNIE'S WILLING, BUT THIS IS DIFFICULT.

THE MANAGEMENT OF THIS WORK IS IS MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE SOMETIMES.

SO IT IS A DIFFICULT TASK AND THAT'S WHY THESE CONTRACTORS ARE ABLE TO DO THIS KIND OF WORK SO WELL, SOMETHING FOR YOU TO THINK ABOUT AND WE CAN BRING THAT FORWARD TO YOU.

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I'M EXPECTING IN THE FUTURE.

SO YOU'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA ABOUT WHAT THE COST WILL BE TO JUST OBSERVATIONS.

ANYBODY ELSE? WELL, WHAT HAVE WE COME TO? HAVE WE? OK, SO LET ME ASK FOR CLARIFICATION BRYAN IF WE TABLE THIS AND ASKING FOR YOU TO REDUCE THE CYCLES AND COME BACK AND OR FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL RFP AND THE LITTER PART OF IT THAT'S INCLUDED IN THAT AND GET SOME CLARIFICATION.

THEN YOU WOULD BRING IT BACK TO US WITH A NEW PRICING AND THEN WE WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT VOTING ON THAT. I THINK WE CAN BRING YOU BACK AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING IF YOU WANTED TO TABLE THIS, WE COULD BRING YOU BACK A DEEP DIVE INTO HOW WE CALCULATED OUR IN-HOUSE COSTS. WE CAN BRING YOU THE MOWING CONTRACTS TO SHOW YOU ALL OF THOSE PIECES AND AND BRING YOU THAT INFORMATION IF YOU'D WANT TO SEE IT THAT WAY.

THAT'S ONE OPTION.

AND IF YOU WOULD PREFER TO VOTE ON THE CONTRACT AND IT'S BRINGING YOU THAT IN THE BUDGET PROCESS AND THEN CONSIDER MAKING A CHANGE, WE COULD DO THAT TOO.

IF WE DECIDED TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD, TO HAVE OUR OWN EMPLOYEES TO IT.

IT'S A PROCESS TO GET THERE.

IT WOULD BE MONTHS, OBVIOUSLY, BEFORE WE CAN MAKE A CHANGE LIKE THAT.

SO THOSE ARE JUST TWO OPTIONS AND DEPENDING ON WHERE THE COUNCIL WANTS TO LAND ON THAT.

OK, SO WE GO INTO THIS PROCESS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO THIS WORK? WHICH WORK? YES, WE HAVE ALL OF THE DATA.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SUPPLY THAT TO YOU.

IT'S A GIANT SPREADSHEET RIGHT NOW OF ALL THE COST ANALYSIS, BUT WE CAN CLEAN THAT UP AND GIVE THAT TO YOU GUYS SO THAT IT'S DIGESTIBLE AND YOU UNDERSTAND AND YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE NUMBERS AND YOU FEEL GREAT WITH WHICHEVER WAY YOU WANT TO RECOMMEND IT.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PHYSICAL LABOR OF GETTING THIS WORK DONE WHILE WE'RE WAITING ON FIGURING OUT IF WE WANT THE CONTRACT OR NOT.

SO IT'S KIND OF BUSINESS AS USUAL.

YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE THE SERVICE CURRENTLY.

SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE PICK UP LITTER AS PART OF OUR MOWING CONTRACT, WHICH IS WHY YOU STILL SEE AN ABUNDANCE OF LITTER BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF OUR CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE.

SO MAYOR, WE WOULD HAVE TO ADD STAFF IF THE COUNCIL WANTED TO PROCEED TO HAVE US DO IT IN-HOUSE, WHICH WOULD NEED TO BE IN THE BUDGET PROCESS THE COMING YEAR.

I THINK IF GIVEN THE COUNCIL'S HESITANCY ON THIS, I THINK MAYBE THE BEST THING IS IF YOU WANT TO TABLE IT, LET US BRING IT BACK.

WE COULD COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING AND PROVIDE THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

IF THAT'S THAT SOUNDS REASONABLE, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

BUT ALSO, I WASN'T BEING FACETIOUS.

THERE REALLY WASN'T. I WASN'T SUGGESTING THAT WE JUST SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN RIGHT NOW.

I UNDERSTAND YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

AND IF WE NEEDED TO GO AHEAD AND GO THE YEAR, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

BUT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO SEE US GET GAINED THE INFORMATION TO SEE WHETHER WE COULD DO THIS OR NOT, OR WHETHER WE WANTED TO DO IT OR NOT.

SO THAT WAS MY POINT.

BUT THESE ARE THIS IS A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT, SO WE WOULD NEED TO REDUCE IT TO A ONE YEAR SO WE COULD ANALYZE IT.

BUT SO IT'S FIVE YEARS, BUT IT'S OK.

IT'S YEAR OUT. IT'S FIVE YEARS, BUT YOU CAN GET OUT HERE IN A YEAR.

IS THAT CORRECT? YOU CAN GET OUT ANY DAY WITH A 30-DAY OPT OUT.

OK. NOT BECAUSE OF FAULTY WORK? NO, OK.

CAN I OK. MY CONCERN IS GOING TO BE APRIL.

WE'RE FIXING TO START MOWING AND EVERYTHING.

AND NOW WE'RE TRYING TO RUSH INTO A CONTRACT AND I'M OK DOING A YEAR BY YEAR TYPE THING.

YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T LIKE THEM AND WE'RE PREPARED NEXT YEAR, BUT WE'RE NOT PREPARED THIS YEAR, ARE WE? WE ARE NOT PREPARED YET.

NO, AND I DON'T WANT OUR STREETS LOOKING BAD, AND THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN.

SO IF WE TABLE THIS, CAN YOU COME BACK NEXT MONTH WITH A REDUCTION IN CYCLES AND A BREAKDOWN? PARDON.

I DON'T KNOW, NEXT MEETING IS THAT OK? A BREAKDOWN IN CYCLE [INAUDIBLE] THE CYCLES.

AND GIVE US PRICING ON THAT.

YEAH, WE CAN CERTAINLY COME BACK THE NEXT MEETING WITH SOME OPTIONS FOR YOU, IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO THAT. BUT I THINK JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR FOR EVERYONE, WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT AN IN-HOUSE PROGRAM THAT'S IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.

WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR THAT. I WANT TO BE CLEAR ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR THAT.

OKAY, WHY ARE WE TABLING IT THEN? LET ME SAY SOMETHING ELSE.

I HAPPEN TO BE ONE OF THOSE MUCH MALIGNED CONTRACTORS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HERE.

NO, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT CONTRACTORS IN A HOLE.

JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST ME AND I CAN SAY THIS.

THERE ARE VERY FEW FUNCTIONS THAT THE PRIVATE INDUSTRY CANNOT PERFORM MORE EFFICIENTLY FOR LESS COST THAN A CITY CAN, SIMPLY BECAUSE THE PROFIT MOTIVE MAKES IT HAPPEN.

AND WHEN IT'S A COMPETITIVE THING, THE COSTS ARE GOING TO BE LOWER BECAUSE COMPETITION IS DRIVEN PRICES DOWN AS LOW AS THEY CAN GET.

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THEIR BENEFITS ARE NOT AS GOOD AS PUBLIC EMPLOYEES BENEFITS.

THESE ADD UP TO COST SAVINGS.

I'M GOING TO LOOK VERY, VERY, VERY ASKANCE AT ANY SUGGESTION THAT WE TRY TO TAKE ON LITTER REMOVAL FOR THE SAME REASONS BACK IN 2008 THAT I'VE LOOKED VERY HARD AT FARMING OUT OUR TRASH PICKUP SERVICE, WHICH WE USED TO DO OURSELVES IN HOUSE AND PRIVATIZED AND SAVED MONEY AND STILL ARE SAVING MONEY FOR LOW THESE MANY YEARS THAT THAT WE DID BY GETTING A CONTRACTOR TO JUST PICK UP OUR GARBAGE AT THE CURB.

SO BE WARNED I WILL FIGHT LONG AND HARD AGAINST THE IDEA OF THIS BECOMING A STAFF FUNCTION. I REMEMBER THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND I YOU AND I HAVE EVEN TALKED ABOUT THAT HOW DIFFERENT IT WAS. IT WAS LIKE NIGHT AND DAY.

WE COULDN'T KEEP EMPLOYEES.

OH, IT'S A MESS. IT WAS A MESS.

IT'S A JOB NOBODY WANTS.

I DEFINITELY I JUST SEE I AM NOT WANTING TO TAKE THIS IN-HOUSE.

IT'S IT'S NOT ANYTHING WE SHOULDN'T CONTINUE, AS RONNIE SAID, TO LOOK OUT OVER THE YEAR AND SEE, IT DOESN'T HURT TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, BUT I WAS JUST THINKING WE CAN ALWAYS INCREASE SIMPLE OF LIKE JUST MAYBE LOOKING AT ONCE A WEEK.

IN ADDITION TO THE TWO TIMES WE'RE MOWING, DOES THAT MAKE A BIG ENOUGH IMPACT? IF NOT, WE CAN ALWAYS ADD TWO IS MY OPINION, BUT IT'S HARDER TO TAKE AWAY.

THAT WAS JUST MY ADDITION.

SO THAT'S WHY WE WOULD TABLE IT.

THEN BRYAN LET YOU COME BACK WITH IT.

WE CAN'T VOTE ON A LESSER CONTRACT AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.

IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. YEAH, IT'S BASED ON WHATEVER THE COUNCIL IS LOOKING TO DO HERE. I MEAN, I THINK IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK AND YOU WANT SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THE NUMBERS, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO TABLE IT AND BRING THAT BACK TO YOU IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO. AND THEN YOU COULD MAKE THAT DECISION AT THAT TIME.

BUT YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS WITH THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACT.

SO IF YOU DON'T AWARD THIS CONTRACT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO OUT WITH ANOTHER RFP.

ARE YOU NOT? NOT NECESSARILY.

THE WAY THAT THIS RFP WAS WRITTEN, IT ALLOWED US THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACCEPT PARTIAL BIDS TO DIVIDE THEM SEPARATE DIRECTIONS TO CANCEL AT ANY TIME TO COMBINE, WHICH IS WHY YOU SEE, LIKE TIER ONE AND TIER THREE WEST, THOSE WERE INDIVIDUAL BID ITEMS AND THEY'RE BEING AWARDED TO ONE CONTRACTOR AND THEN OTHER TIERS ARE BEING AWARDED TO A SEPARATE ONE.

OK, THEN I WON'T.

I WON'T BE OPPOSED TO TAKING ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT.

MS. CITY MANAGER IS THIS A MOTION THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE TO TABLE? CITY MANAGER CITY SECRETARY, I'M SORRY YOU ARE NOW A CITY MANAGER.

SORRY.

MOVE BRYAN, YOU'RE IN MY SEAT.

SWITCH SPOTS. OKAY, SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION FOR MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE AND PEOPLE WATCHING I NEED I AM.

I DID NOT CALL FORWARD ITEM 6E AT THE SAME TIME, I DID NOT KNOW THAT THIS WAS ONE PRESENTATION. SO IF YOU'LL JUST ALLOW ME TO DO THAT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW EVERYBODY THINKS WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT [INAUDIBLE] LAWN.

SO 6E IS ALSO WHAT THE PRESENTATION WAS JUST OVER.

AND THAT'S CONSIDERATION OF A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT WITH BRIGHT VIEW LANDSCAPING SERVICES INC FOR TIER TWO AND TIER THREE EAST LITTER SERVICES IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED FOUR HUNDRED AND SIXTY SIX THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED NINETY SIX DOLLARS AND FORTY FIVE CENTS.

SO IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, THERE WOULD BE TWO MOTIONS ON 6D AND ON 6E.

YOU WOULD TABLE 6D AND YOU WOULD TABLE 6E.

YOU WOULD APPROVE 6D AND APPROVE 6E.

SO THE TWO VENDORS ARE SEPARATE CONTRACTS, SO YOU'LL HAVE TO ACT ON [INAUDIBLE] AND YOU HAVE TO ACT ON BRIGHT VIEW.

AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION FOR STAFF.

I THINK WHAT THE COUNCIL IS ASKING FOR IS SOME OPTIONS ON DIFFERENT CYCLES WHERE WE COULD WE COULD BRING THAT FORWARD TO YOU, AS WELL AS SOME ADDITIONAL DETAILS ON IN-HOUSE COSTS AND HOW WE CALCULATED THOSE SAVINGS ON THAT AS WELL AS THE MOWING CONTRACT.

IS THAT CORRECT OR IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'D WANT TO SEE? WE CAN BRING THAT BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING.

THAT RFP [INAUDIBLE].

AND WHAT'S CONTAINED IN THE RFP ON THE MOWING AND WHAT THEY MEAN BY THE WORD LITTER AND WHAT THAT COST IS.

IS THERE EMOTIONAL 6D? I MOVE TO TABLE THIS ITEM.

I SECOND. I HAVE TO MAKE, WAIT JUST A MINUTE.

IT'LL COME UP. JAMES.

I HAVE A MOTION ABOUT TAMARA AND A SECOND BY JIMMY.

PLEASE VOTE. PASSES UNANIMOUS.

I HAVE A MOTION ON 6D.

I MOVE TO TABLE ITEM 6E.

SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY TAMARA AND A SECOND BY JIMMY.

PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUS.

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CHIEF CORDELL.

ALL RIGHT. MAYOR, AT THIS TIME, CAN YOU TAKE A QUICK FIVE MINUTE RECESS? YEAH, I THINK WE MIGHT AS WELL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A RECESS.

THANK YOU. LET THEM DO THAT.

YES, IF YOU'LL SAY SO.

[A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff guidance regarding city ordinance Chapter 78, Traffic and Vehicles, Article II, as it pertains to parking. (Staff Presenter: Billy J. Cordell, Chief of Police)]

YOU KNOW, I NOTICED, BY THE WAY, CHIEF CORDELL BURLESON PD, I NOTICED WHEN [INAUDIBLE] CAME UP AND SPOKE, HE HAD AN ENTOURAGE OF FRIENDS THAT CAME UP WITH HIM AND MARTIN HAD A WHOLE ENTOURAGE. BUT JEN CAME UP TALKING ABOUT TRASH.

I'M TALKING ABOUT PARKING AND WE HAVE NO FRIENDS.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I AM HERE TO SPEAK ON CITY ORDINANCE CHAPTER SEVENTY EIGHT, ARTICLE TWO TRAFFIC AND VEHICLES PARKING.

AS YOU MAY RECALL, PHILIP SANDERS CAME BEFORE A COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER THE 8TH, ASKING YOU TO RECONSIDER CHANGING THE TIME ALLOCATED TO PARK A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE FROM THE CURRENT TWENTY FOUR HOURS BACK TO SEVENTY TWO HOURS.

I NOTE THAT MR. SANDERS IS HERE IN THE CHAMBERS WITH US.

HE HADN'T SIGNED A SPEAKER CARD TO SPEAK, BUT HE IS AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HIM. STAFF WAS REQUESTED BY COUNSEL TO BRING FORWARD A PRESENTATION ASSOCIATED WITH THE CITY'S RV PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND PROVIDE OPTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION.

I'M GOING TO FOCUS ON RVS AND THE PRESENTATION, BUT WHILE WE HAD THAT CHAPTER OPEN, THERE ARE SOME OTHER ISSUES THAT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT AND TRY TO CLEAN UP SOME THINGS AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS ONE.

A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON THE ORDINANCE.

IT WAS ESTABLISHED IN JUNE '62, AMENDED IN 1968.

NO UNINTENDED PARKING LONGER THAN 24 HOURS, AMENDED AGAIN IN 2008 TO RESTRICT THE RV PARKING ON RESIDENTIAL STREETS TO ADD THE LANGUAGE FOR THE PURPOSE OF [INAUDIBLE], LOADING OR UNLOADING.

HOWEVER, IT DOES NOT DEFINE WHAT [INAUDIBLE] MEANS.

CALLS FOR SERVICE TO GIVE YOU THE BACKGROUND ON THAT FOR RVS IN 2020 WAS 13 AND IN 2021 WE HAD 21 FOR A TOTAL OF 34.

AND I NOTE TO YOU THAT WE SUSPENDED THE RV ORDINANCE PERTAINING IN 2020 BECAUSE MANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT WORKED IN MEDICAL FIELDS WERE USING THEIR RVS TO SEPARATE DURING COVID FROM THEIR FAMILIES.

IN ADDITION, WE ENTERED A TOTAL OF THREE HUNDRED AND NINETY FIVE PARKING CALLS IN 2020 AND THREE HUNDRED AND SIXTY SEVEN IN 2021.

I DO NOT HAVE A BREAKDOWN ON THOSE PARTICULAR TYPES OF CALLS THAT WE HAVE.

STAFF REVIEWED ALL OF THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN SEVENTY EIGHT AND IDENTIFIED PORTIONS OF THE EXISTING CODE THAT ARE AMBIGUOUS THAT MAY BE DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE AND MAY HAVE NO LONGER SERVE THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE CITY AND ITS RESIDENTS.

IN PARTICULAR, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE RUN INTO RESTRICTIONS FOR ON THE STREET PARKING PASSENGER VEHICLES, THIS IS GOING TO BE THE TWENTY FOUR HOUR MAXIMUM LIMIT.

I'LL TALK ON A SUBSEQUENT SLIDE THE VAGUE DEFINITIONS BLOCKING OUR SIDEWALKS, STORING MOTOR VEHICLE RESTRICTIONS, TOWING VEHICLES AND THEN I WOULD REMIND YOU THAT THERE ARE STATE LAWS THAT COVER A LOT OF THIS, AND SOME OF THEM OVERLAP WITH THE CITY ORDINANCES.

THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF THE RECREATIONAL VEHICLE.

IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT IS AT ISSUE HERE.

I JUST REALLY WANTED YOU TO HAVE IT AS A POINT OF REFERENCE IN CASE YOU NEEDED TO LOOK AT THAT. ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE GOING TO START WITH SEVENTY EIGHT, FORTY TWO.

YOU'VE GOT B ONE AND TWO.

IT DEFINES A MAXIMUM PARKING TIME FOR CARS AND MOTORCYCLES AS TWENTY FOUR HOURS AND B1 THAT'S ANY PASSENGER, CAR OR MOTOR MOTORCYCLE THAT'S UNATTENDED FOR A CONTINUOUS PERIOD OF TIME LONGER THAN TWENTY FOUR HOURS.

MANY OF OUR HOUSEHOLDS HAVE MORE CARS THAN WILL FIT IN A DRIVEWAY, OR THEY MAY HAVE RELATIVES THAT COME IN FOR THE WEEKEND AND THE NO PLACE TO PARK BUT IN THE STREET, I'VE RECEIVED FEEDBACK FROM A RESIDENT THAT LIVES ON [INAUDIBLE], THOUGH, THAT HE PREFERS THE ORDINANCE TO BE EVEN MORE RESTRICTIVE.

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RECREATIONAL VEHICLES FALL UNDER B2 OF THE CODE THAT USES [INAUDIBLE] LOADING AND UNLOADING, AS I SAID, BUT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY TWENTY FOUR HOURS.

FOR US, THE LANGUAGE IS VERY VAGUE.

SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE WOULD ADD SPECIFIC TIME FRAME AND REMOVE WHAT THE VAGUE LANGUAGE HAS IN THE ORDINANCE.

AS THE PICTURE SHOW BLOCKING SIDEWALKS IS ANOTHER ISSUE THAT WE RECEIVE FREQUENT CALLS ON. IT'S COVERED UNDER BOTH STATE AND THIS ORDINANCE, SO NEED A CLARIFICATION ON THAT.

I RAISED THE ISSUE IN LIGHT OF THE CONVERSATION ON THE TWENTY FOUR HOUR TIME FRAME FOR STREET PARKING. WHILE I HAVE NO DATA TO SUPPORT THIS, I WONDER IF THAT DOES HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON BLOCKING SIDEWALKS FROM PEOPLE MOVING THEIR CARS FROM OUT IN THE STREET, UP INTO THE INTO THE DRIVEWAYS.

AND IF THEY DOUBLE STACK THEIR VEHICLES, AS WE SEE IN THESE PICTURES, THEY'RE NOW BLOCKING THE SIDEWALK.

AND I'M GOING TO PUT A PERSONAL EDITORIAL HERE THAT I WOULD MUCH RATHER THAN BE PARKED IN THE STREET THAN PARKING AND BLOCKING A SIDEWALK SO THAT OUR PEDESTRIANS HAVE TO GO OUT INTO THE STREET. THIS IS ANOTHER SECTION WITHIN THERE WITHOUT READING IT TO YOU.

IT JUST BASICALLY SAYS YOU CAN'T PARK A VEHICLE WITH AN EXPIRED LICENSE PLATE OR REGISTRATION IN THE STREET SO THAT THAT BECOMES A VIOLATION.

I ASSUME THAT THE INTENT MAY HAVE BEEN TO PROHIBIT STORING VEHICLES ON THE STREET OR JUNK VEHICLES ON THE STREET. MY OPINION IS THAT WE CAN ENFORCE EXPIRED STICKERS AS DRIVING VIOLATIONS WHEN THEY'RE OUT ON THE STREET AS OPPOSED TO PARKING VIOLATIONS.

SO I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT WE ELIMINATE THIS SECTION.

BUT I WILL ARTICULATE THAT WE ARE ABLE WHEN LOOKING AT STORING ON THE NEXT SLIDE, THERE IS AN ABILITY TO COMBINE SOME OF THESE THINGS TOGETHER TO WHAT I THINK GIVES US A BETTER DEFINITION OF WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO.

SO UNDER SECTION SEVENTY EIGHT FORTY SIX DEFINITION OF STORING JUST SIMPLY SAYS PARKED AT OR NEAR THE SAME PLACE FOR FIVE DAYS.

THE INTENT, I AGAIN BELIEVE THIS IS TO ADDRESS OUR LONG TERM PARKING ON THE STREET, BUT THE [INAUDIBLE] NEAR THE LOCATION IS VERY VAGUE FOR US.

YOU CAN MOVE THAT THING TWO INCHES AND IT'S AT OR NEAR, YOU CAN MOVE IT DOWN THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT AND IT'S STILL AT OR NEAR IN SOME PEOPLE'S OPINION.

SO WHAT WE WHAT WE RUN INTO IN THE PD IS THAT WE OFTEN FIND OURSELVES RESPONDING TO AND GETTING INTO A CAT AND MOUSE GAME WHERE WE'VE MOVED A LITTLE BIT.

WE'VE CROSSED THE STREET ON IT AND THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T NECESSARILY REFLECT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.

FURTHERMORE, THIS SECTION IS IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH THE MAXIMUM PARKING TIME OF 24 HOURS THAT I DISCUSSED ON SLIDE FIVE.

SO IF YOU CAN'T PARK IT FOR TWENTY FOUR HOURS, YOU CAN'T PARK IT FOR FIVE DAYS IN THAT.

SO I RECOMMEND THAT WE COMBINE THE EXPIRED REGISTRATION FROM THE PREVIOUS LIGHT IN COMBINATION WITH OTHER FACTORS SUCH AS THE VEHICLE IS IN DISREPAIR, HAS DEFLATED TIRES OR OTHER INDICATORS THAT THE VEHICLE IS INOPERABLE.

I BELIEVE THE COMBINATION OF AN EXPIRED STICKER WITH A FACTOR THAT MAKES THE VEHICLE INOPERABLE BETTER ARTICULATES THAT THE VEHICLE IS BEING STORED ON OUR STREETS.

AND IF WE CONSIDER THAT LANGUAGE AND THAT CHANGE, THEN PERHAPS YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER CHANGING THE VERBIAGE TO SAY THAT AFTER A VEHICLE HAS BEEN TAGGED FOR A MINIMUM OF 48 HOURS OR SOME OTHER TIME FRAME THAT WE COULD EFFECTUATE A TOW ON THAT AT THAT POINT.

WHICH BRINGS ME TO THE TOWING SLIDE HERE AND INTO THIS SLIDE, THE TOP SECTION ON THERE AUTHORIZES THE CHIEF OF POLICE OR DESIGNEE TO BE ABLE TO ISSUE THE PARKING CITATIONS.

NO ISSUES WITH THAT.

HOWEVER, THE SECOND PARAGRAPH AUTHORIZES US TO EFFECTUATE A TOW OR REMOVAL OF A VEHICLE THAT HAS BEEN SIGHTED.

THE MAY VERBIAGE ALLOWS US TO TOW UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES WITHIN THIS ORDINANCE.

SO TECHNICALLY, IF IT'S BEEN THERE FOR TWENTY FOUR HOURS, WE COULD TOW THAT VEHICLE AFTER WE SIGHT IT. AND I BELIEVE WE CAN BETTER ARTICULATE THAT LANGUAGE TO DEFINE WHEN WE WOULD WANT TO EFFECTUATE A TOW, BECAUSE THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT COST THAT GOES OUT TO OUR CITIZENS WHEN WE DO THAT. WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO RANDOMLY WRITE A TICKET AND EFFECTUATE A TOW IN EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE.

THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAT ARE OFFICERS WILL CONSIDER WHEN THEY ARE RESPONDING TO THESE CALLS AND LOOKING AT PARKING VIOLATIONS AS THEY EVALUATE THE SITUATION SPECIFICALLY REGARDING THE SAFETY OF THOSE DRIVING OR WALKING IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT FIRST SLIDE HAD A RV THAT WAS PARKED KIND OF ON A CURVE, AND IF YOU'RE APPROACHING THAT, YOU KNOW, A CHILD COMING OUT OF A DRIVEWAY ON A BICYCLE OR SOMETHING MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE DANGEROUS.

THE MINIMUM CLEARANCE FOR FREE MOVEMENT OF TRAFFIC SO THAT THE WIDTH OF A STREET AND THE SIZE OF THE RV ARE FACTORS.

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AND WHILE SOME STREETS ARE WIDER THAN OTHERS ON A NARROW STREET, THAT BECOMES A REAL ISSUE. WE LOOK AT THE PROXIMITY OF PARKED VEHICLES TO INTERSECTIONS, RAILROADS, CROSSWALKS, OTHER THINGS THAT ARE DEFINED IN STATE LAW.

AND FINALLY, WE WOULD CONSIDER ANY HAZARDOUS DRIVING CONDITION CREATED BY A LARGE VEHICLE OR TRAILER. IT'S PARKED ON A CURVE LIKE I SAID, THAT OBSCURES YOUR LINE OF SIGHT TOWARD AN INTERSECTION, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, THE MAXIMUM TIME TO PARK PASSENGER, CAR OR MOTORCYCLE TWENTY FOUR HOURS DRAFT RECOMMENDATION IS TO ELIMINATE THAT SECTION ALTOGETHER. RV PARKING ON RESIDENTIAL STREET EXPEDITIOUSLY LOADING OR UNLOADING.

[INAUDIBLE] ON PROPERTY.

WE ELIMINATE THE VAGUE LANGUAGE AND ADD A SPECIFIC TIME FRAME TO THAT WHETHER YOU WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THE TWENTY FOUR HOURS MOVE TO FORTY-EIGHT HOURS, SEVENTY TWO HOURS OR SOME OTHER TIME FRAME THAT WE DO.

SO THE OPTIONS ON, THOSE ARE TO REVISE THE ORDINANCE PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, REVISE FOR COUNCIL DIRECTION OR TAKE NO ACTION AT ALL.

NEXT ON THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, THE EFFECTUATED TOW.

REALLY, WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS JUST TO CLARIFY THE LANGUAGE.

GIVE IT A BETTER DEFINITION SO THAT OFFICERS GET OUT THERE.

THEY CAN HAVE BETTER DEFINED ORDINANCE STORING MOTOR VEHICLES ON A PUBLIC STREET STAFF RECOMMENDATION. WE SHORTEN THE TIME FRAME FROM FIVE DAYS TO FORTY-EIGHT HOURS.

ELIMINATE SECTION E THAT PROHIBITS PARKING A VEHICLE ON THE STREET WITH EXPIRED LICENSE PLATE OR INSPECTION, AND COMBINE THE EXPIRED LICENSE PLATE INSPECTION WITH A FACTOR THAT MAKES THE VEHICLE INOPERABLE, AS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.

SO AGAIN, REVISE THE ORDINANCE FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION, REVISE IT PER COUNCIL DIRECTION, OR TAKE NO ACTION AT ALL.

WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO CONCLUDE THAT EXCITEMENT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

I DID THANK YOU.

I'M SORRY, COUNSEL, DID YOU WANT THE SPEAKER CARD BEFORE YOU MOVE ON TO GENERAL DISCUSSION? THAT MIGHT JUST BE SO YOU HAVE YOU HAVE A SPEAKER CARD.

THE BULK OF THE SPEAKER CARD IN FRONT OF YOU AS A HANDOUT BECAUSE THIS IS BY FRED MCKINLEY. AND HE WRITES, I HAVE BEEN INVITED TO ATTEND AND TO SPEAK IF I DESIRE REFERENCE THE CITY OR THE REVISION OF THE CITY ORDINANCE PERTAINING TO POLICE ENFORCEMENT OF PARKING OF UNATTENDED VEHICLES ON A STREET FOR LONGER THAN TWENTY FOUR HOURS.

CHIEF CORDELL INDICATED THAT THIS ORDINANCE DISCUSSION IS ON THE AGENDA.

SO MR. MCKINLEY SENT IN A FOLLOW UP LETTER AND I WILL READ THIS SUMMARY AT THE END HERE.

IN SUMMARY, AND HE SAYS WE, AS IN HIMSELF AND HIS WIFE, PROPOSE THAT THE CITY ORDINANCE CHAPTER SEVENTY EIGHT BE MADE STRONGER BY ADDING AFTER THE ISSUANCE OF ONE WARNING, THE PENALTY OF REMOVAL BY TOWING IS IMPOSED.

I'M SURE THAT OUR SITUATION IS REPEATED NUMEROUS TIMES DAILY THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AND THIS MUST BE FRUSTRATING FOR CHIEF CORDELL AND HIS ENTIRE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

BUT IF THIS REQUIREMENT IS REMOVED COMPLETELY FROM THE ORDINANCE, OUR NEIGHBOR WILL HAVE A GREEN LIGHT TO PARK AS MANY VEHICLES IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE FOR AS LONG AS HE DESIRES.

AND BELIEVE ME, HE WILL.

AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, DONNIE AND I WON'T BE ABLE TO PROVIDE OUR OWN VISITORS, SUCH AS LAWN MAINTENANCE CREW, VARIOUS WORKMAN'S RELATIVES AND FRIENDS SPACE TO PARK WHEN NEED BE. PLEASE HELP US TO STOP THESE BULLIES AND HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.

BE BUT AT THE VERY LEAST, KEEP THE PROVISION INTACT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION AND CONSIDERATION.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL HAS A FOLLOW UP TO THAT.

I'VE HAD MANY EMAIL CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. MCKINLEY, AND HIS PLIGHT IS THAT THE ACROSS THE STREET NEIGHBOR CONTINUALLY PARKS THEIR CAR IN FRONT OF HIS HOME, AND HE'S UPSET ABOUT THAT.

BECAUSE HE HAS MULTIPLE VEHICLES.

THE NEIGHBOR HAS SO MANY VEHICLES BECAUSE THEY HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE HOUSE.

WE DON'T. RIGHT. WE HAVE WE HAVE PICTURES THAT MR. MCKINLEY HAS SENT WHERE IT'S JUST HIS VEHICLE THAT'S PARKED IN FRONT OF MR. MCKINLEY'S HOME.

YOU DON'T SEE ANY VEHICLES PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY ACROSS THE, WHEN WE HAVE SPOKEN TO THE NEIGHBOR ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, HE HAS INDICATED TO US THAT HE HAS FAMILY THAT COMES IN.

THEY PARK IN THE DRIVEWAY OR IN THE STREET, AND THAT'S WHY HE'S HAVING TO PARK HIS VEHICLE ACROSS THE STREET. OK, SO I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS, I WAS CONTACTED BY SOMEONE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO REGARDING A SEMI THAT WAS PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY, SO I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT TIES INTO THIS.

I THINK IT'S THE FIRST WHERE IT TALKS TO THE 20 FEET IN LENGTH, AND I BELIEVE IT MIGHT BE LIKE THE FIRST PART OF A TRUCK, YOU KNOW, AND THAT FALLS IN THIS ORDINANCE TO CORRECT?

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TYPICALLY, HOW IT'S DIVIDED OUT, IF THEY'RE PARKED IN THE STREET, THEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT RESPONDS TO IT.

IF THEY ARE PARKED UP IN THE YARD, THEN NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES WILL RESPOND TO IT.

BUT WE WORK CLOSELY TOGETHER.

I KNOW THE CALL THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE MR. [INAUDIBLE] SENT IT TO US.

WE SENT AN OFFICER OUT THERE AND ASK THEM TO REMOVE THAT VEHICLE, AND THAT'S HOW WE WORK TOGETHER ON THIS. [INAUDIBLE] YOU ASK THEM TO MOVE AND THEN IF THEY DON'T, THEN THERE IS A CITATION. SO I KIND OF UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE OF CITATION.

OK. I WOULD THINK MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE GO OUT AND THEY'RE IN VIOLATION, THEY WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ACCOMMODATE.

LET'S HOPE. ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I WAS ASKED IS PARKING ON THE GRASS? SO YOU HAVE A NEIGHBOR THAT CONSISTENTLY PARKS ON THE GRASS OVERNIGHT OR IN THE EVENING THROUGH THE MORNING TIME? HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THAT? NEIGHBORS YEAH, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES USUALLY WOULD GO OUT AND HANDLE THAT NOW.

AND A LOT OF TIMES WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GAIN COMPLIANCE.

WE DON'T JUST GO OUT WITH A HEAVY HAND AND ISSUE CITATIONS.

THE GOAL IS TO EDUCATE AND THEN GAIN COMPLIANCE AND THAT IF WE EVER REPEAT OFFENDERS, THEN THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD GO TO CITATIONS ON THAT.

SO TYPICALLY WE GET ONE IN LIKE THAT.

I EMAILED LISA [INAUDIBLE] RECENTLY ON THAT AND AND THEY SAID THEY'RE GOING TO HANDLE IT.

SO THAT'S HOW WE WORK TOGETHER ON THAT.

IF IT'S INSIDE OUT, INSIDE THE PROPERTY LINE.

THEN WE USUALLY HAVE THEM HANDLE IT IN THEIR SEARCH FOR A REASON.

THEY NEED ASSIST FROM US ON THE STREET WE HANDLE.

SO THE TOWING IS QUESTIONABLE, RIGHT? WE DON'T. WE'D HAVE TO OUTSOURCE THAT TO A THIRD PARTY.

RIGHT? WE WOULD HAVE TO THEN WHERE.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE STREET, WE WOULD JUST CALL A RECORD.

YEAH, YOU JUST CALL A SERVICE AND THEY WOULD AND THEN THEY PAY THE FEE TO GET IT BACK OUT. IS THAT HOW IT GOES? THAT IS HOW IT GOES, AND THAT CAN GET EXPENSIVE.

YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE TWENTY FOUR HOUR.

I MEAN, I PERSONALLY DO NOT WANT OUR OFFICERS GOING OUT, VEHICLES BEEN THERE FOR TWENTY FIVE HOURS AND TOWING IT.

CHARGING A CITIZEN THREE HUNDRED DOLLARS AFTER WE ISSUE THEM A CITATION, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S THAT'S WHERE IT GETS IN.

YOU TRY TO BE REASONABLE, BUT AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE WE NEED COUNCIL'S DIRECTION ARE WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT OR WE'RE GOING TO ELIMINATE THAT AND TRY TO HANDLE IT IN OTHER WAYS.

WE IN THE CASE OF MR. MCKINLEY, WE SENT OUR [INAUDIBLE] OUT THERE AND TRIED TO GAIN COMPLIANCE THE FIRST TIME IT WORKED. AFTER THAT, I THINK THERE'S SOME OTHER REASONS WHY IT DIDN'T.

BUT YEAH, OK, THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME. I I WANTED TO ASK A COUPLE OF THINGS.

LET ME GET CLEAR WHAT YOU WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING DOING IS JUST ELIMINATING THE TWENTY-FOUR HOUR CLAUSE.

IS IT JUST NO TIME LIMIT THAT ANYBODY CAN PARK AS LONG AS THEY'RE LEGALLY PARKED? IF THEY'RE LEGALLY PARKED, YES.

BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, AND I TALKED TO OUR EVENING SHIFT OFFICERS AND SAID, WHAT'S YOUR OPINION? WHAT ARE YOU SEEING OUT THERE? AND THEY WERE OF THE OPINION OF, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO PUT THAT IN THERE AT ALL. IF IT'S AN OPERABLE VEHICLE, IT IS NOT NECESSARILY BEING STORED ON THE STREET.

IT'S GOT, YOU KNOW, THE INSPECTION STICKERS AND EVERYTHING THAT COMPLIES.

THEN WHY ARE WE GOING IN AND DEALING WITH THAT? I KNOW, AND I THINK IN THE I REMEMBER, THERE'S AN EMAIL OR THE OR THE LETTER THAT THAT AMANDA READ. BUT MR. MCKINLEY SAYS THAT THAT HE COMPLIES WITH THAT 24 HOURS OR SO.

YOU KNOW, HE GOES OUT THERE AND MOVES IT.

SO HE'S AWARE OF IT, AND WE'VE MADE HIM AWARE OF THAT.

YOU GET SOME PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF KIDS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF HOUSEHOLDS THAT HAVE MULTIPLE CARS IN THEM AND THEY CAN'T PUT EVERYTHING IN THE DRIVEWAY WITHOUT BLOCKING THE SIDEWALKS. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT GETS TOUGH FOR ME.

YOU COME HOME ON A FRIDAY, YOU PARK YOUR CAR OUT ON THE STREET AND YOU DON'T GO BACK TO WORK TIL MONDAY. SHOULD WE ISSUE TWO CITATIONS ON THAT? I GUESS WHERE I'M THINKING OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS HERE.

I RECALL. LET'S BREAK IT DOWN INTO TWO POSSIBLE CASES.

LET'S HAVE THE CASE WHERE IT'S A RESIDENTIAL STREET AND A CAR IS PARKED ON THE CURB IN FRONT OF THE OWNER'S HOME.

WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THAT'S NOT REALLY A PARKING PLACE, IT'S PART OF THE STREET.

SO CONSIDER THAT SITUATION THAT THERE ARE, LET'S SAY THERE ARE MULTIPLE DRIVERS IN THE FAMILY AND MAYBE A COUPLE OF TEENAGE KIDS PLUS MOM AND DAD.

THERE'S TWO PLACES IN THE DRIVEWAY AND THE GARAGE IS NOW CONVERTED INTO THEIR GAME ROOM.

SO WHAT ELSE ARE THEY GOING TO DO? ALL RIGHT. BUT ALSO, THERE ARE OTHER SITUATIONS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE DEPOT ON MAIN COMING IN AND ALL OF THE COMMERCIAL, ALL THE PUBLIC, SO-CALLED PARKING SPACES, WHICH ARE ACTUALLY PARKING SPACES, HOPING THAT THOSE WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC FOR PARKING, FOR EVENTS AND VARIOUS THINGS.

BUT RECOGNIZING THAT THE RESIDENTS OF THE DEPOT MAINE MAY HAVE MULTIPLE AUTOMOBILES ALSO SAY THE GUY'S GOT A CAR HE DRIVES TO WORK.

HE'S GOT A JEEP FOR THE WEEKEND, SO THE JEEP WINDS UP TAKING UP ONE OF THESE PUBLIC PARKING SPACES ALL THE TIME, WHICH I FIND TO BE AN ISSUE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PUBLIC SPACES.

SO WE'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS THERE, AND I DON'T I'M NOT SURE THIS IS THE KIND OF RULE WHERE ONE SIZE FITS ALL.

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I THINK THE ONLY ANNOYING SITUATION THAT HAPPENS IN A RESIDENTIAL STREET IS WHEN THERE'S JUST TOO MANY CARS PARKED ON THE STREET MAKES THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOK BAD.

BUT THE REALLY ANNOYING THING IS WHEN SOMEBODY ELSE PARKS THEIR CAR IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE NOW, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY THAT STREET ON STREET PARKING AT A RESIDENCE WOULD BE LIMITED TO THE OCCUPANTS OF THE HOME OR NOT.

BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE WE HAVE THAT POSSIBILITY.

MR. [INAUDIBLE] DOWN HERE SHAKING HIS HEAD, NO.

OUR PROBLEM IS GOING TO BE FIGURING OUT WHO THAT CAR BELONGS TO.

THEY MAY HAVE A RELATIVE DIFFERENT NAME THOSE THINGS AND TRYING TO KNOCK ON DOORS AND FIND OUT WHO OWNS THAT CAR.

IT MAKES IT TIME CONSUMING FOR US TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DIDN'T REREGISTER THAT CAR AND IT DOESN'T BLOW ON THAT STREET, YOU CAN'T FIND THEM.

I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I AGREE WITH MR. MCKINLEY. SOMEBODY'S PARKING THEIR CAR THAT LIVES IN ANOTHER AREA ACROSS FROM MY FRONT OF MY HOUSE BOTHERS ME, BUT I DON'T KNOW A BETTER WAY TO REGULATE THAT.

WELL, IT MAY BE A PRACTICAL CONSIDERATION, MAYBE BLOCKING YOUR MAILBOX, YOU KNOW, THE POST OFFICE TYPICALLY, IF YOU PARK YOUR CAR IN YOUR MAILBOX, YOU MAY NOT GET YOUR MAIL THAT DAY, [INAUDIBLE] GOING TO GET OUT OF THE CAR AND WALK OVER AND PUT IT IN THE BOX.

SO IF SOMEBODY ELSE'S CAR IS PARKED IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE AND THAT WAS THE DAY YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DELIVERED, YOU'RE GOING TO BE PRETTY DAMN MAD ABOUT IT, AND JUSTIFIABLY SO.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE ON THIS.

I LIKE TO HAVE SOME RESTRICTION ON.

THERE JUST ISN'T A PRACTICAL WAY, AS THE CHIEF HAS POINTED OUT, TO MAKE IT SPECIFIC TO OCCUPANTS OF THE HOUSE, YOU JUST LEGALLY CAN'T DO THAT.

IT'S ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

IT'S DENOMINATED, IT'S PUBLIC PARKING.

THE CHIEF IS CORRECT TRYING TO ASCERTAIN WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP OF THAT CAR IS TO THAT PROPERTY WOULD WOULD PULL OFFICERS OFF PATROL AND REALLY CREATE MORE DIFFICULTY THAN IT WOULD BENEFIT. NO DOUBT THAT IT WOULD, BUT IT'S UNLIKELY IN MY LINE OF REASONING THAT THE OWNER OF THE HOME WOULD COMPLAIN ABOUT HIS OWN DAMN CAR PARKED IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE.

HOWEVER, IF HE PARKS THE CAR ACROSS THE STREET, THEN THAT PERSON COMPLAINS.

IF WE TAKE THE TWENTY-FOUR HOUR RULE OUT AND DON'T HAVE A TIME LIMIT, THEN THAT DUDE, WHOEVER IT IS, IT PARKED HIS FOUR BY FOUR IN FRONT OF YOUR MAILBOX.

THERE'S NOTHING ANYBODY CAN DO ABOUT IT.

TO ME, THAT'S A PROBLEM.

SO I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE SITUATIONS WHERE A CAR STORED WHICH, AS I CONSIDER IT, STORED ON THE STREET IF IT'S PARKED THERE TWENTY FOUR HOURS A DAY, MORE THAN A DAY.

THERE NEEDS TO BE REMOVABLE.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO ENJOY THEIR OWN PROPERTY, AND THAT'S KIND OF HARD TO DO.

WHEN YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY F-450 SUPER DUTY PARKED OVER YOUR CURB AND BLOCKING YOUR MAILBOX . YOU NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING SOME ABILITY TO REMOVE THE CAR.

AND IF YOU TAKE AWAY THE TIME LIMIT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'LL BE.

MY CONCERN, MY CONCERN WITH THE 24 HOUR TIME LIMIT BEING IN THERE, CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY IT'D BE NICE IF PEOPLE ONLY CARED ABOUT THEIR OWN, THEIR OWN STUFF AND THEY WEREN'T PETTY.

THAT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL WORLD TO LIVE IN.

SADLY, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT WORLD EXISTS.

THERE'S NOTHING TO PREVENT SOMEBODY.

YOU'RE NEIGHBOR DOWN THE STREET WHO DOESN'T LIKE YOU SEES YOU GO OUT OF TOWN.

YOUR CAR IS PARKED IN FRONT OF YOUR OWN HOME AND [INAUDIBLE] CALLING ON YOU, AND YOU WIND UP COMING BACK HOME WITH FIVE OR SIX TICKETS TO GO ON YOUR WINDSHIELD, EVEN THOUGH IT'S PARKED IN FRONT OF YOUR OWN HOME.

NOTHING TO PREVENT THAT, AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULDN'T BE WRONG IN THAT.

I HAVE ISSUES WITH HOW OUR RESOURCES ARE ALLOCATED.

I MEAN, DO I REALLY WANT MY OFFICERS OUT THERE WORRYING ABOUT THE CAR AND GETTING INVOLVED IN THESE NEIGHBORHOOD DISPUTES? OR DO I WANT THEM OUT CATCHING BAD GUYS? AND THOSE THINGS TAKE TIME.

AND CERTAINLY IF THEY'RE DEDICATING THEIR TIME TO THESE NEIGHBORLY DISPUTES, THEN THEY'RE NOT OUT PATROLLING, THEY'RE NOT OUT CATCHING BAD GUYS ARE NOT OUT MAKING OUR CITY SAFE.

PARK YOUR CAR IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE AND YOU'RE A BAD GUY.

BUT IF I LIVED DOWN THE STREET, I DON'T LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU GOT PURPLE PANSIES OR SOMETHING. AND A CLASH WITH WHATEVER.

I'VE GOT GROWING AND I DECIDED TO BE A JERK AND CALL IN ON YOU EVERY TIME YOU LEAVE TOWN.

YEAH, SO SO THOSE ARE THE ISSUES I HAVE.

THE AS FAR AS THE EIGHTEEN WHEELERS STATE LAW ACTUALLY ALLOWS US, ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS PUT UP A SIGN AND WE PUT UP A SIGN.

THEY CANNOT PARK AN EIGHTEEN WHEELER IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA OVERNIGHT.

ALL WE HAVE TO HAVE IS A SIGN.

AND WHAT THAT SIGNS PUT UP, STATE LAW KICKS IN.

SO THERE'S STUFF THAT'S IN PLACE ALREADY THAT WE CAN ADDRESS AS FAR AS THAT GOES TO PREVENT SOME OF THESE BIGGER VEHICLES.

I READ IN THERE ABOUT THE EIGHTEEN WHEELER I HEARD YOU MENTIONED EIGHTEEN WHEELER, SO WE CAN DO THAT ALREADY. ALL WE NEED TO PUT UP A SIGN.

WE DON'T HAVE TO ENACT AN ORDINANCE.

WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. THE STATE LAWS ARE IN PLACE.

IT JUST NEEDS A SIGN. SO THAT'S THERE.

I JUST THINK I JUST LIKE THE IDEA OF GETTING RID OF THE TWENTY FOUR HOURS BECAUSE I COULD

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I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE DISABLED VEHICLE.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, THOUGH, IS THAT WE STICKER THOSE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE ORANGE STICKER AND THAT THAT STICKER BE ON THERE FOR A MINIMUM OF FORTY EIGHT, SEVENTY TWO HOURS, WHATEVER YOU ALL THINK.

SO WAY THE HOMEOWNER CAN READILY SEE THAT AND KNOW THAT, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? MY STUFF'S ABOUT TO GET TOWED, AND THEY'VE GOT NO COMPLAINT ABOUT IT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT.

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP COUNCIL MEMBER STANFORD WE I DIDN'T SAY THAT, BUT YES, WE WOULDN'T EFFECTUATE A TOW ON THAT UNTIL WE WENT OUT AND WE PUT THE STICKER ON THE VEHICLE. SO I OMITTED THAT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT VERY REASON.

SO TO REITERATE WITH WHAT MAYOR PRO TEM SAID, YOU'RE SAYING NO TIME LIMIT WHATSOEVER ON PARKING ON THE STREETS.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT OUR STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED FOR THE REASONS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER STANFORD SAID BECAUSE WHAT WE FIND THAT WE ARE IN THESE SITUATION IS WE BECOME THE PERSON THAT'S THE ENFORCER FOR A FEW INDIVIDUALS THAT DOESN'T LIKE SOMETHING ON THE STREET. AND HOW DO WE SPEND TIME REGULATING THAT NOW? AGAIN, IF YOU WISH TO GO IN HERE AND SAY FORTY EIGHT HOURS, SEVENTY TWO HOURS AND PUT A LONGER TIME FRAME ON THAT, THEN SO BE IT.

SO HOW DOES THAT TIE TO THE MOTOR HOMES? SAME THING UNLIMITED? NO, THE MOTOR HOMES. YOU KNOW, IT'S THAT'S MR. SANDERS SAID TWENTY-FOUR HOURS, I READ IT AS EXPEDITIOUSLY LOADING OR UNLOADING.

THAT'S VERY VAGUE LANGUAGE.

WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS US PUT A SPECIFIC TIME FRAME ON THE B2 SECTION OF THAT ORDINANCE SO THAT WE KNOW THIS HAS BEEN OUT THERE FOR TWENTY-FOUR, FORTY-EIGHT, SEVENTY-TWO, WHATEVER COUNCIL'S PLEASURE IS ON THAT TIME FRAME.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST SEVENTY-TWO HOURS ON THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE TIMES WHEN I HAD A MOTOR HOME GROWING UP AND THERE ARE TIMES WHEN IT JUST, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A BIG LOT SO WE COULD LEAVE IT ON THERE. BUT IT TAKES LONGER TO KIND OF SET TO GET THINGS IN.

SOMETIMES IT'S A MULTI-PHASED THING AND SOME PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A DRIVEWAY LONG ENOUGH TO DO IT, TO GET IT ALL DONE.

AND AGAIN, SOME PEOPLE HAVE FAMILY THAT COME AND VISIT FOR A WEEKEND, AND THAT'S HOW THEY COME INTO TOWN.

AND SO WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO PARK THEIR MOTOR HOME ON THE SECOND DAY THEY'RE IN TOWN AND THEY'RE SLEEPING IN IT THAT NIGHT, YOU KNOW? I GOT AN UNLEVEL IT, THEY GOT TO DO SO FOR MOTOR HOMES, COULD WE AT LEAST DO A SEVENTY TWO THAT GIVES US A FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY KIND OF THING.

IF YOU HAVE FAMILY COME INTO TOWN AND IF YOU'RE TRAVELING, YOU GET TIME TO LOAD AND UNLOAD AND BREATHE IN BETWEEN THERE AT SOME POINT.

I SEE WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM ON THE REGULAR CARS AND I'M FINE WITH THAT.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I DO HAVE THE SPEAKER CARD.

IF YOU GO SINCE IT DIRECTLY PERTAINS TO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER PAYNE IS TALKING ABOUT PHILIP SANDERS.

HELLO, MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THIS UP ON YOUR AGENDA.

I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT.

AND Y'ALL HAD SOME GREAT IDEAS.

FABULOUS. AND I AGREE WITH YOU.

IT IS, I THINK SEVENTY-TWO HOURS IS VERY REASONABLE ON THE RV.

IT TAKES TIME TO LOAD AND UNLOAD AND FOOD AND TAKING THINGS OUT PUT THINGS IN.

IT'S JUST IT TAKES TIME.

SO BUT THE REASON I WANTED TO SPEAK IS SINCE YOU STARTED BRINGING UP THE THINGS ABOUT THE CARS AND STUFF, I THINK THE TWENTY-HOURS SHOULD GO.

I LIKE A LOT OF WHAT YOU HAD TO SAY ABOUT IT AND AND WE'VE TALKED ON THE PHONE AND I AGREE WITH SOME OF THE STATEMENTS.

IT'S NOT BLOCKING A MAILBOX IF IT'S NOT BLOCKING A FIRE HYDRANT.

IT'S NOT BLOCKING A SIDEWALK OR SOMEBODY ELSE'S DRIVEWAY SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM.

IT'S LEGAL. IF IT'S GOT INSPECTION, IT'S GOT ALL FOUR WHEELS UP AND IT'S DRIVABLE ESPECIALLY. AND THIS IS THE KEY PART, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S ON YOUR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

YOU'RE PAYING TAXES FOR THE PROPERTY.

YOU PAY TAXES FOR THAT CAR TO BE ON A PUBLIC ROAD.

IF IT'S IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE, WHO CARES? JUST NOT ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S.

THERE'S A BLOCK AND SOMEBODY ELSE'S DRIVEWAY OR USING THEIR OTHER SIDE.

THEY SHOULD BE NEIGHBORLY AND GO OVER AND SAY, HEY, I GOT A BIG PARTY THIS WEEKEND.

CAN I PARK OVER HERE? NO PROBLEM. BUT YOU DON'T GO OVER THERE AND INTENTIONALLY JUST BLOCK THEIR STUFF JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN. SO I WOULD SAY PUT A LITTLE WORDING IN THERE ABOUT NOT BLOCKING ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF YOUR PROPERTY.

THAT OUGHT TO BE A PRETTY EASY FIX.

SO THAT'S MY TWO CENTS.

BUT WE'RE BEING TOLD THAT THAT'S NOT AN EASY FIX THAT.

WHY? LEGALLY.

WHAT WAS BEING EXPLAINED TO US WAS THAT A PUBLIC PLACE IS A PUBLIC PLACE.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHOSE HOUSE IT'S IN FRONT OF.

SO WITHOUT THE TIME LIMIT, IF YOU CHOSE TO PARK YOUR CAR ACROSS THE STREET JUST FOR YOUR OWN CONVENIENCE OR FOR SPITE OR FOR WHATEVER REASON, YOU COULD PARK IT THERE AS LONG AS YOU WANT IT TO IN FRONT OF YOUR NEIGHBORS HOUSE WITHOUT THE TIME LIMIT ON IT.

THE POLICE WOULD HAVE NO WAY OF ENFORCING THE REMOVAL.

[02:20:05]

I'VE GOT NEIGHBORS ON MY STREET AND WE'VE GOT A PRETTY, PRETTY WIDE ROAD.

IF YOU PUT STIPULATIONS ON, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS TOO, ABOUT HOW NARROW THE ROAD IS.

IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GETTING THROUGH THERE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT VEHICLES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE CURBS AND YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH THERE.

I GET IT MAKES SENSE.

BUT IF IT'S IN THE IN A ROAD, THAT'S IT'S NOT BLOCKING TRAFFIC, EVEN IF YOU HAD VEHICLES ON BOTH CURBS ON BOTH SIDES.

WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL? BUT AS FAR AS YOUR YOUR CARS BEING PARKED ON YOUR SIDE, WHO CARES? YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE A BIG DEAL AS FAR AS, I MEAN, WHY IS THE? WHY DOES THE LAW SAY THAT YOU CAN PARK ANYWHERE, ANY TIME IN THE PUBLIC STREET? THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SAYING.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE.

IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE BROKE OVER ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD AND YOU'VE GOT TO TOW IT WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. OR THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY TAKE IT TO A WRECKING YARD OR WHATEVER. I'M JUST SAYING THIS IS IN A RESIDENCE, IN YOUR HOUSE, YOUR VEHICLE, YOU PAID TAXES AND MORE THAN DIFFERENT AREAS.

YOUR TAXES COVER ALL THESE THINGS, INCLUDING THE FUEL TAXES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

FRONT OF YOUR HOME. OK.

WELL, WE PAY TAXES FOR THAT, TOO.

SO YOU'VE GOT A BUNCH OF THESE PROPERTY OR RESIDENCES AND PROPERTIES THAT HAVE SMALL COURTS. I LIVE IN A COURT.

OUR COURTS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN SOME OF THEM, BUT THEY CAN'T EVEN GET ONE CAR.

I MEAN, IT'S BLOCKED.

IT BLOCKS MAILBOX.

AND IF IT'S A LONG ENOUGH VEHICLE, IT GETS INTO THE NEIGHBOR'S DRIVEWAY IN THE COURT, YOU KNOW? SO I MEAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND THOSE KIND OF PROBLEMS. I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE AND I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE CUL DE SACS AND EVERYTHING, BUT I'M JUST TELLING YOU WE DON'T HAVE MUCH OF A LEG TO STAND ON AND WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T PARK ON THE STREET.

THAT'S JUST THE LEGAL SIDE OF IT, YOU KNOW? AND COACH CHIEF CORDELL IS KIND OF HANDCUFFED.

I AGREE WITH ALL THE CHANGES YOU'RE MAKING BECAUSE JIMMY MADE A GREAT STATEMENT.

YOU KNOW, WE GOT OTHER THINGS TO DO THAN.

YOUR GRAY AREA IS THESE GUYS COME UP AND MOVE IT A FOOT.

WELL, I MOVED IT.

AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING YOU GOT TO ENFORCE, YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN ENFORCE IT. AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT ON SOME STUFF.

OK, SO. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE Y'ALL ARE SAYING I'M READING INTO THIS, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S NOT A CRIMINAL OFFENSE, SO HE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, IT'S A CIVIL MATTER. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YOU WANT TO STEP IN HERE? IT'S NOT A PHONE A FRIEND OR A CIVIL MATTER.

IT IS A PUBLIC STREET RIGHT OF WAY.

SO THE PUBLIC HAS THE RIGHT TO DRIVE ON IT AND TO PARK ON IT.

THE ONLY TIME WE COULD RESTRICT PARKING IS IF WE PUT SIGNAGE UP, STATING WHAT THE LIMITATIONS ON PARKING WOULD BE BASED UPON AN ORDINANCE.

WE BEGIN THERE AND THAT WOULD MEAN WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SIGNAGE THROUGH THE CITY SAYING YOU MAY ONLY PARK ON THE SIDE OF THE PUBLIC STREET IF YOU LIVE IN OR VISITING THE HOUSE IN FRONT OF WHICH YOU ARE PARKING IT.

AND THOSE WOULD HAVE TO BE PLACED ALL ALONG THE STREETS.

THAT'S THE FIRST STEP.

BUT BEYOND THAT, WE WOULD FACE SCRUTINY BECAUSE A JUDGE WOULD BE REQUIRED IF WE ISSUED A CITATION TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS WAS A PUBLIC ROADWAY AND THE PUBLIC THAT PAYS PUBLIC TAXES HAS THE RIGHT TO PARK ON IT.

IT'S NOT CONSIDERED PART OF THE INDIVIDUAL HOUSE FOR PURPOSES OF CALCULATING THE REQUIRED ALL STREET PARKING UNDER THE ZONING ORDINANCE.

IT'S PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND WE SIMPLY ALLOW PEOPLE TO PARK ALONG IT.

WELL, MAYBE THAT'S MAYBE THAT'S THE TICKET RIGHT THERE.

MAYBE BECAUSE IT'S A CITY STREET.

IT'S NOT A STATE STREET, IT'S NOT A COUNTY STREET.

IT'S A CITY STREET.

CORRECT. SO MAYBE YOU NEED TO ADDRESS IT IN THE CITY ORDINANCES.

IT'S THE SAME BODY OF LAW THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IN TERMS OF.

IT'S A PUBLIC STREET IN THE CITY IS THE CONTROLLING GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY WITH PLENARY AUTHORITY, BUT IT'S A PUBLIC STREET AND A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

AND IF WE ARE GOING TO TELL THE MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, YOU CAN'T USE IT, WE HAVE TO SURVIVE JUDICIAL SCRUTINY AND THAT SHOWS YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE LEAST INTRUSIVE

[02:25:04]

AND WE'RE IN A SITUATION OF SAYING THIS MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC CAN PARK THERE, BUT THIS MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC CAN'T, AND THAT JUST BECOMES A TRAP THAT PUTS THE POLICE IN A HORRIBLE SITUATION WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH IT MUNICIPAL COURT BY ESTABLISHING A REGULATION THAT IT HAS TO BE PROPERLY LICENSED, OPERABLE TAGGED IS PROBABLY AS FAR AS WE CAN SAFELY GO AND MANAGE THE LEGAL CONSEQUENCES OF OUR DECISIONS.

OK. I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY BLOCKING MY HOUSE, I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T, I DON'T AGREE WITH THE TWENTY-FOUR HOUR THING BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE TO PARK IN THE STREET BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO PARK IN THEIR DRIVEWAY.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE COURTS AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE SMALL ROADS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND THEY'VE GOT KIDS THAT THEY'RE NOT OLD ENOUGH TO MOVE OUT OF THEIR HOUSE. THEY'RE IN COLLEGE, WHATEVER, BUT THEY NEED TO HAVE MOM AND DAD, AND THEN THE KID NEEDS TO PARK IN THE STREET, WHATEVER.

I'VE BEEN THERE, SO I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE A TIME LIMIT.

BUT I DON'T THINK THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE BLOCKING YOUR SIDE OF THE ROAD IF YOU'VE GOT IT OPEN ON YOUR SIDE, PARK ON YOUR SIDE.

THAT'S THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

AS WELL AS COUNCIL MEMBER, STANFORD SAID.

IF ONLY WE LIVED IN THE WORLD WHERE ALL THE NEIGHBORS WERE AS KIND TO EACH OTHER, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S AT LEAST THANK GOD ON MY BLOCK.

WE KNOW EACH OTHER, WE TALK TO EACH OTHER, WE SHARE EACH OTHER'S DRIVEWAY.

SOMETIMES IF YOU NEED TO, IF SOMEONE'S GOING ON VACATION OR SOMETHING.

SO UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S JUST NOT THE CASE ALL THE TIME, BUT I COMPLETELY AGREE IT WILL REMOVE THAT PETTINESS OF CALLING ON THE TWENTY FOUR HOUR.

AND WE JUST DON'T NEED OUR POLICE STAFF OUT THERE RUNNING ON THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

SO I AGREE WITH YOU.

THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. THANK YOU.

THANKS, [INAUDIBLE].

I KNEW THIS WOULD BE EXCITING.

SO I WOULD POINT OUT, AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS ON THAT BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR DIRECTION BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE ARE GETTING CALLED SPECIFICALLY FROM A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE THAT PROBABLY ARE HAVING CONFLICTS WITH A NEIGHBOR AND WE BECOME THE ENFORCEMENT AGENCY FOR THAT.

I DO APPRECIATE AND AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS THAT MAYOR PRO TEM SAID REGARDING BLOCKING MAILBOXES. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S IN OUR CITY ORDINANCE AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I HAVE SEEN AS WELL IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND NO, YOU DON'T GET YOUR MAIL.

SO I MEAN IT WHILE WE'RE RECOMMENDING ELIMINATING THAT, THE ONE OF THE OFFICERS SAID IF YOU'RE GOING TO LEAVE THAT IN, THEN EXTEND THAT TIMELINE CONSIDERABLY LONGER, WHETHER IT'S SEVENTY-TWO HOURS, HE RECOMMENDED A WEEK.

BUT FOR OUR RESPONSE, WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT THERE, WE'RE GOING TO TAG THAT VEHICLE AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK OUT THERE AND MONITOR THAT AGAIN.

AND IF IT'S MOVED A LITTLE BIT, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE THAT MR. MCKINLEY IS TALKING ABOUT, THEN IT'S NOT A VIOLATION.

LET'S GO DOWN THE LIST [INAUDIBLE] SEVENTY-TWO HOUR ON THE RV.

I THINK EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT ON THAT.

THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH, YEAH.

OK. SO WE GOT THAT DOWN.

AND THEN THE TWENTY-FOUR AND THE TWENTY FOUR HOURS THAT WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN A RESOLUTION ON YET. AND YOU WANT TO GET RID OF THAT.

CORRECT. THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? YES, SIR. ARE WE IN AGREEANCE? NO. AGAINST.

ANYBODY ELSE? I'M FOR IT.

I'M FOR IT. YOU KNOW WHERE I'M ON ON THE FENCE ON THIS THING IS HOW DO YOU PROVE THAT IT'S TWENTY-FOUR HOURS? THAT'S THE KEY.

WE'LL BE OUT THERE FIGHTING ONE CAR ALL THE TIME.

SO I'M GOING TO BE FOR GETTING RID OF IT.

AND THEN THE NEXT OPTION WAS LOOKING AT THE REVISION TO WE'RE GOING TO ELIMINATE THE I CAN'T PARK IT ON THE STREET WITH AN EXPIRED INSPECTION OR REGISTRATION STICKER.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO COMBINE THAT INTO THE STORED VEHICLE SO THAT IF THERE'S AN EXPIRED STICKER IN COMBINATION WITH SOME OTHER FACTOR THAT MAKES THAT VEHICLE INOPERABLE, IT'S UP ON BLOCKS. IT'S GOT FLAT TIRES, IT'S MISSING AN ENGINE, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT OPPONENTS TO IT THAT YOU CANNOT DRIVE THAT THAT WOULD BE A [INAUDIBLE].

THEN, AFTER FORTY-EIGHT HOURS AFTER WE RED TAGGED THAT FORTY-EIGHT HOURS HAS EXPIRED, THEN WE COULD GO OUT THERE AND EFFECTUATE A TOW AT THAT POINT, SOME LANGUAGE THAT CAPTURES THAT, THAT I'M SURE THAT OUR DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY WILL BE ABLE TO CRAFT MIRACULOUSLY. ARE WE ALL OKAY WITH THIS? WE'RE GOOD, THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. WE WILL COME BACK AT A FUTURE MEETING WITH THE CORRECTED LANGUAGE IN THAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU, CHIEF. THANK YOU, CHIEF CORDELL, FOR THAT RIVETING DISCUSSION.

[02:30:01]

GOT THE ANSWER.

WELL, ENJOY THE REST OF THE EVENING.

THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 7B, RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PROVIDE STAFF

[B. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction regarding proposed TxDOT improvements to I-35W. (Staff Presenter: Paul Mitchell, Assistant Director of Public Works)]

PAUL, ANOTHER RIVETING SUBJECT.

I WAS GOING TO SAY GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THIS ISN'T ABOUT LITTER OR PARKING, SO JUST TAKE FIVE MINUTES TO RELAX AND TALK ABOUT CONGESTION ON THE HIGHWAY.

I JUST WANT TO PREFACE THIS WITH I AM NOT A TXDOT ENGINEER.

THIS IS AN ART PROJECT.

TXDOT CAN'T BE AT THESE MEETINGS YET, BUT THEY'VE ASKED US TO PRESENT WELL.

WE'VE ASKED TO PRESENT THIS TO COUNCIL SO THAT WE CAN GET FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL ON THIS PROJECT AND THEY'VE SUBMITTED THESE THESE 35 30 PERCENT SCHEMATIC DESIGNS TO US.

COUNCIL, YOU'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE.

THIS IS THE TXDOT PROJECT FOR THE I-35W SEGMENT ONE, AND IT'S FROM REALLY JUST NORTH OF I-20, AND IT WOULD GO ALL THE WAY DOWN THIRTY FIVE TO OUR CONNECTION TO ONE SEVENTY FOUR AND JUST A LITTLE BEYOND A LITTLE BIT DOWN ONE SEVENTY-FOUR THERE AND RENFRO AS WELL.

JUST A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THAT PROJECT, IN CASE YOU DON'T REMEMBER.

IT'S ABOUT TEN MILES WITH THOSE LIMITS THAT I DESCRIBED BEFORE.

THERE'S SOME SEVERAL INTERSECTIONS.

THE MAJOR ONE THAT AFFECTS US IS, OF COURSE, THE ONE SEVENTY FOUR INTERSECTION WITH I-35.

IT'S ABOUT A FIVE HUNDRED SIXTY EIGHT MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT RIGHT NOW ON THEIR PLANS OR ESTIMATING TO FUND IF IT'S FUNDED.

CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE FROM AROUND 2027 TO 2036 IN A PHASED APPROACH FROM MY I-20 MOVING SOUTHWARD AS FUNDING BECOMES AVAILABLE.

AT THIS TIME, IT IS NOT FUNDED.

I'LL DO MY BEST TO DESCRIBE THE PROJECT FROM TXDOT PERSPECTIVE.

INITIALLY, TXDOT BROUGHT IT TO OUR ATTENTION IN 2019, WANTED TO HAVE A TECHNICAL WORKGROUP MEETING AND DISCUSS IT, THEIR STUDY OF THIS CORRIDOR AND WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO IMPROVE THE CORRIDOR FOR TRAFFIC AND MOBILITY WITH THEIR PROJECTIONS OF WHAT TRAFFIC WILL BE LIKE IN 25 YEARS.

WE HAD A SECOND WORKGROUP MEETING IN 2020 SUBSEQUENT STAFF MEETINGS WHERE THEY WOULD PRESENT THEIR IDEAS AND ALTERNATIVES AND TRY TO GET FEEDBACK FROM OUR STAFF THROUGHOUT '19, '20 AND SEVERAL MEETINGS IN 2020.

WE REQUESTED THEM PROVIDE INFORMATION TO COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER 17 OF 2020, WHERE YOU WERE BRIEFED ON A WORKSHOP MEETING THERE.

FOLLOWING THAT, THEY DID HAVE A VIRTUAL PUBLIC MEETING ON APRIL 27TH AND FOLLOWING THAT MEETING, THEY GAVE AN UPDATE.

I THINK WE HAD NEWLY ADOPTED ACCEPTED COUNCIL MEMBERS, SO WE FOLLOWED THAT UP ON JULY SIX WITH ANOTHER UPDATE.

WITH ALL THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS KIND OF SEATED AND SETTLED FROM THAT MEETING, WE TOOK YOUR COMMENTS AND GAVE THOSE TO TXDOT.

AND AT THIS POINT, THEY'RE IN WHAT YOU SAW WAS A PRELIMINARY SCHEMATIC WHERE THEY PROVIDED ALTERNATIVES, HAD IDEAS ON DIFFERENT THINGS FOR, ESPECIALLY FOR THE INTERSECTION OF 174 AND 187.

AT THAT TIME, WE PROVIDED FEEDBACK FROM YOU AND THEY INCORPORATED THOSE COMMENTS, MADE A DECISION AND THIS IS A 30 PERCENT DESIGN SCHEMATIC WHERE THEY'VE PICKED AN ALTERNATIVE AND THEY'RE PRESENTING IT TO US FOR COMMENT.

WHICH BRINGS US TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

THEY'RE ASKING FOR STAFF'S DESIGN COMMENTS AND COUNSELS IF WE IDENTIFY ANY AREAS OF CONCERN WITH WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING AND THINK OF.

THIS IS A LONG TERM PLAN.

THIS IS OUT THERE QUITE A BIT.

BUT THE BETTER, THE MORE INFORMATION WE GET AND FEEDBACK WE GIVE NOW, THE BETTER CHANCE WE HAVE OF INCORPORATING THAT INTO THEIR DESIGN.

WHY THAT'S DOING THAT? THERE WE GO.

THAT DOWN. SO JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU I'M NOT GOING TO READ THROUGH ALL THIS, BUT WHAT I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU TONIGHT.

OF COURSE, THE THE YELLOW OR THE MAIN LANES OF THE HIGHWAYS, THE GREEN BEING THE FRONTAGE ROADS, LITTLE LIGHT BLUE, WHICH YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SEE OUR RAMPS TO AND FROM THE MAIN LANES TO THE FRONTAGE ROADS.

THE RED HATCHED AREAS WOULD BE WHERE THE EXISTING ROADS WOULD.

THEY WOULD BE TAKING AWAY TO REPLACE WITH NEW ROADS AND BRIDGES ARE KIND OF THESE TRANSPARENT, BROWNISH GRAYISH LANES LIKE, FOR THIS EXAMPLE, TO BE THE ELEVEN EIGHTY SEVEN LANES THAT ARE BRAIDED LIKE THAT.

SO AS WE GO THROUGH, I'M GOING TO TRY TO SHOW YOU THE HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE PLAN THAT WE WERE GIVEN AND KIND OF OUTLINE THIS.

IT'S BY NO MEANS A COMPREHENSIVE, DETAILED ANALYSIS OF THIS PLANS, BUT SOME OF THEIR BIG DECISIONS AND TO TRY TO GET SOME PERSPECTIVE ON WHERE THIS IS.

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THE CITY LIMITS ARE TO THE FAR RIGHT HERE, BUT I SHOWED THIS JUST BECAUSE [INAUDIBLE].

A LOT OF BURLESON CITIZENS USE IT TO ACCESS I-35.

THEY'VE DONE A SELECTED A DIVERGING DIAMOND INTERCHANGE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW FAMILIAR YOU ARE WITH THOSE.

I THINK THEY MAY HAVE SHOWN YOU THAT PREVIOUSLY THEY USED IT IN THE COLONY AT NEBRASKA FURNITURE MART. IT'S A SAFER, ALBEIT WILDER LOOKING INTERSECTION, RIGHT FROM A FROM THE HELICOPTER IT LOOKS HORRIBLE ON THE GROUND.

IT'S REALLY DRIVEN BY SIGNAGE.

THE IDEA, IN GENERAL, IS THAT IF YOU'RE AT AN INTERSECTION, THE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION, AND YOU CAN MAKE A RIGHT TURN ON RED CORRECT OR A YIELD OR FREE RIDE ON RED IF THERE'S NO TRAFFIC. WHAT THIS DOES IS IT DOES A FREE RIGHT AND A FREE LEFT.

SO JUST FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE WERE AT THE GOING EASTBOUND ON ELEVEN EIGHTY SEVEN, IF YOU COULD FOLLOW MY CURSOR AND WE'RE HEADED HERE, THIS IS A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION.

SO YOU WOULD STOP THERE AND PROCEED THROUGH THE INTERSECTION AND THEN THE TRAFFIC MOVING NORTHBOUND COULD MAKE A FREE LEFT ONTO NORTHBOUND THIRTY FIVE.

THAT MAKES SENSE. AND THEY COULD ALSO MAKE IT FREE RIGHT, AND GET ON TO I-35.

OK, SO.

YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE COMPLICATED, GOES BOTH DIRECTIONS, THERE'S MULTIPLE SIGNALS, BUT TXDOT INSISTS THAT THAT IS SAFER AND MORE EFFICIENT.

AND THIS INTERSECTIONS? YES, SIR. THREE LAYERS FOR THAT, I BELIEVE HAS FOUR LANES ON ELEVEN EIGHTY SEVEN.

SO THEY'VE SHOWN IT,OH NO, NO, NO, SIR. IT'S ALL LIGHT.

IT'S THOSE TWO BRIDGES, RIGHT? THERE ARE AT THE SAME ELEVATION.

SO THERE'S A SIGNAL HERE AND THERE'S A SIGNAL HERE.

YEAH. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO THE [INAUDIBLE] EXIT WILL BE BEFORE ELEVEN EIGHTY SEVEN, THEN WE'RE GOING TO MOVE IT BACK. IT IS.

OK. IT IS, AND THEY WON'T STOP AT ELEVEN EIGHTY SEVEN, THERE WILL BE A BRIDGE, RIGHT? IS THAT? THAT'S RIGHT.

SO YOUR EXIT FOR ALSBURY WILL GO UNDERNEATH THOSE LANES UNDERNEATH THOSE TWO AND IT'LL COME UP TO MCALLISTER. SO IT'LL BE ASBURY AND MCALLISTER EXIT BASICALLY IS WHAT IT WILL BE. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, OUR EXISTING EXIT IS A LITTLE BIT HAIRY, RIGHT? YES, IT IS. YES IT IS.

THEY'VE PULLED IT BACK HERE TO MEET THEIR CRITERIA, WHICH IS A LOT SAFER.

IS THIS FEWER STOPLIGHTS? PARDON ME. IS THIS AM I? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, SIR.

OR IS THIS PURE STOPLIGHTS? IS THAT THE REASON IT'S WORKING BETTER OR STOPLIGHTS OFF AND ON? YEAH, IT'S SIGNALS.

YES, SIR. YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

YEAH. ON THAT BRIDGE, THERE'S TWO OF THEM, ACTUALLY, AND IT MAKES THE LEFT TURNS CROSS OVER TO THE OPPOSITE SIDE.

YEAH. SO ANOTHER THING TO NOTE HERE IS THAT MCALISTER, THEY'VE ADDED TURNAROUNDS AT THE BRIDGE, SO THIS GIVES ACCESS TO BOTH SIDES OF THE HIGHWAY AND FOR NORTHBOUND. IF YOU NEED TO MAKE A U-TURN AND COME BACK TO THE SOUTHBOUND FRONTAGE ROAD, IT GIVES A LOT MORE ACCESS TO BOTH SIDES.

THIS INCLUDES BURLESON FRONTAGE RIGHT? PARDON. YES, YES.

THE NORTHBOUND EXIT FOR 1187.

SO WHEN WE GET TO THE HOSPITAL, IS THAT CHANGING AT ALL IN THIS OR, YOU KNOW? NORTHBOUND EXIT FOR HUGULEY? YES. THAT EXIT, I BELIEVE, IS FURTHER BACK HERE TO GET ONTO THE FRONTAGE ROAD AND THERE'S A UNDERPASS HERE.

SO IT'LL BE QUICKER. WE WON'T HAVE TO STOP THAT LIGHT.

IT'LL BE MORE OK.

THAT'S MUCH BETTER. THANK YOU.

IT'S FURTHER BACK. BUT YES, THERE'S YOU'LL SEE THAT'S CONSISTENT.

THEY'VE PROVIDED UNDERPASS UNDER THE BRIDGE WHERE YOU GO THROUGH.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THOSE LIGHTS.

AND THE SAME FOR EAST OR SOUTHBOUND.

OK, THAT'S GOOD.

YES, THANK YOU. SO AS WE GET DOWN INTO BURLESON, I'M GOING DOWN THIRTY FIVE IN THE SLIDE HERE. I'M MISLABEL THIS AND I APOLOGIZE.

THIS IS NOT THE EXIT RAMP TO MCALLISTER.

IT'S TO 1187.

IT WOULD BE UNDERNEATH ALSBURY HERE AND THAT WOULD BE EXITING HERE AND THOSE TWO GO TO FM 1187. ENTRANCE RAMP FROM ALSBURY WOULD BE RIGHT HERE STILL, BUT IT CARRIES A LONG RAMP UNDERNEATH MCALLISTER, THEN EVENTUALLY GETS ON.

THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH.

SO CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION AGAIN? SO IF YOU'RE.. SO THEY'RE MOVING THE 1187 EXIT RAMP BACK TO THEIR AFTER THEY JUST BUILT IT UP, THEY'RE UP ON THE NORTHERN CLOSER.

I KNOW YOU'RE NEW TO THE CITY, BUT SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS AGO, BUT THEY JUST BUILT THAT NEW.

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YES, IN THIRTY YEARS IN TWENTY THIRTY SIX, MAYBE.

BUT YEAH, IT'LL TAKE THEM A WHILE TO GET THERE.

YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

SO HERE. THAT'S RIGHT.

SO AT ALSBURY. SO AT ALSBURY, THEY WOULD HAVE TURNAROUNDS HERE AS WELL, WHICH IS ALSO VERY HELPFUL. AND ENTRANCE RAMP FOR MCALLISTER TO SOUTHBOUND THIRTY FIVE WOULD BE RIGHT HERE UNDER ALSBURY FOR THE FRONTAGE TO GET BACK ONTO THIRTY FIVE SOUTHBOUND.

SO IT'S IT'S A LOT TO TAKE IN.

I MEAN, IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

JUST BY ADDING, I THINK THEY'RE CALLED TEXAS TURNAROUNDS, I DON'T REALLY KNOW.

JUST BY ADDING THAT WE'LL SAVE SO MUCH TIME TONS AND SITTING IN THE TRAFFIC THERE AT ALSBURY, SO THAT'S FANTASTIC.

YES, THERE IS A REALLY GOOD THINGS FOR BURLESON.

MY QUESTION? YES, SIR.

I WAS BORN IN WACO AND I'VE MOVED OUT AND ARE STILL NOT DONE WITH THE CONSTRUCTION THEY WERE DOING WHENEVER I WAS BORN.

I HATE TO BE FACETIOUS, BUT AS THEY'RE DOING THIS, IT'S GOING TO PUSH STUFF ON OUR SIDE STREETS, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE THIS IS GOING TO BE A LONG TERM PROJECT.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE.

THEY CAN SURPRISE ME AND AND GET IT DONE QUICK.

BUT BUT I'M JUST SAYING, SO WHAT'S OUR THOUGHT PROCESSES? HAVE WE DUG DOWN INTO THAT TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT MUCH TRAFFIC FLOW ONTO PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE DECIDING TO CUT OVER TO THE SIDE ROADS? WE HAVE NOT, WHAT TXDOT THAT TELLS US IS THIS DESIGN IS DESIGNED TO CARRY, OF COURSE, THEY HAVE TO KEEP THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC DURING THE DESIGN.

SO SOME OF THE THINGS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE INTERCHANGE, THEY WERE SETTING IT UP SPECIFICALLY SO THEY COULD CONSTRUCT IT DURING AND KEEP THE LANES OPEN AND SHIFT LANES OVER AND DO THAT KIND OF THING.

IT'S A LONG, LONG TERM STRATEGY ON HOW TO CONSTRUCT THAT THING MEANS AND METHODS, BUT A LOT OF THE DESIGN IT HAS TO DO WITH THAT.

SO I HAVEN'T ASKED SPECIFICALLY THAT QUESTION, BUT WE SURE CAN.

LIKE, DO THEY ANTICIPATE ANY NEED FOR TRAFFIC TO BE DIVERTED INTO CITY STREETS? YEAH, I THINK TECH START FOCUSES MORE ON KEEPING TRAFFIC ON THE MAIN LANES OPEN, THE FRONTAGE ROADS. MAYBE THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH THAT.

CERTAINLY, THERE'S A LOT OF RIGHT AWAY TAKES ON THE FRONTAGE ROADS.

THAT'S WHERE THE THE RIGHT AWAY TAKES WOULD BE AND THAT THAT HAPPENS WAY IN ADVANCE OF THE CONSTRUCTION. I DO KNOW THAT PEACE.

SO THEY WOULDN'T JUST DUMP THAT ON US.

A LOT OF THOSE THINGS WOULD BE DONE AHEAD OF TIME IN ANTICIPATION FOR THE BIG PART COME THROUGH. I DON'T KNOW IF I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION, BUT WE COULD DEFINITELY ASK THE QUESTION OF TXDOT.

SO MOVING DOWN AS WE GO DOWN THIRTY FIVE, WE JUST PASSED ONE SEVENTY FOUR INTERCHANGE HERE AND I'LL GO BACK TO THAT IN JUST A SECOND.

THE ENTRANCE RAMP. AND THIS IS ONE THING I WANTED TO SHOW YOU ALL AND I WILL SHOW LATER.

THIS FRONTAGE ROAD, THE ACCESS IS DEFINITELY DIFFERENT, SO THERE'S AN ON RAMP FROM THE FRONTAGE ROAD DOWN HERE BEFORE RENFRO TO GET BACK ON TO THIRTY FIVE MAIN LANES PRIOR TO THE THE INTERSECTION.

AND YOU'VE GOT TURNAROUNDS BOTH.

I THINK WE HAVE ONE NOW.

SO ON THE SOUTH SIDE, I BELIEVE AND THERE'LL BE ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE AS WELL.

SO TURNAROUNDS ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT.

UNLESS THEY ARE THERE NOW, NO MISTAKE, I APOLOGIZE.

I THINK THERE'S ONE SIDE, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. SO.

MOVING ON TO THE INTERCHANGE, THIS IS WHERE THE I FEEL LIKE THE MEAT AND POTATOES IS OF THE WHOLE THING. YOU PROBABLY SAW THIS BEFORE IT WAS ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES AND THEY PICKED IT IS TO CONNECT CENTER STREET UNDERNEATH AND THIS IS REALLY HARD TO SEE.

IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION.

YOU'VE GOT ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS IS THE FRONTAGE ROAD FOR SOUTHBOUND.

IT NO LONGER HAS AN ENTRANCE RAMP HERE, BUT IT CARRIES UNDER ALL OF THESE BRIDGES TO GO SOUTH TO RENFRO.

OK, SO A LOT OF THESE PROPERTIES RIGHT HERE HAVE MUCH BETTER ACCESS.

IN ADDITION, YOU HAVE AN EXIT RAMP FROM THE MAIN LANES HERE.

THAT ONE, YOU HAVE AN OPTION ON THIS RAMP, AND IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO SEE AND I DO APOLOGIZE. YOU COULD GO MAIN LANES ONE SEVENTY FOUR INTO TOWN OR YOU CAN EXIT HERE AND GO TO THE FRONTAGE ROAD OF ONE SEVENTY FOUR.

WHAT'S THE PROPOSING DOWN HERE, WHICH IS OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS? OK, SO MAIN LANE TRAFFIC OF 170 OR EXCUSE ME, BACK UP THE MAIN LANE TRAFFIC SOUTHBOUND ON THIRTY FIVE. YOU CAN GET TO THE FRONTAGE ROAD OF ONE SEVENTY FOUR OR THE MAIN LANES OF

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AND ALSO CENTER IS CONNECTED DIRECTLY TO THESE FRONTAGE ROADS AS WELL.

AND I DO HAVE A GRAPHIC HERE.

I CAN SHOW YOU PULL UP.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE JUST A SECOND.

AND BLEW IT UP. THAT WORKED REALLY WELL IN REHEARSAL.

HMM. TRY IT AGAIN.

THERE WE GO. THIS MAY BE A BETTER WAY TO VIEW IT, FOR SURE.

SO THIS IS THE ONE THEY PICKED.

SO HERE YOU CAN SEE CENTER DRIVE IS CONNECTED UNDER THE MAIN LANES DIRECT, SO THE EAST SIDE OF THIRTY FIVE IS CONNECTED TO REALLY THE WEST SIDE AND THE REST OF BURLESON MUCH MORE DIRECT THAN IT IS NOW.

THIS AREA DOWN HERE WITH COMMERCE AND RUDD IS WAY MORE CONNECTED THAN IT IS NOW TO I 35 AND THE FRONTAGE ROAD HERE.

IT CHANGES THINGS FOR CERTAIN.

YOU'VE GOT THESE EXIT RAMPS.

THIS IS WHAT I WAS TELLING YOU. YOU CAN GO DOWNTOWN OR NOT DOWNTOWN, BUT YOU CAN GO STRAIGHT INTO BURLESON 174.

OR YOU CAN GO DOWN TO FRONTAGE ROW TO BURLESON ON THE NORTH SIDE OF OF 174 DIRECT GREAT SEPARATED FROM THE RAILROAD TRACKS SO.

SO WHERE IS THE EXIT TO GO TO ONE? SEVENTY FOUR IF YOU'RE HEADING NORTH? SO THAT IS ONE COMMENT THAT THE STAFF HAD MADE, AND IT'S BEEN A REQUEST MANY TIMES.

THAT'S THE ONE THING THEY COULDN'T DO IS GET US A FLYOVER TO COME BACK INTO TOWN DIRECT.

BUT WHAT THEY DID SAY WAS THE DRIVE TIME AND THE NUMBER OF TURNS THAT THEY COUNTED OR ANTICIPATE WOULDN'T WARRANT IT EITHER.

SINCE YOU HAVE HIDDEN CREEK PARKWAY AND OTHER OTHER ROUTES TO GET TO ONE SEVENTY FOUR TO THE SOUTH, SO WE'RE NOT THAT WE'RE NOT SOLVING THE RENFRO PROBLEM.

THAT'S TO ME, A HUGE ISSUE.

WE'RE STILL DUMPING PEOPLE ONTO RENFROE TO GET TO ONE SEVENTY FOUR AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE AS THAT DEPOT ON MAIN IS BUILT AND WE CONTINUE WITH THE REFURB DOWN RENFRO NEAR THIRTY FIVE.

WE NEED AN EXIT TO GET ONTO ONE SEVENTY FOUR FROM THIRTY FIVE NORTH.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS THINK, BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS SOMETHING WE DISCUSSED.

A LOT WAS TRYING TO DIVERT TRAFFIC OFF OF RENFRO ON THAT PART OF TOWN.

I DO KNOW THEIR RESPONSE TO OUR REQUEST FOR THAT AND SEE IF WE CAN GET BACK TO IT WAS THE TURNAROUND AT ALSBURY, THE TEXAS TURNAROUND IF YOU GET BACK TO IT.

HMM. YOU WOULD BE THE MAIN LANES EXITING THIS FRONTAGE ROAD AND MAKING THE U-TURN AT RENFRO TO COME BACK DOWN THE FURNITURE ROAD.

WELL, I GUESS IF YOU KNEW HOW TO DO IT, YOU COULD TAKE THE EXIT TO THAT CENTER DRIVE, CUT THROUGH AND GET BACK UP.

THAT'S RIGHT. 174 SOUTHBOUND, THAT WAY.

RIGHT, THE EXIT HERE AND COME UNDERNEATH AND COME OVER, THAT'S THERE'S MULTIPLE OPTIONS, SIGNAGE WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT.

I THINK IN THIS PROJECT BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF COMPLICATED MOVEMENTS.

SO CAN YOU CONTINUING DOWN 174 SO THIS IS JUST PAST THE INTERCHANGE WE JUST DISCUSSED.

THEY DID CONTINUE WITH TWO GREAT SEPARATED CROSSINGS HERE AT HILLARY AND RENFRO.

I DO HAVE A FLYOVER WE CAN SHOW YOU.

TO SHOW THAT THIS IS FROM THE INTERCHANGE MOVING SOUTH ON ONE SEVENTY FOUR SOUTHBOUND.

SO HERE IS GRADE SEPARATED HILLARY THERE.

AND. OF COURSE, YOU HAVE MUCH MORE ACCESS HERE, AND YOU HAVE TURNAROUNDS AT RENFRO, SO YOU CAN GET TO BOTH SIDES OF THE FRONTAGE A LOT EASIER.

AND THAT WOULD BE GRADE SEPARATED.

ON ALL INTERSECTIONS, YES, ON ALL THE INTERSECTIONS, I SAID THEY COULD DO THAT.

WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THAT REQUEST.

I THINK THE ONLY ONE WE DON'T HAVE IT ON.

OF COURSE, ELLISON RIGHT THERE, BACK UP THERE.

ELLISON IS ONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A GRADE SEPARATED CROSSING BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GET BACK DOWN. BUT HILLARY, THAT COULD.

I DIDN'T SAY ONE ON HILLARY.

AND THAT'S KIND OF A DEAD END ON THAT, ISN'T IT? ON HILLARY? YES. YOU KNOW, THEY MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FIT IT.

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THERE WOULD BE, OF COURSE, A SIGNAL OR A STOP SIGN, AT LEAST TO MAKE A LEFT TURN AND THEN GO THROUGH THE TRAFFIC MAY NOT WARRANT IT.

RENFRO CERTAINLY WOULD.

SO I CAN DEFINITELY MAKE THAT REQUEST.

YEAH, BECAUSE WOULDN'T THAT BE WHERE PEOPLE WOULD BE TURNING TO GO TO THE MAIN ON DEPOT? A LOT OF PEOPLE. YEAH.

SAY IT AGAIN. WOULDN'T THAT BE WHERE PEOPLE WOULD BE TURNING AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE TO GET TO THE DEPOT AND MAINE? ABSOLUTELY. ON HILLARY.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT A REAL EASY ACCESS OR WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH A BIG PILE UP THERE.

SO IS THAT A IS THAT'S A TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE THEY HAVE TO TURN LEFT ON.

I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S A TRAFFIC LIGHT OR A STOP SIGN.

I MEAN, IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE WARRANTS, BUT THERE WOULD BE AN INTERSECTION THERE TO MAKE A LEFT. IT HAS A LIGHT NOW, SO HOW WOULD WE DO IT WITHOUT A LIGHT? YOU COULD STOP HERE AND MAKE A LEFT TURN UNDER THE BRIDGE.

BUT IT MOST LIKELY WILL BE A LIGHT.

OKAY. I THINK WHAT I'M I GUESS WHAT I'M QUESTIONING HERE IS HAVE THEY CONSIDERED THE BACKUP OF TRAFFIC UP ON THAT BRIDGE? IF PEOPLE ARE TURNING LEFT HERE, I MEAN, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH OF A LEFT HAND TURN LANE. WELL, THE MAIN LANES ARE NOT GOING TO STOP THERE.

THEY'RE BRIDGING OVER HILLARY.

OK, SO THAT'S JUST ON THAT, THAT LOWER DECK.

RIGHT? I CAN GO BACK TO THAT.

OK, I GET YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH THAT I HAVE CLARITY NOW ON THAT.

OH YEAH, I CAN SEE THEN WHY A STOP SIGN WOULD POTENTIALLY WORK UNTIL THERE'S A NEED FOR A LIGHT. IF I GOT YOU.

THANK YOU. IT WOULD JUST DEPEND ON MORE WARRANTS, HONESTLY.

BUT YEAH, YOU WOULD MAKE A EXCUSE ME, LEFT TURN AT HILLARY TO GO TO OLD TOWN STATION.

AND IF YOU MISSED IT AND YOU WENT PAST IT, YOU CAN MAKE A U-TURN HERE AND COME BACK AND MAKE A RIGHT. IT DOES PROVIDE A LOT MORE ACCESS TO BOTH SIDES OF 174 THAT WE DON'T HAVE NOW. I MEAN, A LOT LESS STOPLIGHTS, IT LOOKS LIKE.

SO WHERE'S YOUR FIRST STOP LIGHT ONCE YOU GO DOWN 174? SO IT WOULD BE PAST ELLISON.

I THINK IT WOULD BE AT NEWTON, WHERE IT IS NOW.

OK. YEAH. WOW.

COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. YEAH, THAT'S A LOT.

YEAH. SO IT'S A BIG CHANGE.

SO OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK.

I HAVE SOME COMMENTS NOW.

IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHERS OR WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE ANY OTHERS CERTAINLY NEED THAT.

I CAN SHOW YOU THE NEXT STEPS.

WE'RE JUST GOING TO COMPILE ALL THESE COMMENTS AND THEY'VE ASKED US TO MEET WITH THEM.

GO OVER THE COMMENTS AND SCHEDULE IS ROUGHLY IN 2022 TO FINISH A 60 PERCENT AND 100 PERCENT SCHEMATIC IN 2023.

GET THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE.

HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING IN TWENTY TWENTY THREE.

I'VE ASKED FOR A SECOND PUBLIC MEETING THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DO IN PERSON.

THEY SAID THAT WAS A DEFINITE POSSIBILITY, SO I WILL PUSH FOR THAT.

OF COURSE, THE CONSTRUCTION ANTICIPATED START DATE IS 2027.

ALL THOSE THINGS ARE DEPENDENT UPON FUNDING BY THE STATE, BUT ANY OF YOUR FEEDBACK IS CERTAINLY WELCOME. OR IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE GLAD TO TRY TO ANSWER THEM.

THIS WASN'T MENTIONED AS PART OF TODAY'S PRESENTATION, BUT 917 IS ON MY RADAR, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT EACH TIME A DEVELOPMENT HAS COME BEFORE US IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE NEED FOR THAT FOR A SOLUTION ON 917.

THE TRAFFIC IS PICKING UP.

THEY HAVE LIGHTS NOW, BUT THE TRAFFIC STILL BACKS UP.

SOMETIMES IT TAKES TWO OR THREE ROUNDS OF THAT LIGHT TO GET OVER THE BRIDGE.

AND JUST LAST MEETING, WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENT GOING ALONG THE SIDE THAT I GUESS ON THE NORTH SIDE.

SO AS PART OF THAT MEETING WITH TXDOT, IF YOU COULD JUST ASK IF THEY HAVE ANY PLANS OF MOVING THAT UP BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT COMING IN THAT COMING IN THE SOUTH PART OF BURLESON, WE HAVE A MONTHLY MEETING WITH TXDOT WHERE WE BRING THAT UP EVERY TIME AS A CRITICAL ELEMENT.

THEY DO HAVE SEGMENT TWO TO THIS, WHICH IS FROM WHERE THE TERMINATION OF THIS THE TERMINUS OF THIS PROJECT SOUTH.

BUT I DO KNOW THEY HAVE THE 917 BRIDGE PROJECT KIND OF AHEAD OF THAT, BUT IT'S STILL WE'RE PUSHING ON THAT AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

ANYTHING ELSE? OH, MY ONLY COMMENT IS THE KEY, AND YOU SAID IT, IT'S NOT FUNDED YET. SO WHEN YOU SAY IT COULD BE TWO YEARS, IT COULD BE TWENTY TWO YEARS.

SO MY POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS THIS SCHEMATIC CAN CHANGE 15 TIMES OVER.

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AND THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, OH, YEAH, YEAH.

AND THEN THE LONGER IT GOES, YOU'LL DO IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

SO TO ME, THE VERY KEY TO IT IS IF THEY SAY IT'S NOT FUNDED, THEY DON'T KNOW THEMSELVES WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE FUNDED.

SO AND IT'D BE WONDERFUL.

DON'T GET ME WRONG, BUT I'M NOT.

I'M NOT THINKING THAT I'M GOING TO LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO SEE THIS.

I TAKE THAT BET. THANK YOU'RE NOT FAR BEHIND IN THERE.

WHAT CAN I SAY? WELL, ONE THING ABOUT IT, I GUESS IN 2036, MAYBE THE FUROR OVER ROUNDABOUTS WILL BE REPLACED BY THE ONE OVER A DIVERGING DIAMOND INTERSECTION ON 1187.

FACEBOOK WILL LIGHT BACK UP IF IT'S STILL AROUND BY THEN.

SO, YEAH, I'M DOWN WITH THIS ONE LITTLE DETAIL.

I DIDN'T I DON'T EVER FIND ANY COMFORT IN IS WE DO HAVE THE INTENT OF COMPLETING HEMPHILL, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT IT'S CONNECTED ALL THE WAY UP TO 1187.

IT'S ALMOST BECOMING KIND OF A [INAUDIBLE] ROUTE, BUT YET IT COMES TO BURLESON AND IT DIES AT ALSBURY.

I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ON THIS PLAN THAT ACCOMMODATES THE TERMINUS OF HEMPHILL INTO EITHER HILLARY STREET OR THE FRONTAGE ROAD, EITHER OF WHICH WOULD PROBABLY WORK, BUT IT WOULD BE. I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THAT'S EVER GOING TO EVEN BE FEASIBLE.

WE AT ONE POINT IN TIME, WE MADE THE CONCLUSION THAT WE WOULD NEVER COMPLETE HEMPHILL DOWN INTO OLD TOWN AND ALLOWED A DEVELOPER TO BUILD A PROJECT THAT ALMOST MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE TO DO NOW.

BUT THEN, AFTER THE DEPOT AND MAIN BECAME A REALITY, WE CUT OFF THE POSSIBLE EXTENSION OF MAIN STREET TO GO UP AND BE THE RELIEVER ROUTE THROUGH THERE.

SO NOW WE CUT OFF THAT OPTION, TOO.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE OF TRYING TO GET HEMPHILL CONNECTED, BUT I STILL FEEL LIKE IT'S AN IMPORTANT ROUTE, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT IT'S BEEN CONNECTED FURTHER AND FURTHER THROUGH.

I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING ON THIS THAT MIGHT SHOW HOW THAT CAN HAPPEN IF WE'RE GOING TO SWING IT FROM FROM WHERE IT COMES NOW AROUND THE THE OLD, THE DEVELOPMENT THERE OUT INTO THE FIELD, WHERE THE GAS LINE GAS WELL IS IF WE'RE GOING TO SKIRT SOUTH OF THE GAS, WELL, SOMEHOW ANOTHER MAKE A ROUNDABOUT CONNECTION WITH HILLARY AND CONTINUE ON UNDER THE BRIDGE OR SOMETHING.

I'VE SEEN SOME SCHEMATICS OF THAT.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE GAS WELL SITE PREVENTS THAT FROM HAPPENING OR WHETHER WE COULD ACQUIRE A SLIVER OF THAT TO MAKE IT POSSIBLE.

I DON'T KNOW. I'D LIKE TO SEE IT.

OK. I HAD A CITIZEN GIVE ME AN EMAIL TALKING ABOUT HEMPHILL AND THEY CALL.

DAN, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME ON THIS.

WHAT'S A COLLECTOR STREET CALLED HEMPHILL A COLLECTOR STREET? STREETS ARE BASICALLY CLASSIFIED AS RESIDENTIAL STREETS, COLLECTOR STREETS, MINOR MAJOR COLLECTORS AND THEN THOROUGHFARE STREETS, MAJOR THOROUGHFARES, MINOR THOROUGHFARES, ETC.

SO IT'S JUST REALLY SORT OF A GUIDELINE AS TO THE PURPOSE, THE FUNCTION OF THE STREET.

YOU KNOW, A TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WILL HAVE RESIDENTIAL STREETS BREAKING OFF INTO CUL DE SACS AND VARIOUS THINGS, AND THEN THEY'LL COME TOGETHER IN A SLIGHTLY WIDER STREET THAT YOU CALL THE COLLECTOR BECAUSE COLLECTING ALL THE TRAFFIC FROM THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. OK.

THIRTY FIVE BEEN FUNDED FOR ANYTHING? NO, SIR. THAT THIS PROJECT, RIGHT? NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. I NOTICED SOME OF THE PEOPLE ON THIRTY FIVE HAVE BEEN GETTING NOTICES FROM TECH START ABOUT TESTING OR SOME STUFF LIKE THAT.

I WAS WONDERING IF THERE'S..

THEY MAY BE DOING SOME GEOTECH TESTING IN ANTICIPATION OF THIS PROJECT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD BE FOR.

IT WAS AN AWFULLY SIMPLE LETTER, SO NOBODY KNEW WHAT KIND OF TESTING IT WAS.

IT SAID, I DO NOT KNOW, BUT I CAN FIND OUT.

OKAY. DO YOU THINK THESE ADDITIONS RIGHT HERE IS GOING TO HELP ANY OF THE TRAFFIC GOING NORTH ON THIRTY FIVE? ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, THERE'S WHAT I'M NOT SHOWING ON HERE IS THERE'S MORE MORE MAIN LANES.

THIRTY FIVE ADDITIONAL LANES.

I THINK IT'S FIVE LANES NORTHBOUND FIVE SOUTH.

AT ONE POINT IT GOES DOWN TO FOUR LANES.

BUT IF THAT'S THE CASE, I'M FOR ALL OF THIS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOME OF OUR BACKUPS RIGHT THERE. YEAH, IT'S WIDENING IT ALL THE WAY UP TO TWENTY.

EXCELLENT. IS EVERYBODY STILL ON BOARD? IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GOT IT, PAUL.

OK, THANK YOU. OK.

ALL RIGHT, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THAT'LL BRING US ON TO ITEM 7C, RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD A

[C. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction on the preliminary financial overview of the general fund, upcoming budget process for fiscal year 2022-2023 and receive any additional direction from City Council regarding the annual budget for fiscal year 2022-2023. (Staff Presenter: Martin Avila, Finance Director) ]

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MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FUNNY TO SAY WE'RE JUST GOING TO GET THROUGH THIS, OK? THREE SOME FOCAL POINTS IN REGARDS TO THIS PRESENTATION.

WE'RE WE FINISHED OUR YEAR END AUDIT.

WE CLOSED OUT FISCAL YEAR 2021.

WE ARE IN FISCAL 2022.

WE'RE GOING TO START GETTING READY FOR OUR BUDGET PROCESS OF 23 AND THAT'S ALWAYS THE CYCLE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS IS IN PREPARATION FOR OUR FOR OUR BUDGET PROCESS, WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THAT BUDGET OVERVIEW.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT PRESENTATIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BRING TO YOU IN THE UPCOMING MONTHS.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE GENERAL FUND AND WHAT WE HAVE, WHAT WE SEE AND SOME ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE HAVE.

AND ALL OF THAT IS UP FOR DISCUSSION AND PROVIDE US SOME DIRECTION IN REGARDS TO THAT.

SO IN THE PRESENTATION TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON THE BUDGET.

WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH IS A KEY FOCUS AND A KEY STARTING POINT FOR OUR BUDGET PROCESS.

WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH BUDGET AREAS.

WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG PORTION OF OUR BUDGET PROCESS TO BEGIN WITH.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT COST CONTAINMENT INITIATIVES, THE BUDGET PROCESS, AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE GENERAL FUND ASSUMPTIONS AND THEN PRELIMINARY GENERAL FUND OVERVIEW. AND THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 60 SLIDES.

SO I AM SO SORRY.

IN REGARDS TO THAT.

BUT AGAIN, I'M JUST KIDDING.

BUT AGAIN, THE OVERALL BUDGET.

AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT WE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL.

WE HAVE A TOTAL BUDGET OF ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY FIVE MILLION DOLLARS, AND TODAY WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON THE GENERAL FUND.

THE GENERAL FUND IS ONE OF THE LARGEST FUNDS IN THE OPERATION, SO THAT IS ALWAYS THE CRITICAL PART OF OF WHAT WE DO.

IT PROVIDES FOR ALL OF OUR GENERAL SERVICES.

STRATEGIC FOCUS AREA.

WE GOT FOUR KEY POINTS THAT WE KIND OF TAKE OUR OUR STRATEGIC GOALS.

WE KIND OF BASE EVERYTHING AROUND THESE CATEGORIES.

WE TALK ABOUT OPERATIONAL EXCELLENCE.

WE TALK ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE TALK ABOUT COMMUNITY AND PUBLIC SAFETY.

SO THOSE ARE THE FOUR KEY AREAS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING OFF OF CURRENTLY.

AND IT DOES SERVE AS A ROADMAP IN REGARDS TO WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO, HOW WE'RE GOING TO PROCESS OUR LONG TERM GOALS AND OUR OBJECTIVES AS WELL.

AND AGAIN, THEN WE ALSO HAVE THESE SPECIFIC WORK PLAN ITEMS THAT ARE TIED TO THOSE STRATEGIC GOALS AND THOSE CHANGED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS DEPENDING ON THE DIRECTIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING AND WHAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON.

THERE WAS A MARCH 1ST COUNCIL DID HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN RETREAT.

WE WILL WE WILL TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND WE WILL BE UPDATING A PLAN ACCORDINGLY.

AND THEN THE WORK PLAN ITEMS THAT THE STAFF WILL FOCUS ON FOR 2023 WILL BE IDENTIFIED BASED UPON THOSE THOSE UPDATES.

KEY FOCUS AREAS FOR THE UPCOMING BUDGET, AGAIN, WE ALWAYS LOOK AT OUR REVENUES, WE ALWAYS MONITOR OUR REVENUES, WE SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT YOU'LL SEE SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT IS PRIMARILY IN THE GENERAL FUND IS MADE UP OF PROPERTY TAX AND SALES TAX.

AND SO THOSE ARE KEY MONITORS THAT WE LOOK AT, BUT WE LOOK AT ALL THE REVENUE SOURCES AS PART OF OUR OVERSIGHT.

WE UPDATE OUR FIVE YEAR FINANCIAL PROJECTIONS FOR ALL OPERATING FUNDS, AND YOU WILL SEE IN THE UPCOMING MONTHS THOSE PRESENTATIONS WILL BE COMING IN AS WELL.

PROJECTIONS AND ASSOCIATED ACTION PLANS WILL BE UPDATED ACCORDINGLY, BASED UPON WHAT WE'RE SEEING BASED UPON OUR ASSUMPTIONS AND THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE US TO GO TO.

ENHANCE PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES.

AGAIN, WE'VE HAD A FIRE AND AND POLICE OPERATIONAL STRATEGIC PLANS THAT WE WILL FOCUS ON WILL FOCUS ON TRANSITIONING THE FIRE BASED MEDICAL TRANSPORT IN REGARDS TO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THERE. WE WILL ALSO INCORPORATE FIRE STATION FOUR OPERATING AND EQUIPMENT COSTS AS PART OF THE FIVE YEAR PROJECTIONS ALIGN WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF FIRE STATION NUMBER FOUR. WE'LL CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN COMPETITIVE COMPENSATION PLAN AND THAT'S A CRITICAL PART. A BIG PART OF OUR OF THE CITY'S RESOURCES AND OUR EXPENDITURE IS PERSONNEL COSTS, AND THAT IS UNLESS IS PRETTY MUCH THE PUBLIC SERVICE PART OF WHAT WE DO.

AND SO THAT'S ALWAYS AS AGAIN AS WE'RE DEALING WITH DFW AND SO MANY OTHER CITIES WERE COMPETING FOR THOSE SAME TYPES OF RESOURCES.

SO AGAIN, THE COMPENSATION OF THE BENEFITS AS A KEY, A KEY PROCESS THAT THAT WE NEED TO

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AGAIN, WE CAN DEVELOP CAPACITY FOR CASH FUNDING CAPITAL PROJECTS.

THAT IS SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION.

WE ARE AT. WE MENTIONED THIS EARLIER AND DURING OUR OUR AUDIT RESULTS AND OUR FINANCIAL REPORTS. WE ARE AT ABOUT 40 PERCENT OF FUND BALANCE.

AND SO THERE WERE SOME DIRECTIONS THERE IN REGARDS TO HOW WE GO ABOUT APPROACHING THAT GOING FORWARD. THERE'S BEEN TALKS IN THE PAST ABOUT IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD CASH FUND CAPITAL PROJECTS? AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE INCORPORATING AS WELL AS PART OF OUR PROCESS GOING FORWARD. AND AGAIN, TO BE CONSERVATIVE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO KNOW AT SOME SUMMIT DEVELOPMENT IS COMING INTO THE PICTURE.

IT'S HARD TO ANTICIPATE HOW THAT DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO WORK AND HOW MANY HOW MANY PROPERTIES ARE GOING TO BE COMING UP AT THE, YOU KNOW, OVER A PERIOD OF TIME.

SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE INCORPORATING THAT IN OUR FUTURE PROJECTIONS.

BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE ARE PRETTY MUCH ALIGNING THE THOSE PROJECTED REVENUES WITH OUR CASH FUNDING PROJECTS AS WELL.

SO IF THAT DOES NOT WORK, THEN WE WILL THEN REDUCE THOSE CASH FUNDING PROJECTS ACCORDINGLY. SO THAT IS THAT IS THE FOCAL POINT THAT I'LL SHOW YOU WHEN WE GO FORWARD IN REGARDS TO THAT PRESENTATION.

AND AGAIN, THE MAIN THING AS WELL IS ALWAYS TO MAINTAIN THE FUND BALANCE WITHIN OUR FUND BALANCE GUIDELINES.

AND SO THAT'S ALSO AN IMPORTANT PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING THESE FINANCIAL PROJECTIONS AND AS WE PREPARE FOR OUR 2023 BUDGET PROCESS.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

AND THEN SOMETHING WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS IS TRANSPARENCY AND COMMUNICATION WITH THE PUBLIC.

IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THAT WE CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO THEM.

AND AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE IN CONTINUATION OF WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PRIOR YEAR.

PUBLISH BUDGET INFORMATION ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, IDENTIFY AND ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL'S PRIORITIES OVER THE COMING MONTHS.

THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT AS WELL AND THEN INCORPORATE ALL THE INFORMATION ON THE CITY WIDE SURVEY THAT'S BEEN GOING OUT.

AND HOW DO WE GET THOSE RESULTS AND HOW DO WE INCORPORATE THAT AS WELL AS WE'RE PREPARING FOR THIS BUDGET? SO THE GOOD THING ABOUT ABOUT STARTING AT THIS POINT IS THAT IT ALLOWS US TO PROVIDE AND FOR THE NEXT FEW MONTHS HOW WE'RE GOING TO APPROACH OUR BUDGET PROCESS AND WHERE OUR FOCUS IS IS GOING TO BE.

AND THEN THE FINAL THING AS WELL IS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE A FIVE YEAR UPDATE.

WE ARE SO PROVIDED THE NEEDED OPERATIONAL IMPACTS THAT THOSE THOSE CAPITAL PROJECTS WILL HAVE AS WELL. EVEN THOUGH WE INCREASE FIRE STATION, FOR EXAMPLE STREETS IS WHAT EXACTLY IS THAT OPERATIONAL IMPACT IN REGARDS TO TO THOSE CAPITAL PROJECT PROGRAMS. WE WILL CONTINUE TO TO MONITOR THE OUTSTANDING CIP BALANCES.

WE'LL CONTINUE TO REVIEW IF PROJECTS ARE POSTPONED AND THERE IS AVAILABLE DOLLARS THERE.

WHERE DO WE PUT THOSE DOLLARS FORWARD? WE JUST DON'T LEAVE THEM THERE ASSIGNED TO THAT PROJECT.

EVEN THOUGH THAT PROJECT IS GOING TO BE NOT STARTING TWO YEARS FROM NOW, WE'RE GOING TO REALLOCATE AND NOT JUST LEAVE THOSE DOLLARS THERE.

SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART AS WELL.

CONTINUE TO REVIEW CAPITAL PROJECTS AND PROJECTS OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

SO THAT'S THE WHOLE FOCUS OF THAT CP PLAN AND DETERMINE ANY REALLOCATION OF AVAILABLE FUNDS, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER.

AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT REVIEWING THE COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS OF WE IN OUR PROJECTIONS, WE ARE HAVE A THREE POINT FIVE MERIT INCREASE.

WE'VE DONE THAT AND WE HAVE THAT IN OUR PROJECTION.

AND THAT IS ALWAYS A PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE CAN HAVE.

AGAIN, H.R.

IS ALWAYS LOOKING AT THE MARKET VALUES IN THE MARKET AS IT RELATES TO THE OTHER CITIES AND HOW THEY ARE PROVIDING AND THEY'RE PAYING THEIR RESOURCES AS IT RELATES TO PUBLIC SAFETY FOR ENGINEERS, FOR FIREFIGHTERS AND IN ALL DIFFERENT AREAS OF OUR OF OUR PUBLIC SERVICE. AGAIN, ACTUAL RECOMMENDATION COMPENSATION WILL DEPEND ON MARKET ANALYSIS.

IT WILL DEPEND ON ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT.

IT'LL CONTINUE ON FINANCIAL CAPABILITIES.

AND SO ALL OF THOSE FACTORS, AGAIN, AS WE DEAL WITH THE HIGHEST BUDGET SOURCE IN OUR GENERAL FUND, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE GENERAL THAT THE REVENUES WILL BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THOSE THOSE COSTS AS THEY CONTINUE TO INCREASE OVER TIME.

NO INCREASES ARE PROJECTED IN OUR IN OUR PUBLIC INSURANCE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND.

WE'RE NOT PROJECTING ANY INCREASES IN OUR CONTRIBUTIONS.

AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT PROJECTING ANY INCREASES IN OUR EMPLOYEE COSTS FOR INSURANCE PREMIUMS. SO THAT THAT'S THAT'S A PLUS THAT WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO PROJECT THAT. BUT AGAIN, THAT THAT REVIEW IS ON A YEAR TO YEAR BASIS GOING FORWARD.

SO THAT'S THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT DOING THIS UPCOMING YEAR.

WE DID IT THIS PAST YEAR.

WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE EXCITED THAT WE DON'T HAVE AS AS MANY CLAIMS AND THERE'S THE WELL-BEING OF OUR OF OUR EMPLOYEES.

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AND NOW, SINCE WE'RE SELF-INSURANCE FUND IT, THAT COULD ALWAYS CHANGE.

SO WE LOOK AT THAT ON ANY YEAR TO YEAR BASIS.

COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS WILL BE DISCUSSED LATER SOMETIME IN JUNE.

HR WILL COME IN AND PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION GOING FORWARD.

COST CONTAINMENT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE'VE WE'VE REDUCED 13 FTES FOR AN ANNUAL SAVINGS OF ONE POINT SEVEN MILLION, THAT IS THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S OUT THERE AND THAT WE'VE CONTINUED TO TO CARRY OVER IN REGARDS TO THAT PARTICULAR ITEM. THE GOAL OF THE BUDGET IS TO MAINTAIN THESE STAFFING REDUCTIONS.

THAT IS AN IMPORTANT PART AND THAT WE CONTINUE TO EVALUATE POSITIONS AS IT RELATES TO TO ATTRITION. AND SO AS PEOPLE LEAVE THAT AS A WHOLE PROCESS, DO WE NEED THAT POSITION AND HOW DO WE GO FORWARD TO THAT? WE CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS AND IMPLEMENT.

WE'RE GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTING A LEAN GOVERNMENT PROCESS GOING FORWARD AND THEN THAT WILL ALLOW US TO SEE WHERE THAT WE HAVE.

WHERE CAN WE PROVIDE SOME EFFICIENCIES IN OUR PROCESSES? AND THAT WILL THERE WILL BE SOME PRESENTATIONS AS WELL AS IT RELATES TO LEAN GOVERNMENT.

SO THAT'S COMING UP.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FOR DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL IS TO LIMIT THE LEVY GROWTH TO THREE PERCENT.

THAT IS AN ASSUMPTION THAT WE HAVE FOR EXISTING PROPERTIES, PLUS NEW CONSTRUCTION ADDED TO THE TAX ROLL.

SO THAT COULD BE A DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE IN REGARDS TO ONCE WE START TALKING ABOUT THE FINANCIAL. THE GENERAL FUND OVERVIEW PROVIDES WHAT THIS DOES, THOUGH BY ALLOWING US TO TO TO INCORPORATE A THREE PERCENT TAX LEVY, IT ALLOWS US TO TO CONTINUE TO DEAL WITH INFLATIONARY ADJUSTMENTS.

IT'LL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE FOR ANY INCREASES IN COMPENSATION THAT WE'RE PROVIDING TO OUR TO OUR STAFF.

AND THEN ALSO IT'LL BE IN LINE WITH SB TWO, WHICH IS A BIG SENATE BILL THAT PRETTY MUCH LIMITED THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE THAT COULD.

YOU COULD ONLY INCREASE IT BY THREE POINT FIVE.

IT GOES BEYOND THREE POINT FIVE THAT IT NEEDS TO GO TO TO THE VOTERS TO ALLOW YOU TO INCREASE THAT. SO THOSE ARE THE COMPONENTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND THOSE ARE THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING AS IT RELATES TO COST CONTAINMENT.

AND AGAIN, TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE, COST WILL BE RECOMMENDED TO BE SHARED TRANSFERRED TO MORE RESTRICTIVE AREAS.

AGAIN, WE COULD LOOK AT COSTS, HOW MUCH OF THE COST THE GENERAL FUND IS HAVING.

CAN WE PUSH TO 4B, HOW MUCH COST CAN WE PUSH IT 4A? HOW MUCH COST CAN WE PUSH TO THE TIF 2? IT'S REALLY THE ALLOWING TO BE ABLE TO TO ALLOW THOSE MORE RESTRICTIVE COSTS AND RELIEVE SOME OF THAT FROM THE GENERAL FUND.

AND THOSE ARE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT AS PART OF THIS BUDGET PROCESS AS WELL. WE ALSO PROVIDED COMPLETED A COST ALLOCATION STUDY, AND WITHIN THIS STUDY, IT IS ALLOWING US TO CAPTURE AN ADDITIONAL SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND IN COST RECOVERY FOR ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES FOR THE GENERAL FUND.

AND WHAT THIS IS THAT THIS IS JUST GENERAL FUND ADMINISTRATION PROVIDES SERVICES FOR ALL THE FUNDS THAT ARE OUT THERE IN REGARDS TO PROVIDING PAYROLL FOR OTHER FUNDS.

SO THIS IS A MECHANISM TO ALLOW THOSE SERVICES TO BE REIMBURSED BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND AND BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT.

AND THAT AND THAT IS WHAT THAT ALLOCATION STUDY WAS ALLOWING US TO DO.

WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT ARPA FUNDS TO ENSURE HOW MUCH OF THOSE FUNDS CAN BE REIMBURSED INSTEAD OF USING GENERAL FUND DOLLARS AS WELL.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER FOCAL POINT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

AND THEN AGAIN, ALL OTHER EXPENSES WILL BE VALUED AND RECOMMENDED AS APPROPRIATE AND SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS WE BROUGHT FORWARD IN FUTURE AND FUTURE ROAD WORK SESSIONS.

SO THAT THAT'S THE WHOLE BASIS OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT AS WE APPROACH OUR 2023 BUDGET PROCESS GOING FORWARD, AGAIN, AS PART OF THIS OVERVIEW, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE DEALING WITH THESE FINANCIAL PROJECTIONS AND THE ASSUMPTIONS WE'LL CONTINUE TO REFINE THOSE IN THE UPCOMING MONTHS.

AND AGAIN, WE'LL ALWAYS EVERY TIME WE COME BACK WITH A PRESENTATION, WE WILL ALWAYS ASK COUNCIL TO PROVIDE US ANY FEEDBACK, NOT JUST IN THAT TOPIC, BUT IN THE PREVIOUS TOPICS.

YOU KNOW, THERE WILL BE A LOT OF INFORMATION PROVIDED TO YOU TODAY.

IT'LL JUST GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO THINK ABOUT THAT AND THEN ALLOW US TO HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS GOING FORWARD.

WE WILL ALWAYS BE ASKING CITY COUNCIL TO PROVIDE US THAT DIRECTION.

AND AGAIN, A LOT OF THESE ARE OVERVIEWS, ASSUMPTIONS AND IN IT'S MORE SO HOW DO WE INCORPORATE ALL OF THAT, NOT JUST IN THE GENERAL FUND, BUT EVERY OTHER FUND THAT WE'RE GOING TO BRING UP DURING THIS PROCESS, CITIZEN FEEDBACK DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS? WE'RE GOING TO BE PROVIDING VIDEOS IN REGARDS TO THE BUDGET PROCESS.

WE'RE GOING TO BE PROVIDING ANY UPDATES IN REGARDS TO ALL OF THESE, ALL OF THESE PRESENTATIONS AS WE START THE BUDGET PROCESS TODAY GOING FORWARD.

ALL OF THOSE PRESENTATIONS WILL BE OUT THERE, SPECIFICALLY UNDER A BUDGET.

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WE DO WORK WITH THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT, WE'LL PROVIDE A A SURVEY TO SEE WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. BUT AGAIN, THE IDEA IS WE'RE HOPING THAT THIS CITIZEN SURVEY WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE US A LOT OF FEEDBACK AS WELL IN REGARDS TO THE IN DEPTH OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AND WHAT THEIR PRIORITIES ARE.

OVER THAT AGAIN OVER THE COMING MONTHS, ADDITIONAL FUNDS WE PRESENTED.

AND AGAIN, WE'RE STARTING WITH THIS PARTICULAR MONTH WITH THE GENERAL FUND AND THE BUDGET PROCESS OVERVIEW.

BUT AS YOU GO FORWARD IN APRIL, IT IS GOING TO BE A VERY BUSY NEXT FEW MONTHS FOR THE FINANCE DIRECTOR. JUST LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT I'M EXCITED.

AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IN APRIL.

WE'RE GOING TO BRING THE 4A, THE 4B AND PARKS PERFORMANCE FUND AND GOLF FINANCIAL OVERVIEW. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE FIVE YEAR CIP PLAN FOR PARKS.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME OPERATIONAL UPDATES, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE NEW FOR THIS YEAR. WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE OPERATIONAL UPDATES FOR THE 4B PARKS AND GOLF FUNDS AND DEPARTMENTS.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT 4A CORPORATION AND THEIR OPERATIONS AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AND AGAIN, THESE COULD CHANGE OVER TIME, DEPENDING ON HOW THE SCHEDULE LOOKS.

AND RIGHT NOW IN APRIL, WE DO HAVE THE CITIZEN SURVEY RESULTS THAT MAY BE ABLE TO MOVE DEPENDING ON HOW THAT DATA IS COMING.

IN MAY, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE DEBT SERVICE FUND IN GENERAL GOVERNMENT FIVE YEAR CIP PLAN.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE WATER DEBT SERVICE AND THE WATER CIP PLAN IN MAY.

AND AGAIN, YOU HAVE VARIOUS OPERATIONAL UPDATES IN REGARDS TO PUBLIC WORKS, POLICE, FIRE AND PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATIONS.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT THERE WILL BE A PRESENTATION IN THE PROCESS IMPROVEMENT, THE LEAN GOVERNMENT. AND AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN UPDATES BASED UPON THEM, THE MARCH FIRST COUNCIL RETREAT AS WELL.

AND THEN WE GET TO JUNE, AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN THAT FINAL STRETCH IN JUNE.

WE'RE IN THE MIDPOINT AGAIN.

THEY'LL HAVE, WE'LL HAVE ALL OF THE OTHER GOVERNMENTAL AND PROPRIETARY FUNDS.

SURVEY FINANCIAL OVERVIEW.

YOU'LL HAVE THE STRATEGIC PLAN UPDATE AS IT RELATES TO ALSO THE ERP, THE ENTERPRISE RESOURCE PLANNING.

YOU'LL HAVE OPERATIONAL UPDATES ON THE HOTEL MOTEL, THE TIFF AS WELL.

DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND COMMUNITY SERVICES.

YOU'LL HAVE HR BRINGING IN THE BENEFITS AND COMPENSATION PLANS, AND JULY WE'LL HAVE THE GENERAL FUND FINANCIAL UPDATE AND AGAIN, IT'LL BE WHAT WE TALK ABOUT TODAY AND WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE AT BASED UPON SOME OF THE DIRECTION THAT WE GET AS WELL.

WE'LL HAVE A CUSTOMER SERVICE OPERATIONS.

THE THREE ONE SYSTEM WILL HAVE THE TWENTY TWENTY THREE STRATEGIC PLAN PRESENTATION AS WELL. AND THEN AS WE GET TO AUGUST, THEN WE'LL HAVE THE WORK SESSION, THE CITY MANAGER'S WORK SESSION ON THE BUDGET.

WE'LL HAVE A AN ADDITIONAL ANY UPDATES IN THE MIDDLE BASED UPON THE RESULTS OF THAT OF THAT WORK SESSION. BUT WE'LL ALSO BE BE HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING ON BOTH THE BUDGET AND THE TAX RATE. AND THEN AS WE MOVE INTO SEPTEMBER, WE'LL BE APPROVING ALL OF THOSE BUDGETS AS THE FIRST ORDINANCE, FIRST HEARING, PUBLIC HEARING AND THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING.

AND AND THEN WE'LL PUSH THE TAX RATE AND THEN I'LL GET READY FOR THE AUDIT AGAIN.

AND SO THAT'S THE WHOLE CYCLE.

AND SO AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO THOSE PROCESSES, I AM GOING TO GET INTO THE GENERAL FUND OVERVIEW AND SO AS WE TALK ABOUT THE GENERAL FUND OVERVIEW AND YOU SAW THIS SPECIFICALLY WHEN THE AUDITORS PRESENTED THIS, THIS IS WHAT WE BUDGETED IN 2022 AND YOU HAVE TWO FOCAL POINTS OF PROPERTY TAX AND SALES TAX IS 73% OF THE REVENUES IN THE GENERAL FUND. AND THE LARGEST ONE IS AD VALOREM TAX.

SO THOSE ARE THE TWO FOCAL POINTS.

AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME SMALLER ONES YOU HAVE YOU COULD HAVE SOME WATER AND SEWER REIMBURSEMENTS, YOU HAVE A LICENSE AND PERMITS, INTEREST, FRANCHISE FEES, FINES AND FORFEITURE AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS OTHER SOURCES AND THEN THIS OTHER SOURCES.

WHAT THAT REALLY IS KIND OF LIKE.

IT'S A CATCHALL OF EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE JUST, IF NOT, YOU'LL HAVE ALL THESE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES GOING IN THERE, AND THIS PIE CHART WILL LOOK REALLY, REALLY CONVOLUTED, BUT THESE OTHER SOURCES PERTAIN TO.

WE HAVE COST ALLOCATIONS FROM GENERAL FUND ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS THAT WE CHARGE THE OTHER FUNDS WELL, THOSE ARE THOSE ARE ADMINISTRATIVE TRANSFERS THAT WE TRANSFER OVER.

AND SO THAT'S INCLUDED IN THERE.

YOU'LL HAVE WE CHARGE THE WATER FUND FOR WHAT WE CALL A PAYMENT IN LIEU OF TAXES.

WE DON'T PUT THAT AS PART OF THE AD VALOREM TAXES.

THAT'S A TOTALLY SEPARATE DOLLAR AMOUNT.

IT'S BASED UPON THEIR ASSETS, AND WE PROVIDE A RATE AGAINST THOSE ASSETS.

AND SO THAT'S A PORTION AS WELL.

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THAT'S ABOUT SEVEN HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT GETS BACK REIMBURSED FOR THOSE POLICE OFFICERS. SO ALL OF THAT IS WHAT PRETTY MUCH PERTAINS TO THOSE OTHER SOURCES.

JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA.

THEN THEN WE GO TO THE EXPENDITURES, AND AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT PUBLIC SAFETY, YOU LOOK AT POLICE, YOU LOOK FIRE.

YOU LOOK AT PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATIONS THAT MAKES UP FIFTY TWO PERCENT OF THE ENTIRE BUDGET. AND AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU LOOK AT IS IF YOU LOOK AT PUBLIC SAFETY AT FIFTY TWO AND YOU LOOK AT AD VALOREM FORTY SEVEN, THAT'S IN ESSENCE WHERE WE'RE AT IN REGARDS TO REVENUES AND WHERE THOSE REVENUES CAN BE GOING.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE TAX RATE IF YOU LOOK AT THE TAX RATE, HISTORICALLY, IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN ABOUT FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS PRIOR TO US MAKING THOSE REDUCTIONS.

IT WAS AT POINT SEVEN THREE FIVE ZERO.

AND AGAIN, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO NOTICE AS WELL IS THAT EVEN THOUGH THE TAX RATE STAYS THE SAME, THE TAX VALUES DO NOT.

AND SO THAT IS A FOCAL POINT ALSO THAT THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT. VALUES GO UP AND YOUR TAX RATE IS STAYING THE SAME, THEN YES, YOU ARE GENERATING MORE REVENUE AS IT RELATES TO THAT.

SALES TAX, IF YOU IF YOU HAVE THE SAME RATE BUT THE PRICES GO UP, YOU ARE PAYING MORE IN SALES TAX, BUT THE RATE STAYS THE SAME.

SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT FACTOR THAT WE WILL LOOK AT AS WE PREPARE FOR THIS BUDGET PROCESS AS WELL. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT FROM FROM FROM 17, 18, 19 AND 20, THE RATE STAYED PRETTY PRETTY HIGH AT POINT SEVEN THREE TO POINT SEVEN TWO.

AND AGAIN, THERE IS THAT FOCAL POINT THAT WHEN YOU'RE AT SEVEN THREE, AT SEVEN FOUR.

IF THE TAX LEVY GOES UP OR THE TAX VALUES GO UP, THEN YES, YOU ARE GENERATING MORE REVENUE EVEN THOUGH YOUR TAX RATE IS STAYING THE SAME.

JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU A THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.

SAME THING WITH SALES TAX AS WELL.

IF PRICES GO UP, YOU'RE STILL PAYING THE SAME RATE, BUT YOU'RE PAYING CITIZENS OR THE WHOEVER IS BUYING THAT IS PAYING MORE TAXES BECAUSE THE RATES ARE THE SAME, BUT THE PRICE IS MORE AND YOU'RE PAYING MORE IN THAT PRICE.

SO THAT'S THE TWO FOCAL POINTS.

AND AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT IS GOING FROM TWENTY TO TWENTY ONE TO TWENTY TWO.

WE HAVE BEEN TRYING VERY HARD TO REDUCE THAT TAX RATE.

AND SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT AS WELL.

SO WE HAVE A BALANCE BETWEEN THE TAX RATE GOING DOWN, BALANCING OUR FUND BALANCE AND ALSO REALIZING OUR SALES TAX CONTINUES TO GO UP.

AND HOW LONG WILL WE BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN THAT GOING FORWARD? AND SO THOSE ARE ALL THE BALANCES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN REGARDS TO THIS PROJECTION.

AND AGAIN, AS WE LOOK AT OUR PRIOR AND CURRENT ASSUMPTIONS WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN OUR EXISTING APPRAISED VALUE.

WE DO HAVE A THREE PERCENT INCREASE IN VALUES.

IT COULD BE FIVE. IT COULD BE SEVEN.

IT COULD BE TWO.

BUT WE FEEL THAT THAT IS A CONSISTENT FOCAL POINT OF HOW WE WANT TO GO ABOUT REFLECTING OUR BUDGET.

AGAIN, WE HAVE THREE POINT FIVE PERCENT IN OUR IN OUR COMPENSATION.

AND AGAIN, YOU HAVE A THREE PERCENT GROWTH, BUT WE HAVE A THREE POINT THREE POINT FIVE PERCENT IN OUR SALARIES.

AND SO THOSE ARE THE FOCAL POINTS THAT WE LOOK AT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN TO BE ABLE TO PAY OUR LABOR COSTS, OUR PERSONNEL COSTS OVER TIME.

AND SO THAT'S THAT'S AN IMPORTANT FACTOR AS WELL.

SO A LOT OF THESE A LOT OF THESE ASSUMPTIONS HAVE NOT CHANGED FROM PRIOR YEAR TO CURRENT, EXCEPT FOR SALES TAX GROWTH SALES TAX GROSS CONTINUES TO GROW.

IT IS A VERY VOLATILE TAX, BUT RIGHT NOW IT IS GROWING.

AND SO CURRENTLY FOR THIS PARTICULAR FISCAL YEAR, WE ARE GOING FROM A THREE PERCENT TO TEN POINT SEVEN. WE'RE GOING TO IDENTIFY THAT UP FRONT.

BUT AGAIN, GOING FORWARD, WE WANT TO STAY AT THREE PERCENT BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING TO TAKE US BECAUSE IT JUST CONTINUES TO GROW RIGHT NOW.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND WE'RE GOING TO PROJECT OUT WHERE THAT SALES TAX IS GOING TO TAKE US AS WELL.

AND THEN AGAIN, WE HAVE COMPENSATION AT THREE POINT FIVE PERCENT.

SO THOSE ARE THE ASSUMPTIONS.

THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE SALES TAX IS AT, IT IS GROWING AND AGAIN, HOW FAR I MEAN, AS WITH ANYTHING ELSE, AS THE CITY CONTINUES TO GROW, IT IS GOING TO GROW.

NOW HOW DOES THIS COMPETE WITH THE GAS PRICES? I DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU PAY FOR GAS GETS TO $4 A GALLON? AND THEN IS THAT GOING TO IMPACT THAT? YOU KNOW, WE JUST DON'T KNOW.

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THAT IS ONE THOUGHT PROCESS.

THIS AGAIN, WILL REDUCE ANY INTEREST COSTS TO FUTURE CAPITAL PROJECTS.

I KNOW WE HAVE THIS BOND PROGRAM OUT THERE.

THIS COULD ALLOW ADDITIONAL STREET PROJECTS OR ADDITIONAL ANYTHING GOING FORWARD THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THAT REALM THAT WE COULD ALSO INCORPORATE IN REGARDS TO THAT.

THE OTHER OPTION IS CURRENTLY WE HAVE AN INCREASE IN HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION OF ONE PERCENT EACH YEAR GOING FORWARD, WE CAN ACCELERATE THAT WE COULD DO MAYBE INSTEAD OF DOING ONE PERCENT, WE COULD DO TWO, WE COULD DO THREE.

IT IS AN OPTION AS WELL AS HOW WE COULD USE SOME OF THESE DOLLARS IN OUR NEXT BUDGET PROCESS CONTINUE WITH A THREE PERCENT INCREASE IN TAX LEVY.

AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE IS CAN WE CAPTURE THREE PERCENT OF OUR TAX BASE REGARDLESS OF WHERE IT'S GOING? AGAIN, LEAVING THE TAX RATE AS IT IS, BUT ALLOWING US TO TO OBTAIN THAT ADDITIONAL DOLLAR AMOUNT OF A THREE PERCENT GROWTH IN THE TAX VALUE AND NOT NECESSARILY REDUCING THE RATE ACCORDINGLY, BUT FOR THE GENERAL FUND.

IF WE TOOK, WE LOOK AT THAT THREE PERCENT, IT'S APPROXIMATELY ABOUT FIVE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS.

THAT'S IN ESSENCE WHAT WOULD ALLOW US TO CAPTURE AT THE SAME RATE WITH M&O RATE FOR THE GENERAL FUND. IF WE KEEP THAT RATE THE SAME AND THE TAX BASE GROWS UP, IT'S ABOUT FIVE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS.

JUST KIND OF AGAIN AS A THOUGHT PROCESS THERE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS WELL IN REGARDS TO THE PROPERTY TAX RATE OF.

SB2 HAS A THREE POINT FIVE PERCENT WINDOW BETWEEN THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE IS THE RATE IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO COLLECT THE SAME REVENUE AS YOUR BASE OF THE PREVIOUS YEAR.

THAT'S THE WHOLE FOCAL POINT.

BUT WHAT WHAT THE WHAT SB TWO ALLOWS YOU TO DO IS THAT YOU CAN YOU CAN TAKE THAT NO NEW REVENUE RATE AND YOU CAN GO UP THREE POINT FIVE PERCENT AND YOU'LL STILL BE WITHIN WITHIN THE THE THE REQUIREMENTS OF SB2.

YOU GO THREE POINT FIVE TWO.

NOW YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE VOTERS BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE IN EXCESS OF THAT THREE POINT FIVE.

WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR THE THREE POINT FIVE, WE'RE ASKING ABOUT THREE PERCENT.

WE'RE ASKING FOR A THREE PERCENT WINDOW AS REGARDS TO THIS TAX LEVY.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.

OUR PROJECTIONS AND AGAIN, IT'S OPEN FOR DISCUSSIONS AS WELL.

WE ARE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WE ARE TRYING TO RIGHT NOW, BASED UPON OUR PROJECTIONS, LOWER THE TAX RATE TO .680.

THAT IS ABOUT HALF A CENT OF THE TAX RATE.

AND AGAIN, IT COULD BE MORE.

IT COULD BE FOCUSING ON HOW THAT DIRECTION IS GOING TO BE IN REGARDS TO WHERE WE WANT TO GO IN THIS COMING PROCESS.

IF, SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE BASE VALUE GROWS FIVE PERCENT INSTEAD OF THREE PERCENT, THE PROJECTED RATE WOULD BE ABOUT .6764 PER HUNDRED DOLLAR VALUE.

NOW THAT IS ALLOWING US TO STILL CAPTURE THREE PERCENT OF THE TAX BASE.

IF THE VALUE GOES TO SEVEN PERCENT, THEN THE PROJECTED RATE WOULD BE ZERO POINT SIX SIX SEVEN THREE PER HUNDRED DOLLARS VALUE AGAIN, ALLOWING US TO CAPTURE THAT THREE PERCENT AS WELL. WHAT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT IS BUILDING CAPACITY FOR THE FIRE STATION, FOR OPERATIONS AND EQUIPMENT.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE.

AND AGAIN, AS YOU'RE DOING THESE, THESE PROJECTIONS OVER TIME, YOU ALSO WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU KNOW THERE ARE CERTAIN COSTS COMING IN THAT YOU NEED TO CAPTURE AS PART OF THE OPERATIONS, YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO PUT THAT IN THE YEARS THAT THAT THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE COMING IN.

SO YOU COULD ENSURE WHAT THAT IMPACT IS GOING TO BE ON ON THE REVENUES FOR THE GENERAL FUND. AGAIN, CHISOLM SUMMIT, WE ARE INCORPORATING THAT AS PART OF OUR PROJECTIONS, PROBABLY IN YEAR 2025 IS HOPING THAT WE'RE STARTING, THAT WE'RE GOING TO START GENERATING SOME TAX BASE.

BUT AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE ALIGNING THOSE DOLLARS IS FOR FUTURE CAPITAL OR FOR CASH PROJECT FUNDING. AND I'LL SHOW YOU THAT IN REGARDS TO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT IN OUR PROJECTION FINANCIAL OVERVIEW AND THEN AGAIN, ANY OTHER COUNCIL CONSIDERATIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE AS WE PREPARE FOR OUR BUDGET PROCESS IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.

THIS IS HOW THE FINANCIAL FORECAST LOOKS AGAIN.

WE STARTED WITH A 40 PERCENT FUND BALANCE, WE PROBABLY BASED UPON THE REVENUES AND THE

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BUT WE STILL HAVE A STRONG FUND BALANCE.

SO TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT GOING FORWARD, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, AGAIN, WHEN YOU SEE THAT PROPERTY TAX, YOU DO SEE A THREE PERCENT GROWTH PLUS NEW ADDITIONS, NEW IMPROVEMENTS, NEW CONSTRUCTIONS COMING INTO THE TAX VALUE.

SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING GROWING THERE.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT TECHNICALLY A THREE PERCENT GROWTH IN THE BASE AND THEN YOU HAVE IF WE GO BACK TO THE TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, NEW CONSTRUCTION VALUES, THOSE ARE THE VALUES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT BRINGING IN IN ADDITION TO THE BASE YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOR NEXT YEAR, ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE MILLION AND THEN ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY SEVEN HUNDRED AND THIRTY GOING FORWARD.

AND SO THAT'S THAT'S IN ESSENCE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT AS WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE PROPERTY TAX REVENUES.

YOU LOOK AT CHISOLM SUMMIT AND THOSE AGAIN ARE VERY PRELIMINARY NUMBERS, VERY CONSERVATIVE NUMBERS.

BUT AGAIN, ALL THOSE DOLLARS ARE ACTUALLY BEING REFLECTED AS PART OF THIS CASH FUNDING PROJECTS OF A MILLION DOLLARS.

THE EIGHT SIXTY ONE IS PROBABLY IT'S INCLUDED IN THAT MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE NEXT YEAR FOR CASH. SO IT IS THAT WINDOW THAT IF THOSE DOLLARS DO NOT COME IN, THEN WE DON'T WE WON'T DO THOSE CASH FUNDING PROJECTS FOR THAT YEAR.

IT IS JUST THE MATCHING OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PROJECT AND WHERE THOSE DOLLARS ARE GOING TO GO. THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION AS WELL.

WE HAVE GOING FORWARD THE ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE THOUSAND WILL BE A TWO PERCENT AND THEN YOU HAVE THREE PERCENT, FOUR PERCENT, FIVE PERCENT GOING FORWARD.

AND AGAIN, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS DO WE DO WE ACCELERATE THAT TO INSTEAD OF DOING A ONE PERCENT TO ONE PERCENT FOR THE NEXT YEAR? DO WE DO TWO? AND THAT WILL MAKE IT THREE PERCENT AND GOING FORWARD AS WELL.

AND AGAIN, YOU LOOK AT THE BASE EXPENDITURES, YOU LOOK AT SALES TAX, ALL OF THOSE ARE ALL BASED UPON OUR ASSUMPTIONS GOING FORWARD.

YOU HAVE OUR BASE EXPENDITURES, YOU HAVE A FUTURE SUPPLEMENTAL.

WE HAVE ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS WITH THE INCREMENT OF FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND GOING FORWARD, YOU HAVE CASH FUNDING PROJECTS, THE FOUR MILLION WE'RE PROPOSING FOUR MILLION IN 2023.

AND BIG PART OF THAT FOUR MILLION IS PROBABLY THE $3 MILLION THAT WE'RE GETTING BACK FROM THE ERF THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND.

THAT'S A PORTION THAT WE COULD ALSO UTILIZE TO HELP FOR THAT, FOR THAT FUND BALANCE.

SO AGAIN, ALL OF THESE FOCAL POINTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE ARE TRYING TO TAKE OUR 40 PERCENT DOWN TO THIRTY ONE AND WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE IT AT 30 PERCENT.

BUT AGAIN, OUR WE COULD GO DOWN TO TWENTY FIVE PERCENT IF NEED BE.

BUT THAT'S IN ESSENCE OUR FOCAL POINT OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS BECAUSE IN OUR YEAR FIVE AND TWENTY TWENTY SEVEN, WE'RE PROJECTING OUR FUND BALANCE TO BE AT TWENTY FIVE.

AND SO AND THAT'S TAKING INTO ACCOUNT EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO THAT? AND AGAIN, THIS WILL COME UP AGAIN WHEN WE BRING IT THE NEXT COUPLE OF OF OF FINANCIAL OVERVIEWS. WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE THAT POSSIBILITY IN THAT THAT SECTION THAT SAYS, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT? AND WE COULD BRING THAT UP AGAIN IN REGARDS TO THAT.

BUT HERE ARE THE THESE ARE THE CONSIDERATIONS.

AND AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THESE TODAY, BUT THOSE ARE THE DIRECTIONS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO TO GET FROM COUNCIL IS IS ARE YOU GOOD WITH THE BUDGET PROCESS? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO US TO TO THINK ABOUT AND PRESENT TO YOU ALL? OR A CHANGE IN THE FOCUS OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE PLAN TO CASH FUND CAPITAL PROJECTS APPROPRIATE.

DO YOU ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT? DOES THE COUNCIL WANT TO CONSIDER INCREASING THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION AT A FASTER RATE THAN PREVIOUSLY PROJECTED? THAT'S AN OPTION THAT WE COULD TALK ABOUT AS WELL.

DOES COUNCIL WANT TO CONSIDER FOCUSING ON LOWERING THE TAX RATE FURTHER? AND SO AS YOU LOOK AT THAT, THEN OTHER THINGS WILL HAVE TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AS WELL BECAUSE ONE FEEDS OFF THE OTHER.

IF YOU DO ONE, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO THE OTHER ONE AS WELL.

IS COUNCIL COMFORTABLE WITH INCREASING THE TAX BASE LEVY BY THREE PERCENT? AND AGAIN, THAT'S THE WHOLE FOCAL POINT IS IS EVEN THOUGH THE TAX RATE.

IS THE SAME.

IF THE IF THE VALUES GO UP, WE WILL GENERATE MORE REVENUE BECAUSE BASED UPON THE VALUE.

AND SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART.

IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT AND OR NOT? AND THAT'S IMPORTANT PART, TOO.

AND AGAIN, IT'LL ALLOW US TO STAY WITHIN OUR SP2 REQUIREMENTS GOING FORWARD AT THREE POINT FIVE. AND THEN ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS COUNCIL MAY HAVE IN REGARDS TO THIS PROCESS. AND THAT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION.

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I'M NOT COMPLAINING BRYAN.

ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING? ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MAY HAVE? WELL, I WOULD JUST SAY SOMETHING.

IT IS A LOT OF INFORMATION, BUT JUST JUST TO GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE BEFORE MARTIN ON THE FIRST QUESTION IS, THIS IS A LONG JOURNEY TO GO FROM WHERE WE ARE NOW TO GETTING YOU THE FINAL, MY RECOMMENDED BUDGET AND THEN THE COUNCIL ADOPTING YOUR BUDGET FOR THE COMING YEAR. SO YOU'VE GOT MANY MONTHS TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.

BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE BUDGET PROCESS.

IS THIS THE RIGHT LEVEL OF DETAIL? TOO MUCH, TOO LITTLE.

IT'S YOUR BUDGET PROCESS, NOT OURS, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME FEEDBACK TODAY ON IS DOES THIS KIND OF LAY OUT ALL THE ISSUES YOU THINK OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS ADEQUATELY FOR YOU? AND AGAIN, EACH OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS OR OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOU TO PROVIDE US FEEDBACK ALONG THE WAY, BUT I REALLY LIKE SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL.

IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT WHERE YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS BECAUSE WE DO HAVE TO START PLANNING THAT OUT OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.

AND THEN THESE OTHER THINGS ARE ALL INTERRELATED THAT ARE HERE, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU SEE THESE THESE ISSUES.

IF IF YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH CAPITAL PROJECTS FUNDING THAT WE'VE SHOWN YOU, THAT IT HAS IMPACTS ON THE OTHERS AND VICE VERSA.

SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO LAY OUT TO YOU.

HOPEFULLY, WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF LAYING IT OUT.

VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD WAY, BUT I KNOW IT IS A LOT OF INFORMATION AND IT IS GETTING A LITTLE BIT LATE. SO HOPEFULLY WE'VE GIVEN YOU THE ISSUES OUT THERE THAT YOU CAN GIVE US SOME FEEDBACK ON. I REALLY LIKE THE PROCESS, I LIKE HAVING A LITTLE BIT EVERY MONTH AND NOT GETTING IT CRAMMED DOWN OUR THROATS ALL AT ONCE.

SO YEAH, I'M VERY PLEASED WITH THAT AND I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF YOU MARTIN AND BRYAN TOO, BUT ANYWAY, MOSTLY YOU MARTIN.

I JUST WANT TO SAY MARTIN'S IS VERY NICE THIS EVENING.

WELL I THINK COUNCILMAN GREEN'S SUIT IS REALLY NICE.

NOW THIS IS THIS IS THE FORMAT'S GREAT, AND I APPRECIATE YOU ALL HELPING THE BEGINNERS HERE KIND OF WALK THROUGH THIS AND UNDERSTAND IT.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO US.

I'M GOING TO GO DOWN THE LIST HERE.

YES, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE BUDGET PROCESS.

I THINK IT'S GREAT. IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF TALKS, A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS.

EVERYBODY WILL GET A DEEP DIVE IN EVERYTHING.

I THINK THE PLAN TO CASH FUND CAPITAL PROJECTS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE A DEPENDS.

IT DEPENDS ON WHAT WE LEARN IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS WHEN WE HAVE THE BOND ELECTION THAT MAY AFFECT MY THINKING ON THAT.

FOR THE TIME BEING, I THINK IT'S A GOOD PLAN TO LOOK AT CASH FUNDING WHAT WE CAN IN ADDITION TO THE THE BOND PROGRAM.

IF IT DOES INDEED PASS, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO ANTICIPATE THAT IT DOES AND PLAN FOR THAT.

AND THEN ADJUST THE PLAN ON THE FLY, IF WE FIND OUT IT DOESN'T.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANT TO GO AT A FASTER RATE ON THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION.

I THINK WE'RE ON A TRACK FOR THAT.

NO, I THINK YOU'RE MAKING A HEALTHY LOWERING OF THE TAX RATE, I DON'T WANT TO GET IT TOO LOW BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE TOO RESTRICTED BY THE THREE POINT FIVE PERCENT IN AN IRR REQUIREMENT OF SB2, IF WE START OUT TOO LOW.

WE MAY GET IN A SITUATION WHERE GROWTH SLOWS DOWN.

THIS IS BASICALLY A GROWTH BASED BUDGET.

IT'S A GROWTH OF INFLATION THAT'S GOING TO CONTRIBUTE TO IT.

IT'S A GROWTH OF PROPERTY VALUE INCREASES AND A GROWTH OF NEW PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT, ALL OF WHICH ARE ANTICIPATED, ALL OF WHICH ARE NOT DEFINITE.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO KEEP OUR NUMBER CLOSE AND ADJUSTED, BUT NOT IN A WAY THERE THAT IF SOME OF THESE INDICATORS DON'T GO THE WAY WE PLAN AND HOPE THAT THEY DO THAT, WE'LL STILL BE ABLE TO KEEP OUR BUDGET HIGH ENOUGH IF WE HAVE TO.

SO THAT'S ABOUT ALL I GOT.

ANYBODY ELSE? YEAH.

MY ONLY THING.

AND THIS AGAIN GOES BACK TO BEING NEWS.

I THINK I WOULD LIKE A BETTER DISCUSSION AND PRESENTATION ON THE INCREASING THE BASE TAX LEVY BY THREE PERCENT AND THAT WHOLE THAT VERBIAGE GETS VERY CONFUSING TO THE CITIZENS AS WELL AS ME.

AND SO BECAUSE LAST YEAR, WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT CORRECT.

SO THIS IS GOING TO COME AT US A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY THIS YEAR FROM THE CITIZENS, AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO VERY CLEARLY EXPLAIN IT.

SO I'D LIKE TO GET A PRESENTATION SO ONE, WE CAN REFER PEOPLE TO IT.

AND MARTIN, I KNOW IT'S HARD BECAUSE YOU LIVE IN THIS WORLD.

I MEAN, I'VE HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH BRYAN.

EVEN YOU GUYS LIVE IN THIS WORLD ALL DAY, EVERY DAY.

BUT THINK ABOUT THOSE OF US WHO DON'T, SO MAKE IT AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE SO WE CAN DIGEST IT AND THEN BE ABLE TO REGURGITATE IT AND EXPLAIN IT TO THE END USERS OURSELVES, IF NEED BE RIGHT. AND THEN I THINK THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I HAD, WHICH WAS FUNNY BECAUSE THIS WAS

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YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO A DEEPER PRESENTATION ON THE OPERATIONS OF 4A AND 4B. AND I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO ASK FOR THAT.

A FULL ON. IT'S THOSE HAVE BEEN AROUND NOW ABOUT 20 YEARS, I THINK, AND I'VE HAD PEOPLE ASKING, HOW DID THEY COME ABOUT TO BE? WHY, WHY DO WE HAVE THESE OTHER CITIES DON'T HAVE THEM? WHY DO WE HAVE THEM? SO COULD YOU WHEN YOU DO THAT? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT FALLS ON A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT OR IF YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE THIS IS HOW THEY CAME ABOUT.

THIS IS HOW THEY OPERATE. THIS IS HOW MUCH MONEY GOES INTO THESE FUNDS ON A REGULAR BASIS. WE HAVEN'T HAD SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN A LONG TIME.

OH, THERE IT IS, I THINK I MAY HAVE GOTTEN IT OUT.

THANK YOU. SO THE THREE PERCENT BASE INCREASE? YOU KNOW, IT'S ESSENTIALLY AN INFLATIONARY ADJUSTMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE BECAUSE WE HAVE NO ABILITY TO GET IN MORE REVENUE WITHOUT CAPTURING SOME OF THAT GROWTH.

SALES TAX IS DIFFERENT AS PRICE OF GOODS RISES.

YOU GET A LITTLE BIT MORE REVENUE EACH YEAR FROM THAT.

SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHY WE'RE TRYING TO CALL ATTENTION TO IT.

THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO COME IN AT THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE.

IT USED TO BE CALLED THE EFFECTIVE RATE YEARS AGO.

BUT WE'VE MADE A LOT OF CHANGES IN THE ORGANIZATION THAT ALLOWED US TO CAPTURE SOME OF THOSE SAVINGS AND DO THAT OVER TIME.

YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN BEING AT THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE WITHOUT EVER CAPTURING ANY OF THAT GROWTH. SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE SOME NUMBER THAT YOU'D WANT TO PICK IF IT'S NOT THREE PERCENT, MAYBE IT'S TWO PERCENT OR ONE PERCENT OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER OF THE COUNCIL WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT WE CAN TRY TO BUDGET TO.

BUT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED SOMETHING THERE TO HAVE SUSTAINABILITY LONG TERM BECAUSE REMEMBER, YOU'VE GOT HALF OF YOUR ORGANIZATION IS BEING PAID FOR BY PROPERTY TAXES IF THEY NEVER GROW AT ALL.

ALL OF YOUR OTHER EXPENSES ARE GROWING AT THE SAME TIME, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A CROSSOVER POINT WHERE YOU'RE NOT SUSTAINABLE.

AND ONCE YOU MAKE A DECISION TO NOT RAISE ABOVE THAT EFFECTIVE RATE, IT'S GONE FOREVER.

AND THE WAY THE STATE LOOKS AT THAT CALCULATION, SO WE CAN BRING YOU MORE INFORMATION, AND I'M STILL PROBABLY TALKING A LITTLE GREEK ON SOME OF THAT STUFF, BUT WE'LL BRING THAT FORWARD AND TRY TO ILLUSTRATE THAT TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY TO SHOW YOU THAT.

BUT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET THAT ISSUE ON THE TABLE TO SAY, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH SOME TYPE OF INFLATIONARY ADJUSTMENT TO THE REVENUES? WE'D RECOMMEND THAT.

ANYBODY ELSE? I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE SOME OF THE THINGS LIKE I'VE BEEN KICKING AROUND, IS THIS THE TIME TO BRING THEM UP IF THEY AFFECT GENERAL FUND SUCH AS MONTHS AGO, I HAD SOME PARENTS CONTACTED ME ABOUT AN SRO AT THE BURLESON COLLEGIATE HIGH SCHOOL.

IT DOESN'T HAVE ONE, BUT CENTENNIAL AND BURLESON HIGH SCHOOL HAVE THEM, AND I THINK SOMETIMES ONE FLOATS.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW I HATE THAT THE POLICE CHIEF'S NOT HERE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THOSE CONVERSATIONS BEGAN.

I KNOW WE HAVE TO TALK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, BUT IT'S LOCATED AT KERR, AND KERR HAS SERIOUS SECURITY ISSUES.

IT'S JUST LOTS OF HIDING PLACES.

IT'S JUST IT'S A OLDER BUILDING.

AND SO I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

IF HAVING ANOTHER SRO ADDED, I KNOW WE ADDED TO THIS PAST BUDGET, POTENTIALLY PHASE ANOTHER ONE IN TO COVER THAT ADDITIONAL HIGH SCHOOL CAMPUS.

AND THEN I THINK THAT THERE'S EVEN NOT FULL COVERAGE NOW THAT THERE'S SEVERAL MIDDLE SCHOOLS. YOU KNOW, THERE'S TWO MAINSTREAM AND THERE'S STEAM AND STEM, THERE'S REALM.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY AND HOW THAT CONVERSATION TAKES PLACE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN ON MY RADAR THAT PARENTS HAD BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION.

THAT'S A SCHOOL CALL.

THEY HAVE TO CALL FOR THAT, THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES INVOLVED IN IT.

SO THEY WILL SAY, WE NEED A NEW SRO AND DOES THE CITY GO ALONG WITH US? I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU, WHICH WE'VE ALWAYS THE CITY'S ALWAYS SAID YES.

YEAH. BUT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THEIR CALL.

IF THEY FEEL IT'S NECESSARY, THEY'LL THEY'LL BRING IT UP, OK, GOOD TO KNOW.

WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MEDICAL TRANSPORT, I BROUGHT UP THE ENTERPRISE FUND AND I WOULD LIKE TO TALK SOME MORE ABOUT THAT AND UNDERSTAND HOW CAN WE BE MOST TRANSPARENT, THE MOST ACCOUNTABLE WITH THAT? IT'S GOING TO BE VERY NEW.

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HOW CAN WE BE CLEAR AND UPFRONT WITH CITIZENS? AS I MENTIONED, THEN WE'LL ALL BE WE'LL ALL.

THERE WILL BE DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN THESE SEATS.

THERE WILL BE DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN THE CHIEF'S POSITIONS AND AND SO ON.

SO I JUST THINK TO THE BENEFIT OF THE CITIZENS TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AND ACCOUNTABLE AS POSSIBLE, IF WE COULD EXPLORE THAT SOME MORE AND EXPLAIN OPTIONS AS FAR AS THAT GOES, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW AN ENTERPRISE FUND IS ESTABLISHED, BUT IN MY UNDERSTANDING, IS IT JUST THE WAY I SEE IT? IT WOULD JUST BE EASIER TO DIGEST RATHER THAN FOLDING IT INTO A $15 MILLION FIRE BUDGET IF IT'S CLEARLY DELINEATED FROM THAT.

AND THE OTHER ONE I HAD WAS WE TALKED ABOUT THIS DURING THE BOND CONVERSATIONS, THE PD JAIL STUDY.

DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IF IT'S A MASTER PLAN AND GEL STUDY, BUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT OPTIONS WE HAVE GOING FORWARD WITH THE JAIL.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE BEST TIME OR WHEN WE TALK ABOUT POLICE IN MAY, BUT JUST KIND OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT. SO WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TO LOOK FORWARD TO.

WE'LL BE GLAD TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE THINGS FOR YOU.

CERTAINLY, WE WILL EXPLORE THE SRO ISSUE A LITTLE FURTHER WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

THE JAIL STUDY IS SOMETHING I KNOW THE CHIEF AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT.

WE CAN TRY TO GET SOME CLASS INFORMATION AND PERHAPS WHEN WE PRESENT, I THINK IT'S MAY THAT THAT'S COMING BACK, THEN WE CAN TRY TO GIVE YOU THAT OTHER.

THERE IT IS. WE CAN TRY TO GIVE YOU THAT, THAT DETAIL ABOUT WHAT THAT COST IS SO WE CAN BUILD THAT IN. IN TERMS OF THE TRANSPORTATION FOR THE EMS. MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU IS THAT WE WOULD SHOW THAT AS A SEPARATE DIVISION OF FIRE.

SO YOU COULD SEE ALL OF THE COSTS VERY CLEARLY FOR THAT DIVISION, FOR EMS TRANSPORT SERVICES. SO WE CAN HAVE ALL OF THOSE AND THEN CLEARLY BREAK OUT AS A MAJOR REVENUE SOURCE FOR YOU IN ANY OF OUR PRESENTATIONS THAT WE'D SHOW THAT TRANSPORT REVENUE, SO YOU COULD SEE IT.

DOESN'T QUALIFY AS THE ENTERPRISE FUND.

BUT I THINK WE COULD STILL SHOW YOU THE SAME INFORMATION AND MAKE THAT COMPARISON AND PROVIDE THAT CONTEXT THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.

WE MAYBE AS WE COME FORWARD, MAYBE WE CAN SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF OPTIONS TO SEE THAT JUST PROVIDE THAT TRANSPARENCY THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

YOU GOT IT. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

RIGHT, THAT MOVES US ON TO ITEM 7D, RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PROVIDE

[D. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide feedback regarding Honey Tour. (Staff Presenter: Jen Basham, Director of Parks and Recreation)]

OUR STAFF PRESENTER THIS EVENING IS JEN BASHAM, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.

NOW THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S EXCITING.

ONE SECOND, I GOT TO LOG BACK IN.

MARTIN LOGGED ME OUT.

OK. ALL RIGHT.

GOOD EVENING, WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT HONEY TOUR.

GABRINA DANIELS IS HERE WITH US FROM THE CHAMBER, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY EVENT SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FROM THE RIDE SIDE, SHE'S ABSOLUTELY HERE TO GIVE YOU ANY REVENUE OR BREAKDOWN OF ANYTHING. BUT I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, SOME KEY INFORMATION AND THEN DISCUSS WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE THIS EVENING.

SO HONEY TOUR IS A BIKE RIDE THAT HAS BEEN HOSTED BY THE CHAMBER FOR OVER 20 YEARS.

THE BIKE RIDES RANGE FROM DISTANCES FROM SEVEN MILES TO SIXTY SEVEN MILES.

THEY HAVE NOT HOSTED THE EVENT SINCE 2019.

BUT IT'S BROUGHT THOUSANDS OF RIDERS AND THEIR FAMILIES TO BURLESON.

THE LAST YEAR THAT THEY DID HOST THE EVENT, IT GROSSED OVER FORTY EIGHT THOUSAND DOLLARS AND IT IS SCHEDULED TO RESUME IN MAY OF TWENTY TWENTY THREE.

SO WE HAVE A LITTLE OVER A YEAR UNTIL WE'RE ANTICIPATING BRINGING THIS BACK.

THE CHAMBER APPROACHED THE CITY AND ASKED IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO PARTNER TO CREATE A SIGNATURE SPECIAL EVENT, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN WORKING ON FOR THE LAST YEAR IS TRYING TO CREATE A SIGNATURE EVENT THAT REALLY SPEAKS TO THE COMMUNITY AND BRINGS IN PEOPLE FROM THE SURROUNDING AREAS.

AND WITH THE HONEY TOUR, THERE'S ALREADY AN EXISTING POPULAR BRAND.

IT'S VERY WELL RESPECTED EVENT, AND SO WE WOULD LIKE TO PARTNER AND SHOW SOME ADDITIONAL AMENITIES THAT WOULD ENHANCE THIS EVENT.

WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDING VENDORS, FOOD TRUCKS, LIVE MUSIC AND CARNIVAL.

THE WAY THAT WE WOULD SPLIT THIS PARTNERSHIP UP IS THE CHAMBER WOULD MANAGE ALL OF THE

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THE CITY WILL MANAGE THE CARNIVAL FOOD TRUCKS, MERCHANTS AND ENTERTAINMENT, AND WE WILL COLLABORATE ON MARKETING AND BRANDING, SPONSORSHIPS, COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AND VOLUNTEERS. THE PROJECTED COST FOR THIS.

THE BREAKDOWNS RIGHT THERE FOR YOU GUYS TO SEE, BUT WE'RE ANTICIPATING IT COSTING US A LITTLE OVER TWENTY THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS.

IT IS ELIGIBLE FOR HOT/MOT AND 4B EXPENDITURES AND WE'RE PROJECTING TO BRING IN $20000 FOR OUR FIRST YEAR. WE'RE BEING REALLY CONSERVATIVE WITH THAT.

IT COULD BE A LOT MORE THAN THAT, BUT WE WANTED TO BE CONSERVATIVE.

SO IT'S LOOKING LIKE THIS FIRST YEAR WILL COST US A LITTLE OVER THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS.

WITH THE OFFSET OF THE PROJECTED REVENUE AND IN FUTURE YEARS, WE'RE HOPING THAT WE NET NEUTRAL ON THIS AND WE WILL BE BUDGETING THIS AS PART OF THE TWENTY TWENTY THREE BUDGET PROCESS. BUT BECAUSE WE'D LIKE TO START KIND OF PROMOTING AND WORKING ON SPONSORSHIP PACKETS AND MARKETING, WE WANTED TO BRING THIS TO YOU NOW AND GET YOUR FEEDBACK PRIOR TO PROCEEDING. WE DID TAKE THIS BACK TO PARK BOARD BACK IN JANUARY, AND THEY WERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS. ANYBODY? THEY HAD ME AT, HELLO.

I'M YEAH, I'M TOTALLY DOWN.

AND A SHOUT OUT TO BOBBY AND CAROL WARD FOR THE HARD WORK THAT THEY DID AND KEEPING THIS THING GOING FOR SO MANY YEARS.

CERTAINLY, IF IT DIDN'T HAVE SUCH NAME BRAND RECOGNITION AS THE HONEY TOUR, I'D WANT TO CALL IT THE WOOLEN PAYNE.

BUT ANYWAY, WITH THAT SAID, I THINK IT'S A GREAT EVENT.

I THINK IT REALLY SHOWCASES THE CITY AND THE CHAMBER IN JUST THE BEST OF POSSIBLE WAYS.

SO I'M ALL FOR IT.

I'M REALLY GLAD TO SEE IT COMING BACK.

THIS IS EXCITING.

I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE RENTALS LIGHT TOWERS, SO THIS WOULD BE AN ALL SO IN YOUR VISION. OBVIOUSLY, THE RIDES HAPPENED IN THE MORNING, BUT ARE YOU THINKING THIS IS AN ALL DAY THING OR HOW? YES, THIS WOULD BE A MULTI-DAY EVENT, SO CARNIVAL TYPICALLY LOADS IT ON A TUESDAY. THEY HAVE LIKE A SOFT OPENING ON A WEDNESDAY.

THEY'RE THERE THROUGH SATURDAY, AND THEY START TO LOAD OUT ON SUNDAY OR MONDAY.

SO WE WOULD HAVE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, FOOD TRUCKS AND MERCHANTS EVERY DAY, SO IT WOULD BE A MULTI-DAY EVENT.

WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE LOGISTICS OF WHERE THE FOOTPRINT FITS, WHETHER IT'S IN OLD TOWN OR WHETHER WE NEED CHISENHALL BECAUSE IT IS A VERY LARGE FOOTPRINT THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED. SO THE LIGHT TOWERS ARE MORE FOR LIKE OUR MERCHANT VENDORS AND FOOD TRUCKS AND, YOU KNOW, LIGHTING SAFETY AREAS LIKE RESTROOMS. SO THEN THE THE PROFIT OF THIS GOES TO IT WOULD GO TO OFFSET THE COST FOR THE CITY.

SO FOR THE CARNIVAL, WE GET 10 PERCENT AND DOESN'T COST US ANYTHING TO BRING A CARNIVAL TO TOWN. WE JUST GET A PERCENT OF THE PROFIT AND THEN ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE WILL NEED FOR MARKETING AND ROAD CLOSURES AND VOLUNTEERS AND ALL OF THAT JAZZ.

YEAH, YEAH.

SOUNDS WONDERFUL, EVERYTHING BUT THE BIKE RIDE PART OF IT.

THAT'S BECAUSE I'M NOT RIDING A BIKE ANYWHERE.

YOU GUYS. EVERYBODY'S HAND.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, GUYS, APPRECIATE IT.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL THAT BRINGS US TO SECTION EIGHT.

[8. CITY COUNCIL REQUESTS FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS OR REPORTS]

CITY COUNCIL. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK ON A FUTURE WITH THE WITH THE AMOUNT OF CYBER CRIME, WITH THE AMOUNT OF HACKING, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

OBVIOUSLY DON'T WANT TO DIG DOWN INTO EXPOSING ANY WEAKNESSES OR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT WOULD LIKE KIND OF A HIGH END OVERVIEW OF OUR SYSTEMS, HOW SECURE WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, BUT DEFINITELY NOT EXPOSE ANYTHING THAT COULD COMPROMISE US, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF GO OVER THAT.

THAT'S IT.

OK MAYOR AND COUNCIL THAT BRINGS US TO SECTION NINE, EXECUTIVE SESSION, AND WE DO HAVE A

[9. RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION Pursuant to Section 551.071, Texas Government Code, the Council reserves the right to convene in Executive Session(s), from time to time as deemed necessary during this meeting for any posted agenda item, to receive advice from its attorney as permitted by law. Pending or Contemplated Litigation or to Seek the Advice of the City Attorney Pursuant to Section 551.071 Land Use, Design Standards, and Density in the City's Transit Oriented Development District Extraterritorial Jurisdiction between the Cities of Burleson, Crowley, and Fort Worth Discussion Regarding Possible Purchase, Exchange, Lease, or Value of Real Property Pursuant to Section 551.072 Discuss and receive direction on certain parcels of real property for municipal purposes where deliberation in open session would have a detrimental effect on the position of negotiations with third parties 430 N Burleson Blvd in Burleson, Johnson County, Texas Deliberation regarding a negotiated contract for a prospective gift or donation to the state or the governmental body Pursuant to Section 551.073 Personnel Matters Pursuant to Section 551.074 Deliberation regarding (1) the deployment, or specific occasions for implementation of security personnel or devices; or (2) a security audit Pursuant to Sec. 551.076 Deliberation Regarding Commercial or Financial Information Received from or the Offer of a Financial or Other Incentive made to a Business Prospect Seeking to Locate, Stay or Expand in or Near the Territory of the City and with which the City is conducting Economic Development Negotiations Pursuant to Section 551.087 Project Warehouse Hyder Ranch Pursuant to Sec. 418.0183(f), deliberation of information related to managing emergencies and disasters including those caused by terroristic acts (must be tape recorded)]

SO PURSUANT TO SECTION FIVE FIVE ONE POINT ZERO SEVEN ONE IN THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, THE COUNCIL DOES HAVE A NEED TO CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO SECTION FIVE FIVE ONE POINT ZERO SEVEN ONE, SECTION FIVE FIVE ONE POINT ZERO SEVEN TWO AND FIVE FIVE ONE POINT EIGHT SEVEN ZERO EIGHT SEVEN.

IS THERE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION? AND YES, WE NEED TO VOTE.

I HAVE A MOTION BY JIMMY AND A SECOND BY RICK.

PLEASE VOTE. PASSES UNANIMOUS.

TIME IS NINE THIRTY FOUR.

THANK YOU. MAYOR, CAN YOU CALL FOR A MOTION TO RECONVENE INTO OPEN SESSION, PLEASE?

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DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MOVED TO RECONVENE? CLICKY.

NEED A SECOND, I GOT I GOT A MOTION ABOUT TAMARA, SECOND BY DIANE, PLEASE VOTE.

PASSES UNANIMOUS, I OPEN THE SESSION UP AT TEN TWENTY FIVE.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WE HAVE NOTHING FURTHER ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT SO WE CAN ADJOURN THE MEETING IF YOU'D CALL FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND AND REQUIRING NO VOTE AND STATE THE TIME.

IS THERE A MOTION. I GOT A MOTION, BY DAN, AND SECOND, BY JIMMY.

OH WAS IT RICK, SORRY RICK, I CLOSE THIS AT TEN TWENTY FIVE.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.