[00:00:01] GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY. [1. CALL TO ORDER] I'M GOING TO OPEN THIS SESSION UP AT 9:02. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 1A, WHICH IS TO RECEIVE [A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding emergency medical service options within the City of Burleson. (Staff Presenter: K.T. Freeman, Fire Chief)] A REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION AND GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICE OPTIONS WITHIN THE CITY OF BURLESON. THIS MORNING'S PRESENTER IS K.T. FREEMAN. FIRE CHIEF, CHIEF FREEMAN, I'M SORRY. CAN I JUST MENTION SOMETHING BEFORE WE GET STARTED? I KNOW I WANTED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT I EMAILED BRYAN LAST WEEK, AND IN REGARD TO THE FORMAT OF THIS MEETING, I ASKED IF, IN LIEU OF FORMAL PRESENTATIONS, WE COULD JUST HAVE A Q&A. I FEEL LIKE WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THIS AS A COUNCIL. WE'VE WE'VE READ THROUGH ALL THE SLIDES I KNOW I HAVE AT LENGTH AND WE HAVE A FULL AGENDA TODAY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BOND AFTER THIS. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. I'M SURE OTHERS DO, BUT WE HAVE HAD NUMEROUS HOURS OF PRESENTATIONS. AND I'M JUST WONDERING, YOU KNOW WHAT EVERYONE'S THOUGHTS ARE ON JUST PROCEEDING WITH Q&A AND HAVING A DIALOG ABOUT THIS AND SKIPPING FORMAL PRESENTATIONS. I REALLY APPRECIATE WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND I HONOR YOUR REQUEST. BUT I BELIEVE AFTER REVIEWING THE PRESENTATION, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT INFORMATION IN THIS, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US ALONG THE WAY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS DURING THESE PRESENTATIONS, THIS PRESENTATION, IF NEED BE. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO THE PRESENTATION. I'M SORRY, THAT'S MY OPINION. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS. I'M IN FAVOR OF THE PRESENTATION. THERE IS SOME NEW INFORMATION HERE THAT I'D LIKE TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS OF. SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THE PRESENTATION IF THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD, K.T.. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, GOOD MORNING. K.T. FREEMAN, FIRE CHIEF. AND IN THE SPIRIT OF EVERYTHING'S BEEN SAID, I WILL BE BRIEF AND CERTAINLY BE AVAILABLE. AND I THINK DR. KNIGHT AND FITCHETT ASSOCIATES WILL ALSO SHARE THAT SENTIMENT. AGAIN, K.T. FREEMAN, FIRE CHIEF WE'RE HERE TO TO RECAPTURE SOME INFORMATION THAT COUNCIL ASKED US TO PRESENT BACK ON DECEMBER 17TH. SO THOSE ARE GOING TO BE OUR OBJECTIVES THIS MORNING. WE'RE GOING TO BE COVERING SOME FIRE BASED EMS COMPARISONS WITH SOME SPECIFIC CITIES OUT OF 84 IN THE AREA. WE ALSO WERE ASKED TO BRING BACK SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR COST. WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL FOR THAT. ALSO A CONTEXT ASSESSMENT AND A LITTLE BIT MORE FINANCIAL DETAIL FROM DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES. AND THEN AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, CERTAINLY WE'VE GOT SOME OPTIONS AND SOME CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING COUNCIL TO GIVE US SOME FEEDBACK. WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS A CHART THAT WE COMPILED. THERE'S 13 CITIES. I'LL DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE LEFT HAND SIDE. THOSE ARE THE VARIOUS CITIES THAT WE REACHED OUT TO. SOME OF THEM, AS YOU'LL YOU'LL NOTE, ARE RIGHT AT OUR SAME POPULATION, BEDFORD, CEDAR HILL. SOME OF THEM ARE LARGER DENTON. GRAPEVINES RIGHT ABOUT THE SAME THING. KELLER AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. SO I'LL ALSO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE CITIES THAT'S GOT AN ASTERISK TO THE SIDE. AND WE HAVE THAT NOTED DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE THAT THESE POPULATIONS BASED. WE KNOW CROWLEY DOESN'T HAVE A POPULATION OF THIRTY FIVE THOUSAND, BUT WHEN WE TALK TO THE FIRE CHIEFS THERE, HE SAID THAT THAT WAS THEIR ESTIMATE OF HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY ACTUALLY SERVE BECAUSE THEY GO OUTSIDE THEIR CITY LIMITS AND IN CERTAIN PORTIONS OF THE COUNTY. SAME THING WITH KEENE AND RENDON. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT, THE THE AGGREGATE AVERAGE IS ABOUT FIFTY TWO THOUSAND FOR THE POPULATIONS OF THE CITY. AND THAT'S COMPARISON TO BURLESON. THAT'S WHY WE DID THAT WHEN WE WERE MOVING TO THE RIGHT. WE'LL LOOK AT THE APPROXIMATE EMS CALLS OF EACH OF THESE CITIES AND YOU CAN SEE THE CITIES THAT ARE COMPARATIVE TO US. WE'RE VERY, VERY CLOSE. WHEN YOU GO DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, IT AGGREGATES TO BE ABOUT 4400. WE'RE ABOUT FORTY THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED AGAIN MOVING RIGHT. NUMBER OF EMS TRANSPORTS. AND THEN I THINK MOVING. CONTINUING TO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE EMS TRANSPORT AVERAGE ABOUT 3000. IN LINES WELL WITH US AROUND THREE THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED. THE AMBULANCES I KNOW THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION IN OUR LAST PRESENTATION AND GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO PROBABLY OUR FIRST ONE, A NUMBER OF AMBULANCES. AND THESE ARE AMBULANCES THAT ARE ON THE STREETS DAILY, NOT INCLUDING THEIR RESERVE AMBULANCES. BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT BEDFORD, CEDAR HILL GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN, WE'LL SEE THREE THREE AND THEN CLEBURNE HAS TWO. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO MENTION WHILE AGO THAT I FELT TOO IS CLEBURNE, ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO, TRANSITIONED FROM A PRIVATE AMBULANCE PROVIDER TO A FIREBASE PROVIDER TOO. AND THEY ALSO CHIEF WELLS SHARED WITH ME THAT THEY HIRED ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS TO DO THAT AS WELL. BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF AMBULANCES WE GO DOWN AND WE SEE AGAIN, [00:05:02] COMPARABLE CITIES, OUR SIDE OR SIZE ARE RUNNING THREE. I'LL COME BACK TO CLEBURNE, RUNNING TWO IN JUST A MOMENT. DENTON'S QUITE LARGE. THEY RUN EIGHT AGAIN, GOING DOWN THE LIST AND WE LOOK AT THE AVERAGE AGAIN IS THREE. AND OF COURSE, THE PROPOSALS AND DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD IS OUR OPTION C WOULD BE TO PROVIDE THREE EMS MOVING TO THE LAST COLUMN. I THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR COMPARISONS. DR. KNIGHT MENTIONED THIS TO US. I THINK CASEY MAY HAVE MENTIONED IT, BUT I DON'T RECALL. BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT CALLS, HOW MUCH CAPACITY PER BOX WOULD HAVE. DR. KNIGHT HAD SUGGESTED US THAT WHEN A UNIT GETS TO BE ABOUT 2500 CALLS PER BOX, THAT WOULD BE A TRIGGER THAT A CITY WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT UNIT OUR UTILIZATION. YOU WANT TO REALLY START DIGGING DOWN INTO THE METRICS BECAUSE THAT'S INDICATING SOME SATURATION. AND AGAIN, THIS IS NO NO COMMENTARY ON CLEBURNE. AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY'RE RUNNING TWENTY TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY EMS CALLS PER UNIT. THAT COULD ALSO BE VIEWED AS CERTAINLY A QUITE LEAN AND EFFECTIVE SYSTEM BECAUSE THEY'RE RUNNING IT WITH TWO AMBULANCES. SO I SHARE THAT WITH YOU AS WE GO DOWN THIS LIST, AND WE'VE LOOKED THAT WOULD BE THE METRIC WORKING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE AVERAGE IS ABOUT 1500. RIGHT NOW, WE WOULD BE ABOUT 1500. WHEN WE LOOK AT MANSFIELD, THAT HAS A THOUSAND EMS CALLS PER UNIT. THIS WOULD BE THE SAME POLICY DISCUSSION THAT YOU WOULD HAVE IF WE GO FORWARD AS TO WHAT METRIC WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT. AGAIN, THESE ARE POLICY DECISIONS THAT EACH COMMUNITY DECIDES WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THEIR COMMUNITY. HOW MANY NUMBER OF EMS AT WHAT COST, WHAT TYPE OF RISK PROFILE ARE THEY WILLING TO PUT FORTH FOR THEIR CITIZENS? AND THEN THEY'VE AGREED TO IT THROUGH A POLICY DISCUSSION? REGARDING THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR, WE WERE ASKED ABOUT THE COST. DO WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY BUDGETED FOR THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR? WE FELT LIKE WE WE DID. THEN WE CERTAINLY FEEL LIKE THAT $50000 IS ADEQUATE. AND WHEN WE POLLED AGAIN, 13 OF THESE CITIES THAT WOULD JUST SPOKE ABOUT, WE FOUND A LOW OF ABOUT $5000 AND THEN A HIGH OF $50000, JUST A SIMPLE AVERAGE 22500. BUT WE ALSO FOUND SOME CITIES THAT PAY 11000 17000. SO THERE'S A WIDE VARIETY OF COST. AND AGAIN, FROM A BUDGET STANDPOINT, WE FEEL LIKE WE WE HAVE ACCURATELY CAPTURED THAT THREE OF THE CITIES HAVE THEIR OWN INDEPENDENT MEDICAL DIRECTOR. THE OTHER 10 HAVE A COMBINATION OF DIFFERENT SIZES. SOME OF THEM ARE IN GROUPS THAT HAVE TWO TO THREE OTHER DEPARTMENTS. I SPOKE WITH SEVERAL OF THE FIRE CHIEFS AND THEY SAID BASICALLY, IT'S WHATEVER DIRECTION THE DEPARTMENT AND THEIR COUNCILS ARE ULTIMATELY COMFORTABLE WITH TO GET THEIR NEEDS MET, THEIR SPECIFIC NEEDS MET. I TALK WITH THE CEDAR HILL FIRE CHIEF. THEY HAVE A CONSORTIUM WHERE THEY PROVIDE MUTUAL AID. THEY'RE THE PRIMARY AMBULANCE PROVIDER. THEY PROVIDE MUTUAL AID TO TWO OTHER CITIES, AND THEY CONTRACT WITH A GROUP. AND I THINK DR. BERTOLINI MENTIONED IT OUT OF PARKLAND. I JUST DON'T RECALL THE NAME. THEY'RE VERY PLEASED WITH IT. THEY HAVE A CAP OF NO MORE THAN FOUR CITIES. SO AGAIN, I THINK THE POINT HERE IS FROM A BUDGET STANDPOINT, WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE. FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT AGAIN, IF WE MOVE FORWARD THAT WE WOULD PROVIDE THE TRANSPORTATION, I FEEL COMFORTABLE AND CONFIDENT THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO FIND THE RIGHT MIX THAT WOULD BE BURLESON CENTRIC TO THE DEGREE THAT WE FEEL LIKE THAT WE'D MET THE GOAL. AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO ASK DR. KNIGHT TO COME UP AND GO OVER THERE PRESENTATION AT AFTER HIS PRESENTATION, I'VE GOT ONE OR TWO SLIDES TO TALK ABOUT AND THEN INTO PRESENT AND THEN THAT WILL END OUR PRESENTATION. I'M JUST GOING TO LEAVE THAT UP THERE. GREAT. GOOD MORNING, DOCTOR KNIGHT, COULD YOU HANG ON JUST A SECOND? YES, SIR. NOW WE'LL LET HIM FINISH, AND THEN AFTER KATIE FINISHES. OK, GO AHEAD. OK, THANK YOU, SIR. AGAIN, MY NAME IS STEVE KNIGHT AND I'M A PARTNER WITH FITCH AND ASSOCIATES. IT'S GOOD TO BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU. I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT TO THE TO SOME BREVITY TO GET THROUGH THIS BECAUSE I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO DRAG IT OUT WITH THE WITH THE PRESENTATION, BUT WE TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE KIND OF ON THE FOREFRONT FROM OUR LAST MEETING THAT WE'RE QUESTIONS DRIVEN FROM YOU ALL. SO WE'LL TRY TO JUST ADDRESS THOSE PIECES AS BRIEFLY AS WE CAN. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PART OF THE DIALOG THAT CAME UP WAS REALLY WHAT WAS THE IMPACT THAT COVID 19 HAD ON THE DATA, THE DATA PERIOD THAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY PRESENTED IN OUR IN OUR STUDY FOR THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. [00:10:01] SO WE JUST KIND OF WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. SO THIS IS THE DATA THAT THAT WE WERE PROVIDED ON THE ON THE AMBULANCE SIDE FROM THE MEDSTAR. AND YOU CAN SEE IT HAS 2017, 2018, 2019 AND THEN AND THEN THROUGH 2020. REALLY, WHAT WE JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT IS OVERALL, THE CALL VOLUME WENT UP ABOUT SEVEN PERCENT BETWEEN 17 AND 18, AND THEN IT'S REALLY PLATEAUED FAIRLY EVENLY BETWEEN 18,19 AND THROUGH THE COVID PERIOD. SO WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND ANY SENSITIVITY WHEN IT CAME TO THE PERFORMANCE ON THAT. BUT WE TALKED INDEPENDENTLY WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ABOUT THE APPROPRIATENESS OF USING THE COVID YEAR OR NOT. AND BECAUSE IT WASN'T MATERIALLY DIFFERENT, WE ELECTED TO USE THAT SOME OF OUR CLIENTS. THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN THE COVID PERIOD, SO WE WENT BACK AND USED TWENTY NINETEEN OR SOMETHING ELSE LIKE THAT. BUT WE JUST RUN INTO TO SHOW THAT THERE WASN'T ANY MATERIAL DRIVER IN THE CALL VOLUME RELATED TO THAT. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. YES, SURE. BECAUSE MEDSTAR IN OUR LAST MEETING WAS SAYING THAT THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE. MATT, COULD YOU COME UP TO THIS OTHER PODIUM, MAYBE AND HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULD BE WHY, WHY YOU HAD A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION AND YOU COME TO THIS ONE IF YOU WANT THAT WAY, YOU BOTH CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS. STEVE'S WEARING REALLY NICE COLOGNE TODAY, SO I WANTED TO ASK AS POSSIBLE THEN YOUR MATH IS NOT WORKING. SORRY. SYSTEM WIDE, THE IMPACT WAS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CITY BY CITY, THERE WERE SOME YOU MEAN SYSTEM WIDE AS FAR AS MEDSTAR, I'M SORRY. YES, FOR ALL. ACROSS ALL 15 CITIES, THE BURLESON DATA WAS FAIRLY CONSISTENT. BUT BECAUSE WE MEASURE PERFORMANCE OF THE ENTIRE SYSTEM ACROSS ALL 15 CITIES, THAT CALL VOLUME DIP THAT WE SAW DURING 2020 WAS ACROSS THE ENTIRE SYSTEM, NOT NECESSARILY IN BURLESON ITSELF. AND THIS IS THIS IS SYSTEM WIDE. THIS ISN'T BURLESON. I BELIEVE THAT THE DATA THAT STEVE'S TALKING ABOUT WAS JUST BURLESON. JUST BURLESON. OK, YEAH. IT'S GOOD. YEAH. ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY. SO THEN GOOD SEGWAY, WE LOOKED AT THE PRIORITY PERFORMANCE A PRIORITY ONES ACROSS THAT TIME PERIOD AGAIN 17, 18, 19 AND 20. I'LL SHOW YOU ON THE NEXT SLIDE. IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT METHODOLOGY. WE USE AN ANNUALIZED ASSESSMENT TO LOOK AT IT, AND THE BLUE IS THE EIGHTY FIFTH PERCENTILE, WHICH IS WHAT THE GENERAL PERFORMANCE IS. AND THE ORANGE IS THE 90TH PERCENTILE. BUT THAT WAS JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S CONSIDERING A 90TH PERCENTILE FOR THEIR MEASURE. BUT WHAT IT REALLY SHOWED IS THAT IN TWENTY EIGHTEEN, WHAT THEY MEDSTAR HIT THE MARK PRETTY WELL, AND THIS IS ALL BURLESON SPECIFIC DATA. AND THEN IT DID CLIMB UP BOTH IN 19 AND THEN 20. YOU SEE THAT. BUT REALLY THE THE 2020, ALTHOUGH IT TICKED UP FROM NINETEEN, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE 2020 EXPERIENCE WASN'T MATERIALLY DIFFERENT THAN 2017. SO OVER THE FOUR YEAR PERIOD OF DATA THAT WE HAD, THERE WASN'T ANYTHING REALLY SIGNIFICANT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON THAT. SO TO LOOK AT IT THROUGH THIS IS ACTUAL MED STARS DATA HERE. SO THIS IS AN ANNUALIZED, THEY DO IT BY MONTH. SO THE GRAPH UP THERE IS ACTUALLY WHAT THEY PRODUCED AND IT JUST SHOWS WHAT THE PERFORMANCE IS FOR PARTY ONES. IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT ASSESSMENT THAN ON THE PREVIOUS, BUT THE BOTTOM JUST TO KIND OF TO BRING THAT INFORMATION OUT A LITTLE BIT BETTER ILLUSTRATION. WHAT WE DID IS WE JUST USED THEIR DATA. WE DIDN'T CALCULATE ANYTHING AND JUST CAPTURED HOW MANY MONTHS OF THE YEAR. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, A 50 PERCENT CAPTURE WOULD MEAN THAT SIX OUT OF THE 12 MONTHS THEY THEY HIT THE MARK FOR THAT EIGHTY FIFTH PERCENTILE RESPONSE TIME PERFORMANCE. SO YOU CAN JUST KIND OF SEE HOW THE PERFORMANCE IS ACROSS THERE. AND CERTAINLY 18 WAS THEIR BEST. BUT YOU SEE 19, 20 AND 21THEY WERE, THEY WERE CHALLENGED TO MEET THAT AS WELL AS IN THEIR 17 DATA. SO AGAIN, WE DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING VERY MATERIAL FROM THE COVID EXPERIENCE OTHER THAN IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE LENS OF OF ANCHORING THE CONVERSATION TO MAYBE 2019, THEN YOU MIGHT SEE A DRIFT. BUT OVER THE FOUR YEAR PERIOD, NOT SO MUCH. BUT LET'S JUST BACK AWAY FROM THAT A LITTLE BIT FROM THE POLICY PERSPECTIVE, RIGHT? AND WE GET TANGLED UP IN PERFORMANCE AND WHICH SAY TO DATE DATA IS THE BEST AND ET CETERA. SO REALLY, WHAT WE WANT TO DO HERE IS IS AND I UNDERLINE THE ONE THERE. THE REAL POLICY QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, DO YOU WANT A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF SERVICE? IS THERE? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE IN-HOUSE THAT THAT MOVES THE MARK FOR YOU? AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IS LET'S JUST ASSUME THAT MED STAR HITS ALL THE MARKS EXACTLY AS DESIGN. [00:15:01] THEIR PERFORMANCE IS GREAT. THIS COMPARISON OR THE CHART REALLY SHOWS WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TO COMPARE AND CONTRAST FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO THE CURRENT PERFORMANCE OBJECTIVES FROM MED STAR. SO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND ALL THESE SCENARIOS ARE LOOKING TO DELIVER A NINE MINUTE PERFORMANCE, RIGHT? IF MEDSTAR AND THAT'S AT THE 90TH PERCENTILE MEDSTAR, YOU CAN SEE THE CURRENT PERFORMANCE IS AT 11 MINUTES, 13 MINUTES AND 17 MINUTES AS THEIR OBJECTIVE. SO IF THEY WERE MEETING THE MARK ON ALL THOSE, THOSE WOULD BE THE TIME FRAME. SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME CONSIDERABLE IMPROVEMENT FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT NOW, A COUPLE OF POINTS JUST TO BRING OUT. SO WE LOOKED AT THE DATA AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S GOING TO UTILIZE A 90TH PERCENTILE MEASURE INTERNALLY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE LIKE TO USE IN IS MORE OF AN INDUSTRY STANDARD. BUT THE DRIFT FROM THE EIGHTY FIFTH PERCENTILE TO THE 90TH PERCENTILE ACROSS THOSE FOUR YEARS IN THE MED STAR DATA WAS AN AVERAGE OF ABOUT A MINUTE FORTY THREE. SO THAT DISTINCTION BETWEEN MEASURING IT AT THE EIGHTY FIFTH PERCENTILE OF MEASURING AT THE 90TH PERCENTILE HAS A PRETTY GOOD DRIFT. AND THEN ALSO WE WANT TO POINT OUT, AND PAUL DID A VERY GOOD JOB EXPLAINING THE DISPATCH PROCESS, BUT THESE FIGURES DON'T ACCOUNT FOR THE TRANSFER IMPLICATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE DISPATCH. I HAVE A I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. YES, SURE. OUR RESPONSE TIME IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE. BFD IS STILL GOING TO GET THERE. IF THEY GET THERE IN NINE MINUTES TODAY, THEY'RE GOING TO GET THERE IN NINE MINUTES, IN TWO YEARS, IDEALLY, RIGHT. SO WHAT? AND THERE THE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED SO THAT THEY ARE THE FIRST RESPONDERS. THEY ARE MEANT TO GET THERE AND ASSESS AND START TREATMENT. UNFORTUNATELY, I JUST HAD ANOTHER ROUND OF THIS PHONE CALL AND SITUATION MYSELF JUST TWO WEEKS AGO. SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND LIKE, THAT'S THE WAY THE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED, THAT THEY GET THERE FIRST AND THAT THEY ASSESS AND THEY START THAT OUR QUALIFICATIONS OF WHO'S RESPONDING TO THESE CALLS AREN'T GOING TO CHANGE OUR TIME AND OUR RESPONSE IS NOT CHANGING SO WHAT WHAT IS IT ABOUT THIS THAT YOU'RE THAT WE NEED TO TAKE HOME? SURE, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO IF I WAS TO PRESENT THIS FROM THE FIRST RESPONSE AS IF YOU HAVE IT TODAY, THAT WOULD REALLY BE I THINK I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT IT'S IN THE SEVEN MINUTES, RIGHT? YOUR YOUR FIRST RESPONSE CAPABILITY IS AROUND THE SEVEN MINUTE MARK, SO IT'S EVEN FASTER TO KEEP IT APPLES TO APPLES. THIS IS REALLY JUST TALKING ABOUT AN AMBULANCE ARRIVAL. WHY IS IT TWO MINUTES LONGER? BECAUSE YOU IT JUST DEPENDS HOW MANY AMBULANCES YOU HAVE AND THE HOW MANY ARE WE ESTIMATING IN THIS? AND THIS WOULD BE THREE AMBULANCES? YEAH. AND THE DISTINCTION IS RIGHT NOW, THE AVERAGE TIME ON TASK WITHOUT DOING THE TRANSPORT IS ABOUT 30 MINUTES. AND ONCE YOU START TRANSPORTING, THAT'S WHY YOU WON'T HAVE THREE UNITS HERE ALL THE TIME BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE ON A CALL. RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHY THE AMBULANCE PERFORMANCE IS AT NINE MINUTES. IT'S A POLICY OPTION FOR THE CHIEF ON HOW HE WANTS TO DEPLOY, WHETHER HE'LL SEND AMBULANCE BY THEMSELVES OR WHETHER THEY'LL ALWAYS SEND THE ENGINE OR LADDER TRUCK WITH THE AMBULANCE. THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS HOW ARE WE GOING TO KNOW? OR I MEAN, LIKE, WHAT'S GOING TO BE THAT DISTINCTION? HOW WHAT ARE WHAT'S GOING DETERMINE WHEN WE SEND OUT A FIRE TRUCK AND AN AMBULANCE? SURE. IS THAT GOING TO BE EVERY CALL? LIKE IF RIGHT NOW, LIKE IF WE'RE NOT IN A ZONE THAT HAS A SQUAD, JUST THE FIRE TRUCK COMES OUT. BUT IN THE MASTER PLAN I WAS REVIEWING, THOSE SLIDES WERE ADDITIONALLY POSTED. GOING BACK THROUGH THERE, IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS IT'S NOT EFFICIENT, IT'S NOT EFFECTIVE, AND IT'S COSTLY TO SEND A FIRE TRUCK AND AN AMBULANCE. I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO ON THAT OR DO YOU I CAN PULL UP THE SLIDE. YEAH, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER THAT. COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON, AS I SAID IN OUR LAST MEETING, THERE WILL BE CALLS THAT ARE LOW ACUITY, LOW ACUITY THAT RIGHT NOW THE SQUAD GOES TO BY ITSELF, BUT WE WON'T HAVE A SQUAD TO GO TO THOSE LOW ACUITY CALLS ANYMORE. CORRECT? PARDON ME, WE WON'T HAVE A SQUAD ANY LONGER TO GO TO THOSE LOW. THOSE LOW ACUITY CALLS WILL BE SENT. AN AMBULANCE WOULD BE SENT AN AMBULANCE BECAUSE WE'RE TAKING THE STAFF SO THEY WILL FUNCTION THE SAME. THE LOW ACUITY CALLS HAVE A HIGH HISTORICAL PROBABILITY THEY DON'T NEED TRANSPORT. SO THE SAME CALLS THAT WE'RE SENDING THE SQUAD TO RIGHT NOW, WE WOULD SEND AN AMBULANCE. THEY WOULD DO WHATEVER THEY WOULD NEED TO DO, THEY WOULD GET BACK IN SERVICE. AS I SAID IN THE LAST MEETING AND MOVING FORWARD FOR THE LET'S JUST USE THE HEART ATTACK BECAUSE THAT IS GENERALLY THE ONE PEOPLE CAN RELATE TO. CURRENTLY, RIGHT NOW WE SPEND WE SEND THE CLOSEST VARIOUS FIRE APPARATUS, WE [00:20:03] SEND A BATTALION CHIEF, WE SEND A SQUAD. INSTEAD OF A SQUAD, WE WOULD SEND AN AMBULANCE THAT IS OUR MODEL BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT A PRICE TAG ON, DOES IT COST MORE TO SEND A FIRE TRUCK AS IT COSTS, YOU KNOW, THE FUEL, WE SEND THAT TO SEND A COMPLIMENT JUST LIKE A FIRE. WE HAVE A CERTAIN ASSEMBLY GO. IT'S THE SAME THING WITH THE HIGH ACUITY CALLS WHEN WE SEND A RESPONSE TO A HEART ATTACK. WE WANT A TEAM THERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS TO DO IN OUR SYSTEM. SOME SYSTEMS DON'T. WE LIKE TO, CASEY'S OFF TODAY. HE'S NOT FEELING WELL, BUT WE LIKE TO LOOK AT IT JUST FOR KIND OF LAYMAN TERMS. AS THE NASCAR LIKE A PIT STOP, EVERYBODY'S GOT TO FUNCTION ON THOSE HIGH ACUITY CALLS WHERE THERE'S TIMES, THERE'S PACING, THERE'S ALL TYPES OF MEDICAL THINGS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE THAT REQUIRE A TEAM. AND THAT'S THE THE ADVANTAGE AND THE BENEFIT TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE SEND THAT TYPE OF RESPONSE BECAUSE THAT IS DEALING WITH THE NOW THAT'S DEALING WITH THE PERSON WHO IS LITERALLY DYING. AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE AND BRING WHATEVER IT TAKES TO TRY TO HELP MITIGATE THAT CIRCUMSTANCE. WE'LL DOING IT NOW. WE WILL DO IT IN THE FUTURE. IF WE GO THIS ROUTE, WE'LL HAVE AN AMBULANCE THERE INSTEAD OF A SQUAD THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THE TRANSPORT PIECE. JUST, YEAH, WE'RE JUST CHANGING. WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE RESPONSE TIMES, WE'RE ONLY CHANGING THE FACILITY IN WHICH THEY'RE GETTING THIS INSTEAD OF A SQUAD. IT'S NOW ABILITY TO TRANSPORT ABILITY TO TRANSPORT BECAUSE WE'LL STILL BE PROVIDING THE SAME THING. LIKE I SAY, LOW ACUITY CALL. I'VE CUT MY FINGER OR I NEED MY BLOOD PRESSURE CHECKED. BUT THERE ARE SOME CASES WHEN WE DON'T KNOW. NO, SO WE MAY THINK I AM OK. BUT THEN IT DOES TURN OUT TO BE. I THOUGHT I HAD HEARTBURN AND NOW I HAVE A HEART ATTACK THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE SEEING ASSESSMENT, AND IT COMES IN AS A LOW ACUITY IS THE SAME THING MEDSTAR IS DOING RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE GIVING A PRIORITY RIGHT, AND THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SWITCH IT OUT INSTEAD OF IT BEING A CORRECT CRITICAL UNIT. MATT, CAN YOU HELP ME ON THE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY THE WHY? WHY DO YOU HAVE THIS MODEL? WHY IS IT TAKING LONGER? WHY ARE THOSE MINUTES CHANGING OR LIKE THE TRUCKS ARE COMING? AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE DON'T NEED THAT TRUCK. WE NEED A DIFFERENT TRUCKS. I JUST RECENTLY EXPERIENCED THIS AND I HEARD THE YOU'RE DOING WELL. THANK YOU. I HEARD THE MEN SAY WE WERE ON A CALL ON ELEVEN EIGHTY SEVEN. WE HEARD THIS CALL COME IN. THEY HEARD TRUCK WAS A FEW MORE MINUTES OUT AND WE KNEW WE COULD GET TO IT FASTER BECAUSE THIS DIDN'T NEED US ANY LONGER. RIGHT? SO WITHOUT VIOLATING ANY PATIENT PRIVACY ISSUES, YES, THERE WERE ACTUALLY TWO CALLS SIMULTANEOUSLY AND WHAT THE FIRST CALL THE CREW THE PATIENT WAS ELECTING NOT TO BE TRANSPORTED TO THE HOSPITAL. THE CREW, OUR CREW THAT WAS ON SCENE HEARD THE SECOND DISPATCH GO OUT ON BURLESON FIRES RADIO SYSTEM AND THEY SAID, HEY, WE'RE CLOSER TO THAT CALL IN THE UNIT THAT'S COMING FROM WHEREVER THEY WERE COMING FROM THERE ALREADY IN BURLESON, BUT THEY WERE CLOSER. SO THEY ASKED THE FIRE CREW, HEY, CAN YOU GUYS FINISH THE AMA? WE'RE GOING TO RESPOND TO THE SECOND CALL AND THEY DID THAT. SO THE FIRST UNIT THAT WAS DISPATCHED WAS CANCELED, REPOSTED IN BURLESON. THEN THAT CREW, STEVE AND HIS PARTNER RESPONDED TO YOUR CALL. NOW THE SYSTEM IS VERY DYNAMIC IN THAT REGARD. ON THE RESPONSE TIME SPECIFIC HISTORICALLY AND IN MOST SYSTEMS, YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT RESPONSE TIME GOAL BASED ON THE ACUITY OF THE CALL. THE REASON THAT THE SYSTEM WAS DESIGNED TO HAVE DIFFERENT RESPONSE TIME GOALS FOR LOWER ACUITY CALLS, LIKE MOST SYSTEMS IN THE COUNTRY HONESTLY BECOMES AN ECONOMIC DECISION IS THAT YOU COULD HAVE A NINE MINUTE RESPONSE TIME STANDARD SYSTEM WIDE FOUR FOR EVERY AMBULANCE. ALL THE CHALLENGE WOULD BE THAT THE BUDGET TO DO THAT WOULD CHANGE FROM 52 MILLION TO SOME EXCEPTIONALLY HIGHER NUMBER THAN THAT AND CLINICALLY WHEN YOU REVIEW THE DATA FOR THOSE TYPES OF CALLS THAT HAVE BEEN CLASSIFIED AS A LOWER ACUITY CALL, THOSE PATIENTS DON'T HAVE A POORER OUTCOME WITH A LONGER RESPONSE TIME BECAUSE CUT FINGER STILL GETTING OUR GUYS ARE ON THE SCENE, YOU'RE STILL FIRST RESPONDING. PERHAPS SO IN IN MOST OF THE CITIES IN OUR SERVICE AREA, I CAN'T EVEN SAY MOST FOR A LOT OF THE LARGER CITIES IN OUR SERVICE AREA. THEY DON'T RESPOND TO EVERY CALL. THEY ONLY RESPOND TO CALLS THAT THE OFFICE OF THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR HAVE DETERMINED ARE CHART TIMES RIGHT THAT ARE TIME SENSITIVE AND THEY ARE TIME LIFE SENSITIVE. SO YOU WANT TO GET A FIRST RESPONSE UNIT THERE QUICKLY TO BE ABLE TO DO CPR AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS MAYBE GIVE BENADRYL, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR SOMEONE WHO MIGHT GO INTO [00:25:02] ANAPHYLAXIS, BUT FOR THE SIMPLE FALL WITH AN ANKLE INJURY FOR THE SIMPLE LACERATION, WE DON'T WANT TO USE FIRST RESPONSE UNITS FOR THAT CALL BECAUSE WE WANT TO KEEP THEM AVAILABLE FOR SOME FOR CPR. THANKS, BFD. FORTUNATELY, I MEAN, THEY WERE ON IT AS AS I WOULD ANTICIPATE THEY DO FOR ANY CALL. IT WASN'T BECAUSE IT WAS ME. I WAS AT A CERTAIN LEVEL AND THERE, LIKE THERE WAS NO HESITATION. LIKE, THERE'S NO PAUSE, THERE WAS NO WHO'S GOING TO DO WHAT BFD WAS ON SCENE AND THEY IMMEDIATELY STARTED TREATING ME. AND THEN MEDSTAR SAID, LIKE, WE'RE HERE. BASICALLY, THEY DIDN'T REALLY CONVERSE WITH ME UNTIL I GOT ON THE GURNEY, CORRECT? AND IT WAS THEY ONLY TALKED TO THE GUYS. THEY WERE ON SCENE AND OK, DO YOU WANT US TO DO THAT? WE HAVE IT TOO. NO, YOU'VE GOT IT. OK? AND THAT'S ONE OF THE BEAUTIES OF THIS SYSTEM HAVING THE SAME PROTOCOLS FOR THE FIRST RESPONDERS AND EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE SYSTEM SO THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT EVERYONE IS SUPPOSED TO BE DOING AND THAT KIND OF THING. SO THE HANDOFF IS VERY SMOOTH AND VERY LOGICAL AND WORKS VERY WELL. ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY THOUSAND RESPONSES A YEAR. I WAS FORTUNATE TO HAVE HAD EXCEPTIONAL BOTH TIMES, UNFORTUNATELY IN THE LAST FOUR MONTHS THAT I'VE HAD TO HAVE TRANSPORTS. IT WAS I JUST RECEIVED EXCEPTIONAL CARE FROM BOTH ENTITIES AND THERE WAS NO NONE OF THIS LIKE I'M WATCHING AT THIS TIME. I WAS MUCH MORE AWARE AND I WAS WATCHING LIKE, OK, HOW DOES THIS GO? AND THE EXACT SAME WAY IT WENT THE FIRST TIME. AND THE REASON THAT YOU GOT BOTH UNITS RESPONDING IN BURLESON IS TWOFOLD. ONE, YOUR CALL BECAUSE WE DID LOOK UP THE CALL BECAUSE WE WERE JUST CURIOUS MAKE SURE YOU'RE OK, THANKS. WHAT IF IT DID PRIORITIZE AS A PRIORITY TO CALL, WHICH WOULD HAVE MEANT YOU WOULD HAVE GOTTEN FIRST RESPONDERS AND THE AMBULANCE IN ANY REGARD? BUT CURRENTLY IN BURLESON, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS RESPONDING TO EVERY CALL BECAUSE OF THE CONCERN ABOUT THE TWISTED ANKLE. CORRECT. OK. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK TO YOU, KATIE. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THAT'S FAIRLY RECENT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. THEY WEREN'T DOING THAT RIGHT. BUT THE REASON THAT THEY'RE DOING IT NOW IS THE CONCERN OVER THE DELAY, POTENTIAL DELAY IN DISPATCH AND BEING NOTIFIED THAT, YES, THIS IS A HIGHER PRIORITY CALL THAT FIRE NEEDS TO RESPOND TO. THIS PERSON THOUGHT IT WAS HEARTBURN AND NOW IT'S THIS. SO IT HELPS TO HAVE THE FIRST RESPONDERS, THE QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS WHO CAN ASSESS IT POTENTIALLY START TREATING IF NECESSARY. YES, THE EMERGENCY MEDICAL DISPATCH PROCESS, TO BE FAIR, IS DESIGNED TO BE CONSERVATIVE SO THAT EVEN THE HEARTBURN CALL, IF IT'S SOMEONE BETWEEN THE AGES OF THIRTY FIVE AND OVER, QUITE FRANKLY, THAT'S GOING TO GET A FULL RESPONSE. BUT THE PERSON WHO IS, YOU KNOW, THIRTY FIVE AND CUT THEIR HAND WASHING DISHES IS GOING TO GET AN AMBULANCE ONLY BECAUSE UNLESS THERE'S BLOOD SPURTING ON THE CEILING, WHICH THEN WOULD GET A FULL RESPONSE. BUT THAT'S THE WAY THE SYSTEM WAS DESIGNED. THIS TIME I EVEN GOT SIRENS. THANKS, MATT. COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON, DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS? OK, THANK YOU. SO COUNCILMAN, COUNCILWOMAN JOHNSON, WHERE ARE WE SQUARE ON THIS? OK, SO JUST JUST LISTENING TO THAT DIALOG JUST IN CASE THERE NEEDS TO BE ANY CLARITY. THE MEDICAL PARTY DISPATCH PROCESS AND SYSTEM THAT'S BEING CONTEMPLATED IF IF YOU DO USE THIS INTERNALLY WOULD BE THE SAME INTERNATIONAL APPROACH. THE PROTOCOLS HOW YOU TRIAGE CALLS. SO THERE'S SOME POLICY OPTIONS FOR THE CHIEF ON WHAT RESOURCES HE WANTS TO SEND, BUT BY ALL MEANS THAT ENTIRE PROCESS THE THE MEDICAL AND CLINICAL DRIVERS BEHIND ALL THOSE ARE AT YOUR FULL DISPOSAL, SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO TO RESOURCE APPROPRIATELY BASED ON THE RISK LEVEL FOR THE CALL. SO NONE OF THAT WOULD CHANGE. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHO IS PROVIDING AND JUST ADDITIONAL TRAINING FOR OUR CURRENT DISPATCH. RIGHT, RIGHT. WE'RE NOT TRAINED AT THAT PARTICULAR. YEAH, YOU'D HAVE SOME STEPS INTERNALLY IF YOU WENT DOWN THAT PATH. BUT WHAT WHAT I'M JUST WANTING TO REINFORCE IS THERE ISN'T A DISTINCTION BETWEEN CURRENT PRACTICE AND WHAT A FUTURE PRACTICE WOULD BE. YOU'D STILL BE USING THE SAME STRATEGY. YOU JUST HAVE A BETTER TRANSFER TIME. YEP. OK, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT UNITS, THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION GOING BACK AND FORTH ABOUT HOW MANY UNITS WERE IN THE SYSTEM, WHAT'S WHAT'S ACTUALLY BEING PROVIDED, ET CETERA. IT'S ACTUALLY A PRETTY CONFUSING, INTERESTING TOPIC, SO I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT AS HIGH LEVEL AS I CAN. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE DESCRIBING IS THAT THERE'S A TWO STANDARD DEVIATION, WHICH IS BASICALLY 95TH PERCENTILE OF WHAT YOUR AVERAGE DEMAND IS. SO IF YOU JUST THINK YOUR AVERAGE CALL RATE ACROSS THE TIME, THERE'S VARIABILITY IN THE DATA SET RIGHT THAT DRIVES. SOMETIMES THERE'S FOUR CALLS, SOMETIMES THERE'S ONLY ONE CALL, SOMETIMES [00:30:01] THERE'S NO CALLS, RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE VARIABILITY IN HOW MANY CALLS COME IN. THE PROCESS IS TO LOOK AT HOW DO THEY STAFF APPROPRIATELY IN ORDER TO HANDLE ALL THAT DEMAND WELL AS A SYSTEM AND KNOWING MED STAR'S REPUTATION, THEIR THEIR STAFFING AND EFFICIENT LEAN MODEL TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ALLOCATE RESOURCES TO THE DEMAND FOR SERVICES, RIGHT? WHAT HAPPENS IN THE BIG SYSTEM FOR MED STARS? IT CAN BE REALLY HIGHLY ACCURATE ON THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY THOUSAND CALLS IN ORDER TO LOOK AT THAT AND HOW TO STAFF CORRECTLY. WHEN WE LOOK DOWN AT BURLESON DATA, YOU'RE A LOT SMALLER, RIGHT? YOU'RE ONLY FOUR THOUSAND OR FIVE THOUSAND CALLS OUT OF A HUNDRED AND TWENTY THOUSAND CALL SYSTEM. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE VARIABILITY IN YOUR SMALL DATA SET THAN YOU WILL THE MEDSTAR SYSTEM AS A WHOLE. IS THAT IS THAT FAIR? SO WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN YOU USE THOSE KIND OF STATISTICAL STRATEGIES ON SMALL DATA SETS, IT CAN BE A LITTLE BUMPY AT TIMES BECAUSE YOU YOU'RE MAKING PROJECTIONS ON A MUCH SMALLER DATA SET. SO THERE'S MORE VARIABILITY. WELL, YOU CAN SEE IN THE GRAPH THAT THEY PRODUCED, THAT'S ACTUALLY PART OF THE ONE OF THE ISSUES USING THAT KIND OF STRATEGY. AS YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE NINETY FIFTH PERCENTILE PROJECTION WAS ACTUALLY HIGHER THAN THEIR ACTUAL ONE HUNDRED PERCENT OBSERVED VALUE. SO THAT JUST TELLS YOU THAT USING THAT PROJECTION OF STANDARD DEVIATIONS IS IS A LITTLE PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE OF THE SMALL DATA SET. IF IF WE HAD A GRAPH OF THEIR ENTIRE SYSTEM, IT PROBABLY WOULD NOT OCCUR RIGHT, IT WOULD BE A LOT, LOT TIGHTER BECAUSE OF VARIABILITY IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE MORE PREDICTABLE. SO WITH THAT SAID, WHAT THAT DOES IN THE CONTEXT OF THE RECOMMENDATION FOR BURLESON INTERNALLY IS IT DRIVES UP YOUR RESOURCE ALLOCATION USING THAT STRATEGY. SO WHAT WE DID IS WE CHECKED BECAUSE WE DO WORK WITH A LOT OF PUBLIC UTILITY MODELS IN OUR IN OUR CONSULTING PRACTICE. AND WE LOOKED AT SOME OTHER SYSTEMS AND ASKED THE QUESTION, ARE YOU? ARE YOU GUYS UTILIZING THE TWO STANDARD DEVIATION? ARE YOU USUALLY UTILIZING IT AS A SYSTEM WHERE YOU USE UTILIZING IT AGENCY BY AGENCY BY AGENCY? AND THE ANSWER WAS IT'S REALLY USUALLY A SYSTEM STRATEGY, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LOT, A LOT LARGER DATA SET BECAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE, PUSHING THE ENVELOPE UP TO FOUR UNITS IN THE CITY OF BURLESON, I'LL WALK THROUGH SOME OF THE FINANCIALS IS A LITTLE PROBLEMATIC, FISCALLY, RIGHT? THERE'S A THERE'S A LOT OF EXTRA TIME THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH AMBULANCES THAT WON'T BE ON CALLS. THAT'S NOT REALLY THE MODEL, RIGHT? AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE. SO WHEN I ASKED A COUPLE OF THE OTHER PUBLIC UTILITY MODELS WHICH NEED TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS, BUT ONE OF THEM ABANDONED THE TWO STANDARD DEVIATIONS ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO, AND THE OTHER ONE JUST STAFFS AT ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY PERCENT BASED ON THEIR AVERAGE DEMAND. SO IT'S NOT A UNIVERSALLY HELD THING AT ALL. ALL APPROPRIATE AMBULANCE DEPLOYMENT HAS TO BE TWO STANDARD DEVIATIONS. THAT'S JUST THEIR APPROACH. SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT THE STRATEGY IS AND ACTUALLY MAKE BETTER SENSE ON THIS SLIDE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THESE, THE TOP ONE, THESE ARE ACTUAL CLIENTS OF OURS WHERE WE DESIGN THE SYSTEMS BECAUSE WE WE NOT ONLY DO THE CONSULTING, BUT WE ACTUALLY MANAGE AMBULANCE SYSTEMS AS WELL. SO WE PRACTICE WHAT WE PREACH. WE KNOW THESE WORK BECAUSE WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING THEM ON THE ON THE TOP ONE. IT'S A VERY EFFICIENT DESIGN AND I WON'T BORE YOU WITH ALL THE MOVING PARTS. BUT REALLY, WHAT YOU NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO IS THAT RED LINE IS THE STAFFING, AND THAT TOP DARKER BLUE LINE IS ALL OF THE COMBINATION OF THEIR REQUIRED PERFORMANCE, AS WELL AS THEIR CALL VOLUME. SO WHEN YOU PUT IN YOUR GEOGRAPHIC CONCERNS FOR RESPONSE TIME, AS WELL AS ALL THE DEMAND FOR SERVICES, THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD CALL A VERY LEAN SYSTEM, RIGHT? AND I WOULD IMAGINE MEDSTAR AS AN ENTIRE SYSTEM PROBABLY LOOKS A LOT CLOSER TO THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE RUNNING IT VERY EFFICIENTLY, RIGHT? SO THAT LINE MIRRORS THE DEMAND VERY TIGHTLY, AND THE MIDDLE ONE IS ACTUALLY THE SAME AGENCY THEY WERE JUST HAVING, WELL, TIME. SO WE ADDED ANOTHER TWENTY FIVE PERCENT ONTO THEIR DEPLOYMENT STRATEGY JUST TO ACCOUNT FOR THE EXTRA TIME THEY WERE SPENDING AT THE HOSPITALS TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE OFF OF THE GURNEY. BUT YOU CAN STILL SEE EVEN WITH THAT ADDITIONAL TWENTY FIVE PERCENT ADDED ON, IT'S STILL A VERY LEAN MODEL. THE REASON I POINT OUT. OUT IS THE BOTTOM ONE IS REALLY WHAT WAS BEING RECOMMENDED WITHOUT TWO STANDARD DEVIATIONS OR FOUR UNITS, LET'S JUST DROP THAT AND TUCK FOUR UNITS. IF YOU HAVE FOUR UNITS, WHAT YOU SEE ON THAT BOTTOM CHART IS A LOT OF READINESS. THAT'S EXCESS CAPACITY, RIGHT? AND AND THAT'S IMPORTANT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF, WELL, LET ME JUMP TO THIS ONE. SO IT'S IT'S IMPORTANT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF READINESS VERSUS DEMAND, AND I MENTIONED THAT A LITTLE BIT IN THE CLOSING LAST TIME. SO IF I DRAW YOUR JUST ATTENTION TO THE TO THE NARRATIVE ON THE RIGHT, WHAT READINESS MODEL IS REALLY WHAT A TYPICAL FIRE DEPARTMENT PRODUCES, RIGHT? IT'S YOU HAVE THE SERVICES, YOU HAVE YOUR GEOGRAPHIC STATIONS SO THAT YOU CAN GET [00:35:05] THERE IN A TIMELY MANNER. SO YOU HAVE A LOT HIGHER INVESTMENT FOR GUARANTEED SERVICES. YOU GENERALLY HAVE BETTER RESPONSE TIMES, YOU HAVE HIGH AVAILABILITY, HIGH RESPONSIVENESS, HIGH RELIABILITY, THINGS LIKE THAT. THOSE READINESS, BECAUSE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF TRYING TO CAPTURE CALLS, THEY ONLY ANSWER TO CALLS THAT THE COMMUNITY REQUESTS OF THEM. THERE ISN'T AN EFFICIENCY MODEL THERE, SO YOU HAVE SUNK COSTS IN DEPLOYING THE READINESS FOR WHEN THE PUBLIC NEEDS YOU IN EMERGENCY. THE DEMAND MODEL, WHICH IS WHAT AMBULANCE SERVICES GENERALLY USE, ACTUALLY BENEFIT FROM THAT SYNERGY OF LOCAL INVESTMENT FOR READINESS BECAUSE THEY'RE ABLE TO ALIGN THEIR RESOURCES SPECIFICALLY TO THE CALL DEMAND IN A VERY EFFICIENT MANNER, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY'RE ABLE TO GET THERE AS DESCRIBED IN 11 MINUTES, 13 MINUTES AND 17 MINUTES LATER, DEPENDING ON THE SEVERITY, BECAUSE THE FIRST RESPONDERS ARE ALREADY THERE. WELL, SOMEBODY HAS TO PAY FOR THAT AND IT'S THE LOCAL COMMUNITY. SO THE TWO MODELS CAN WORK IN SYNERGY TOGETHER. BUT COMPARING THE READINESS ASPECT TO THE DEMAND ASPECT IS A LITTLE PROBLEMATIC. AND THIS IS WHY THAT KIND OF DEPLOYMENT, IF YOU ELECTED TO DO SO INTERNALLY, WOULD BE FINE AS A POLICY CHOICE FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE IN A READINESS MODEL. SO IF YOU WANTED THAT KIND OF PROTECTION, THAT'S GREAT. BUT FOR AN AMBULANCE PROVIDER TO HAVE FOUR AMBULANCES IN THE TOWN WHERE THEY ONLY WORK 50 PERCENT OF THE TIME OR FIFTY EIGHT PERCENT OF THE TIME, THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF READINESS COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE AMBULANCES SITTING HERE. SO IT JUST KIND OF GOES TO BALANCE. THERE'S THERE'S MEDSTAR HAS A GREAT DEPTH OF RESOURCES TO SEND YOU WHEN YOU HAVE AN INCIDENT AND YOU HAVE MULTIPLE INCIDENCES THAT HAPPEN AT THE SAME TIME. POTENTIALLY, YEAH, AT THE SAME TIME, RIGHT? BUT THE COST OF THAT IS THE RESPONSE TIME. SO IT'S NOT EFFICIENT FOR THEM? BUT YOU JUST SAID IT'S GOING TO IT'S COSTLY TO DO THE READINESS MODEL, AND SOME OF IT IS A SUNK COST. MM HMM. EXACTLY. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO INVEST A LOT JUST TO BE READY. YOU ARE IN THE EVENT THAT WE HAVEN'T BOUGHT THE UNITS YET AND THOSE HAVE ESTIMATED YOUR INITIAL REPORT WENT FROM ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND IN BEDS WAS THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND. SO THERE'S THAT'S A CHOICE ON WHAT TYPE AND AND COSTS THEY WILL. IT'S HARD TO PLAN WHEN EVERYTHING IS. IT'S SO SPORADIC. I THINK THIS IS WHAT ANNOYS PEOPLE THE MOST ABOUT GOVERNMENTS LIKE YOU CAN GO THIS ROUTE OR YOU CAN GO THIS ROUTE AND YOUR SLIDE THAT YOU HAVEN'T TOUCHED ON YET SAYS WE KNOW A SINGLE RESOURCE CAN COVER NINETY TWO PERCENT OF ALL CALLS IN BURLESON WITHIN TEN MINUTES, BUT MED STARTS BETWEEN 15 AND 17. WELL, WHICH ONE IS IT AND WHY CAN'T ONE UNIT THEN SERVE NINETY TWO? SURE. SO LET ME LET ME THIS WHY YOU SAID TWO UNITS INITIALLY COULD SERVE OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY. TWO UNITS COULD SERVE YOUR COMMUNITY, RIGHT? THAT'S ANOTHER NUMBER THAT'S CHANGED FROM TWO TO THREE WELL TO FIVE TO SIX. UNDERSTOOD. BUT THOSE ARE POLICY CHOICES, RIGHT? SO, SO LET ME WALK THROUGH THAT. AT TWO UNITS, YOU COULD COVER EIGHTY FIVE TO 90 PERCENT OF ALL YOUR CALLS WITH THOSE TWO UNITS FOR CURRENT COSTS, RIGHT? THE TRADE OFF FOR THAT POLICY OPTION IS THAT YOU NEED AUTOMATIC AID FOR THAT OTHER 10 TO 15 PERCENT RIGHT WHEN YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR TWO UNITS, MEDSTAR OR ANOTHER AGENCY, WHOEVER COULD STILL CAPTURE THOSE CALLS. IF THAT'S NOT AN ACCEPTABLE OPTION FOR YOU, THEN YOU MOVE UP TO THREE UNITS AT THREE UNITS. AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER AT THIS TIME, BUT AT THREE UNITS, IT'S PROBABLY AROUND NINETY TWO OR NINETY FOUR PERCENT OF YOUR CALLS. NINETY EIGHT. OK, SO SO AS YOU MOVE UP IN YOUR RESOURCE, YOU CAPTURE MORE AND MORE MORE AND MORE CALLS, SO YOU HAVE TO RELY ON AUTOMATIC AID LESS AND LESS, RIGHT? SO THERE ISN'T JUST A A PERFECT LINE IN THE SAND. IT'S A POLICY OPTION OF WHERE YOU WANT TO BE, HOW MUCH RISK YOU WANT TO COVER AND HOW MUCH PROTECTION YOU WANT TO PURCHASE. THAT'S THE POLICY BALANCE THAT YOU HAVE THERE, AND THAT'S WHY THOSE NUMBERS HAVE MIGRATED BECAUSE OF THE POLICY DISCOURSE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON ON THIS ONE, AND THAT WAS A GOOD LEAD IN FOR THIS. SO REALLY, THIS IS HOW THE SYSTEMS, YOU KNOW, THEIR SYSTEM STATUS MODEL, RIGHT, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY HAVE A LOT OF RESOURCES THEY PLAN OUT FOR. WIND CALLS OCCUR. THEY HAVE A POSTING STRATEGY TO PUT RESOURCES AROUND THEIR ENTIRE MED STAR SYSTEM, AND THEY WORK OFF OF THE PROBABILITY THAT THOSE CALLS WILL OCCUR AND THEY'LL RESPOND IN A TIMELY MANNER BASED ON ON WHAT THEIR, YOU KNOW, ADOPTED PERFORMANCE OBJECTIVES ARE. WHAT HAPPENS IS AS THE SYSTEM GETS BUSY, THE RESOURCES ARE DRAWN DOWN, [00:40:01] AND DEPENDING ON THE POSTING STRATEGY, RESOURCES ARE GOING TO BE FARTHER AND FARTHER AWAY FROM THE COMMUNITY WHEN YOU HAVE MULTIPLE CALLS, RIGHT? SO WHAT HAPPENS IS EVERYONE'S LIKE BUSY TIME IS EVERYONE'S BUSY TIME, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PUZZLES ME ABOUT THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE FALLING BACK ON MUTUAL AID. LIKE IF WE'RE IF IT'S OUR BUSY TIME, YOU KNOW, DURING TRAFFIC COMMUTING BACK AND BACK AND FORTH TO WORK, PICKING UP SCHOOL KIDS, THERE'S BUSY TIMES FOR EVERYONE THAT'S ACROSS THE BOARD. WELL, THAT'S NOT WITH THE CURRENT SYSTEM. YOU HAVE ALREADY ANOTHER UNIT ON ITS WAY. BUT IF WE'RE HAVING TO CALL MUTUAL AID, THAT'S NOT A SYSTEM THAT'S HIGH. ARE YOU AVAILABLE? YES. NO. I FEEL LIKE THERE'S EVEN MORE OF A DELAY POTENTIAL WITH THAT. AND IS THAT TRULY PROVIDING THE SERVICE THAT WE WANT TO PROVIDE? WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT LEVEL OF SERVICE YOU WANT TO PROVIDE. WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE, NOW YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT, WILL I HAVE TO INCUR A PROCESS DELAY POTENTIALLY TO GET AUTOMATIC AID. ONE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S TRUE, BUT LET'S JUST SAY IT IS. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TWO, THREE, FOUR OR FIVE PERCENT OF THE TIME THAT YOU WOULD NEED AUTOMATIC AID BASED ON YOUR INVESTMENT IN YOUR OWN COMMUNITY VERSUS ONE HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIME THAT THEY WERE OCCURRING AND DELAY TRANSFERRING THE CALLS CURRENTLY. SO IT'S IT'S A POLICY BALANCE TO GO BACK AND FORTH ABOUT YOUR RESOURCE ALLOCATION, RIGHT? SO YEAH, I'D BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT THAT. BUT THE REASON SYSTEM STATUS MODELS WORK WELL IS BECAUSE EVERYBODY ISN'T UNIVERSALLY BUSY AT THE EXACT SAME TIME. THAT'S WHY THE RESOURCES MIGRATE BACK AND FORTH ACROSS THE SYSTEM, RIGHT? IF IF EVERYBODY WAS ALWAYS BUSY AT THE SAME TIME, THEN IT WOULD REQUIRE MORE RESOURCES. BUT THE DEPTH OF THE SYSTEM IS TO THEIR ADVANTAGE THAT THEY BRING RESOURCES IN BECAUSE DIFFERENT AREAS WILL GET BUSIER AT DIFFERENT TIMES. THERE MAY BE SOME TIMES LIKE RUSH HOURS THAT REALLY THERE'S A COMMONALITY, BUT ACROSS SYSTEMS THAT WE LOOK AT, IT'S NOT UNIVERSALLY TRUE THAT THE MINUTE YOU KNOW, FORT WORTH GETS BUSY, BURLESON HAS TO BE BUSY. THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY TRUE. YES. EXCUSE ME, JESSICA COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON, JUST TO ADDRESS WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID, IT'S AN ASSUMPTION THAT MEDSTAR, WHEN A UNIT IS DISPATCHED HERE ON SEEING, THEY WILL SEND ANOTHER UNIT DOWN. THAT'S THE PLAN, BUT THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN. MEDSTAR REQUIRES MUTUAL AID. I SHARED THAT BEFORE. THERE ARE RESOURCES ARE NOT EXHAUSTIVE. THEY WILL BE PROBABLY THE FIRST TO TELL YOU AGAIN, JUST LIKE WE HAVE AN ALTERNATE STAFFING PLAN. IF WE GO FORWARD, WE'RE GOING TO BE STAFFING ACCORDING TO ANALYTICS AND KIND OF THE GUTS, WHETHER COMING IN OR WHATNOT. BUT THERE'S A GOAL THAT MED STAR HAS. THEY MENTIONED FIFTY ONE UNITS ON ANY GIVEN DAY, DEPENDING ON THE HOUR, THERE MAY BE UNITS THAT ARE IN THE NUMBERS OF TEENS. THEY COULD BE IN THE SYSTEM IN THE SYSTEM. THERE COULD BE 20, THERE COULD BE 30. IT DEPENDS NOBODY TELLING YOU THIS THAT THERE'S AN ALTERNATE STAFFING MODEL THROUGHOUT THE DAY BASED ON HISTORICAL DEMAND. GENERALLY, IF A UNIT IS AVAILABLE, THEY WILL HEAD THIS WAY. HOWEVER, THERE ARE TIMES IN THIS SYSTEM THAT THERE ARE NO UNITS AVAILABLE. THEY REACH LEVEL ZERO, JUST LIKE EVERYONE. SO I'M JUST TRYING FOR THE DISCUSSION, THE POLICY TO GIVE THE COUNCIL SOME COMFORT THAT WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE MEDSTAR COUNCIL MUTUAL AID NOT ONLY TO RESPOND HERE. SO THERE ARE TIMES WHERE THERE ARE NO UNITS AVAILABLE TO HEAD DOWN HERE AND THAT'S IN OTHER PARTS OF THE SYSTEM AS WELL. MUTUAL AID IS CRITICAL FOR ANY SYSTEM OURS, INCLUDING MED STARS NOT SPEAKING FOR THEM, BUT IT IS AN ABSOLUTE STRATEGIC NECESSITY FOR ANY CITY TO HAVE MUTUAL AID AGREEMENTS WITH THE SURROUNDING LOCALITIES AND EVEN WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS AND WHAT WE CALL CALL STIFFNESS MS.. SO I HOPE THAT ADDRESSES THE MUTUAL AID, THE AMOUNT OF RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE. THEY WILL SEND THEM TO THE DEGREE THEY CAN. BUT AS DR. KNIGHT IS POINTING OUT IN THIS ONE, AND I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO HIM. THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THEY WILL BE HERE RIGHT NOW, AND I'M NOT SAYING MUTUAL AID WILL NOT BE A PART OF ANY AGREEMENT, BUT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING A PART OF A SYSTEM LIKE, AND I'M MATT. COME BACK, PLEASE. HOW OFTEN DO YOU CALL FOR MUTUAL AID? ABOUT THREE PERCENT OF OUR CALL VOLUME OVERALL, SO TIMES WE HAVE IN THE TEENS OF UNITS OUT? SO ON A ON A SUNDAY NIGHT INTO MONDAY MORNING, OUR STAFFING LEVEL IS PROBABLY LOWEST [INAUDIBLE] BUT I THINK OUR LOWEST LEVEL STAFFING IS THIRTY ONE. RIGHT? [00:45:12] MIC] SO HOW DOES THE LAST SIX WEEKS? DOES MUTUAL AID WORK THE SAME WAY WITH YOU THAT IT WOULD US LIKE? WE HAVE TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND SAY, HEY RENDON, ARE YOU READY? NO, OUR ONE UNITS OUT. HEY, CROWLEY, DO YOU HAVE ONE OF YOUR UNITS AVAILABLE? AND THAT HAPPENS ALMOST EVERY TIME WE REQUEST MUTUAL AID STAFFING IN EMS AND REALLY IN ANY SERVICE LEVEL COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW IS VERY DIFFICULT AND CALL VOLUME IS VERY UNPREDICTABLE. WE HAVE EXPERIENCED OVER THE LAST YEAR TO YEAR AND A HALF, IT IS INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT FOR US TO GET A MUTUAL AID PROVIDER TO RESPOND TO ONE OF OUR CALLS. WE PROVIDE MUCH MORE MUTUALLY. WE PROVIDE MUCH MORE MUTUAL AID THAN WE RECEIVE. YOU RECEIVE AND AGENCIES LIKE CROWLEY, BENBROOK, JOHNSON COUNTY, EVEN ARLINGTON. MANY TIMES WHEN WE ARE LITERALLY CALLING AROUND TO SEE WHO'S AVAILABLE. THE ANSWER IS NO, WE'RE NOT AVAILABLE BECAUSE WE'RE BUSY TOO. WHICH IS WHY ONE OF THE BIG INITIATIVES THAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS WORKING OUT MUTUAL AID AGREEMENTS FOR THE NON-EMERGENCY CALLS SO THAT WE CAN NOT HAVE TO DO THOSE USING OUR RESOURCES TO KEEP OUR RESOURCES AVAILABLE FOR THE EMERGENCY CALLS. WHO WOULD RESPOND? OTHER AGENCIES FROM OUTSIDE THE AREA THAT ARE NON-EMERGENCY AMBULANCE SERVICES, SO WE WOULD MUTUAL AID THE ENTIRE FACILITY TRANSFER, HAVE SOMEONE ELSE DO THAT TRANSFER SO THAT WE COULD KEEP OUR UNITS AVAILABLE FOR EMERGENCY CALLS. IN CLOSING, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS AGAIN ABOUT THE LAST SIX WEEKS. WE ASKED THIS DATA FROM KEN SIMPSON. UNLESS WE MISREAD SOMETHING, IT'S AN AVERAGE THEY HAVE THEIR STAFFING GOALS. BUT THE DATA THAT WE SAW THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT ARE ON THE STREET ARE IN THE TEENS DEPENDS ON WHAT HOUR OF DAY. AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT HERE TO DEBATE OTHER THAN JUST TO GIVE THE HIGHEST LEVEL. IT'S NOT FIFTY ONE EVERY HOUR. THERE ARE TIMES AGAIN THAT MEDSTAR REQUIRES MUTUAL AID ABOUT A HUNDRED TIMES FROM CROWLEY . CROWLEY, ACCORDING TO CHIEF BROOKS, CLOSE TO ONE HUNDRED TIMES THAT THEY HAVE RAN MUTUAL AID TO HEAR. WHEN WE HAD AN INCIDENT THAT MEDSTAR WASN'T AVAILABLE AND AT TIMES THEIR SYSTEM GOES DOWN TO LEVEL ZERO. JUST LIKE MOST SYSTEMS DO OR MANY DO, SO THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE DISCUSSION IS JUST TO PUT SOME BALANCE INTO IT. AND JUST TO ARTICULATE SOMETHING THAT CHIEF FREEMAN JUST SAID. IT'S NOT JUST WHEN WE DON'T HAVE UNITS AVAILABLE THAT WE MAY REQUEST MUTUAL AID. IF WE BELIEVE THAT A MUTUAL AID PROVIDER IS CLOSER TO A CALL, THEN THE NEXT AVAILABLE UNIT FROM US, THEN WE'LL SEE IF THEY CAN DO THAT. SO IT'S NOT ONLY IF THE SYSTEM GETS TO VERY LOW OR NO LEVEL, IT'S VERY PROACTIVE. AND WHEN MUTUAL AID RESPONDS, THEY BILL THAT'S ON THEM TO CAPTURE WHATEVER THEY CAN FROM THAT. YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM. OK, SO ON THIS SLIDE, THE REAL TAKEAWAY THAT BACK TO YOUR PREVIOUS QUESTION, THE REAL TAKEAWAY THAT WE WERE TRYING TO EXPRESS BECAUSE IT'S CONFUSING ON THE SYSTEM DESIGN, FOR SURE. WHAT WE'RE DEMONSTRATING ON THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS, LIKE YOU SAID, NINETY TWO PERCENT OF THE CALLS COULD BE CAPTURED WITHIN A 10 MINUTE DRIVE TIME FROM A SINGLE RESOURCE IN TOWN. OUR POINT IS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW MANY RESOURCES ARE HERE, IF THERE WERE FOUR RESOURCES IN TOWN, YOUR PERFORMANCE WOULD BE MUCH BETTER, RIGHT? JUST LIKE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S CAPABILITY TO PROVIDE THAT LEVEL OF PERFORMANCE. THE REASON IT'S NOT IS BECAUSE THOSE UNITS AREN'T HERE. THEY'RE PART OF A SYSTEM AND THEY GET MOVED IN ON BASED ON THE DEMAND. AND DEPENDING ON THEIR POST STRATEGY AND ALL THE OTHER DEMANDS IN THE SYSTEM, THEY MIGHT BE COMING FROM FARTHER AND FARTHER AWAY. THE ONLY POINT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE HERE IS IF A UNIT WAS HERE. UNIVERSALLY, THE PERFORMANCE WOULD BE AROUND 10 MINUTES, WHICH IT'S NOT RIGHT NOW. SO THAT'S ALL. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO POINT OUT HOW MANY UNITS ARE REALLY IN THE SYSTEM. SO ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP LAST TIME THAT WE WANTED TO TRY TO ADDRESS, AND I ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES IN THE APPROPRIATENESS OF OF TRYING TO BALANCE A READINESS MODEL VERSUS A DEMAND MODEL IN COSTING STRATEGIES. BUT THIS SLIDE WAS BROUGHT UP WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT THEIR THIRD PARTY, THE PUBLIC CONSULTING GROUP, LOOKED AT A COST RECOVERY STRATEGY IS IS REALLY THE ORIGIN OF THIS DOCUMENT, AND IT WAS THE COST PER TRANSPORT AND IT WAS REALLY BASED OFF OF LOOKING FOR REIMBURSEMENT MODEL, COST RECOVERY MODEL FOR MEDICAID AND THE UNINSURED, RIGHT? SO THAT WAS THAT WAS KIND OF THE BACKGROUND FOUNDATION OF WHY THEY WERE LOOKING AT COSTS IN THIS MANNER. AND RIGHTFULLY SO, THEY SHOW THAT MED STAR'S COSTS ARE GENERALLY LOW ACROSS THE COMPARATORS AND YOU WOULD EXPECT NOTHING ELSE WITH A WITH A HIGH PERFORMANCE EMS SYSTEM. [00:50:01] BUT THE COSTS ARE DIFFICULT TO ADDRESS AGENCY TO AGENCY BECAUSE LIKE I DESCRIBED IN A READINESS MODEL, YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT SEEKING THOSE CALLS. IT'S NOT A PRODUCTION MODEL WHERE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS INEFFICIENT. IF THEY DON'T RUN SEVENTY FIVE CALLS TODAY, THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO ANSWER THE CALLS THAT THE COMMUNITY REQUESTS OF THEM. SO THERE'S A LOT OF SUNK COSTS IN THOSE, AND THE PER CALL ANCHOR IS REALLY KIND OF AN ERRONEOUS MEASURE FROM A MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF IF I JUST SAY IT THIS WAY, IF MED STARS CALL VOLUME DROPPED BY THIRTY FIVE PERCENT, THEN THEIR COST PER CALL IS GOING TO GO UP UNTIL THEY RIGHT SIZE THE AGENCY SIZE, RIGHT? SO SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A SLIDING SCALE WHEN YOU ANCHOR IT TO A DENOMINATOR FOR THE NUMBER OF CALLS, THERE'S BETTER WAYS TO ADDRESS HOW TO HOW TO LOOK AT THAT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID AND I WILL SAY BECAUSE I HAD NO CONVERSATION WITH MATT OR KEN ON THIS, SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT MED STAR'S ACTUAL REAL UNIT HOUR COSTS ARE. THIS IS A THEORETICAL EXERCISE IN ORDER FOR US TO TO COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES BECAUSE IT WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING ON THE LAST ROUND. SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT, IF WE WERE GOING TO COMPARE A MODEL AND WE COMPARED ALL THE MODELS OF TWO UNITS, THREE UNITS, FOUR UNITS, ET CETERA, THAT THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT PRESENTED LAST TIME THE OPTIONS ABC AND D. WE LOOKED AT, HOW COULD WE COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES BETWEEN WHAT MED STAR WOULD NEED TO DO TO PROVIDE THOSE RESOURCES THE SAME AS AS THE CITY WOULD? SO THE REPORTED PER TRANSPORT COSTS FROM THAT LAST SLIDE YOU SAW FROM THE THIRD PARTY WAS THREE HUNDRED NINETY SIX DOLLARS AND ONE CENT AND THAT WAS FROM 2019. AND THEN WE HAVE WHAT WAS REPORTED BY MEDSTAR HERE RECENTLY IN TWENTY TWENTY ONE FOUR HUNDRED AND THIRTY SEVEN DOLLARS AND FORTY THREE CENTS. SO I'M IN THAT TOP MIDDLE BUCKET. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE RANGE OF THE TRANSPORT COSTS THAT'S BEEN REPORTED. SO WE TRANSLATED THOSE PER TRANSPORT COSTS INTO WHAT WE CALL A UNIT OUR COST. SO YOU COULD SAY HOW MUCH IS IT COST TO DEPLOY A RESOURCE FOR AN HOUR ON THE DEPLOYMENT? THAT WAY, WE CAN THEN COMPARE. IF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD FOUR UNITS AT MEDSTAR HAD FOUR OR FOUR UNITS, WHAT WOULD WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE? THAT WAS THE STRATEGY. SO THE YEAR AND OUR COST VARIED AND I DID A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT METHODOLOGIES. ONE WAS JUST STRAIGHT, THE COST TIMES THE TRANSPORTS AND WE CONVERTED IT TO A SINGLE UNIT. AND THEN THE OTHER WAS BASED ON THE PRODUCTION ASPECT OF THEIR UNIT, OUR UTILIZATION AND THEIR TRANSPORT UNIT, OUR UTILIZATION. SO BUT ALL THAT DECIDE THE LOWEST UNIT, HOUR COST WAS ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY SEVEN DOLLARS AND EIGHTY THREE CENTS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE STUCK WITH. JUST TO GIVE THAT AND JUST TO PUT SOME PERSPECTIVE OF WHETHER THAT'S REASONABLE. WE DO A LOT OF WORK AROUND THE COUNTRY AND AROUND ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS RANGE, AS IS TYPICALLY. WHERE THINGS SETTLE OUT AND THEN IT'S NOT PUBLIC YET, BUT WE WERE WE'VE PARTICIPATED IN DOING A RECENT MARKET SURVEY FOR PUBLIC UTILITY MODELS, AND THE RANGE WAS BETWEEN ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY DOLLARS, A UNIT HOUR TO TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS A UNIT HOURS. SO THE LANE FOR THE EXERCISE IS AT LEAST REASONABLE TO TO ASSUME THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S GOOD FOR THE THIS REALLY CONFUSES ME AND I TRY TO I'VE TRIED, BUT THIS SLIDE CONFUSES THIS ONE. WELL, THE WHOLE UNIT HOUR COST, WE DON'T PAY FIRE HOURLY. THEY'RE GOING TO BE ON SALARY AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO BILL. I MEAN, IS THIS A IS THIS INCLUDING STEP PAY PENSION? AND THERE'S MORE THAT GOVERNMENT PAYS. THERE'S MORE IN OUR PAY AND WHAT WE HAVE TO INCLUDE THAN WHAT MEDSTAR HAS TO INCLUDE. AND WE I MEAN, WE DON'T WE'RE NOT GOING TO BILL BASED ON HOURS. WE MAY HAVE A HEART ATTACK. THAT'S THEY PICK UP AND IN 30 MINUTES, THEY'VE GOT THEM TO HUGUELY AND THEY'RE BACK IN SERVICE WITHIN AN HOUR. BUT WE MAY HAVE SOMEONE WHO JUST IS LOOKING FOR A HOT MEAL IN A HOT PLACE TO LAY THEIR HEAD, AND THEY WANT TO BE TRANSPORTED JP'S BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE INSURANCE, AND IT'S DURING RUSH HOUR AND IT TAKES FIVE HOURS THAT THEY'RE OUT OF SERVICE. BUT EITHER WAY, WE'RE BILLING WHAT WE DID IN THE SERVICE CORRECT? YOU IF IF YOU ELECTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PROVIDING TRANSPORTATION SERVICES IN-HOUSE, YOU WOULD BE BILLING FOR THE ALLOWABLE COSTS AND WHAT YOU CAN BILL FOR FOR DOING A TRANSPORT. NONE OF THESE AND SORRY IF IT'S CONFUSING, BUT NONE OF THESE ARE ABOUT BILLING. IT'S NOT ABOUT YOUR YOUR SALARY, WHAT THIS IS. AND THIS IS AND YOU ACTUALLY HIGHLIGHT THE COST, RIGHT? IT'S THE COST OF THE TAX HIGHLIGHT WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT EXACTLY. BUT THAT HIGHLIGHTS THE DIFFICULTY IN COMPARING AND CONTRASTING A READINESS [00:55:02] MODEL VERSUS DEMAND MODEL, FOR EXAMPLE, IN MED STARS COST. AND AGAIN, THIS IS THEORETICAL, BUT AT MED STAR'S COST. IF THEY WERE TO HAVE A UNIT, OUR COST OR PER TRANSPORT COSTS, THEY WOULD PROBABLY TAKE THE TOTALITY OF THEIR ORGANIZATION AND DIVIDE IT UP BY THE HOURS OF DEPLOYED TIME, ET CETERA, AND COME UP WITH A VALUE, RIGHT? THE REASON IT'S DIFFICULT ON THE READINESS SIDE IS WHETHER OR NOT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TRANSPORTS. THEY PROBABLY STILL NEED THE FIRE CHIEF. RIGHT? YEAH. WHETHER OR NOT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TRANSPORTS, THEY PROBABLY STILL NEED HR. THEY NEED CITY MANAGEMENT, THEY STILL NEED PAYROLL. SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS TO BE APPLES TO APPLES AREN'T NECESSARILY APPLICABLE TO ROLL UP INTO A UNIT. OUR COST BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE THINGS WOULD EXIST WITH OR WITH OUT THE SERVICE CONTEMPLATION, RIGHT? AND THAT'S MY ISSUE TOO, IS EACH CALL IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT AND WE MAY NOT NEED. SO, SO AGAIN, THIS IS ONLY TO SAY IF WE'RE TRYING TO COMPARE THE TWO SYSTEMS, RIGHT, IF WE'RE TRYING TO COMPARE THE TWO SYSTEMS OF WHAT IT WOULD COST TO ROLL OUT THAT LEVEL OF DEPLOYMENT, WHATEVER IT IS, THEN THIS IS THE METHOD TO SAY WHAT ARE THE TRUE COSTS TO DO THIS AND WHAT WOULD THE OTHER COST BE TO DO THIS? IT'S PURELY THAT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BILLING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S A WAY TO COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES SO THAT YOU CAN TRY TO TRY TO ASSESS FROM YOUR POLICY DISCOURSE HOW YOU WANT TO VIEW THE FISCAL ASPECT. SO, YEAH, AND IT CAME RIGHT OUT OF THE PRO FORMA THAT THE CITY PUT TOGETHER, SO LET'S JUST WALK THROUGH HOW WE LOOKED AT THIS, SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE ON THE TABLE THERE ALL THE OPTIONS A, B, C AND D, YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBER OF RESOURCES ASSOCIATED WITH EACH OPTION. SO AGAIN, THE RESOURCES HAVEN'T CHANGED. THE NUMBERS HAVEN'T CHANGED. WHAT THOSE ARE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT YOU WANT TO CONTEMPLATE. THE HOURS ARE BASICALLY HOW MANY HOURS ARE DEPLOYED FOR THOSE TWO RESOURCES, LIKE TWO TWENTY FOUR HOUR UNITS TO TWO AND A HALF WOULD BE TWO TO FOUR HOUR UNITS AND A 12 HOUR UNIT JUST FOR AMBULANCES BECAUSE WE NEED THE EXACT SAME CREW TO RESPOND TO FIRE. JUST AMBULANCES. RIGHT, YEAH, JUST THE AMBULANCE. THAT'S. SO HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THIS IS THE AMOUNT OF DEPLOYED HOURS THEY WOULD BE ON JUST AMBULANCE. BECAUSE IF YOU HAD TO 24 HOUR RESOURCES, THERE'S EIGHT THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED AND SIXTY HOURS IN A YEAR. TWENTY FOUR HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK THAT WOULD COME OUT TO YOU WHEN YOU TIMES THAT TIMES TWO TO TWENTY FOUR HOUR RESOURCES WOULD BE SEVENTEEN THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED AND TWENTY HOURS, BUT THEY'RE ALSO RESPONDING TO OTHER CALLS BECAUSE THEY'RE THERE, THE ADDITIONAL STAFF WE NEED TO MAKE THE FOREIGN OR THE TWO IN TWO HOURS. THIS IS EXACTLY RIGHT. SO NO MATTER WHAT? OK. BUT THEY'RE STILL DEPLOYED. THEY'RE STILL DEPLOYED, RIGHT? SO THERE ARE TWO TWENTY FOUR HOUR RESOURCES TO PUT TO TWENTY FOUR HOUR RESOURCES ON THE ROAD. IT WOULD TAKE SEVENTEEN THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED AND TWENTY HOURS, REGARDLESS OF WHO THE PROVIDER IS. BUT YOU HIGHLIGHT ANOTHER GREAT POINT. THAT'S WHY THERE'S A VALUE ADD AND A BETTER RETURN ON INVESTMENT FOR THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE THOSE RESOURCES CAN OCCUPY THAT READINESS SUNK COSTS BY DOING OTHER ACTIVITIES. IT'S A SMART WAY TO GO RATHER THAN HAVING A SINGLE ROLE WHERE THEY'RE JUST SITTING THERE IDLE, WAITING ON THE CALL. SO THERE'S A BENEFIT TO THE CITY TO DEPLOY THAT WAY. SO AS WE CONTINUE DOWN, WE LOOKED AT THE THE BFD COSTS ARE ALL STRAIGHT OUT OF THE PRO FORMA THAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU. WE USED THE YEAR 2025 BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST YEAR OF IMPLEMENTATION IF YOU WENT THAT WAY, AND IT HAD SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL COSTS AND SUPPORT ACTIVITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WERE ROLLED UP. AND THEN WE LOOKED AT THE TOTAL COSTS, AND AGAIN, THOSE TOTAL COSTS ARE PURELY THE ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY SEVEN DOLLARS AND EIGHTY THREE CENTS A DEPLOYED OUR TIMES THE RESOURCE, THE DEPLOYED HOURS FOR THE DIFFERENT SCENARIO. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE COSTS BOTH FOR BOARD AND MEDSTAR, AND THIS IS JUST PURE EXPENDITURES. THIS DIDN'T CONSIDER SUNK COSTS. IT DIDN'T CONSIDER COST RECOVERY OR ANYTHING ELSE. THIS IS JUST WHAT THE EXPENDITURES WOULD BE FOR THE EXPANSION FOR THE CITY AND MEDSTAR. SO THE NEXT ONE IS WHAT WE DID IS WE LOOKED AT ALL THE COSTS, BUT WE ADJUSTED IT FOR THE CURRENT EXPENDITURES, RIGHT? SO YOUR EXISTING INVESTMENT WAS IN THERE. SO FOR YOU AND I'LL USE APPROXIMATE NUMBERS, BUT FOR YOU, YOU'RE TWO SQUADS OR RIGHT AROUND ONE POINT THREE MILLION DOLLARS. SO I THINK IT WAS 1.29. SO WE BACKED OUT THE THE INVESTMENT THAT YOU HAVE FOR THE SQUADS TODAY. AND THEN WE DID THE SAME THING. WE CALCULATED OUT THAT A FULL UNIT FOR MEDSTAR, SO WE BACKED OUT WHAT WHAT WE HAD AS THEIR COSTS FOR A UNIT FOR MEDSTAR AND BACK THAT OUT OF THEIRS AS WELL, SO THAT THE [01:00:04] SUNK COST OR EXISTING EXPENDITURES WERE ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE SYSTEM. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE HOW THE THE THE COST PER CALLS ADJUSTED ON THERE AND WHAT THE TOTAL COST FOR FOR PROVIDING THE SERVICES ON THAT. AND THEN THIS LAST ONE, THEY'RE ALL INCREMENTAL, RIGHT? SO WE JUST STARTED WITH ALL EXPENDITURES. WE WENT WITH EXPENDITURES LESS INVESTMENT AND THIS ONE IS ALL COSTS WITH THE ADJUSTMENTS FOR RECURRENT INVESTMENT AND THE COST RECOVERY. SO YOU CAN SEE ON THIS ONE THAT THE THE RED IS ACTUALLY IS A NEGATIVE VALUE. UNLIKE THE OTHER TWO, WE HAD TO FLIP IT FOR THE REVENUE SIDE. BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THE TOTAL FISCAL BENEFIT LOOKS GOOD FOR THE CITY UNDER THOSE OPTIONS. AND IT ISN'T UNTIL THE LAST OPTION THAT YOU HAVE SOME, SOME MARGINAL DRIFT THERE AND THEY'RE IN A BETTER POSITION. YOU INTERNALLY ARE IN A BETTER POSITION TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES BASED ON THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. SO AGAIN, IT LOOKS LOOKS GOOD. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS NOT INCLUDING THE STAFF. SO WE'VE WHAT WHAT STAFF, THE INVESTMENT OF THE ONE POINT THREE, RIGHT? YOU BACKED THAT OUT? THE EXISTING INVESTMENT THAT YOU HAVE TODAY, YES, WAS BACKED OUT EXACTLY RIGHT. JUST LIKE IT WAS IN THE PRO FORMA. YEAH. SO NOW LET'S MOVE ON TO CONFIDENCE IN THE REVENUE PROJECTIONS, RIGHT? SO THERE WAS SOME DIALOG FROM THE GROUP LAST TIME ABOUT THREATS TO THE PAYER MIX, YOU KNOW, THE THE LEVEL OF EXPERTIZE, THE UNKNOWNS ASSOCIATED WITH BILLING. SO AGAIN, WE JUST WANTED TO LOOK AT. WE ACTUALLY RUN A TEXAS GROUND AMBULANCE OPERATION AND WE ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PAYER MIXES AND WE USE THE PAYER MIX THAT WAS PROVIDED BY MEDSTAR. WE LOOKED AT THE SOCIOECONOMICS THAT DRIVE THE UNDERPINNING OF PAYER MIXES AND YOUR DEMOGRAPHICS AND YOUR COMMUNITY, AND EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD. SO THE RANGE THAT THE CITY UTILIZED WAS ONE POINT SIX MILLION. ONE OF THE DOCUMENTS WAS AS HIGH AS TWO POINT ONE MILLION THAT WAS PROVIDED BY MEDSTAR. SO IT'S A VERY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE WHICH IS IN YOUR BENEFIT TO START OFF CONSERVATIVELY INSTEAD OF ASSUMING A LARGE COST RECOVERY. BUT WE REALLY AND WE TRIED TO BOLD IT HERE, BUT YOU SHOULD CONFIDENTLY. WE EXPECT TO MIRROR WHATEVER THE MED STARS COLLECTION IS, RIGHT? YOU HAVE THE SAME PATIENT POPULATION, THE SAME CALLS, THE SAME INSURANCE AND PAYER MIX PROFILE, AND THEN THE CITY CAN EVEN HIRE AND WE ACTUALLY RECOMMEND YOU TO YOU COULD HIRE THE SAME OR ANOTHER EXPERT BILLING COMPANY, JUST LIKE MEDSTAR DOES. SO THERE'S REALLY THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULD INDICATE THAT THERE SHOULD BE SIGNIFICANT RISK ASSOCIATED WITH THE COST RECOVERY ASPECT. EVERYTHING SHOULD BE ACTUALLY QUITE STABLE FOR YOU, AND YOU SHOULDN'T EXPECT ANYTHING LESS. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT KIND OF SUMMARIZE WHAT ARE THE KEY ISSUES MOVING FORWARD, RIGHT? SO LAST TIME, AND THAT'S WHY WE TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE IS, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS THE PRESENTATIONS GOING BACK AND FORTH, BLENDED STATE SYSTEM LEVEL, LOCAL COMPARISONS, ET CETERA, KIND OF ACROSS THE BOARD. SOMETIMES IT WAS AN APPLES TO APPLES. SO THAT WAS SOME OF THE CLARITY THAT WE ATTEMPTED TODAY WHEN WE LOOKED AT YOUR FISCAL AND OPERATIONAL ANALYZES. THEY DEMONSTRATE THAT THAT MEDSTAR IS NOT FOR PROVIDING THE DEPLOYMENT STRATEGY THAT THEY RECOMMENDED. SO IF IF FOUR UNITS IS THE RIGHT FOR YOU, THEN YOU PROBABLY WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION WHY THERE AREN'T FOUR UNITS HERE TODAY. IN EVERY FISCAL EVALUATION, THE CITY CAN PROVIDE SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVED SERVICES THAT ARE HIGHLY SUSTAINABLE AND PROVIDE A NET FISCAL BENEFIT FOR THE CITY. IN AN EVERY FISCAL EVALUATION, THE CITY PROVIDES A GREATER RETURN ON INVESTMENT THAN THE CURRENT PROVIDER. SO THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF THE THE BENEFIT AND THE VALUE ADD. THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF HAVING MULTIPURPOSE ROLES IN YOUR FIRE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE YOU DO GET THAT BETTER RETURN ON INVESTMENT. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS FULLY CAPABLE OF MEETING AND EXCEEDING THE CLINICAL EXCELLENCE THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS IN THE SYSTEM. AND IF YOU REMEMBER FROM THE LAST PRESENTATION, MED STAR REALLY PUT FORTH A NICE, NICE DESCRIPTION OF THEIR CLINICAL ASPECT AND THEIR MEDICAL OR THEIR MEDICAL DIRECTOR. BUT IN ALL THAT DATA THAT HE SHOWED YOUR YOUR CITY STAFF IS CONTRIBUTING TO THAT EXCELLENCE AS IT IS TODAY, AND THERE'S NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT IT WOULDN'T CONTINUE IN THE FUTURE. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS DESIGNED TO PROVIDE A HIGHER, BETTER PERFORMANCE AT THE 90TH PERCENTILE AS COMPARED TO THE EIGHTY FIFTH THAT'S OUT THERE TODAY. SO YOU EVEN EVEN JUST LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME, SOME GREATER VALIDITY AND PERFORMANCE AND THE CITY IS NOT IN ANY IDENTIFIABLE RISK. AGAIN, ON THE BILLING OR COST RECOVERY AND AND EVEN IF THERE WAS, MEDSTAR WOULD [01:05:03] HAVE TO NAVIGATE THE SAME IMPACTS TO YOUR PAYER MIX IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT CHANGED. SO THERE'S NOTHING EXCLUSIVE TO THE CITY. THE CITY'S EXPERIENCE ON THAT THE PAYER MIXES ARE ASSOCIATED WITH YOUR SOCIOECONOMIC AND DEMOGRAPHICS. LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT JUST A SNAPSHOT, YOUR MEDIAN AGE PERSONS AND POVERTY PERSON. SIXTY FIVE AND OF THESE ARE ALL CENSUS DATA AND PERSONS WITHOUT HEALTH INSURANCE. ALL OF THOSE LOOK PRETTY GOOD. YOU'RE NOT TOO DISTANCE, I THINK, ON AGE AND HEALTH INSURANCE FROM THE STATE AT LARGE. BUT YOU'RE YOU'RE LOOK BETTER IN SOME OTHER AREAS. AND AGAIN, WE'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO OUTSOURCE THE BILLING TO A SIMILAR AGENCY, IF NOT THE SAME AGENCY THAT THAT MEDSTAR OUTSOURCES BILLING TOO. AGAIN ON THE, AND PAUL DID A GREAT JOB ON THIS LAST TIME, BUT ELIMINATING THE CALL TRANSFER TIMES IS A NET BENEFIT. IT'LL IT'LL IMPROVE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, AND IT WILL PROVE THE CITIZENS EXPERIENCE NOT HAVING TO REPEAT THAT INFORMATION AND FOLLOW WHAT IS NATIONALLY RECOMMENDED AS BEST PRACTICE. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT NOT THAT BURLESON WILL ANSWER ALL NINE ONE ONE CALLS FOR OUR IF WE TAKE THIS OVER, WE'RE SOLELY TAKING ON THE CALLS. WE WON'T HAVE TO HAVE TO TRANSFER IT RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY CASES WHERE WE MIGHT HAVE TO, WHERE THE TRANSFERS MIGHT TAKE PLACE? YEAH, I THINK I THINK AND IT'S HARD TO ANSWER THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF TECHNOLOGY THAT YOU CAN THAT YOU CAN UTILIZE TO ROUND OUT ANY OF THOSE ROUGH EDGES. BUT AS IT STANDS TODAY, LET'S JUST SAY YOU'RE COVERING NINETY SEVEN POINT NINETY EIGHT PERCENT OF ALL YOUR CALLS THAT THREE PERCENT OF THE TIME YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME PROCESS TO TO REQUEST ADDITIONAL SERVICES, RIGHT, JUST LIKE MEDSTAR DOES TODAY FOR THEIR THREE PERCENT OF THE TIME. SO WHATEVER PERCENTAGE OF THAT IS, IS GOING TO BE A VERY SMALL, MANAGEABLE NUMBER AS COMPARED TO, WELL, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS GOING NOW, BUT HOW THEY USED TO TRANSFER THE CALL AND THEN WAIT, SO YOU CAN'T RULE IT ALL OUT. I MEAN, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE THOSE INSTANCES. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MUTUAL AID BASICALLY FOR COMMUNICATION TOO. WELL, IT JUST DEPENDS HOW YOU SET IT UP. THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IT'S HARD TO ANSWER BECAUSE YOU COULD INVEST IN A CAT TO CAT SITUATION. THERE'S A LOT OF THERE'S A LOT OF TECHNOLOGICAL ISSUES THAT THAT WHAT YOU ALL SUGGESTED IN YOUR FIRST PRESENTATION. YOU MENTIONED WE WERE AT SOME POINT IF WE MAKE THIS TRANSITION, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO UPGRADE OUR COMMUNICATION CENTER. IN FACT, I THINK YOU SAID SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES THAT WE SHOULD MAKE ONE LIKE MEDSTAR. WELL, I'M NOT SURE WE SAID MAKE ONE LIKE MED STAR, BUT THE PROCESS OF MEDICAL PARTY DISPATCH LIKE MEDSTAR IS WHAT WE RECOMMEND FOR SURE. YEAH. THE WHY I'M ASKING ABOUT THE TRANSFERS IS I JUST HAD THIS INCIDENT TWO WEEKS AGO, I ACTUALLY GOT TRANSFERRED THREE TIMES. MM HMM. JOHNSON COUNTY PICKED UP MY FIRST CALL. MM HMM. AND AND THEN I WAS TRANSFERRED TO BURLESON, AND THEN I WAS TRANSFERRED TO MEDSTAR. AND EACH OF THOSE TIMES YOU HAVE TO REPEAT YOURSELF. AND SO THAT DOES TAKE PLACE NOW. SO I WANT TO UNDERSTAND. I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHY OR HOW. YEAH, SURE. COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON, I THINK BECAUSE THERE'S A CLEAR DISTINCTION AND I'M GOING TO ADDRESS IT HERE IN JUST A MOMENT. BUT OUR DISPATCH IS A PRIMARY [INAUDIBLE] ALL EMERGENCY CALLS COMING IN TODAY AND IN THE FUTURE. IF WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO THE TRANSPORTATION PART, WE WILL NOT TRANSFER TO ANOTHER PERSON. ONCE WE HAVE THE CALL. CORRECT, IT'S WHERE A PHONE OR THE TOWER PICKS UP. BUT WHEN THEY COME INTO OURS, WE WOULD NOT BE MANDATED TO TRANSFER. OK. DOES THAT CLARIFY? I GET IT. I JUST LIKE THE FIRST TIME I CALLED A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. BURLESON PICKED UP, RIGHT? AND THIS TIME JOHNSON COUNTY. SO IT WAS AN ADDITIONAL STEP AND I WAS LIKE, OK, MIGHT BE WORTH THE CELL TOWER. IT'S WHAT WHERE THE CELL TOWER, WHOEVER PINGED OR WHOEVER PICKED UP THAT PING THAT TIME? YEAH, THEY WERE EVEN LIKE, I'M SORRY. KIND OF LIKE, OH, WELL, LET ME TRANSFER YOU TO BURLESON. YEAH. SO SO THE ANSWER IS, AS THE CHIEF SAID, YES, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU BRING IT IN HOUSE, YOU'LL JUST KEEP THE CALL RATHER THAN TRANSFER IT. SO THE OPTIONS OR TIMES OR FREQUENCY THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ANY TRANSFERS OR IS GOING TO BE A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE WHERE THE CURRENT OPEN, IT CAN'T HAPPEN. BUT TODAY, THE AGREEMENT SAYS ONE HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE CALLS NEEDS TO BE TRANSFERRED TO MED STAR ONCE WE KNOW THAT A TRANSPORT IS NECESSARY. NO, AS SOON AS IT'S A MEDICAL CALL IT'LL GO TO, IT'LL GO TO MEDSTAR. SO, OK, SO YOUR QUESTION, DOES THIS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CAT UPGRADE THAT'S ALSO GOING TO BE TALKED ABOUT LATER? [01:10:01] YES. WE'LL HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF THE CURRENT OR THE THE ONE THAT WE NEED TO UPGRADE TO OUR IT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THE CAD ABILITY TO FEEL TO DO THE EMDING. WE WILL HAVE THE CAPACITY, OUR CURRENT ONE AND THEN WE WILL THEN OUR NEW ONE. THERE ARE SOME NUANCES THAT ONCE WE GET TO THAT POINT, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT AS WELL. SO THE CURRENT CAD SYSTEM IS REACHED END OF LIFE FOR THE TECHNOLOGY, I KNOW. BUT YEAH, BUT IT'S NOT BEING THE REPLACEMENT OF THE SYSTEM IS NOT BEING DRIVEN BY THE MEDICAL DISPATCH. UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I WANT TO KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THAT UPGRADE IS TO THE UNDERTAKING OF THIS. YOU CAN ASK PAUL BRADLEY TO ADDRESS THAT. BECAUSE WE CAN'T JUST SAY, OH, THIS IS JUST ONE PIECE, THESE KIND OF GO TOGETHER AND THAT'S ANOTHER $2 MILLION. FOR THE NEW CAD SYSTEM, YES, MA'AM, BUT OUR CURRENT CAD IS CAPABLE OF INTERFACING WITH EMERGENCY MEDICAL DISPATCH PROTOCOL. SO WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO BASICALLY FLIP THAT SWITCH TO MAKE IT POPULATE AND DROP THOSE NOTES INTO THE CAD. SO OUR CURRENT CAD IS CAPABLE OF IT, AND WE MUST HAVE THE CAPABILITY WITH OUR FUTURE ONE. DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG WE'VE BEEN DOING DISPATCH HERE IN BURLESON? I'M HONESTLY NOT SURE. I KNOW THAT IT WAS COUNTY MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, BUT MADE ME THINK WITH COUNTY PICKED IT UP. SO I ACTUALLY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THAT AS WELL. WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH TARRANT COUNTY NUMBER ONE DISTRICT ON NEXT GEN 9-1-1. THAT SHOULD HELP TO ELIMINATE YOU GETTING THE WRONG CENTER. SO RIGHT NOW, IT HAPPENS EVERYWHERE, AND I HATE SAYING THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS, BUT IT IS WHEN I WORKED FOR FRISCO BEFORE ONE TIME I CALLED 9-1-1 FROM INSIDE THE CENTER, WHICH IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY. I GOT PLANO. SO IT'S JUST UNFORTUNATE THE WAY IT WORKS. BUT I LIVE IN NORTH BURLESON AND I SOMETIMES GET FORT WORTH. IT'S REALLY IT'S HAPPENED TO ME ONCE, BUT YEAH, IT'S VERY UNFORTUNATE. IT'S A SHAME THAT WE'RE NOT PAST THAT. WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH TECHNOLOGY OR ITS CELL PHONE TECHNOLOGY AND THINGS LIKE THAT, EVEN THOUGH YOUR PING SHOWS WHERE YOU ARE? WHEN WE ANSWER THE PHONE, WHY DID YOU GET JOHNSON COUNTY? IT'S JUST WHERE I MEAN, I'M IN JOHNSON COUNTY, SO IT WASN'T COMPLETELY OUT OF THE REALM, RIGHT? AND I UNDERSTAND FROM THE GRAPEVINE THAT FORT WORTH DISPATCH IS REALLY SHORT ON STAFF, AND THEY'RE HAVING A LOT OF ISSUES OVER THERE. SO IT WASN'T LIKE, MAYBE WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE OUT, I DON'T KNOW. BUT THEN THEY TRANSFERRED ME. IT'S LIKE, OK. SO THAT HAD TO REPEAT MYSELF AND STILL THE SAME THING. OK, WELL, LET ME TRANSFER YOU AGAIN. AND OK, IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING WHEN THAT OCCURS. BUT AS FAR AS THE EMERGENCY MEDICINE, I WAS FREE. LIKE, IT WASN'T DIRE YET, BUT I CAN ONLY IMAGINE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE TO LIKE, REPEAT YOUR ADDRESS AND IT'S LIKE THEY REPEAT IT AND THEN YOU REPEAT IT, AND THEN THEY REPEAT IT AGAIN TO CONFIRM. AND IT'S JUST LIKE, IT'S A GOOD THING. I'M STILL BREATHING. IT'S A BIT MUCH. IT'S A BIT MUCH. BUT YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE IN-HOUSE EMT, WE WOULDN'T BE TRANSFERRING CALLS TO OTHER PLACES UNLESS IT'S JUST ABSOLUTELY NOT IN OUR JURISDICTION. WE WOULD NOT NEED TO TRANSFER TO GET SOMEONE ELSE TO GIVE YOU MEDICAL. AND WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS A FORT WORTH PD CALL. THEY SHOULD TAKE IT. YOU CAN'T SEND IT TO THEM. THEY HAVE TO GO FORT WORTH DISPATCH. I DON'T KNOW IF I UNDERSTAND IF, LIKE, IF IT'S NOT IN OUR JURISDICTION TO DISPATCH, WE STILL WE WOULD HAVE TO TRANSFER IT RIGHT. SO JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER PAYNE MIGHT GET FORT WORTH, FORT WORTH MIGHT GET US. AND SO IF IT'S A CALL THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE US AND IT'S IN THEIR JURISDICTION, WE WOULD TRANSFER IT TO THEM. IT'S JUST WE'RE WAITING ON NEXT GEN 9-1-1. IT'LL HELP ELIMINATE A LOT OF THIS IS THAT I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT DATE ON IT YET. I KNOW THEY'RE REALLY WORKING ON IT TO TRY AND GET IT DONE ASAP. I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THEM AND ASK THEM. OK, SO THIS IS THE LAST SLIDE FOR ME. SO AGAIN, JUST HIGH LEVEL EVERY EVALUATION THAT WE LOOKED AT IN THIS, THE CITY'S IN A PRIME POSITION WHERE YOU CAN HAVE IMPROVED RESPONSE TIME, ENHANCE CONTINUITY CARE AND ENHANCE LOCAL CONTROL THAT'S MORE RESPONSIVE TO YOUR COMMUNITY. SO THE CITY'S ALREADY INVESTED IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS EMS CAPABILITY TO ENSURE BETTER SERVICE. SO THAT'S ALREADY BEEN IN PLACE AND EVERY FISCAL EVALUATION. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S PROPOSAL IS HIGHLY SUSTAINABLE, AND IT PROVIDES A NET FISCAL BENEFIT TO THE CITY AND THE TAXPAYERS, SO IT'S CERTAINLY A VERY REASONABLE POLICY OPTION FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. ANY QUESTIONS OF ME? OK, THANK YOU, CHIEF. THANK YOU. TONIGHT, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, K.T. FREEMAN, AGAIN, FIRE CHIEF. I'VE GOT ONE SLIDE TO GO OVER AND I'LL BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE. DURING THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVE MODELS THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED AND COME UP WITH. BASED ON THAT DISCUSSION, I KNOW THAT IT WAS MENTIONED THAT PERHAPS MEDSTAR COULD [01:15:05] PROVIDE AMBULANCES AND WE COULD PROVIDE THE STAFFING, AND THERE WAS EVEN A MENTION OF PERHAPS SOME COST SHARING. SO I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY. OBVIOUSLY, I RAN A COUPLE OF THOSE SCENARIOS BY ALAN TAYLOR JUST TO HELP PREPARE FOR THIS DISCUSSION. THE POINTS I'M ABOUT TO MAKE IS, FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE, NOT PRESCRIPTIVE. I'M JUST SHARING WITH THE COUNCIL THE POTENTIAL CHALLENGES AND BARRIERS TO IF YOU CONSIDER ALTERNATIVE MODELS. FIRST AND FOREMOST, IT'S SIMPLIFYING. AND ALLEN, IF I MISSPEAK, PLEASE, PLEASE TELL ME. UNDER OUR CURRENT CONTRACT OR CURRENT ORDINANCE, WE'RE BASICALLY EITHER YOU'RE EITHER IN THE MEDSTAR SYSTEM OR YOU'RE OUT OF THE MEDSTAR SYSTEM. TO COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATE STAFFING MODEL, AS WAS MENTIONED. JUST KNOW THAT WAS JUST AS A AS A BRIEF DISCUSSION. IN ESSENCE, WE WOULD BE A CONTRACTOR TO MEDSTAR THAT WOULD AS A CONTRACTOR. AGAIN, THERE WOULD BE NO SINGLE POINT OF AUTHORITY. AS WE DISCUSSED BEFORE, OUR PRIMARY DISPATCH UNDER THE CURRENT INTER LOCAL AND THE ORDINANCE, WE MUST TRANSFER THE CALLS. THERE'S NOT AN OPTION TO DO THAT. AS YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM PAUL THE LAST TIME, IT DOES CAUSE PREVENTABLE DELAYS. IT'S NOT A BEST PRACTICE GOING BACK TO WHAT WAS MENTIONED FROM PAUL BRADLEY, OUR COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER. NOW WE'VE HAD TWO INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY CONSULTANTS TELL US THAT THIS THIS PROCESS, THIS NEED THIS REQUIREMENT TO TRANSFER COSTS. WE SHOULD CEASE DOING THIS COUNCIL MEMBER MCCLENDON MENTIONED IN THE LAST MEETING. THERE'S TWO ASPECTS OF THIS. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY THE POTENTIAL CLINICAL SIDE FOR FOUR DELAYS, ESPECIALLY IN THAT ONE TO TWO PERCENT THAT ARE TRULY LIFE THREATENING. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST TIME THAT THERE IS A POTENTIAL, THE MORE CRITICAL THE CALL WHILE A PERSON IS ON HOLD. AND WHILE THEY'RE HAVING TO WAIT, PERSONS LYING ON THE GROUND, NOT BREATHING, THEN THAT DELAY THE AMOUNT OF DELAY IS CERTAINLY HAVING THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE PATIENT OUTCOMES. THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT COUNCIL MEMBER MCCLENDON MENTIONED THAT IT WAS MENTIONED. WHILE AGO. I'M GLAD THERE WAS NOTHING SERIOUSLY WRONG WITH FROM A LIFE-THREATENING STANDPOINT WHERE YOU GOT TRANSFERRED THREE TIMES AND YOU HAD A DELAY AND OUR CURRENT SYSTEM RIGHT NOW, EVERY EMS CALL THAT COMES INTO OUR PRIMARY PIECE [INAUDIBLE] THAT HAS TO BE DELAYED, THEY GIVE INFORMATION, THEY'RE PLACED ON HOLD AND THEN THEY HAVE TO BE REPEAT THE INFORMATION AGAIN. AND AS COUNSEL OR MAYOR, PRO TEM MCCLENDON SAID. AND AND I AS A CITIZEN WOULD CERTAINLY AGREE THAT OUR CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE THAT I CAN'T IMAGINE ON THE WORST DAY OF YOUR LIFE, HAVING TO REPEAT THAT, HAVING TO HOLD, I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO POINT BY POINT, BUT I WANT TO SHARE WITH THE COUNSEL. SINCE OUR DECEMBER 17TH MEETING, WE ARE STILL HAVING SIGNIFICANT HOLD TIMES AT ANY GIVEN TIME OVER A MINUTE. THERE ARE SEVERAL INSTANCES WHERE TRANSFERS HAVE TAKEN OVER A MINUTE TO TRANSFER. THOSE ARE STILL GOING TO TAKE PLACE OR STILL HAPPENING. AND AGAIN, WE HAVE NO WAY OTHER THAN THERE'S NO WORKAROUND FOR THIS. WE TRIED TO WORK AROUND AND WE DO WORK AROUND IT WITH THE CAD TO CAD, BUT WE HAVE NO WAY AS LONG AS WE'RE UNDER THIS INNER LOCAL AND THIS ORDINANCE. IT IS A MANDATE THAT WE HAVE TO TRANSFER OF THESE CALLS. AND AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN TOLD TWICE BY TWO DIFFERENT CONSULTANTS WE SHOULD CEASE DOING THAT . LACK OF CONTROL, ANY TYPE OF ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORT MODELS. AGAIN, IT'S COUNCIL'S DISCRETION. I'M NOT PUTTING A COMMENTARY ON. I'M JUST MERELY GIVING YOU FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT YOU WOULD BE BE DEALING WITH. WE WOULD LACK TOTAL CONTROL. THE METROPOLITAN AREA EMS AUTHORITY IS DESIGNATED IN THE INNER LOCAL AND THE ORDINANCE. THEY ARE THE SOLE PROVIDER IN BURLESON. OUR CURRENT INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT WAS RATIFIED BY BURLESON AND 14 OTHER MEMBER CITIES. ANY MODIFICATION TO THE INNER LOCAL MUST BE APPROVED BY ALL MEMBER CITIES. WHEN THE INNER LOCAL WAS AMENDED THE LAST TIME TO TAKE CARE OF SOME ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUES THAT BEGAN. THE PROCESS BEGAN JANUARY 28TH, 2019, IN APPROXIMATELY 18 MONTHS LATER. IT WAS RATIFIED, OPENING UP AN INTER LOCAL IS CERTAINLY DOABLE. AND AND THE COUNCIL JUST NEEDS TO BE AWARE OF THAT IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU DECIDE TO GO. THE LAST TIME WE DID THAT WAS 2019, AND IT TOOK ABOUT 18 MONTHS TO GET THINGS PASSED. LASTLY, WE'VE SHARED WITH YOU THAT IF WE GO INTO THE TRANSPORTATION BUSINESS, [01:20:05] IT'S NOT ANYTHING AGAINST DR. VIOLANTE. WE WOULD JUST ASK COUNCIL AGAIN THAT WE NOT BE UNDER BASICALLY TRYING TO SERVE TWO SYSTEMS, TWO BOSSES. AND IN THIS IS THE SAME RESPECT AS FAR AS THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR. AS MUCH AS WE RESPECT DR. VIOLANTE, IT'S NOT BURLESON CENTRIC. YOU HAVE ALREADY HEARD FROM HIM THAT THERE ARE OTHER GOOD PRACTICES. THEY'RE NOT THE ONLY PLAYBOOK IN TOWN, ALTHOUGH THEY'RE A GOOD PLAYBOOK. SO WE WOULD JUST AGAIN BRING THAT BACK TO THE DISCUSSION THAT THERE'S ALSO THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR CHALLENGE AS WELL. IF WE STAY IN THE MEDSTAR SYSTEM, WE ARE STILL UNDER THE AUTHORITY FROM A TRANSPORT AND A MEDICAL DIRECTIVE FROM THE SYSTEM. I'M LIKE, MATT, CAN YOU COME UP, PLEASE? I MEAN, YOU HAD TO LEAVE EARLY LAST TIME, AND SOME OF THESE THINGS HAVE. HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO SOME OF THESE? SO THANK YOU FOR ASKING AND THANK YOU TO THE COUNCIL FOR LETTING ME LEAVE EARLY LAST TIME. I DID HAVE MY GRANDDAUGHTER THAT WAS ARRIVING AT MY OFFICE IN A CAR, NOT IN A PREGNANT SITUATION. I THINK THE FIRST QUESTION ABOUT COST IS REALLY A FUNDAMENTAL DISCUSSION, AND I HAVE ALL THE RESPECT IN THE WORLD FOR STEVE KNIGHT AND TRYING TO TAKE A FULLY DEPLOYED SYSTEM LIKE OURS THAT IS DESIGNED TO BE CLINICALLY PROFICIENT WHILE AT THE SAME TIME ECONOMICALLY EFFICIENT TO A DEDICATED FULL TIME FOUR UNITS IN THE SYSTEM IS NOT A REASONABLE COMPARISON. THE WAY THE SYSTEM WAS DESIGNED WAS DESIGNED ON PURPOSE SO THAT THERE AREN'T THREE, FOUR NUMBER OF AMBULANCES SITTING AROUND BURNING COST WHEN THEY'RE NOT NECESSARY, BUT CAN BE EASILY FILLED IN WITH SHARED RESOURCES ACROSS A ONE MILLION POPULATION SERVICE AREA. SO OUR UNIT HOUR COST, WHICH STEVE TALKED ABOUT QUITE A BIT, TRANSLATES INTO THE COST PER TRANSPORT. SO WHEN THE PUBLIC CONSULTING GROUP DOES THE ANALYSIS OF WHAT IS THE COST FOR A FIRE BASED AMBULANCE PROVIDER COMPARED TO THE COST OF A PROVIDER LIKE MEDSTAR OR REALLY ANY OTHER NON FIRE PROVIDER, THE COST OF READINESS BECOMES THE ISSUE. AND YOU'VE GOT TYPICALLY IN A LOT OF FIRE BASED SYSTEMS WITH GENERALLY A STATIC DEPLOYMENT, SAME NUMBER OF RESOURCES ON AT MIDNIGHT THAT YOU HAVE AT NOON BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY STAFFED 24 HOURS ON 48 HOURS OFF. YOU HAVE HIGHER COST, SO YOUR YOUR HIGHER COST DIVIDED BY EVEN THE SAME NUMBER OF CALLS IS GOING TO RESULT IN A HIGHER COST FOR TRANSPORT. WE TRY TO AVOID THAT IN THE SYSTEM BY HAVING FLEXIBLE DEPLOYMENT, MORE AMBULANCES ON WHEN THERE'S HIGHER CALL VOLUME AND YOU SAW THE PATTERNS ARE VERY THEY'RE RELATIVELY PREDICTABLE. WE BUILD IN THE READINESS COST INTO OUR TWO STANDARD DEVIATION STAFFING MODEL. YOU HEARD, STEVE, SAY THAT SOME PUBLIC UTILITY MODELS HAVE MOVED AWAY FROM THAT. WE'VE CHOSEN NOT TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT STAFFING TO TWO STANDARD DEVIATIONS AWAY FROM THE AVERAGE IS BETTER FOR THE COMMUNITY. IT PROVIDES A MUCH MORE RELIABLE SERVICE AND MAKES THOSE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO BACKFILL BURLESON WHEN THOSE CALLS DO OCCUR. AND I KNOW STEVE SHOWED ONE OF OUR EXAMPLES WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS ONLY TWO CALLS OCCURRING AT THE SAME TIME. BUT WE HAVE MANY IN SOME OF THE ONES IN THE PRESENTATION THAT WE DID LAST TIME SHOWED, YOU KNOW, THREE OR FOUR CALLS AT THE SAME TIME, AND THOSE SAME NUMBER OF AMBULANCES JUST KEEP GETTING BACKFILLED. THE BEAUTY OF THE ECONOMICS OF THIS SYSTEM IS YOU'RE NOT PAYING FOR FOUR AMBULANCES OR EVEN THREE AMBULANCES TO SIT AROUND WAITING FOR A CALL. YOU'RE YOU'RE GETTING AS MANY AMBULANCES AS YOU NEED TO PROVIDE THE RESPONSE TIMES THAT THE SYSTEM HAS APPROVED AS THE GOAL. THAT'S THE BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE COST. AND ON GOING BACK TO YOUR TO THE FIFTH PRESENTATION ON THE. THE CONSULTANT'S REPORT, I MEAN, IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS WE HAVE EXCESS CAPACITY. LET ME LOOK FOR THE SLIDE, AND OVERALL, THE CURRENT WORKLOAD INDICATES THAT THERE'S EXCESS CAPACITY IN THE SYSTEM AND THEREFORE CAN ABSORB MORE WORK. BUT WITH THIS, WE HAVE TO ADD EVEN MORE STAFF TO HAVE TO PROVIDE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SERVICE. SO RIGHT NOW, OUR CURRENT WORKLOAD, THIS IS OFF THE JUST SLIDE. EXCESS CAPACITY IN THE SYSTEM. BUT WE WANT TO ADD MORE CAPACITY INTO THE SYSTEM TO PROVIDE ANOTHER SERVICE THAT THEN COULD POTENTIALLY BE SITTING AROUND A WHILE BACK. DAN USED THIS EXAMPLE OF LIKE HITS. [01:25:03] HE HAD SOME CREW GUYS THAT WANTED HIM TO BUY A DESTRUCTION PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT WHEN THEY MESS UP, THEY GET TO, THEY CAN BREAK IT UP FASTER AND GET IT REPAIRED FASTER. AND HE WAS LIKE ONE THAT JUST INSINUATES THAT WE CAN MAKE MORE MISTAKES AND TO. THAT'S JUST LIKE, WHAT IF WE NEVER NEED THAT EQUIPMENT? AND SO PART OF ME IS, HOW DO I MAKE THIS ARGUMENT TO TAXPAYERS AND SAY, WELL, WE ALREADY HAVE. IT'S BEEN CLARIFIED TO US THROUGH A REPORT THAT WE PAID FOR THAT SAYS WE HAVE EXCESS CAPACITY NOW, AND WE'RE GOING TO ADD TO THAT AND HAVE ADDITIONAL EXCESS CAPACITY THAT POTENTIALLY COULD SIT AROUND. LET ME TAKE A STAB AT THAT. THE EXCESS CAPACITY SIMPLY MEANS WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO TAKE ONE MORE SERVICE, TAKE ON MORE SERVICES AND FROM A TAXPAYER STANDPOINT, AS WE ALL ARE. THAT MEANS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY AND THE OPPORTUNITY IF WE ALLOW, IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO TAKE ON TRANSPORT, IT WOULD OUT OF THAT EXCESS CAPACITY, IT WOULD GO TO WORK AND HAVE COST RECOVERY. IT'S SHOWN THAT THE SYSTEM THAT WE'RE NOT OVERLY BURDENED, WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE ON MEDICAL TRANSPORT BASED ON THE SEVENTY SEVEN MINUTES ALL OF THOSE UNIT, OUR UTILIZATIONS, WE ARE ALREADY AS WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED. WE ALREADY HAVE A SUNKEN COST IN THAT WITH OUR TWO SQUADS. WE HAD A THIRD UNIT TO AGAIN. WE DON'T HAVE THE SECOND SQUAD IN MOTION YET THAT WE HAVE THE PERSONNEL. SO IS THERE ANOTHER SLIDES THAT YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH LIKE WE NEED ANOTHER ADMINISTRATIVE? IS THERE ROOM TO RESTRUCTURE SOME OF THE PERSONNEL THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, MAYBE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN AN EIGHT TO FIVE JOB? MAYBE THESE THE NEW RECRUITS, THE NEW ONES THAT WE'RE BRINGING ON BOARD? THEY HAVEN'T. WE HAVEN'T BOUGHT THE SECOND SQUAD TRUCK YET, SO THERE'S STILL SOME FLEXIBILITY I FEEL IN. BUT YOU TELL ME, I MEAN, YOU'RE THE BOSS. THANK YOU. GOOD POINTS. WE OUR SECOND SQUAD IS IN EFFECT NOW IT IS UP AND RUNNING AFTER THE TRUCK. THE TRUCK IS BOUGHT AND WE ACTUALLY WHAT WE DID BECAUSE WE'RE KIND OF CREATIVE. WE USED TO BECAUSE WE WANTED TO GET THAT SQUAD IN SERVICE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. WE'D COMMITTED TO THE COUNCIL. WE WERE TRYING TO GET IT IN SERVICE. AROUND JANUARY 1ST, WE HIRED THE SEVEN FIREFIGHTERS AND AGAIN, WE DIDN'T WANT THEM SITTING AROUND. SO WE PUT THE SQUAD IN SERVICE. SECOND SQUAD 16 RIGHT UP ABOUT A WEEK AGO AND IT'S WORKING FINE. AND WHAT WE DID WAS WE USED BECAUSE WE WEREN'T FOR SURE WHEN THE NEW ONE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ORDERED BEEN PAID FOR. WE DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WAS GOING TO COME IN. SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE LOOKED AT ONE OF OUR OTHER PICKUPS AND WE OUTFITTED IT AND WE MADE IT WORK. AND SO WE'RE USING THAT AS SQUAD 16 UNTIL OUR NEW ONE GETS IN BED AND I'M HAPPY TO SHARE WITH THE COUNCIL IN OUR COMMUNITY. THE SQUAD, 16, HAS BEEN UP AND RUNNING FOR ABOUT. THEY ORDERED THE TRUCK AND PAID FOR IT. SO IF IF WE MAKE THIS TRANSITION, WE HAVE TWO SQUAD TRUCKS THAT ARE GOING TO DO WHAT WE CAN REPURPOSE THEM IN THE FLEET, WE TALK WITH OUR FLEET MANAGEMENT THERE. THERE ARE FOUR BY FOUR PICKUPS, ONE TON OR WHATEVER. THEY ARE SOMETHING THAT WE ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WENT WITH THE PICKUPS IS WHEN WE TALK WITH OUR FLEET SERVICES DIVISION. THEY'RE A GOOD UTILITY FOR OUR FLEET AND SO THEY'LL BE REPURPOSED SOMEPLACE ELSE. BACK TO THE POINT TOO ABOUT AND I MENTIONED THIS COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON, OUR LAST MEETING. WE BELIEVE THAT WE'VE GOT THE CAPACITY RIGHT NOW. WE WERE BLESSED WITH THE ADDITIONAL LIEUTENANT'S POSITION, THAT ADMIN POSITION THAT WAS GIVEN TO US. THEIR ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITY IS ABOUT TRAINING AND IT WOULD ALSO BE OVER EMS. IT IS A PARAMEDICS ONE. SO WE'VE TAKEN SOME OFF OF SHIFT WORK SHIFT GUYS. NO, IT'S A NEW POSITION. THE COUNCIL APPROVED A SEVEN NEW. RIGHT? NO. BUT I MEAN, LIKE YOU SAID, WE PROMOTED. WE'VE HIRED YES, WE'VE HIRED. WE FILL THOSE POSITIONS. WE WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO GET OUR ADMINISTRATIVE POSITION BACK AND A SET OF LIEUTENANTS RANK RIGHT NOW. PARAMEDIC, INCREDIBLY TALENTED PERSON. THAT'S OUR PLAN. WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO GIVE HIM THIS, THESE RESPONSIBILITIES. HE'LL BE OVERTRAINING. IT'S ALREADY IN OUR QI QAQI PROCESS, SO WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH OUR CURRENT STAFF RIGHT NOW THAT WE CAN, THAT WE CAN HANDLE THIS AND NOT HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND ASK FOR THAT PART AND THE SERVICES THAT WE CURRENTLY PROVIDE. HOW LONG DID IT TAKE US TO GET AN ISO RATING OF ONE AND BEING ABLE TO MAINTAIN THAT? AND THERE'S NUMEROUS COMMUNITY, THERE'S A LOT OF SERVICES THAT ARE STILL UNDER YOUR UMBRELLA. ASIDE FROM A WHOLE DIFFERENT, IF WE TAKE THIS ON, WE'RE NOT GOING TO JEOPARDIZE RISO ONE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO JEOPARDIZE, YOU KNOW, OR WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALL OF A SUDDEN SAY WE NO [01:30:01] LONGER HAVE THE CAPACITY TO KEEP UP THE COMMUNITY EDUCATION PIECES, THE DROWNING PREVENTION, THE GOING TO THE SCHOOLS AND TEACHING KIDS STOP, DROP AND ROLL. AND THEN EVEN LOOKING IN THIS. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE CONSIDERING OR AS PART OF THIS REPORT, IT WAS TALKING ABOUT THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE, BUT IS THAT IS THERE ANY WAY? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU CAN MOVE A PER STAFF TO HIS DEPARTMENT, BUT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF INSPECTIONS. WE'RE GROWING ENORMOUSLY FAST AND WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF THESE INSPECTIONS AND DOING ALL THE JOBS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE UNDER OUR UMBRELLA BEFORE WE COMPLETELY TAKE ON A WHOLE ANOTHER BEAST. MM HMM. WE FEEL CONFIDENT AGAIN, AND WE'RE ALREADY RESPONDING TO EVERY ONE OF THESE CALLS TO BEGIN WITH. I KNOW RIGHT NOW, BUT WE WEREN'T ALWAYS WHEN YOU FIRST CAME ON BOARD, YOU CHANGED THAT. YEAH. AND THEN AFTER YOU'RE HERE FOR A LITTLE WHILE, YOU CHANGED IT BACK. SO THAT'S YOUR THAT'S YOUR DECISION AS YOUR LEADERSHIP SPOT. I APPRECIATE THAT. AS I SAID, AND I'M GOING TO TRY TO BE BRIEF, MY NUMBER ONE PRIORITY WHEN I GOT HERE WAS WE HAD NINE FIREFIGHTERS ON DUTY AND WE HAD TO ADDRESS THE STAFFING THE COUNCIL DID AND SAID ALL ALONG AS WE INCREASED OUR STAFFING. THIS IS THE VERY DYNAMIC CITY. THIS CITY IS GROWING. IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW. AND WITH THAT, YOU'VE GOT A LEADERSHIP TEAM THAT THAT IS VERY PROACTIVE. I THINK YOU ALL WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. WE LEAD FROM THE FRONT. WE LOOK AT WHAT THE DEMAND IS IN THE IN THE CITY, WHAT THE RISKS ARE, AND THEN WE DESIGN APPROPRIATE STAFFING MODELS FOR THAT IN RESPONSE MODELS. THAT'S WHAT WE DO. WE'VE JUST GETTING BETTER AND BETTER WITH THE ANALYTICS NOW THAT WE HAVE THE ANALYTICAL TOOLS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE PREVIOUSLY. SO THIS SHOULD THAT SHOULD NOT COME AS A SURPRISE TO ANYBODY. MODELS ARE GOING TO CHANGE AND THEY SHOULD CHANGE, ESPECIALLY IN A IN A GROWING DYNAMIC CITY THAT IF WE WERE TO JUST STICK WITH STATUS QUO, WE WOULD BE NOT SERVING THE BEST INTEREST OF THIS COMMUNITY. COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON, MAY I INTERRUPT FOR JUST ONE SECOND? I'D LIKE TO JUST BRYAN KNOW WHERE AT THE END OF THIS AND WE HAVE I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. HOWEVER, WHAT'S COME TO MY ATTENTION AT THE FORMER MEETING WAS THAT WE HAD A LOT OF CITIZENS IN THE AUDIENCE WHO HAD COMMENTS AND THEY ARE FIREFIGHTERS THEMSELVES WHO LIVE IN OUR CITY AS WELL AS WORK IN OTHER CITIES. ONE SUCH CITIZEN IS ACTUALLY HAS ANOTHER FIREMAN HOLDING OVER FOR HIM RIGHT NOW AND IS SUPPOSED TO BE AT WORK WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? WE DID A DISSERVICE TO OUR CITIZENS LAST TIME BY NOT LISTENING TO THEM. WOULD YOU MIND IF WE WERE TO ALLOW A COMMENT FROM A FIREFIGHTER CITIZEN, SOMEONE WHO LIVES HERE, WHO WHO WORKS IN ANOTHER CITY, NOT EVEN HERE? PRIOR TO US WRAPPING THIS UP AND ASKING, I THINK MAYBE OTHERS MAY HAVE OTHER COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS. WOULD YOU ALL MIND? CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? SURE. ABOUT. JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE RESPONSE TIMES THAT WE'RE USING RIGHT NOW ARE WITH HOW THE SQUADS RESPOND. CORRECT. BUT WE WON'T HAVE THE SAME RESPONSE TIMES WHEN WE'RE NO LONGER SQUADS. I KNOW YOU'D ASK THAT BEFORE COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON. I KNOW THAT CAN BE CONFUSING. SOMETIMES I GET CONFUSED WITH IT. WE'LL HAVE THE SAME RESPONSE TIMES BECAUSE WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF OUR SAME LOCATIONS AND ACTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO IF WE'RE IF WE DO THIS AND IT GOES BACK TO OUR ISO ONE, THE QUESTION YOU ASK. ANY TIME A CITY ADDS STAFFING, ISO SEES THAT AS A POSITIVE. ANY TIME A CITY HAS OTHER PIECES OF RESPONSE EQUIPMENT, THE ISO SEES THAT IS FAVORABLE AND I WON'T GET INTO MORE NUANCES FOR FOR THE SAKE OF TIME TODAY. BUT WHEN OUR NEW AERIAL LADDER COMES IN, WE'VE GOT A DEPLOYMENT PLAN FOR THAT. SO I JUST I ENCOURAGE YOU TO TO I'M SHARING WITH YOU IN FULL TRANSPARENCY. I'M JUST NOT SAYING WE CAN HANDLE IT. WE ARE HANDLING IT RIGHT NOW AND WE HAVE A SOLID CAPABILITY, CAPACITY AND LEADERSHIP SKILLS TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL. AND FOR CITIZENS, I WANT TO ASK, MATT, WOULD YOU COME BACK UP SECOND? THERE'S A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THE COST PER CALL. YOU'RE SAYING AROUND $400. OUR CONSULTANTS SAYING AROUND ON THE AVERAGE OF TOWNS, OUR SIZE IS ABOUT 160. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? SURE, I'LL TRY. MR. MAYOR, IT IS. IT IS COMPLICATED NOW. THE REASON I NEED TO KNOW THIS IS BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE EXPENSE OF THIS OPERATION. THAT'S KIND OF A DISCREPANCY THERE. THREE TIMES. AND I'LL GIVE YOU A HAND OUT THAT REFERENCES THIS. THE WE ARE VERY CONFIDENT IN OUR COST PER TRANSPORT, OUR COST PER RESPONSE AND OUR COST PER UNIT HOUR STAFFED UNIT, HOUR BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MONITOR THAT EVERY SINGLE [01:35:05] MONTH TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FINANCE IS BALANCED. OTHERWISE, WE'RE GOING TO COME TO YOU FOLKS AND ASK FOR A SUBSIDY. SO WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THAT. I THINK IF YOU'RE ASKING THE QUESTION WHAT STEVE DID IS HE TOOK A COST FOR A FLEXIBLY DEPLOYED SEND RESOURCES AS THERE NEEDED TO BACKFILL AND CONVERTED THAT TO A DEDICATED WAITING FOR A CALL EXPENSE. AND THAT'S NOT HOW THE SYSTEM WAS DESIGNED TO WORK. SO THOSE COSTS WERE STEVE'S ESTIMATE. IF WE WERE TO DO A FIXED DEPLOYMENT MODEL, WHICH IS WHAT BURLESON FIRE IS GOING TO BE DOING. WE DON'T DO THAT TO HELP KEEP THE COST DOWN. OK, I ACCEPT THAT TOO, BECAUSE BUT THAT'S THE STRONG SUIT OF THIS SYSTEM, IS THE FACT THAT WE CAN ALLOCATE SERVICE SOMEWHERE ELSE. PULL BACK ON THE FLY. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT ANSWER. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I DO HAVE TWO SPEAKER CARDS. LET'S DO THAT. OK? COUNCILMAN FIRST SPEAKER CARD I HAVE IS JOAQUIN CRINER. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR COUNCIL. MY NAME IS JOAQUIN CRINER. I'M A FIREFIGHTER, PARAMEDIC AND A DRIVER ENGINEER. I'VE BEEN IN THE FIRE SERVICE FOR OVER 20 YEARS, ALL FIRE BASED EMS SYSTEMS. MOST CITIES YOUR SIZE PROVIDE FIRE BASED EMS. CURRENTLY, YOU DO NOT HAVE CONTROL OVER WHO DELIVERS YOUR EMS TRANSPORT, YOU HAND YOUR PEOPLE OFF TO THEM, YOUR FIREFIGHTERS ARE FRUSTRATED OVER THE LACK OF CONTROL. I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT. YOU HAVE ONE SYSTEM FOR DISPATCH. YOU HAVE ANOTHER SYSTEM FOR TRANSPORT. EVERY STEP ADDS MORE TIME. TIME SAVES LIVES. OK. THERE'S NO NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. THE MORE TIME YOU SAVE, THE FASTER WE CAN GET THEM TO THE HOSPITAL. IT ALSO CREATES A COMMUNICATION PROBLEM WHEN YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH MULTIPLE CHANNELS. IT'S MUCH SIMPLER WHEN YOU CAN DO THAT THROUGH ONE SYSTEM. THE CONTINUITY AND CONSISTENCY OF THE CREW AS THE TEAMWORK, PROFICIENCY AND EFFICIENCY, ALL THOSE HELP SAVE LIVES. THE CITY COULD CONTROL THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF SERVICES PROVIDED YOU'RE CURRENTLY AT THE MERCY OF A FOR PROFIT EMS. THE VALUE OF FIREBASE DMS DUAL PURPOSE. YES, YOU HAVE FIREMEN THAT MAKE PARAMEDIC CALLS OR MAKE MEDIC CALLS. THEY ALSO HELP TO SERVE ON THE FIRE GROUND. THAT'S GOING TO HELP IN DOLLAR LOSS. THAT'S ALSO GOING TO HELP INCREASE THE CHANCES OF SAVING A LIFE. IT DOES NOT IMPACT YOUR CLASS ONE RATING, ACTUALLY MAKES IT BETTER. MORE FIREFIGHTERS ON THE GROUND, LIKE I SAID, SAVES YOUR SAVES YOUR MONEY. HOW MANY [INAUDIBLE] DO YOU CURRENTLY HAVE ASSIGNED TO THE CITY OF BURLESON RIGHT NOW? I BELIEVE IT'S ONE. THEIR PROJECTION IS THREE. LIKE I SAID, WHEN YOU HAVE AN ACCIDENT AND YOU NEED ADDITIONAL UNITS 17 TIMES IS A DEPLORABLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO WAIT FOR AN AMBULANCE TO TRANSPORT ANOTHER CRITICAL PATIENT. DEPLORABLE. NOT TO MENTION THE TRAFFIC EXPOSURE THAT IT CAUSED, YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT 174 AND THE TRAFFIC AND THE IMPACT IT HAS, AND NOW WE'RE TYING UP BECAUSE WE'RE WAITING ON ANOTHER TRANSPORT UNIT BECAUSE OF HOW THEY LOGISTICALLY JUSTIFY STAFFING [INAUDIBLE] CALLING FOR ADDITIONAL UNITS FOR MEDSTAR. OK, I WORK IN AN AMBULANCE SERVICE. YES, SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO CALL FOR ADDITIONAL UNITS, BUT MOST TIMES OUR FIREFIGHTERS WILL JUMP CALLS SO THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE A SERVICE TO THEIR CITIZENS. THERE'S A NEED FOR PRIVATE EMS OR FOR PROFIT EMS FOR ENTITIES THAT DO NOT HAVE THE PERSONNEL TO SUPPORT IT. YOURS DOES. FOR THE ENTITIES THAT DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY. YOU DO. ARLINGTON HAS MAJOR ISSUES WITH A FOR PROFIT EMS. HORRIBLE ISSUES. THEY'RE ROBBING MEN OFF OF FIRE COMPANIES TO PROVIDE ALS CARE FOR THEIR CITIZENS AND THEN BILLING THE CITIZEN. THAT'S A FACT. MISSION TEXAS LEFT FOR PROFIT MS SO THAT THEY COULD PROVIDE BETTER QUALITY CARE FOR THEIR CITIZENS. MAKE NO MISTAKE, THEY ARE IN THE BUSINESS TO MAKE MONEY. [01:40:06] THAT'S IT. THEY CAN PROVIDE QUALITY CARE, BUT THEY WOULDN'T DO THIS IF THERE WASN'T A VALUE FOR THEM TO MAKE MONEY. VALUE YOU CAN'T NOT SEE. YOU HAVE NO CONTROL AT THIS TIME, YOU'RE AT THE MERCY OF WHAT THEY CAN PROVIDE. YOUR FIREFIGHTERS ARE IN THE BUSINESS TO SAVE LIVES, TAKING CARE OF YOUR PEOPLE THAT VOTED YOU IN. TRUST THOSE WHO YOU HIRED. YOUR FIRE CHIEF, YOUR CITY MANAGER, YOUR FIREFIGHTERS. HOW OFTEN DO YOU HAVE FIREFIGHTERS THAT COME TO YOUR MEETING? I DOUBT THAT IT'S REGULARLY. IT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM. IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME AS A CITIZEN. WHEN MY WIFE HAD AN EMERGENCY, I WENT TO THE FIRE STATION. NOT THE QUICK TRIP. THAT'S WHERE I GO TO GET MY SERVICE. THAT'S WHERE I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE TO GO TO GET MY SERVICE. I VOTED FOR SOME OF YOU WHO BASED ON YOUR SUPPORT OF SAFETY OF MY FAMILY. 17 MINUTES DOES NOT SOUND LIKE SAFETY TO ME. IF YOU HAVE IF YOU VALUE ME, MY FAMILY AND YOUR CITIZENS, YOU WILL SUPPORT FIRE BASED EMS. I HOPE YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, JOAQUIN, FOR COMING TODAY AND ALSO FOR SERVING ON OUR BOND COMMITTEE. TRULY APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT YOU HAVE CUT OUT IN ADDITION TO BEING A FIREFIGHTER IN ANOTHER COMMUNITY, BUT YOU HAVE A PUBLIC SERVANTS HEART, AND I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE IT. AND I VISITED WITH YOU A COUPLE OF TIMES ABOUT THIS OVER THE PHONE AND AND ONE OF THEM WAS AT LENGTH. AND SO I GENUINELY APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT YOU'VE COMMITTED TO THIS COMMUNITY. WELL, ABSOLUTELY. I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT IT. I DO WANT TO SAY ONE THING, THOUGH. YES, MEDSTAR IS NOT A FOR PROFIT. IT IS A IT'S GOVERNMENTS WORKING TOGETHER. IT'S AN LOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN MULTIPLE GOVERNMENT ENTITIES. AM I CORRECT, MATT? ALL RIGHT. IT'S NOT FOR PROFIT. SO ANY MONEY, JUST LIKE THE CITY, ANY MONEY THAT THEY GET, THEY HAVE TO REINVEST BACK IN THEIR SERVICE. IT'S NOT LIKE CEO CAN, OR MAYBE I'M WRONG GETS TO WALK AWAY WITH A MILLION DOLLAR PAYOUT AT THE END OF THE YEAR BECAUSE HE DID GREAT IN NUMBERS. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT CITIZENS TO THINK THAT WE'RE. I CERTAINLY WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF SOMEONE. IT'S TO ME AND I'VE SAID THIS OVER AND OVER. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE I DON'T WANT TO HEAR REVENUE. I'M NOT LOOKING TO CITIZENS TO SAY I MADE THIS DECISION BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF YOU IN YOUR MOST DIRE TIME OF NEED. I UNFORTUNATELY, HAVE HAD TO MAKE THIS 911 CALL IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE, IT'S SCARY. AND I WASN'T EVEN THE MOST DIRE OF SITUATION, SO I CAN ONLY IMAGINE, AND I'M VERY SORRY FOR THE INSTANCE THAT YOU HAD TO TAKE YOUR WIFE TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. I THIS IS NOT A QUESTION OF OUR STAFF. I HAVE THE UTMOST RESPECT AND I KNOW THEIR ABILITY TO SERVE AND DO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND AND SERVING THIS COMMUNITY. BUT I WANT TO BE I HAVE BECAUSE I SIT IN THIS SEAT BECAUSE I WAS ELECTED BY PEOPLE THAT EXPECTED ME TO HOLD EVERYONE ACCOUNTABLE TO THOROUGHLY REVIEW ALL OPTIONS ALTERNATIVES. AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE JUST YET. AND I'M NOT SAYING I WOULDN'T SUPPORT IT IF WE DO GO THIS WAY. I JUST WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS AND BE TRANSPARENT AND SAY, IF THIS IS THE MOVE WE MAKE, HERE'S ALL THE CARDS. IT'S COSTLY AND THIS IS HOW, YOU KNOW, EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REVISIT THIS AS THIS COMMUNITY GROWS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IS IN OUR 8J THAT IS ANTICIPATED TO BECOME PART OF OUR CITY LIMITS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO EXPAND ENORMOUSLY AND WE'RE GOING IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE MORE RESOURCES. SO EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS, THEY MIGHT BE COMING BACK AND SAYING, WE NEED ANOTHER CREW, WE NEED ANOTHER TRUCK, WE NEED THIS. AND UNDERSTANDABLY, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE TODAY ARE ADEQUATELY COVERED. BUT IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT EASY TO DIGEST WHEN YOU SAY WE HAVE EXCESS CAPACITY TO TAKE ON MORE WORK, BUT WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO HIRE ANOTHER CREW TO COVER ANOTHER SERVICE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING, WHAT I DO. AM I ALLOWED TO SPEAK? YES. SORRY, GO FOR IT. YES. SO YES, YOUR CITY DOES GROW. LEWISVILLE WAS 40000. WHEN I GOT HIRED, THERE WERE OVER 120 NOW. WE'VE ADDED UNITS. YES, THE ABILITY TO ANSWER CALLS AT NINE MINUTES, YOU KNOW, IT'S FOUR TO SIX FOR US. SO YES, YOU SHOULD BE CHANGING THAT. THAT SHOULD NOT YOUR SLIDE OF NINE MINUTES. I GUARANTEE THE CHIEF WOULD LOVE TO CHANGE THAT BY ADDING PERSONNEL, BY ADDING YOUR STREETS, YOU SHOULD HOPE TO CHANGE THAT. THAT'S THAT NEEDS TO BE THE AVERAGE. SO I'M SURE HE'S WORKING TO THAT, PROVIDING THESE UNITS WAITING ON AN ANALYST FOR 17 [01:45:03] MINUTES TO TRANSPORT. IS THAT A FACT AS TO WHAT THE SLIDE SAYS? THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE. JOAQUIN I WANT TO, I WANT TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING AND PRESENTING BEFORE US TODAY. I DO WANT TO CLARIFY A QUICK THING THAT WAS MENTIONED AWHILE AGO ABOUT THE THE FORMATION OF MEDSTAR. SO MEDSTAR WAS FORMED. IT GOT ITS BASIS IN 1985. CITY OF FORT WORTH AT THAT TIME HAD FIVE AMBULANCE SERVICES RUNNING IN THE CITY. THE QUALITY OF SERVICE WAS DEPLORABLE. SOME OF THOSE AMBULANCES RAN WITHOUT OXYGEN AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO THE CITY OF FORT WORTH DECIDED TO DO A SOLE SOURCE VENDOR, AND THEY PUT OUT BIDS FOR A SOLE SOURCE VENDOR. MEDSTAR WON THAT BID AS THE SOLE SOURCE VENDOR. THEY ARE A VENDOR. OK. YES, I'M SORRY, MATT. THAT'S THAT'S THE TRUTH. AND YOU CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE CITY AGENDA. THERE ARE SOLE SOURCE VENDOR NOW. THEY WHEN THEY CAME ON AND THEY AGREED TO TAKE ON THAT ROLE NOW, THEY DID TRANSITION. THEY DID TRANSITION. BUT THEY WERE. THEY WERE RECRUITED AS SOLE SOURCE VENDOR. AND UPON THAT, WHAT THEY DID IS THEY WENT AHEAD AND THEY RESEARCHED OUT AND THEY LOOKED AND THEY REALIZED THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT? THE SUBURBS, THE SUBURBS ARE VERY MUCH HAVE BETTER PAY RATES THEY REALLY DO THAN THAN THE BIG CITIES, BECAUSE THE BIG CITIES HAVE A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS THAT UNFORTUNATELY DON'T PAY THE THEY JUST DO. SO THEY WENT AHEAD AND ADOPTED THE MEDSTAR SYSTEM AND THE SYSTEMS GREW. RIGHT, AS FAR AS SERVING THIS PURPOSE. PURPOSE BEING THAT IT HELPS THE CITY BE ABLE TO SAVE MONEY, THE CITY OF FORT WORTH AND AT THE SAME TIME, THAT HELPS THESE SMALLER CITIES BE ABLE TO FUND THEIR MEDSTAR SYSTEM WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO HAVE TO PAY FOR FOR EMPHASIS, THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY CAN'T AFFORD AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES OR THE [INAUDIBLE] FOR, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MEDSTAR SYSTEM, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE NINE CITIES OUT OF 15, NINE OF THOSE HAVE LESS THAN 10000 POPULATION. DO WE HAVE THE MAP THING AT THAT MAP UP REAL QUICK? I WANT TO. I WANT TO MAKE A POINT REAL HERE. REAL QUICK HERE. THE CITY OF THE CITY OF BURLESON HAPPENS TO BE THE LARGEST SYSTEM OUTSIDE OF FORT WORTH AND THE MEDSTAR SYSTEM. WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS MAP, WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO SEE HERE THIS OFF MEDSTAR I DIDN'T CREATE THIS IS MEDSTAR'S MAP. THIS IS FOUR HUNDRED AND THIRTY SIX SQUARE MILES AS PART OF THE SYSTEM. UNDERSTAND THIS. THE AMBULANCE IS RESPONDING TO OUR CITIZENS IN BURLESON, TEXAS. YOU LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE IN THIS MAP. THEY CAN COME FROM ANYWHERE IN THE SYSTEM FROM HASLETT, ANYWHERE IN THE SYSTEM. THAT'S THE WAY THE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED. CITY OF BURLESON. TWENTY EIGHT SQUARE MILES. SUBSTANTIALLY SMALLER. OBVIOUSLY A LOT BETTER RESPONSE TIME. YOU LOOK AT WHERE THESE CITIES ARE LOCATED. THE MEMBER CITIES. HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE SOUTH OF INTERSTATE 30? WHAT TWO, THREE? THERE'S THREE. BURLESON BEING ONE OF THOSE. YOU HAVE EDGECLIFF VILLAGE AND FOREST HILL. EDGE CLIFF VILLAGE HAS A POPULATION OF WROTE IT DOWN. HANG ON! THREE THOUSAND SIXTEEN. IT ONLY MAKES SENSE FOR THESE CITIES NORTH OF 30 BECAUSE THEY'RE RIGHT IN THE HEART OF BURLESON. I MEAN, THE HEART OF FORT WORTH. I'M SORRY. RIGHT IN THE HEART OF FORT WORTH. SO THEY'RE GOING TO GET EXCELLENT RESPONSE TIMES. WE'VE HEARD FROM THE CHIEF THAT THE CITY OF CROWLEY RESPONDS TO OVER A HUNDRED MUTUAL AID CALLS, AND THAT'S MONEY BACK IN THE CITY OF CROWLEY'S POCKET. THAT'S A WASH BECAUSE LIKE MEDSTAR SAYS, THEY CAN RESPOND TO THE SAME NUMBER OF CALLS THAT WE CAN WITH THREE AMBULANCES. THEY'VE SAID THAT BOTH MEETINGS. SO THAT'S A WASH. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, IF WE DO HAVE UNITS SITTING AROUND AND THEY'RE DOING NOTHING AS IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, THEN THEY CAN RESPOND TO MUTUAL AID MONEY BACK IN OUR POCKET. YOU KNOW, FOR ME, I LOOK AT THIS AND IT'S PRETTY CLEAR, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR WE COULD PROVIDE A BETTER QUALITY OF SERVICE. I KNOW WE CAN. THAT'S NOT A KNOCK ON MEDSTAR, MEDSTAR DEFINITELY FULFILLS THEIR ROLE. I MEAN, THESE THESE SMALLER CITIES AROUND THERE, THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO RUN THEIR OWN SERVICE. IT'S A GREAT BENEFIT TO BOTH. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, AND AS MENTIONED IN THE LAST MEETING, OUR PAIR RATE IS HIGHER. OUR PAY RATES HIGHER. OUR FIREMEN ARE GOING TO BE FIREMEN, WHETHER THEY'RE ON AN AMBULANCE OR WHETHER THEY'RE IN THE FIRE STATION, THEY ARE FIREMEN, THEY'RE DEDICATED TO OUR CITY. THEY'VE SHOWN UP AT THIS MEETING. THEY'VE SHOWN FOR THE LAST MEETING. I FULLY SUPPORT OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT. I FULLY SUPPORT OUR CHIEF, I BELIEVE. I FULLY SUPPORT OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR WHO'S LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS. THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT WE CAN PROVIDE BETTER QUALITY SERVICES AS FAR AS WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE JUST SITTING AROUND WAITING ON AN AMBULANCE. AND IS THAT A BIG DEAL? THAT IS A BIG DEAL FROM A FROM A POLICEMAN STANDPOINT. I DON'T WANT THE FIREMEN ON THE SIDE OF A FREEWAY BLOCKING THE INTERSTATE, BLOCKING A FREEWAY ANY LONGER. AND I HAVE TO. I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT PAYING ATTENTION OR SOMEBODY WHO PANICS OR WHATEVER TO [01:50:01] CRASHING THE CRASH INTO MY FIREMAN AND THAT FIRE TRUCK OR THE AMBULANCE CREW OR THE FIRST RESPONDERS. WE NEED THEM OFF THE FREEWAY AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. WE NEED THEM OFF THE STREETS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. LOOK AT OUR SYSTEM. HOW MANY OF Y'ALL DRIVEN DOWN 174? I MEAN, REALLY, IF IF WE'RE GOING TO DISPATCH SOMEBODY FROM OUTSIDE OUR CITY LIMITS, HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE FOR US TO GET HERE? WE'RE TALKING TWENTY EIGHT SQUARE MILES. THREE AMBULANCES WHEN EIGHT SQUARE MILES. WHAT CHIEF PROPOSES AND I'M 100 PERCENT IN SUPPORT OF IT. THAT'S MY TWO CENTS. JOAQUIN, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO SHARE. SO YOU SAID YOU WERE WITH LEWISVILLE WHEN THEY WERE SMALLER AND YOU'VE BEEN WITH THEM AS THEY GROW. SO AS A PARAMEDIC AND EVEN AS A FIREFIGHTER, WHAT KIND OF TRAINING DID YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH ONGOING FOR THE MAPS AND WHAT KIND OF TESTING DO THEY DO WITH YOU REGULARLY SO THAT AS NEW AREAS GREW, YOU GUYS KNEW THE STREETS AND THAT WOULD HELP YOU EXPEDITE YOUR TIME AND GETTING THERE? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO WE HAVE A CONTINUING EDUCATION SERVICE THAT WE CONTRACT WITH THAT COMES IN AND DOES OUR TEACHING. I'M UNIQUE BECAUSE WHEN I'VE GOTTEN HURT BEFORE ON THE JOB, I WORKED IN DISPATCH. SO I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE THE TAKING ON OF EMD AND WORKING THROUGH THAT TO PROVIDE CARE THROUGH PATIENTS THROUGH THE DISPATCH SYSTEM. SO AS THE CITY GREW, LIKE I SAID, WE JUST ABSORB 16000 PEOPLE. WE JUST TOOK IN CASTLE HILLS, WHICH AS A MUD MUD TAX AREA, WE WERE ALREADY SUPPLEMENTING THEM WITH A FIRE STATION. WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO ADD ADDITIONAL UNITS JUST TO THE TO THE GROWTH AND THE VOLUME AND THE DENSITY OF THE CITY. WE'RE NOT REALLY TAKING MUCH MORE IN THAN CASTLE HILLS. I DON'T I DON'T SEE THIS ANNEXING LAND, BUT THE DENSITY OF WHAT WE'RE GROWING AT, WE'RE JUST BY DEMAND. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADD MORE UNITS. SO WE DO TRAIN ON OUR STREETS AS THEY CREATE NEW NEIGHBORHOODS. AND AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADD MORE PERSONNEL TO SEVERAL STATIONS BECAUSE WHAT USED TO BE A 15 OR 1800 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE ARE NOW THREE AND FOUR STORY MULTIFAMILY LIVING, WHICH I SEE COMING OUT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 174. THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE YOUR DEMAND ON YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SUPPORT THAT. BURLESON IS UNDENIABLY GOING TO GROW. YOU MENTIONED THE HIGHWAY I HAVE WE HAVE BEEN HIT SIX TIMES THIS YEAR. OUR FIRE TRUCKS HAVE BEEN HIT SIX TIMES BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET OFF THE HIGHWAY QUICK ENOUGH. OK, HAVING UNITS THERE DECREASES YOUR EXPOSURE. I JUST BURIED A FIREMAN THIS WEEK. OK, NOW FORTUNATELY, IT WASN'T AT WORK, BUT I'M SURE YOU DO NOT WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT. THE CHANCES BY DECREASING THEIR EXPOSURE ON THE HIGHWAY, HAVING SOMEBODY AT A FIRE SOUND OR GETTING A PATIENT TO THE HOSPITAL FASTER, YOU ABSOLUTELY CAN PROVIDE A BETTER SERVICE NOT TO KNOCK WHAT YOU DO. IT IS ABSOLUTELY NEEDED. MEDSTAR PROVIDES A VALUE AND A SERVICE. I'M JUST TELLING YOU YOU CAN DO IT FOR BETTER, FOR CHEAPER. SO YES, WE DO CONTINUE TO DO TRAINING. THAT IS A PART OF OUR SYSTEM IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE DO. YOU'RE GETTING MORE BANG FOR YOUR BUCK. YOU'RE GETTING MORE PERSONNEL THAT WE TAKE PRIDE IN THE CARE IN THE CITY WE WORK FOR. OK. THAT'S THE CONNECTION WE HAVE. I CAN'T TELL YOU DAILY HOW MANY PEOPLE TELL US THEY APPRECIATE THE WORK AND THE SERVICE WE PROVIDE. WE DID A SURVEY. WE'RE ONE OF THE HIGHEST RANKED IN THE STATE OF TEXAS FOR CUSTOMER SERVICE. SO AS A FIREFIGHTER AND A PARAMEDIC OVER THE YEARS, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU GOTTEN TO KNOW SOME OF THE WHAT WE CALL FREQUENT FLIERS, PEOPLE WHO TEND TO CALL MORE REGULARLY, THE ELDERLY PROBABLY WHO YOU KNOW, AND THEY'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW YOU. YOU GOT TO KNOW THEM. THAT MAY BE EXPEDITED EITHER THEIR TRANSPORT OR THE LACK OF NEED OF TRANSPORT. CORRECT? ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. BEING MORE FAMILIAR WITH THEIR THEIR MEDICAL ISSUES CAN SPEED UP THEIR TRANSPORT BECAUSE WE HAVE A RAPPORT WITH THEM. WE KNOW THEIR NEEDS. A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE HAVING TO GAIN ACCESS INTO THESE HOUSES. I THINK OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS, WE HAD TO FORCE ENTRY INTO THREE HOMES TO PROVIDE CARE TO OUR PEOPLE AND WHAT SERVICE DOES NOT PROVIDE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE FIRE SUPPORTED EMS TO DO THAT. SO YOU TALK ABOUT PATIENTS. I HAVE A WOMAN THAT BRINGS HER KID EVERY YEAR TO OUR OPEN HOUSE BECAUSE I [01:55:01] DELIVERED HIM. THAT'S THE KIND OF RAPPORT AND THE CONNECTION I HAVE WITH MY COMMUNITY. OK, SO THEY'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE THOSE THAT DON'T NECESSARILY APPRECIATE OR VALUE WHAT WE DO. BUT I CAN TELL YOU OVERWHELMINGLY, OVER 95 PERCENT OF OUR CITIZENS SAY WE DO A EXCELLENT JOB. SO I HAVE NO IDEA. I MEAN, I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT YOUR FIREMEN WANT TO PROVIDE THAT SAME QUALITY AND ARE FRUSTRATED WITH THAT. THEY CAN'T CONTROL IT NOW. THANK YOU AGAIN, APPRECIATE IT. ABSOLUTELY, SIR. EARLIER IN YOUR COMMENTS, YOU ALLUDED TO DIFFICULTIES THAT ARLINGTON WAS HAVING WITH THEIR SERVICE PROVIDER AMR. YES. CAN YOU BRIEFLY ELABORATE ON WHAT KIND OF ISSUES AND TROUBLES THAT THEY'RE HAVING? SO I WOULD SAY THAT INDUSTRYWIDE BECAUSE OF COVID THERE'S BEEN AN ATTRITION OR A DROP OFF OF PARAMEDICS. THEY JUST RETIRE WHATEVER. SO WITH THEY SHUT DOWN SCHOOLS. SO NOW YOU HAVE PARAMEDICS THAT YOU COULDN'T GET THROUGH SCHOOL. AND SO NOW THE SYSTEM IS RELYING UPON THOSE THAT ARE CURRENTLY CERTIFIED. SO A LOT OF THOSE WILL MOVE OUT OF JUST A EMS BASED SYSTEM TO FIRE EMS. IT IS A BETTER LIVING. IT IS YOU CAN HAVE BETTER BENEFITS. AND SO A LOT OF TIMES THEY MOVED OUT. SO NOW THAT THEY CAN'T, THEY'RE HAVING A HARD TIME STAFFING THEIR MEDIC UNITS SO THEIR MEDICS THAT ARE RIGHT ON APPARATUS FOR ARLINGTON AND WHEN IT BECOMES TRANSITIONS FROM A VLS CALL CALLED VLS IS USUALLY SUPERFICIAL INJURY. ALS IS SOMETHING THAT'S MORE ADVANCED. THEY'LL HAVE TO ROB A FIRE ENGINE OF THE ALS MEDIC TO RIDE ON A AMBULANCE TO PROVIDE CONTINUED CARE AND THEN TURN AROUND AND BUILD A CITY FOR SOMETHING THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS PROVIDING. OK, SO UNDERSTAFFING AND THEN BASICALLY TRYING TO BLEND WORKFORCE IN ORDER TO MAKE UP FOR INSUFFICIENT WORKFORCE THAT THEY HAVE IS THAT IT'S AN INDUSTRY PROBLEM, FIRE, WE HAVE PROBLEMS HIRING THAT WE'RE HAVING TO LOOK AT INNOVATIVE WAYS. YOU HIRED NINE OR 10. THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING DIFFICULTY. THE INDUSTRY IS HAVING DIFFICULTY SO THAT THAT CHANGES THE COMPLEXITY. SO. OK, THANK YOU. YES. APPRECIATE IT, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND SERVICE. THE NEXT SPEAKER I HAVE IS MIKE JONES. HAPPY NEW YEAR, MAYOR COUNCIL. YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST BACK HERE AGAIN. LIKE, LIKE JOAQUIN SAID, FIREFIGHTERS ARE HERE BECAUSE WE CARE. AND THE SAME CITIZENS THAT AND CONSTITUENTS THAT ELECTED YOU GUYS TO LOOK IN AND TO DIVE INTO BUDGETS AND ALL THAT ARE THE SAME CITIZENS THAT WE HAVE TO ANSWER TO WHEN THEY'RE 42 MINUTES BECAUSE THEY HAD A FALL WITH INJURY WAITING ON AN AMBULANCE TO SHOW UP IN THE FIRE TRUCKS ARE THERE. YOU'RE RIGHT, COUNCILMAN REMEMBER JOHNSON? WE ARE THERE IN STABILIZING. BUT THAT UNIT IS TIED UP ON SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WAITING 42 MINUTES ON. YOU KNOW, I'M JUST GOING TO BE HONEST, IT'S A LITTLE DISHEARTENING THAT WE HAVE PAID PROFESSIONALS IN THIS CITY THAT THIS IS THE CAREER THAT WE HAVE CHOSEN AND THE CHIEF HAS CHOSEN, AND WE'RE BEING QUESTIONED OPERATIONALLY AS TO CAN WE MAKE IT WORK? I GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID IN THE BEGINNING, YOU KNOW, LIKE MAYOR PRO TEM MCCLENDON SAID, THIS IS BURLESON. WE'VE ALWAYS HAD PRIDE. WE CAN DO IT BETTER. WE WILL MAKE IT WORK. YOU KNOW, I'M BACK HERE WITH MY MEMBERS. WE'RE ALL SAYING THE SAME THING THAT HOW ARE WE BEING QUESTIONED THAT WE CAN'T MAKE THIS WORK THAT HAS NEVER BEEN THE BURLESON WAY. OUR MEMBERS ARE HERE BECAUSE WE DO CARE. I'M GLAD YOU HAD A GREAT AND YOU AND I TALKED AND EVERY TIME. AND I'M REALLY GLAD YOU HAD A GREAT EXPERIENCE, BUT THERE ARE CITIZENS OUT THERE THAT DON'T HAVE THAT SAME EXPERIENCE. YOU KNOW, MEDSTAR PROVIDES A SYSTEM DOES GREAT FOR THE SYSTEM THAT THEY NEED. BUT YES, AS BURLESON GROWS AND YOU KNOW, IT'S WE'RE GOING TO GROW. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WE'RE WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY MORE PERSONNEL. NO, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GROW, WHETHER WE HAVE AMNESTIES OR NOT. AND WE DO. WE HAVE ENOUGH PERSONNEL RIGHT NOW TO SUPPLY IT TWO AMNESTIES IN SQUADS. AND I KNOW I'VE TALKED TO MANY OF YOU ABOUT REVENUE. AND YES, YOU'RE RIGHT, MEDSTAR IS NOT A FOR PROFIT, BUT THEY DO TAKE THOSE PROFITS AND THEY SPREAD THEM OUT OVER 14 OTHER COMMUNITIES. WHY DON'T WE INVEST THAT BACK INTO OUR COMMUNITY? YOU KNOW, WE INVEST A LOT OF MONEY IN A GREAT COMMUNICATION SYSTEM AND [02:00:03] COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER. IS IT FAIR FOR OUR CITIZENS TO BE TRANSFERRED TO MEDSTAR AND HAVE TO WAIT TWO MINUTES FOR THAT TO BE PICKED UP? GREAT FOR CITIZENS AND PATIENTS THAT CAN EXPLAIN WHAT THEY NEED, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE ONES THAT CAN'T OR FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON SIDE OF THE ROAD THAT DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THEM? YOU KNOW, JOAQUIN BRINGS UP A GREAT POINT ABOUT, WE KNOW OUR CITIZENS. IT'S A FASTER TRANSPORT. WHEN YOU DO START RUNNING THOSE CALLS, YOU START KNOWING THEIR CITY AND WE HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE A FIREFIGHTER THAT JUST HAD A CITIZEN BRING A MEAL BY BECAUSE OF THE CARE THAT HE GAVE IN THAT CREW GAVE TO HER FATHER. WE'VE HAD OUR FIREFIGHTERS BE ABLE IDENTIFY BECAUSE THEY RUN, CALL, CALL AND CALL. THEY GO BACK OVER AND CLEAN HOUSES AND GET WITH THE HOME HEALTH NURSES TO SAY, HERE'S WHAT THEY NEED. SO WE'RE UP HERE TODAY ASKING, LET'S DO WHAT BURLESON HAS ALWAYS DONE. TAKE PRIDE IN OUR COMMUNITY, GIVE BACK TO OUR COMMUNITY, BE FAIR TO OUR COMMUNITY. DON'T MAKE THEM HAVE TO WAIT TWO MINUTES OR BE TRANSFERRED TO TELL THEIR STORY AGAIN WHEN THEY NEED EMERGENCY MEDICAL CARE. WE SAID IT BEFORE. TRUST THE CITY MANAGER, TRUST THE FIRE CHIEF. TRUST THE FIREFIGHTERS, DID YOU KNOW THAT WE CAN DO THE JOB AND WE WILL DO IT BETTER? I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU GUYS DO FOR US. I KNOW IT'S A TOUGH DECISION, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE ARGUED IN THESE COUNCIL CHAMBERS OVER, YOU KNOW, LEAST OVER MORE IMPORTANT THINGS THAN THIS. AND THIS IS IMPORTANT AND WE CAN DO IT AND WE CAN DO IT BETTER. I TRUST IN YOU GUYS THAT YOU WILL MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION AND WE'RE JUST ASKING, LET'S QUIT GOING OVER WITH WORKSHOPS AND LET'S JUST MAKE THIS MOVE. AND LET'S DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR OUR CITIZENS. TRUST THE PEOPLE THAT YOU PAY TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS. I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS AND THANK YOU. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE. THANKS, MARK. THANK YOU. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I HAVE NO OTHER SPEAKER CARDS, IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? CALL UP, STACEY SINGLETON, FIRE MARSHAL. CITIZEN STACEY SINGLETON. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO THIS, I'VE MADE MOST OF THE MEETINGS, BUT I'VE WATCHED THEM ONLINE, AS MIKE JONES SAID, I THINK IT'S TIME THAT, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. THE CARE IT'S BEEN MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES, THE CARE THAT THESE GUYS THAT YOU SEE BACK HERE, THESE FIREFIGHTERS THAT WILL GIVE TO ONE OF OUR CITIZENS IS GOING TO BE MORE PERSONAL. I'M NOT GOING TO KNOCK MEDSTAR, BUT I'VE EXPERIENCED IT. MY MOTHER IN LAW LIVES IN CLEBURNE. SHE'S A FREQUENT FLIER. YOU CAN SAY, BECAUSE SHE'S HAD STROKES AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS WHEN AMR WAS THERE BECAUSE I WOULD MEET, I HAVE TO MEET THEM AT THE E.R. WHEREVER THE CARE, IN MY OPINION, WAS NOT THE SAME AS WHEN CLEBURNE FIRE TOOK OVER. I'VE BEEN THREE TIMES LATELY TO MEET THEM AT HOSPITALS IN FORT WORTH. I HAPPEN TO KNOW TWO OF THE MEDICS THAT WERE ON THE AMBULANCE WHEN THEY PULLED UP IN THE CARE, IN MY OPINION, WAS ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY PERCENT BETTER THAN SHE GOT WHEN SHE WAS IN AMR. IT'S BEEN MENTIONED THAT WE GET TO KNOW OUR CITIZENS. YOU KNOW, WE WE GO OUT, WE I GO DO THINGS LIKE DEAL WITH THE PEOPLE IN THEIR SMOKE DETECTORS AND OTHER THINGS. SO YOU GET TO KNOW THE SAME FOLKS. IT HAPPENS IN THE EMS TOO. WE KNOW THESE PEOPLE. WE'VE EVEN WE'VE HAD FIREFIGHTERS GO AFTER A CALL AND MOW SOMEBODY'S YARD AND DO OTHER THINGS. SO I THINK THE SERVICE THAT OUR FIREFIGHTERS WILL GIVE WILL BE MUCH BETTER BECAUSE WE KNOW THESE PEOPLE AND WE KNOW THERE ISSUES. AND THE OTHER THING IS MOSTLY YOU GOT I MEAN, ALL OF YOU GUYS KNOW ME, I'VE LIVED HERE ALL MY LIFE. WE CARE ABOUT OUR CITIZENS. THESE GUYS WORK HERE. THEY GO TO THESE CALLS AND THEY DO IT BECAUSE THEY CARE. THEY JOINED BURLESON BECAUSE THEY CARE ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY. NO TELLING HOW MANY. I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS, BUT A LOT OF OUR FOLKS HERE ARE BURLESON BOYS. WE HAVE TWO FEMALES RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY'RE NOT BURLESON GIRLS. BUT A LOT OF OUR GUYS ARE BURLESON FOLKS THAT THEY CARE ABOUT OUR CITIZENS. AND I'M NOT SAYING MEDSTAR MEDICS DON'T. BUT WHEN YOU WHEN YOU'RE SEEING THESE PEOPLE AND YOU SEE THEM ON THE STREET AND [02:05:01] YOU KNOW THESE PEOPLE AND YOU RUN THEIR CALLS. IT'S A PRIDE THING TO IT'S A PRIDE THING TO GIVE THE BEST SERVICE THAT YOU CAN GIVE, AND I ENCOURAGE YOU. OUR CHIEF HAS PUT SO MUCH TIME IN THIS AND CASEY AND OUR CONSULTANTS. AND, YOU KNOW, WE YOU GUYS PAY LIKE MIKE SAID, WE WE GET PAID BECAUSE I GET PAID BECAUSE OF THE PART OF THE FIRE MARSHAL STUFF I KNOW AND CHIEF GETS PAID FOR RUNNING THE APARTMENT. AND MS. JOHNSON, YOU MENTIONED THAT. ARE WE DOING THE SAME THINGS AS FAR AS A COMMUNITY OUTREACH? I TAKE CARE OF THAT NOW AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT WE'RE EVERY REQUEST AND WE'RE EVEN PUTTING SOME NEW THINGS IN PLACE. WE'RE MEETING THOSE GOALS AND WE'RE MEETING ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING NOW. SO I ENCOURAGE YOU, I THINK PERSONALLY, LIKE MIKE SAID, THAT WE'VE DEBATED OTHER THINGS THAT WERE WAY MORE IMPORTANT LESS THAN WE'VE. I THINK THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT AND WE'VE BEEN DEBATING IT ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE MEETINGS, AND I THINK IT'S TIME TO TAKE IT FORWARD AND AND I SUPPORT IT 100 PERCENT AND THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE TALKED TO SUPPORT IT. AND I'M COMING TO YOU AS A CITIZEN, I TOOK THE DAY ARE PART OF THE DAY OFF WHERE I COULD BE HERE TO DO THIS AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU. THANKS, STACEY. YOU KNOW, I HAVE THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR YOU. HEY, CHIEF. HANG ON A SECOND. I WANT TO STAND UP FOR THE COUNCIL HERE, WE HAVE HARD DEBATES UP HERE AND WE LOOK AT EVERY ASPECT, BUT I DON'T WANT ANY ANY OF YOU GUYS. NONE OF YOU GUYS THINK THAT WE HAVE A DOUBT ABOUT YOUR QUALITY AND ESPECIALLY YOUR HEART. I'VE HAD CITIZENS CALL ME BRAGGING ON YOU GUYS ALL THE TIME, SO PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT THE COUNCIL HAS A TOUGH JOB. THE QUALITY IS THERE, THE MONEY. WE'VE GOT TO BE CAREFUL. SO WE'RE ON YOUR SIDE, EVERYBODY. A TOUGH QUESTIONS COMING OUT RIGHT NOW, BUT WE ARE ON YOUR SIDE. PLEASE DON'T EVER THINK WE'RE NOT OK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHIEF. THANK YOU. MAYOR, COUNCIL KT FREEMAN, FIRE CHIEF I'M GOING TO WRAP IT UP. BUT COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME TO MY MIND IS CONCERN THE EXCESS CAPACITY. AND THIS IS A POLICY DECISION ULTIMATELY THAT IF COUNCIL CHOOSES TO GO FORWARD WITH US TRANSPORTING, I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY, VERY CLEAR. THE REPORT SHOWS CLEARLY SHOWS THAT THE TWO [INAUDIBLE], ONE LOCATED STATION 16 AND ONE AT STATION ONE, WOULD CAPTURE NINETY SEVEN PERCENT OF ALL OF OUR HISTORICAL CALLS AND OUR TEN MINUTE TRAVEL TIME. NOW, BASED ON SOME OF THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS, AND THAT WOULD ALIGN US VERY, VERY CLOSELY WITH WITH CLEBURNE, JUST FOR COMPARISON CASES, WE'RE AT ABOUT 4500 CALLS RIGHT NOW. YOU DIVIDE THEM BY TWO. WE'D BE AT THAT 2200. FITCH AND ASSOCIATES HAS ALREADY TOLD US WHEN YOU GET AROUND THAT FIVE HUNDRED CALLS PER BOX, YOU REALLY NEED TO BE LOOKING AT IT. WE TOOK ALL OF THAT IN SOME OF THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS. WE EVALUATED IT AND I KNEW THERE WAS NOT A COMFORT LEVEL. THERE WASN'T THE MARGIN, THE SYSTEM STRICTLY FROM AN ANALYTICAL STANDPOINT. NINETY SEVEN PERCENT CAPTURE RATE WITH TWO AMBULANCES, MR., IT PUTS US RIGHT BACK IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE THREE PERCENT WE'D BE RIGHT ON PAR WITH THEM JUST TO GO BACK WITH PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT POTENTIAL MUTUAL AID. WE CAME IN, WE RECOMMENDED WE'VE GOT SEVERAL OPTIONS TO RECOMMEND WHERE WE DID INCREASE THAT STAFFING. SO AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO GET US RIGHT BACK UP TO HERE THAT THE CAPACITY THAT WE HAVE IN THE SYSTEM RIGHT NOW, IF COUNCIL CHOSE TO TAKE US DOWN THIS ROAD, WE CAN HANDLE IT WITH TWO AMBULANCES, BUT IT GOES BACK TO THE POLICY AND THEN THE COMFORT LEVEL OF HOW MUCH CAPACITY IS RIGHT FOR BURLESON, HOW MUCH CAPACITY, HOW MUCH RISK AVERSION IS THERE IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND WE ALSO LOOKED AT IT FROM A PRAGMATICAL STANDPOINT THAT CURRENTLY AND WITH ABOUT A THREE PERCENT GROWTH PER YEAR, WE'RE GOING TO QUICKLY GET TO THAT TEN THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED. SO THAT'S WHY WE STARTED LOOKING AT PRESENTING OPTIONS THAT I'M GOING TO GO OVER IN JUST A LITTLE BIT WITH YOU. THAT OR THAT'S ALREADY BEEN PRESENTED ABOUT INCREASING THAT TWO AND A HALF WE COULD HIRE FOUR FIREFIGHTERS AND THEN HAVE TWO AND A HALF AMBULANCES DURING DURING THE PEAK HOURS, WE COULD HIRE SIX FIREFIGHTERS AND HAVE THREE. SO WE TOOK COUNCILS DISCUSSIONS AND FEEDBACK, AND WE'VE BUILT IN THESE DIFFERENT POLICY OPTIONS IF YOU DECIDE TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION. [02:10:01] BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDS AND THE COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS THAT, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, I HAVE 100 PERCENT CONFIDENCE IN THE ANALYTICS OF THE DATA THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED. WE CAN DO IT WITH TWO, BUT WE'VE GOT THAT MARGIN. WE DON'T HAVE A LARGE ENOUGH MARGIN, PERHAPS FROM A POLICY DISCUSSION. SO I JUST WANT TO REFRAME THAT DISCUSSION AS I MOVE FORWARD TO MY LAST SLIDE. WE'VE DEVELOPED THREE OPTIONS FOR YOU. THIS IS NOT ALL INCLUSIVE, BUT THESE ARE THE THREES THAT WE THINK KIND OF SUMMARIZE THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD AND WOULD LIKE TO ASK COUNCIL TO CONSIDER. OPTION ONE WOULD BE TAKE NO ACTION, DO NOT PROCEED WITH TRANSITIONING A FIRE BASED EMS FIRE BASED AMBULANCE SERVICE. OPTION TWO WOULD BE TO HOLD ADDITIONAL COUNSEL WORKSHOPS. IF THAT'S THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION, WE WOULD JUST ASK FOR A SPECIFIC REQUEST FOR INFORMATION THAT YOU MIGHT NEED, SO WE STAFF WILL BE ABLE TO BE FOCUSED ON EXACTLY WHAT THE COUNCIL IS LOOKING FOR. AND THEN OPTION THREE WOULD BE A REQUEST THAT AN ACTION ITEM BE PLACED ON AN AGENDA TO CONSIDER FULLY WITHDRAWING FROM ITS STAR SYSTEM. AND AS WE'VE SAID IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS, WE WOULD ASK COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION THAT IF THAT WERE TO BE THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL, THAT IT WOULD HAPPEN NO LATER THAN FEBRUARY 21ST OF THIS YEAR, AND IT WOULD BE COUNCIL'S DISCRETION IF YOU DECIDE TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION EARLIER. THE TRANSITION, AGAIN, IF THAT'S THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION FOR US, WOULD BE IT WOULD NOT OCCUR UNTIL OCTOBER 1ST OF 2023. MAYOR COUNCIL, THAT CONCLUDES MY FORMAL PRESENTATION. I'LL BE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I GOT ONE QUESTION FOR MARTIN. THERE HAVE BEEN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW WE'RE PAYING FOR THIS. OK, OUR MONEY. THAT SITUATION THAT I NEED TO VERIFY THIS IS GOING TO INCREASE PROPERTY TAX A BIT. YES, IN OUR PROJECTIONS, NO, IT DOES NOT IN OUR PROJECTIONS, IT DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ANY INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAXES. BUT IF WE INCREASE PROPERTY TAX, IT WON'T BE BECAUSE OF THIS. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. I'M HOLDING YOU TELL YOU THAT ONE. ANYBODY ELSE? THIS COULD TIE EITHER TO EITHER ONE OF YOU BECAUSE I WANT TO TALK ABOUT MONEY FOR A SECOND AND I WANT TO LOOK AT LIKE A FAVORITE TOPIC. YES, I KNOW. I KNOW. SO WE CURRENTLY ARE PAYING OUT, WHAT, 1.9 FOUR SQUADS? IS THAT RIGHT? TWO NINE ONE THREE ONE THREE. OK. ONE POINT THREE A YEAR FOR SQUADS, SO WE MAKE NO REVENUE WHATSOEVER ON THAT. WE HAVE THE OPTION. COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON. I REALIZED THAT WE DON'T WANT TO ONLY FOCUS ON REVENUE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING YOU'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT, ABOUT MONEY IS THE MONEY THIS IS GOING TO COST. SO THE OPTION IS THAT WE COULD JUST DO AWAY WITH SQUADS AND JUST GO STRAIGHT AMBULANCE WITH MEDSTAR AND LET MED STAR BE OUR FIRST RESPONDERS THAT WAY, THEN WE DON'T HAVE A COST INVOLVED IN THIS. THAT DOESN'T SOUND GOOD TO ANYBODY, I CAN TELL BY THE THE NON- NODS IN THE AUDIENCE. THE PURPOSE OF THE SQUADS IS THAT WE COULD GET WE COULD GET FIRST RESPONDERS THERE FASTER, SO WE COULD EITHER WIPE OUT THAT COST ALTOGETHER. THINK OF IT. THINK ABOUT THIS AS A BUSINESS FOR A SECOND WIPE OUT THAT COST ALTOGETHER PROVIDE ONLY THE RESPONSE THAT MEDSTAR CAN GIVE THEM, AND WHICH IS GOING TO GET MORE AND MORE DIFFICULT AS WE GROW AS A CITY. AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE A COST INVOLVED. OR WAIT, BY THE WAY, THEN THEN WE DON'T GET FIRST RESPONDERS SEEING OUR CITIZENS AT ALL WHEN THEY'RE SICK, OK, OR WE SEND AN ENGINE, BUT THEN WE DON'T HAVE A COST. THAT MAKES SENSE. WE DON'T GET A REVENUE, LET'S NOT HAVE A COST INVOLVED. BUT BUT WHAT DO WE HAVE THE SQUADS ALREADY THAT'S NOT TAKING THEM AWAY? WELL, I'M SO, SO HERE'S MY ARGUMENT. NOW LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SCENARIO. WE KEEP THE SQUADS. IT COSTS US ONE POINT THREE. IT'LL PROBABLY INCREASE AS WE GROW AS A CITY AND WE CONTINUE WITH NO REVENUE. AND THE NONPROFIT CONTINUES TO MAKE THE REVENUE, AND FOR THE RECORD, NONPROFITS MAKE A LOT OF MONEY, NOT JUST MEDSTAR, THEY MAKE A LOT OF MONEY. DO NOT BE FOOLED BY THE TERM NONPROFIT. OK, NONPROFITS ARE KILLING IT IN THE MARKETPLACE. OK, YOU'VE WORKED FOR A LOT. SO LET ME ASSURE YOU THAT NONPROFITS FIND WAYS TO FIND ALL THE DIFFERENT WAYS TO PAY OUT EXPENSES. AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS OF YOU GUYS. I'M SAYING NONPROFITS AS A WHOLE MAKE A LOT OF MONEY, AND SO DO THEIR UPPER EXECUTIVE STAFF. OK. SO WE INCREASE THE COST FOR SQUADS. [02:15:01] WE STILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH TRANSFER TIME TO MEDSTAR, DELAY TIME IN GETTING BEST RESPONSE TO OUR CITIZENS WHEN THEY NEED IT, AND WE GET NO REVENUE. OR THIRD IS. WE INCREASE THAT ONE POINT THREE TO WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO INCREASE TO ANYWAY IF WE GET A THIRD SQUAD. SO MAYBE NOW MAYBE IT'S GOING TO COST US ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND MORE A YEAR TO RUN AN AMBULANCE VERSUS A SQUAD. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT YOU GUYS TOLD ME. I'M JUST PICKING A ROUND NUMBER FOR A SECOND, OK? BUT NOW WE'RE GETTING REVENUE TO OFFSET THE COST. FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE. THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO ME. WE HAVE AN EXPENSE THAT'S PROVIDING A REALLY GREAT SERVICE THAT IS NEEDED AND WE HAVE SOME REVENUE TO OFFSET THE EXPENSE. THERE IS NO ARGUMENT WHATSOEVER WHATSOEVER TO SAY THAT OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND OUR FIRST RESPONDERS WOULD BE THE BEST TO GET IN THAT AMBULANCE WITH MY MOTHER IN LAW, WHICH I WOULD VENTURE TO GUESS THAT SOME OF YOU OUT THERE HAVE BEEN ON A CALL FOR K PAYNE AT LEAST ONCE IN THE LAST YEAR OF THE SIX TO EIGHT TIMES THAT SHE'S BEEN CALLED ON OR MY BROTHER IN LAW, JIMMY LANDRUM, WHO IS MARRIED TO A DISPATCHER. MY SISTER IN LAW, OK, COULD HAVE GOTTEN THE AMBULANCE AND HELD MY MOTHER IN LAW'S HAND AND SAID, I'M HERE WITH YOU. MS. PAYNE. THANK YOU. I KNOW I REMEMBER YOU WERE HERE LAST TIME. I APPRECIATE IT AND BROUGHT HER COMFORT. IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME WHY WE'RE ARGUING AGAINST THIS. HERE'S THE DEAL. I'LL SAY IT AGAIN. FIRE DEPARTMENTS ARE NOT MEANT TO MAKE MONEY. OK, THEY'RE A MASSIVE, IMPORTANT SERVICE TO OUR CITIES. UNFORTUNATELY, THE PERCEPTION IS THAT THESE GUYS SIT AROUND ALL DAY LONG DOING NOTHING. SO WHY ARE WE PAYING THEM? WHY DO WE NEED THEM? OH, BUT WHEN NINE ONE ONE IS NEEDED AND THERE'S A FIRE OR AS WE KNOW MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, EMS CALLS, WE'RE REALLY THANKFUL THAT THEY'RE THERE AND WE'RE REALLY THANKFUL THAT THEY'RE TRAINED. SEE, WE'RE ALREADY TRAINING OUR FIREFIGHTERS TO BE PARAMEDICS. THEY'RE ALREADY OUT IN THE FIELD. I CAN'T. AS WE GROW AS A CITY, IT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE TO ME THAT WE DO NOT TURN THIS OVER TO FIRE BASED EMS. AND I WILL REITERATE WHAT OUR STAFF HAS SAID WITH JOAQUIN SAID. WHAT MIKE JONES SAID, EVEN STACY. WE HAVE A VERY SMART FIRE CHIEF. OK, WHO HAS NOTHING TO GAIN FROM THIS? I'VE ASKED THE QUESTION. I HAVE ASKED THE QUESTION, WHAT DO THESE GUYS HAVE TO GAIN FROM THIS? I HAVE DONE MY RESEARCH. I HAVE. I'VE LOOKED AT BOTH SIDES AND I'VE THOUGHT, WELL, WHAT DO THESE GUYS HAVE TO GAIN FROM THIS? I CANNOT IMAGINE WHAT YOU WOULD PERSONALLY GAIN FROM THIS OTHER THAN THE SATISFACTION OF KNOWING YOU WERE DOING THE BEST JOB FOR THE PEOPLE YOU SERVE AND PROTECT. AND I KNOW THAT BETTER THAN, WELL, ALMOST EVERYBODY OTHER THAN YOU, JIMI, BECAUSE I'M MARRIED TO A FIREFIGHTER WHO'S BEEN A FIREFIGHTER FOR 30 YEARS, WHO'S PUT HIMSELF ON THE LINE. WHO IS TAKING A SMALL CHILD WHO WAS PASSED OUT OF A CAR ACCIDENT ON 183, WHO HAS SEEN THE WORST OF THE WORST AT TIMES, WHO'S BEEN IN HIGH RISE FIRES? THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO ARGUMENT THAT ANYONE CAN GIVE ME AT ANY POINT AT THE STAGE OF WHERE WE ARE AS A CITY. TWENTY YEARS AGO, I WOULD HAVE ARGUED AGAINST THIS, BUT WHERE WE ARE NOW AND GROWING THE WAY WE'RE GROWING. I'VE LOOKED AT ALL THE ANGLES I HAVE DONE, ALL MY RESEARCH. I HAVE CALCULATED THE NUMBERS. I'VE TALKED AND ASKED SOME PRETTY GOOD QUESTIONS OF THESE GUYS. I EVEN WAS TEETERING AT ONE POINT THE OTHER WAY. BUT I'VE DONE MY RESEARCH, AND I KNOW THAT I WANT THESE GUYS ANSWERING THE CALL AND HOLDING MY MOTHER IN LAW'S HAND AND MY BROTHER IN LAW'S HAND WHEN THEY NEED TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYBODY? ANYTHING ELSE? WE DIDN'T HIRE THE SQUADS TO PROVIDE ANYTHING TO MEDSTAR YEARS AGO. HOW MANY LONG? HOW MANY YEARS HAVE WE HAD SQUADS? THREE YEARS? COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON. I THINK WE WENT. WE I THINK TWENTY EIGHTEEN. AND I REPEAT THIS. THE SQUADS WERE BROUGHT IN. IT WAS THE FIRST LAYER IS IF YOU'LL RECALL, THE DECEMBER 17TH MEETING. THE SQUAD CONCEPT WAS ALREADY IN QUEUE BEFORE I GOT HERE AND AND I COULD NOT. AS A BACKUP TO MEDSTAR, THE SQUAD WAS THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT AND THEN I BELIEVE THIS CONCEPT, WE'VE GOT SOME NUANCES TO IT. BUT THE SQUAD WAS ORIGINALLY AND CONTINUES TO OPERATE AS A VERY EFFECTIVE AND [02:20:05] EFFICIENT PIECE OF APPARATUS THAT GOES TO FIRES, THAT GOES TO EMS CALLS. IT'S A TWO PERSON VEHICLE. AS I'VE SAID OVER AND OVER, THE MAJORITY OF OUR DEPARTMENT'S BUSINESS IS EMS. SO WE DEVELOPED A RESPONSE MODEL THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO EMS CALLS AS WELL AS FIRE. BUT INSTEAD OF COMING TO THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY ASKING FOR A MILLION PLUS DOLLARS FIRE APPARATUS AND PLACING FOUR FIREFIGHTERS PER SHIFT ON THAT OR THREE. IT IS AN EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT MODEL THAT IS A MULTITUDE OF CAPABILITIES. YES, MA'AM. AND AND JUST TO IT'S SIX RIGHT BECAUSE THREE SHIFTS, RIGHT? SO WHEN WE WHEN WE HIRE, YOU'RE OUT. BUT TWO PERSONS PER SHIFT. AND SO AGAIN, IT HAS CREATED A MILLION DOLLAR TRUCK FOR A MILLION DOLLARS IN STAFF WHERE WE TRADED THE MILLION DOLLAR IN TRUCK FOR SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND. AND LET ME TAKE YOU BACK THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE THE SQUADS? BUT THAT THEY'RE IN AN AMBULANCE ROW OR THEY'RE IN A FIRST RESPONSE ROW. WE WILL HAVE THREE APPARATUS. TO SERVE THIS CITY AND WE WILL EMPTY OUT AND THEN PICK UP. I'M GOING TO FOCUS ON THE PRIORITY CALLS WHEN THERE IS A PERSON THAT HAS AN IMMINENT THREAT TO LIFE AND WHETHER WE USE FIFTEEN POINT FORTY FOUR OR WE USE 18 MINUTES, NOT INCLUDING THE DISPATCH DELAYS THAT WILL BE THE FIRST PERSONS THAT WILL SHOW UP TO ONE'S DOOR AFTER 12 MINUTES. CLINICALLY, AFTER 10 MINUTES, IT'S IRREVERSIBLE BRAIN DAMAGE. BUT AFTER 12 MINUTES, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOT A DOCTOR. BUT AFTER 12 MINUTES, THERE'S A PERSON THAT'S IN FULL ARREST. YOU WILL HAVE NO CHANCE OR LITTLE CHANCE, IF ANY, FOR ANY TYPE OF RECOVERY. SO IF WE DON'T HAVE THE SQUADS AND WE'VE GOT THREE APPARATUS RESPONDING, THEN WE'RE WAITING ON MEDSTAR FOR WHATEVER THAT LENGTH OF TIME IS, AND IT'S CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO BE WITHIN THAT WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY BASED ON THE STATISTICAL AVERAGES TO MAKE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON PATIENT OUTCOME. OK, I WANT TO STEP IN HERE, MATT. IF YOU GOT SEVEN, IF IT'S SHORT, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND DO IT. OK, I REALLY WANT THIS TO BE SAID. YOU KNOW, A LOT WAS SAID ABOUT PRIDE AND THAT PRIDE IN SERVICE DELIVERY IS NOT EXCLUSIVE TO ANY ONE TYPE OF PROVIDER. IT WOULD BE I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SIT BY AND SAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE FIVE HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN DEDICATED EMS PROFESSIONALS WHO ARE VERY PROUD AND DEDICATED OF THE SERVICES THAT THEY PROVIDE. SO IN THEIR DEFENSE, I REALLY WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THAT IT'S NOT UNIQUE TO A MALTESE CROSS OR WHATEVER TYPE OF SYSTEM PEOPLE WHO ARE IN PUBLIC SERVICE DO SO, AND THEY'RE VERY PROUD OF THE SERVICE THAT THEY PROVIDE. SECOND, WE ARE NOT A NONPROFIT. WE ARE NOT A FOR PROFIT. WE ARE A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY THAT IS NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE A PROFIT. COUNCILMAN STANTON, I WILL SEND YOU THE DOCUMENTATION IN TWO THOUSAND, I'M SORRY, IN 1995, 1985 WHEN THE FORT WORTH AMBULANCE AUTHORITY WAS CREATED BY THE CITY OF FORT WORTH. IT WAS NOT A CONTRACT WITH A PRIVATE PROVIDER. THE AUTHORITY CHOSE TO CONTRACT WITH A PRIVATE PROVIDER, BUT THE AMBULANCE AUTHORITY IS A PUBLIC ENTITY AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN. OK, YOU DID NOT SAY THAT. YOU SAID SOMETHING DIFFERENT. FINALLY, PATIENT EXPERIENCE IS VERY IMPORTANT AND YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THE REPORTS. YOU GET THE REPORTS. WE DON'T JUST HAVE A NINETY FIVE PERCENT PATIENT EXPERIENCE IN ONE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE A NINETY FIVE PERCENT NINETY SIX PERCENT THIS MONTH PATIENT EXPERIENCE RATING FOR ALL OF OUR PATIENTS ACROSS THE COMMUNITY AND ARE IN THE TOP FIVE PERCENT NATIONALLY, NATIONALLY FOR PATIENT EXPERIENCE. SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT ON BEHALF OF ALL OF OUR FOLKS WHO WORK VERY HARD TO MAINTAIN THAT CLINICAL EXCELLENCE, TO BE VERY PROUD OF THE SERVICE THAT THEY PROVIDE AND TO HAVE THE PATIENTS THAT COME TO OUR FACILITY AND CALL KEN AND CALL MYSELF, BRING FOOD TO ALL THAT HAPPENS ACROSS THE SYSTEM. IT'S NOT JUST ONE AGENCY OR ANOTHER. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS NOT LEFT UNSAID. THANK YOU, MATT. I APPRECIATE THAT. IN MY OPINION, I WANT TO BRING THIS TO THE AGENDA AS ANYBODY AGAINST THAT? MAYOR I DO HAVE A FEW REMARKS THAT I WANT TO PUT ON RECORD, TOO. OK. NUMBER ONE, THERE'S NO QUESTION OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT IS ONE OF THE BEST FIRE [02:25:02] DEPARTMENTS I'VE EVER SEEN, AND THESE GUYS ARE ALWAYS THERE FOR US. BUT I HAD LOOKED VERY THOUGHT ABOUT IT OVER THE WEEKEND AND I HAD TO HAD TO COMPILE ALL MY NOTES AND SUMMARIZE MY THOUGHTS. AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I DON'T LEAVE ANYTHING OUT. SO I WROTE THESE THESE DOWN AT THE LAST MEETING, I THINK THE MAYOR PUT IT BEST. WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH HERE IS A STARTUP. I'VE WORKED AS A FINANCIAL PLANNER AND BEEN IN PRIVATE BUSINESS FOR OVER 30 YEARS. IN THE PRIVATE MARKET WHEN IS CONSIDERED A STARTUP, THE BANK IS GOING TO WANT TO SEE A BUSINESS PLAN. LIKE MANY OF YOU, I CAN CAMPAIGN ON THREE MAIN PRINCIPLES LIMITING THE SIZE OF GOVERNMENT RUNNING THE CITY LIKE A BUSINESS BEING EFFICIENT WITH TAXPAYER FUNDS. SO WHEN I'M PRESENTED WITH A BUSINESS PLAN THAT SPENDS A LOT OF TAXPAYER MONEY AND INCREASES THE SIZE OF GOVERNMENT, I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. HERE ARE THE PROBLEMS I SEE WITH THIS BUSINESS PLAN. IF I'M GOING TO INVEST IN A STARTUP, I WANT TO KNOW THAT I CAN TRUST THE FINANCIALS. IN THIS CASE, THE REVENUE NUMBERS HAVE CHANGED THREE TIMES IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS BY AS MUCH AS 50 PERCENT. THE NUMBER OF AMBULANCES NEEDED HAVE MORE THAN DOUBLED SINCE THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION. IN NOVEMBER WE TOOK, OR WE WERE TOLD AN AMBULANCE WOULD COST ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY K. NOW IT'S OVER 300K. IF I WENT TO A BANK FOR A BUSINESS LOAN AND I DIDN'T AND I DIDN'T HAVE MY NUMBER STRAIGHT ON THE FRONT END, I WOULDN'T GET VERY FAR. LAST MEETING, THIS FINANCE DIRECTOR TOLD US THAT THE NUMBERS WERE ROUGH ESTIMATES. IF WE WERE TO RUN THE CITY LIKE A BUSINESS, THE FINANCIALS THEY PRESENTED WOULDN'T HOLD UP WITH THEIR BANK OR OUR CONSTITUENTS. THERE ARE SEVERAL SIMPLE BUSINESS PRACTICES THESE FINANCIALS DON'T INCLUDE. NUMBER ONE, THE EXPENSES DON'T INCLUDE STEP PLAN RAISES. NUMBER TWO, IT DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR INFLATION. NUMBER THREE, WE LIVE IN A FAST GROWING CITY, AND OUR FINANCES DON'T INCLUDE POPULATION INCREASE ESTIMATES, WHICH WILL MEAN MORE AMBULANCES IN BIGGER LOSSES AS TIME GOES ON. THE REVENUE NUMBERS DON'T INCLUDE PLANNED CHANGES TO MEDICARE REIMBURSEMENTS. IT SPENT SIDE DOESN'T INCLUDE THE COST OF A QUALITY ASSURANCE POSITION AT ROUGHLY 100K PER YEAR. IN THE LAST MEETING, I ASKED ABOUT NON-EMERGENCY TRANSFERS AND WAS TOLD IT WOULD BE UP TO COUNSEL WHETHER OR NOT WE DO THEM. BUT IT'S STILL SHOWING IN THE REVENUE. IN FACT, MOST FIRE DEPARTMENTS DON'T DO NON-EMERGENCY TRANSFERS, BUT WE ARE SHOWING IT AT ALMOST 20 PERCENT OF PLAN REVENUE. SEVEN. I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT STAFF SHOWS THE BENEFIT OF NON-EMERGENCY TRANSFERS ON THE REVENUE SIDE, BUT THE COST ISN'T ON THE EXPENSE SIDE. THE NUMBER OF AMBULANCES NEEDED IS CALCULATED BASED ON EMERGENCY CALLS ONLY. IF WE DO A NON-EMERGENCY. IF WE DO NON-EMERGENCY TRANSFERS, WE'RE LIKELY TO NEED MORE STAFF AND MORE AMBULANCES. STAFF CAN SAY THESE FINANCIALS ARE CONSERVATIVE, BUT I'VE BEEN A CONSERVATIVE MOST ALL MY LIFE, AND I DON'T. I JUST CAN'T. THERE ARE JUST TOO MANY HOLES IN THE BUSINESS PLAN TO CALL THESE FINANCIALS CONSERVATIVE, BUT WORST OF ALL, THE FINANCIAL PROJECTIONS PRETEND THAT WE ARE GOING TO MAKE MONEY OR BREAK EVEN BASED ON SOME FINANCIAL MAGIC. AND THE MAGIC IS THAT THE AMBULANCE STAFF DOESN'T COST A DIME. IN NOVEMBER, WE RECEIVED A CONSULTANT'S REPORT THAT TOLD US OUR SQUADS ARE EXPENDABLE. WITHIN A FEW WEEKS OF THAT REPORT, WE HIRED NINE MORE PEOPLE TO PUT ON THE SQUADS. DON'T GET ME WRONG, I'M NOT ADVOCATING LAYING ANYONE OFF. IF SQUADS ARE EXPENDABLE. THERE ARE MANY OTHER OPTIONS, INCLUDING THE STAFFING OF A FUTURE FIRE STATION FOR. BUT MOVING THESE FOLKS TO AMBULANCES DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY WORK FOR FREE. I'VE BEEN IN FINANCE IN BUSINESS FOR A LONG TIME AND I'VE NEVER SEEN FINANCIAL MAGIC LIKE THIS. EVEN WORSE STILL, THE FINANCIALS ASSUME THAT WE HIRE SIX MORE PEOPLE FOR FREE BECAUSE A THIRD SQUAD IS PLANNED FOR NEXT YEAR. THIS COUNCIL HASN'T EVEN BUDGETED FOR NEXT YEAR, AND THERE IS NOTHING SAYING WE HAVE TO HIRE ANYBODY. I'VE ALSO HEARD THE ARGUMENT THAT WE HAVE THAT WE HAVE SQUADS BECAUSE OF MEDSTAR. BUT THIS IS CLEARLY NOT TRUE. MR. DOES NOT REQUIRE WE HAVE SQUADS AND OTHER CITIES IN MEDSTAR DON'T HAVE THEM. STAFF IS DETERMINED TO CONVINCE US THAT EMPLOYEES SHOULD NOT BE COUNTED AS EXPENSES FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER AND NOT JUST FOR A YEAR OR TWO, BUT FOREVER. LET'S JUST LOOK AT HONEST NUMBERS. PEOPLE COST MONEY IN ANY VENTURE. IT USUALLY IS YOUR BIGGEST EXPENSE OR LARGEST EXPENSE. THE PROBLEM FOR STAFF IS ONCE YOU COUNT THE SALARIES AND THE BENEFITS OF ALL THE [INAUDIBLE] STAFF. THE LOSSES ARE IN THE MILLIONS EVERY YEAR, AND IT WILL ONLY GET WORSE AS OUR POPULATION GROWS. IF WE ADD IN TRUE COST OF EMPLOYEES ACCOUNT FOR INFLATION, STEP PLAN RAISES, POPULATION INCREASE AND SO ON. [02:30:01] THE TEN YEAR FINANCIAL IMPACT WILL BE LOSSES THAT ARE CONSERVATIVELY 20 TO $30 MILLION, AND IT'S LESS. AND LET US NOT FORGET RIGHT NOW THE CITY PAYS NOTHING FOR THE MEDSTAR SERVICE. I AM JUST NOT SURE THAT I CAN LOOK PEOPLE IN THE EYE AND TELL THEM THIS IS A THIS IS A CONSERVATIVE USE OF TAXPAYER MONEY. THE FINANCIALS ARE BASED ON ROUGH GUESSES. THE NUMBERS HAVE CHANGED DRASTICALLY IN A MATTER OF WEEKS, AND THEY ASSUME WE AREN'T GOING TO LOSE MILLIONS BASED ON A VERY CREATIVE ACCOUNTING. IF I WENT TO A BANK LOOKING FOR FUNDING WITH THIS BUSINESS PLAN, I WOULD BE LAUGHED OUT OF THE ROOM. ONLY GOVERNMENT CAN GET AWAY WITH THIS STUFF. LET'S BE REAL. THIS IS GOING TO COST TAXPAYERS TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OVER THE NEXT DECADE, AND IT WILL ONLY GET WORSE AS TIME GOES ON. AS POPULATION GROWS, WE WILL. WE WILL NEED MORE AMBULANCES AND MORE EMPLOYEES, AND THE LOSSES WILL GET BIGGER AND BIGGER. I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL NOW FOR 15 YEARS OR OVER 15 YEARS, AND THIS WILL BE THE BIGGEST INCREASE IN THE SIZE OF GOVERNMENT. THE BIGGEST INCREASE IN OPERATING COSTS I'VE EVER SEEN. ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS I GET AS A COUNCIL MEMBER IS ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY THE GOLF COURSE LOSES IF WE GO THROUGH THIS. THOSE LOSSES WILL LOOK LIKE PEANUTS AND THIS IN THIS CASE, IT COMES RIGHT STRAIGHT FROM THE GENERAL FUND. ALL I HAVE. MAYOR, I COULD I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO RESPOND TO A COUPLE OF THINGS. I'M NOT GOING TO GO POINT BY POINT COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN THROUGH THAT, BUT CERTAINLY RESPECT YOUR OPINIONS. BUT I DO TAKE EXCEPTION WITH THE IDEA THAT THIS IS FINANCIAL MAGIC. WE'VE TRIED TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT WITH THIS COUNCIL IN THIS COMMUNITY ON OUR COST. ALL OF THE COSTS THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY THROUGH OUR CONSULTANT AND THROUGH OUR STAFF THAT WOULD BE RELATED TO THIS VENTURE, WE'RE TRYING TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT AND LAY THOSE OUT TO YOU. SO THERE'S NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE FOR US IS TO BE TRANSPARENT AND WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE THAT INFORMATION AND IT IS WHAT IT IS. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT REVENUE CHANGING OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS, THAT'S SIMPLY NOT TRUE. IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE CONSULTANT'S REPORT BACK FROM EARLY NOVEMBER, IT'S BEEN CONSISTENT. TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND FOR NON-EMERGENCY TRANSPORTS AND OVER ONE POINT THREE MILLION FOR EMERGENCY TRANSPORTS, THAT HAS BEEN THE SAME ALL THE WAY THROUGH THIS PROCESS. THIS ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY OR ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLAR FIGURE FOR AN AMBULANCE THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE INCREMENTAL COST OVER THE SQUAD, WHICH THE SQUAD UNIT COST ABOUT ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS FULLY LOADED. SO THE ONE TWENTY FIVE PLUS THE ONE POINT THIRTY FIVE IS TWO HUNDRED AND SIXTY THOUSAND, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING THE COST OF THE AMBULANCES. AS FOR INFLATION, WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT IF YOU HAVE TO INFLATE THE NEW COST, YOU ALSO HAVE TO INFLATE THE CURRENT COST, THE CURRENT COST THAT WE HAVE FOR PROVIDING EMS SERVICES OR MORE THAN THE NEW COST. SO BY DOING THAT AND ADDING AN INFLATION FACTOR, THE NET BENEFIT WOULD GROW EVERY YEAR. AND AS A REMINDER, WE'RE SHOWING A NET BENEFIT OF FIVE POINT FIVE MILLION DOLLARS OVER A 10 YEAR PERIOD. FIVE POINT FIVE MILLION NET BENEFIT. THAT'S OUR PROJECTION. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS ABOUT COST. SOME COSTS WILL COME UP THAT WE HAVEN'T ANTICIPATED, BUT WE DO HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL MARGIN FOR ADDITIONAL COSTS IF THERE ARE ANY. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF THE QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM. ALL RIGHT. SO I THINK IT'S TIME TO GIVE DIRECTION, AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THIS ON THE AGENDA. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT ON THE AGENDA AS WELL. YEAH. RONNIE. NOT SURE WHAT ANOTHER WORKSHOP WOULD DO FOR US. YEAH, I THINK I THINK WHEN I DO THINK WE NEED TO GET ON WITH IT, WE DON'T NEED TO LEAVE THESE GUYS IN LIMBO. WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION. DAN. I GOT A LIST OF THINGS TO SAY, BUT I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT BRIEF. I THINK WE'RE ALL TROUBLED BY WHAT WE'RE FACING HERE AS A PARADIGM SHIFT BECAUSE IT IS A BIG CHANGE AND CHANGE ALWAYS LEADS TO DISCOMFORT. BUT WE'RE NOT BEING ASKED TO BOLDLY GO WHERE NONE HAVE EVER GONE BEFORE. WE'RE BEING TOLD THAT A BETTER MODEL IN TERMS OF COST, A BETTER MODEL IN TERMS OF RESPONSE AND CERTAINLY A BETTER MODEL IN ACCEPTANCE BY THE STAFF MEMBERS FROM TOP TO BOTTOM IS BEING HELD OUT FOR US TO CONSIDER AND I DO WANT TO PUT IT ON FOR A VOTE. [02:35:01] I THINK I HAVE A LOT OF GOOD REASONS WHY I THINK THE CITY SHOULD BENEFIT BY DOING THIS. IF YOU'RE ONLY ASKING ME NOW, DO WE WANT TO BRING IT TO A COUNCIL FOR A VOTE, THEN I'LL STOP OUT THERE AND SAY YES, DEFINITELY SO. I'M IN FAVOR OF BRINGING IT TO A VOTE TO AND I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION WHENEVER, WHEREVER YOU ASK PERMISSION. YOU KNOW, GOOD, I'M GOOD. YEAH. SO THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL HAS PUT THIS ON THE NEXT AGENDA. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. OK. YES, PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. OK. THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCIL, THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. LET'S TAKE ABOUT WHAT FIVE MINUTE, FIVE MINUTE BREAK? THANK YOU. HOW ABOUT TEN? WE'LL MAKE IT 10. WE'RE GOING TO GET GOING AGAIN, IF YOU'LL EXCUSE US, WE'RE GOING TO BE NIBBLING WHILE Y'ALL TALK. OK, LET'S GO. OK, MAYOR AND COUNCIL THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM ONE B RECEIVER REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION AND GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING BOND COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS. [B. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding Bond Committee recommendations. (Presenter: DeeAnn Cheatham, Bond Committee Chair)] TODAY'S PRESENTER IS DIANE CHEATHAM. SHE IS THE BOND COMMITTEE CHAIR. MS. CHEATHAM. THANK YOU. I GUESS IT'S ALMOST GOOD AFTERNOON AT THIS POINT. I'M GLAD TO BE HERE. MY NAME IS DIANE CHEATHAM AND I WAS THE HEAD OF THE BOND COMMITTEE AND WE HAD QUITE A FEW MEETINGS WHERE WE DISCUSSED OPTIONS FOR THE CITY. DIANE, I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING. YOU HAD A REALLY, REALLY TOUGH JOB AND I KNOW EVERYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN TRULY IMPRESSED WITH YOU. OH, THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY EASY TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF RESPECT WHEN YOU GO INTO A ROOM. THE KEY IS AT THE END OF IT, IF YOU STILL GOT THE RESPECT. SO, YEAH, YOU DID A GREAT JOB. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HANDLING. APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND, I'M SURE YOU ALL KNOW THIS. AN AUGUST 11TH, THE CITY COUNCIL WAS BRIEFED ON THE PROPOSED 2021 BUDGET, THE FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND DEBT CAPACITIES. AND THEN ON THE 16TH, THE COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO PROCEED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF A BOND COMMITTEE. AND THEN, ON SEPTEMBER 20TH, THE COUNCIL APPROVED A RESOLUTION CREATING THE BOND COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER A POTENTIAL BOND ELECTION IN MAY ON MAY 7TH OF 2022. AND THIS IS THE COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP, AND I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE OF MEMBERS HERE. IS IT OK IF I ASK HIM TO STAND JUST TO KIND OF RECOGNIZE THE WORK TO YOU'RE HERE AND WE'RE ON THE COMMITTEE, YOU STAND DAVE O'CONNOR BACK THERE, OK? I HAD ANOTHER ONE HERE, BUT HE LEFT, BUT I APPRECIATED THE COMMITTEE. I THOUGHT WE HAD A GREAT COMMITTEE. THEY WERE GOOD APPOINTMENTS. WE HAD REALLY GREAT DISCUSSION, GREAT QUESTIONS, EVERYBODY. WE DIDN'T ALWAYS AGREE, BUT I FELT LIKE WE WERE AGREEABLE AND WE ALL GOT ALONG AND WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE COME TO A CONSENSUS ON OUR DECISIONS. AND I THINK EVERYONE ON THE COMMITTEE WANTED WHAT WAS BEST FOR BURLESON. I FELT THAT PRETTY STRONGLY THAT EVERYBODY WANTED TO DO WHAT WAS BEST FOR BURLESON, EVEN IF WE HAD MAYBE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF HOW TO HOW TO GO ABOUT THAT. EVERYBODY WANTED WHAT WAS BEST. AND I KNOW THAT A LOT OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS SOLICITED FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY SO THAT WE WEREN'T JUST SPEAKING FOR WHAT WE FELT, BUT ASKING PEOPLE WHAT THEY FELT ABOUT THE DECISION. AND MOST OF OUR DECISIONS WERE, IF NOT UNANIMOUS, VERY CLOSE TO AN UNANIMOUS. SO I FELT LIKE WE WERE ABLE TO COME TO. COME TOGETHER ON OUR DECISIONS. MY GOAL IN THIS PRESENTATION IS TO RIDE THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS, OBVIOUSLY TO BE AS FACTUAL AS POSSIBLE ON THE PROCESS AND THE PERTINENT DISCUSSIONS THAT LED TO THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY LIMITATIONS ON OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, EXPLAIN THAT AND THEN ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS THE COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE. OK, SO THE CHARGE IN SCOPE OF THE COMMITTEE WAS TO CONSIDER CAPITAL PROJECTS SUPPORTED BY PROPERTY TAX. REVIEW THE FINANCING CAPACITY FOR THE PROJECTS MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE PROJECTS TO BE FINANCED THROUGH EITHER THE ISSUANCE OF GENERAL OBLIGATION OR CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION BONDS, AND THEN REPORT THAT TO THE COUNCIL BECAUSE WE'RE JUST OBVIOUSLY AN ADVISORY BOARD AND THEN PRESENT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH I AM DOING TODAY AND THIS IS FROM STAFF. THIS IS NOT WHAT THE BOND COMMITTEE DID, BUT ACCORDING TO THE STAFF, PRIOR TO MEETING WITH THE BOND COMMITTEE, THE STAFF UPDATED THE COST ESTIMATES ASSOCIATED WITH EACH PROJECT. THERE WERE VARIOUS CHANGES ASSOCIATED WITH STREET PROJECTS DUE TO STAFF RECOMMENDED SCOPE CHANGES AND UPDATED ESCALATION ESTIMATES. STAFF ALSO COORDINATED WITH A CONSULTANT TO PREPARE DETAILED COST ESTIMATES FOR PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES IN THE FIVE YEAR PLAN. AND THEN THE ESTIMATES PROVIDED BY THE CONSULTANT WERE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER. YOU'RE PROBABLY ALL AWARE OF THAT THAN THE ORIGINAL PROJECTIONS DUE TO PROGRAMING NEEDS AND THEN CONSTRUCTION COST ESCALATION BECAUSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE ECONOMY [02:40:04] RIGHT NOW. AND SO, BASED ON THE REVISED FIGURES, THE COMMITTEE WAS ASKED TO PRIORITIZE PROJECTS AND FUNDINGS, AND THIS ENDED UP BEING THE MAIN FOCUS OF THE COMMITTEE AS WE WERE TRYING TO PRIORITIZE WHAT PROJECTS ARE WE GOING TO KEEP IN THE BOND PROJECT AND WHICH ONES WERE NOT? WE WERE GOING TO RECOMMEND. SO OUR PRELIMINARY NUMBERS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO US ON OCTOBER 13TH WAS A TOTAL OF 88 MILLION. WE HAD 64 MILLION FOR STREET AND DRAINAGE, 10 MILLION FOR FLEET EXPANSION, 12 MILLION FOR FIRE STATION AND TWO MILLION FOR CAD. AND THEN IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, WE GOT THE NUMBERS FROM THE CONSULTANTS AND THAT CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY TO WHERE THE POLICE EXPANSION WENT FROM 10 MILLION TO 30 TO 50. TWO MILLION FIRE STATION WENT FROM 12 MILLION TO 12 TO 16 MILLION AND THEN THE CAD SYSTEM WAS THE SAME AND WE WERE GIVEN ADDITIONAL PROJECTS TO THE STREETS, BUT THEY DIDN'T RECOMMEND ADDITIONAL PROJECTS. THERE WERE JUST SOME ADDITIONAL PROJECTS THAT WE COULD CONSIDER. SO AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THESE NUMBERS, WE HAVE A CAP OF 88 MILLION. AND IF WE DO NOT WANT TO INCREASE THE TAX RATE, WE HAD TO CUT CUT SOME OF THESE PROJECTS AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE WERE GOING TO PRIORITIZE. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE DID. SO THE PUBLIC SAFETY PROJECTS, AND THIS IS JUST A REAL BRIEF OVERVIEW. CONSTRUCTION, A FIRE STATION NUMBER FOUR ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN. THEY GAVE US TWO TO FOUR BAY OPTIONS TO CONSIDER. AND THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE WAS 12 MILLION IN THE COST RANGE FROM 12 TO 16 MILLION. THE COMPUTER AIDED DISPATCH PROGRAM IS A SYSTEM THAT IS BEING REPLACED NOW, I THINK, OR VERY, VERY SOON. IT'S REACHED END OF LIFE, AND THE ESTIMATED COST FOR THAT WAS TWO MILLION, AND THAT DID NOT CHANGE OVER THE COURSE OF OUR MEETINGS. THE POLICE HEADQUARTER EXPANSION WAS THE NEXT PROJECT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. THERE WERE FOUR OPTIONS PRESENTED. THE BASE EXPANSION CONSISTED OF ADDITIONAL TWENTY THREE THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT BUILDING SITE WORKED LIGHT RENOVATION, A SMALL TRAINING CENTER AND THEN RELOCATION OF COMMUNICATIONS. AND THEN THE OPTIONAL ELEMENTS THAT WE CONSIDERED WERE A LARGER TRAINING CENTER, A SUPPORT BUILDING, A HOLDING FACILITY AND A FULL RENOVATION OF THE EXISTING FACILITY. SO IN THE ESTIMATES FOR THOSE RANGES RANGE FROM THIRTY TO FIFTY TWO MILLION. AND THEN THIS IS THE LIST OF THE STREET PROJECTS THAT WE WERE GIVEN. THE FIVE OR SIX AT THE BOTTOM WERE ALTERNATE PROJECTS, AND THAT SECOND COLUMN GIVES YOU THE UPDATED COST. SO SOME OF THOSE COSTS WENT UP, SOME OF THE COST WENT DOWN AND THEN THE COST DIFFERENCE WAS FORTY THREE MILLION. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I GOT THAT BASE ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHT MILLION OF PROJECTS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO US. BUT AGAIN, THOSE WEREN'T ALL RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. ALL RIGHT. SO OUR FOCUS JUST TO TELL YOU WHAT WE WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND WHAT WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT MUCH, THE FIRE STATION WAS PROBABLY OUR LEAST DISCUSSED ITEM AS THERE IS UNANIMOUS SUPPORT THAT WE NEEDED A FIRE STATION ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN AND THAT WE WANTED TO GO WITH THE FOUR BAY OPTION. THE CAD SYSTEM ALSO NEEDED MINIMAL DISCUSSION AS THE CRITICAL NEED WAS PRETTY APPARENT TO THE BOND COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND WE FELT LIKE THAT NEEDED TO BE FUNDED. WE SPENT THE MAJORITY OF OUR MEETING DISCUSSING THE POLICE STATION OPTIONS AND THE STREET PROJECTS, AND THEN ONCE THE COMMITTEE DETERMINED WHAT OUR OPTION WAS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, THAT WE SPENT THE REST OF OUR THE REST OF OUR TIME TALKING ABOUT STREET PROJECTS AND WHICH ONES WE WILL INCLUDE, INCLUDING THE BOND PROJECT. THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION OF CO VERSUS GO BONDS, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE. THERE WAS MINIMAL DISCUSSION ABOUT TAX RATE. WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THAT WAS OUR PURVIEW. WE WE DIDN'T WANT TO RECOMMEND RAISING TAXES, AND THAT WAS ABOUT THE END OF THE DISCUSSION FOR US ON THAT, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE GOT ONCE WE GOT ALL THE INCREASED COSTS, WE FIGURED THERE PROBABLY WASN'T A WAY TO DECREASE THE TAX RATE. AND HERE'S OUR MEETING SCHEDULE. I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THAT, BUT JUST THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT. GOT HUNG OUT, THERE WE GO. RIGHT. OK. WHOOPS, WHERE AM I? HERE WE GO. OK. KEY CONSIDERATIONS. SO THE COMMITTEE WAS BRIEFED ON THE DEBT CAPACITIES AND CONSIDER WHAT SIZE OF PROGRAM TO RECOMMEND A CITY COUNCIL. AND WE KNEW THAT FUNDING WAS LIMITED TO 88 MILLION OF THE EXISTING DEBT CAPACITY. SO WE USED THAT AS A CEILING AND USE THAT KIND OF AS A GUIDE FOR WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE COMMITTEE. SO HERE ARE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. TYPE OF FUNDING GENERAL OBLIGATION VS. CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION FUNDING. THE COMMITTEE DELIBERATED WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS THEIR CHARGE TO RECOMMEND CO DEBT ISSUANCE AND FELT THE COUNCIL HAD DIRECTED G0, BUT WE STILL DISCUSSED IT SOMEWHAT. I THINK EVERYONE WAS IN AGREEMENT HAD IT PERCENT THAT THE POLICE AND FIRE NEEDED TO BE ON GEO BECAUSE THERE WERE SUCH LARGE EXPENDITURES. AND ULTIMATELY, THE COMMITTEE MADE THE DETERMINATION TO RECOMMEND GEO OR SEO FUNDING ON A PROJECT BY PROJECT BASIS WITH THE STREETS. ALTHOUGH VOTES WERE NEVER TAKEN ON INDIVIDUAL STREET PROJECT, WE DID HAVE A MOTION TO FUND ALL THE STREET PROJECTS WITH COS AND NO ONE THERE WAS NO SECOND. SO THAT DIET. SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE EXTENT OF THE DISCUSSION OF COS VERSUS GO'S VOTES [02:45:03] WERE TAKEN ON ISSUING COS FOR THE CAT SYSTEM IN THAT PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. SO WE WERE IN SUPPORT OF DOING THAT. ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR? YES. WHAT WAS THE PERCEPTION OF THE COMMITTEE OF THE DISCUSSION BETWEEN COS AND GO'S? DID THEY UNDERSTAND WHY WE WANTED TO GO TO COMMITTEE TO STOP? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS FULLY UNDERSTOOD BY THE COMMITTEE. WE WERE JUST TRYING TO GET CITIZENS ENGAGEMENT INTO THE PROCESS INSTEAD OF US JUST TRYING TO TELL THEM WHAT TO DO. RIGHT? I MEAN, I THINK I MEAN, THE COMMITTEE WAS PRETTY WAS UNANIMOUS ON DECIDING TO GO WITH COS FOR THE PROJECTS. OK. SO I MEAN, I THINK WE ALL SEE THE BENEFITS OF BOTH. I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE A RIGHT OR WRONG TO DO THIS. THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY. THIS IS THE WRONG WAY. THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING IT, AND THEY'RE BOTH VALID WAYS OF FUNDING THINGS. SO. ALL RIGHT. SO HERE ARE THE BOND PROJECT RECOMMENDATIONS WE HAVE THE WE RECOMMENDED THE FIRE STATION FOUR WITH THE FOUR BAY, WHICH WAS ALMOST 16 MILLION POLICE DEPARTMENT EXPANSION OPTION C, WHICH WAS THIRTY SIX MILLION COMPUTER AIDED DESIGN SYSTEM, 20 MILLION AND THEN ABOUT THIRTY FOUR MILLION IN STREET PROJECTS. AND WE'LL GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUALLY. SO FIRE STATION NUMBER FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE FOUR FIRE STATION IS TO SUPPORT THE PROJECTED POPULATION GROWTH ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CITY. I THINK WE ALL ARE AWARE OF THE NEEDS FOR A STATION OUT THERE AND WE FELT THAT THE FOUR BASE STATION WOULD PROVIDE. WELL, IT PROVIDES FOR FOR SINGLE STACK, 60 FOOT APPARATUS AND ACCOMMODATE THE HEAVY DUTY RESCUE OPERATIONS EQUIPMENT. AND I THINK THAT WAS THE KEY FOR THE COMMITTEE IN VOTING FOR THE FOUR BAY VERSUS THE THREE OR TWO BAY, AS WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS THE PROXIMITY TO CHISHOLM TRAIL WAS A KEY FACTOR AND WE WANTED TO HAVE THAT KIND OF EQUIPMENT SO THEY COULD GO AND DO RESCUE. HEAVY DUTY RESCUE OPERATIONS HAVE THAT ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN. AND THE COST FOR THIS, THIS STATION IS 16, 15 MILLION NINE HUNDRED FORTY THREE THOUSAND INCLUDES FOUR BAYS LIVING QUARTERS FOR 11 PERSONNEL, A STORM SHELTER, TRAINING ROOM, POLICE SUBSTATION, A COMMITTEE ENGAGEMENT SPACE, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SPACE. AND THEN THERE WAS A CONTINGENCY FOR CONSTRUCTION CONSTRUCTION ESCALATION OF ABOUT THREE POINT FIVE MILLION BECAUSE THIS PROJECT WON'T BE BUILT FOR ANOTHER FIVE OR SIX YEARS. SO EXCUSE ME, I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR BRYAN. HOW DID WE GET THE ESTIMATE? DID WE TALK TO A CONSULTANT? WE HIRED A FIRM FOR THIS, FOR THE POLICE STATION. YES, MA'AM. SO THE I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A NATURAL QUESTION OF HOW DID WE END UP FROM TEN MILLION FOR BPD TO THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAD? BILLY AND I HAD SKETCHED OUT SOMETHING ON BASICALLY A NAPKIN AND SHOWED ME HE REALLY LIKE EVEN HAD SOME THINGS TO SCALE. BUT LIKE, I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHEN IT'S JUMPED WHAT IS AND IT SAYS IT'S INCLUDING THIS MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE, THIS HOW DID YOU KNOW THIS? DID WE TALK TO A CONSULTANT? SO FOR BP? BPD, WHAT CHIEF CORDELL AND I DID IS WE LOOKED AT TWENTY TWENTY THOUSAND FEET AT FOUR HUNDRED BUCKS A FOOT PLUS A $2 MILLION CONTINGENCY. AND WE WERE UNCOMFORTABLE GOING WITH THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE WE FELT LIKE WE NEEDED TO HAVE A MORE ROBUST CONVERSATION ABOUT THE NEEDS. SO WE HIRED A FIRM CALLED BRW OR AN ARCHITECTURAL FIRM. AND FOR BOTH THE FIRE STATION AND THE POLICE STATION EXPANSION, THEY WENT IN AND DID A NEEDS ASSESSMENT FOR THOSE AREAS AND CAME UP WITH OPTIONS ABOUT DIFFERENT PIECES. AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE COST INFORMATION WAS. AS WELL AS THE COST INFLATION THAT WE'RE SEEING CONSTRUCTION INFLATION, WE HAD TO TRY TO ESTIMATE WHAT WAS GOING TO BE THAT ADDITIONAL AMOUNT. AND SO THEY HELPED US PREPARE THOSE ESTIMATES, RIGHT? AND A KEY CONCERN FOR THE COMMITTEE WAS IF COSTS DIDN'T ESCALATE, WE DIDN'T WANT THAT MONEY BOND TO BE THAT MONEY TO BE USED. WE WANTED IT TO BE THOSE BONDS ON ISSUE. SO THAT WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ON THE COMMITTEE. ALL RIGHT. HERE'S A RENDERING OF THE FOUR BAY FIRE STATION. LOOKS NICE. POLICE EXPANSION ACCORDING TO STAFF, THE SUMMER OF NEEDS WHERE THEY NEEDED A LARGER FACILITY TO SUPPORT CURRENT AND FUTURE STAFF. AND THAT SEEMED PRETTY APPARENT WHEN WE DID OUR OUR TOUR AND THE RELOCATION OF COMMUNICATIONS OPERATIONS TO A HARDENED FACILITY. ADDITIONAL TRAINING SPACE. NEW SUPPORT BUILDING TO HOUSE EVIDENCE AND EQUIPMENT. AND ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES WITH A PERIMETER FENCE TO ENHANCE OFFICER SECURITY. AND THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE WE WENT WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF THE $36 MILLION FACILITY, IT INCLUDES THE BASE EXPANSION OF TWENTY THREE THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. THE LARGER TRAINING SPACE OPTION WAS A KEY FEATURE FOR THE COMMITTEE BECAUSE WE FELT LIKE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT, THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE POLICE HAVE THE TRAINING FACILITIES. THEY NEED TO STAY ON TOP OF TRAINING, RELOCATION OF COMMUNICATIONS TO A FACILITY ADDITION, A PARTIAL BUILD OUT OF THE SUPPORT BUILDING. WE DIDN'T REALLY DISCUSS THAT A WHOLE LOT, BUT IT WAS PRETTY EVIDENT THAT THEY NEEDED MORE SPACE FOR EQUIPMENT AND AND STORAGE. [02:50:02] AND THEN THE MINOR RENOVATION OF THE EXISTING FACILITY AND THE CONTINGENCY FOR CONSTRUCTION ESCALATION WAS 7.2 MILLION. WE DIDN'T REALLY DISCUSS THAT, BUT THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE TOTAL AMOUNT. SO ANY QUESTIONS OR YEAH, I HAVE QUESTIONS ON THIS. SURE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT. I'M SORRY, WE'RE EATING LUNCH, WHAT WE'RE DOING. SO SORRY, I SAID I DIDN'T WANT TO BE ON CAMERA WHILE I WAS EATING. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ADEQUATELY SUPPORTING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THIS EXPANSION, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE BASED ON WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TELLING US. BECAUSE WHAT I DON'T WANT TO COME BACK OR I DON'T WANT TO LOOK BACK WHEN I'M A CITIZEN AND NOT ON COUNCIL 10 YEARS FROM NOW, AND WE'RE BACK AT IT AGAIN WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHERE WE DIDN'T GIVE THEM, YOU KNOW, REALLY ADEQUATE ROOM TO EXPAND, NOT JUST FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, BUT THE NEXT 10, POSSIBLY 20, WITHOUT HAVING A SUBSTATION SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO DO YOU TRULY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS REALLY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE JAIL CHIEF? IS THIS REALLY WHAT'S GOING TO GIVE US WHAT WE NEED SO THAT WE'RE NOT IN THIS POSITION AGAIN IN 10 YEARS? WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL BILLY CORDELL CHIEF OF POLICE AND THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER PAYNE FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION. WE LOOKED AT THE THERE ACTUALLY WERE FIVE OPTIONS BECAUSE THE COMMITTEE WANTED US TO COME BACK LOOKING AT IF WE TOOK OPTION C, WHICH IS LISTED UP HERE AND ADDED A JAIL TO IT. WHAT WOULD THAT COST US? SO WE LOOKED AT THE AT THE FOUR ORIGINAL OPTIONS AND DISSECTED THOSE PRETTY HEAVILY IN THERE BRW WHEN THEY CAME IN. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I APPRECIATED THAT THEY DID WAS THEY MET WITH STAFF FROM ALL OVER OUR DEPARTMENT. WHAT ARE YOUR NEEDS? WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO NEED NOT ONLY TODAY, BUT 15 YEARS FROM NOW? SO THESE NUMBERS MAN COUNTS ARE BASED ON A 15 YEAR PROJECTION. WHEN WE MOVED INTO THAT FACILITY IN 2015, IN NOVEMBER, 2015, IT'S TWENTY FOUR THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. SO TO YOUR POINT, IN EXACTLY SPOT ON IS THAT IN TWO THOUSAND NINE, GSBS'S ARCHITECTURAL FIRM DID A SPACE FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR BPD NEEDS ONE OFF TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I BELIEVE THAT NEED WAS WAS THIRTY TWO THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. SO WE MOVED IN SIX YEARS LATER, EIGHT THOUSAND SQUARE FEET BEHIND THE CURVE, AND YOU NEVER CAN MAKE THAT UP. SINCE THEN, WE SINCE WE MOVED IN IN 15, WE'VE ADDED 30 PEOPLE TO THE FOOTPRINT AND NUMEROUS DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS THAT WE DID NOT DO THEN AND THEN TALKED ABOUT THE TRAINING COMPONENT ON THAT. AND THAT'S A HUGE PIECE FOR ALL OF US. SO WHEN WE PUT THIS TOGETHER, THE FIFTY TWO MILLION OPTION BE A BIG PART OF THAT. IT GETS US A FULL PARTIAL. WE'RE GOING WITH A PARTIAL SUPPORT, BUILDING A THIRD BUILDING BECAUSE WE CAN BUILD THAT TO LESS THAN THE HARDENING STANDARDS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THE MAIN FACILITY AND THAT THAT WASN'T IN PLACE WHEN WE BUILT THE CURRENT FACILITY. THOSE HARDENING STANDARDS. SO THE ONLY OTHER ADDITION TO THAT WOULD TAKE THAT FROM 4500 SQUARE FEET TO EIGHT THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. WHAT THAT DOES IS GIVES US SOME LARGE EVIDENCE STORAGE SPACE THAT WE LACK. IT ALSO GIVES US SOME SOME BAYS IN THERE SO THAT WE CAN GET OUR SPECIALTY VEHICLES INSIDE SOMEWHERE INSTEAD OF OUT ON THE ELEMENTS ON THAT. SO THE ORIGINAL OPTION D WAS SIXTY NINE THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, AND THAT INCLUDED RENOVATING COMPLETELY RENOVATING THE EXISTING TWENTY FOUR THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. THE THOUGHT ON THAT WAS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO REALLOCATE THE SPACES IN THERE RIGHT ON IT. WE HAVE TO REALLOCATE THOSE SPACES IN THERE TO GET THE FLOW OF IT BECAUSE YOU NEED 7200 SQUARE FEET FOR YOUR PATROL OPTION. CAN WE EEK THAT OUT OF WHAT WE'RE CHANGING AROUND AND MOVING INTO THE TWENTY THOUSAND TWENTY THREE THOUSAND? WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE ACTUALLY GET TO ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN ON THAT. SO THE THE ADDITIONAL SPACE AND THE PARTIAL SUPPORT BUILDING WAS THE ONLY ADDITION. AND THEN IT WAS LIKE A SEVEN POINT SOMETHING MILLION DOLLAR COMPLETE RENOVATION OF OUR EXISTING BUILDING, AS OPPOSED TO A ONE POINT TWO MILLION LIGHT RENOVATION. SO THEIR PROJECTIONS WERE BASED ON FIFTEEN YEARS AND TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION EACH DEPARTMENT. SO WE BELIEVE THAT WE'RE WE'RE IN LINE. WE WILL NEED A JAIL SOMEDAY. WE THINK WE CAN GET BY WITHOUT THAT HOLDING FACILITY TO THE DURATION OF OUR CONTRACT WITH MANSFIELD. AND HOW LONG? WHAT'S OUR START DATE ON THIS IF THIS GOES THROUGH? I DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT SIX EIGHT YEARS FROM NOW, LIKE THEY DID WITH THE OTHER, AND THE STUDY NOW IS KIND OF IRRELEVANT, YOU KNOW, IN SIX YEARS. I THINK MARTIN HAS A SLIDE ON THIS IN THE NEXT PRESENTATION, BUT I WANT TO SAY IT'S '24 '25 IS THE YEAR IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY. SO IT'LL PROBABLY TAKE US IF WE STARTED TODAY FROM BEGINNING TO END THREE YEARS, PROBABLY ABOUT A YEAR FOR DESIGN AND 18 MONTHS TO 24 MONTHS FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE [02:55:03] FACILITY. SO WE'VE GOT A BASIC TIMELINE FOR THAT. THANK YOU, CHIEF. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE AHEAD OF THIS GAME. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. HEY, CHIEF, WHILE YOU'RE UP, SORRY, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. HAVE WE? AND I'M SURE OTHERS PROBABLY WEIGH IN. HAVE WE EVER THOUGHT ABOUT BUILDING A COMMUNITY TRAINING FACILITY THAT BENEFITS FIRE, POLICE? IS IT IRVING THAT JUST CAME ONLINE WITH ONE? BUT I KNOW LIKE WE SEND FIRE TO FORT WORTH TO TRAIN AND THAT'S AN OUT OF COMMISSION TRUCK. DO YOU ALL HAVE TO SEND PEOPLE TO? WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU HAVE TO, IF YOU HAD TO. IF WE HAD A CONTRACT WITH JOHNSON COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT ABOUT JAILS THAT WOULD HAVE YOU OUT OF THAT HAD TWO OFFICERS OUT. IS THERE AN OPTION TO TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? AND I KNOW YOU'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, IT'S NOT EXACTLY CONVENIENT, SO IT MAY NOT BE UTILIZED. BUT I'M JUST WONDERING HOW OFTEN ARE WE SENDING EITHER OF OUR DEPARTMENTS OUT OF THE COMMUNITY TO TRAIN, TO PRACTICE TO? AND COULD WE MAYBE KILL TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE IF WE BUILT THAT TARGETED FACILITY AND OUT AT LIKE MAYBE THE SERVICE CENTER THAT'S SECURE AND SEPARATED? OK, SO THE QUESTION IS WHAT I HEARD. THE FIRST QUESTION OR THE PIECE OF THAT WAS IF WE EVER THOUGHT ABOUT A JOINT TRAINING CENTER WITH FIRE AND POLICE. WE HAVE NOT HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF CHIEF FREEMAN. WE HAVE VERY DIFFERENT TRAINING MECHANISMS. YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE A USE FOR USE FOR SIMULATOR DEFENSIVE TACTICS AND THOSE THINGS WE DON'T HAVE USE FOR, FOR A TOWER, FOR FIRES, A POOL AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO CLASSROOM SPACE, I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THAT BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S VERY DIFFERENT TRAINING NOW. THE SECOND HALF OF YOUR QUESTION, IF I HEARD YOU, DO WE SEND PEOPLE OUT? AND YES, WE DO A LOT OF THAT. WE LOOKED AT, I THINK IT WAS 2018 AND 2019. AND WE SAID OF OUR TRAINING BUDGET, WHICH IS ROUGHLY FIFTY FIVE TO SIXTY THOUSAND. EIGHTY THREE PERCENT OF THAT TRAINING BUDGET WAS REGISTRATIONS. THE REST OF THAT WAS PER DIEM TRAVEL AND OTHER EXPENSES THAT THE FOLLOWING YEAR IT WAS EIGHTY FOUR PERCENT WAS AT RESERVATIONS. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH PUTTING THIS TRAINING CENTER IN ITS 8000 SQUARE FEET IS TO PUT 250 SPACE CLASSROOMS IN SO THAT WE CAN BECOME A MORE TAKING STEPS TO BECOME A TRAINING PROVIDER. WE CAN BRING PEOPLE HIGH END TRAINING INTO OUR OWN CLASSROOM, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT SPACE, RIGHT? BRING THEM IN HERE AND THEN WE GET TWO TO THREE SPOTS IN THEIR FREE RIGHT. SO WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO SEND PEOPLE OUT. THERE ARE SOME SPECIALTY THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SEND THEM OUT, BUT WE CAN GET MORE AND BETTER TRAINING BY HAVING A FACILITY TO HOST THAT RIGHT. AND THEN THERE IS DATA OUT THERE FROM THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CHIEF POLICE, THE PRESIDENT OR THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF PERF, WHICH IS THE POLICE EXECUTIVE RESEARCH FORUM THAT SAID A ROBUST TRAINING CENTER CAN ENHANCE YOUR RECRUITMENT AS WELL AS YOUR RETENTION. SURE. AND WE BELIEVE THAT TO BE THE CASE. SO WE WANT TO BECOME A TRAINING PROVIDER. AND THAT'S A LOT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THERE. BUT WE NEED TO SEPARATE THESE THINGS OUT BECAUSE OUR DEFENSIVE TACTICS IS IN A CLOSET. WE HAVE SEVEN DIFFERENT PURPOSES FOR OUR TRAINING ROOM NOW THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE WHEN WE STARTED THERE, AND IT HAS TO BE REPURPOSED EVERY TIME YOU WANT TO REDO SOMETHING SEPARATING THOSE THINGS OUT, MAKING THEM READILY AVAILABLE ENCOURAGES TRAINING, AND THERE'S NOT A NATIONAL NARRATIVE ONE NOT A NATIONAL NARRATIVE ONE THAT DOESN'T SAY MORE AND BETTER TRAINING. WE'RE GETTING THE COMPONENTS IN THERE. WE'VE GOT TO HAVE THE SPACE TO FACILITATE THAT. AND THAT RADIATES, I THINK OF OFFICER LOT. THAT IS THE NUMBER ONE THING HE SAID WAS TRAINING. BUT I'M JUST WONDERING, YOU KNOW, LIKE JUST LIKE YOU'RE SAYING EXACTLY WHERE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT HAVING THE CLASSROOM SPACE TO WHERE ENABLE US TO BE A HOST? HAVE SOME OF OUR SPOTS AVAILABLE TO US FOR FREE. AND I'M WONDERING HOW MUCH IF WE CONSIDERED AN OPTION OF LOOKING AT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WOULD CALL IT, A COMMUNITY TRAINING FACILITY THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL AND ENABLE US TO HOST NOT ONLY PD, BUT FIRE TOO, I WOULD PRESUME, CHIEF THAT IT WOULD OPEN US UP TO BE A HOST AND POSSIBLY HAVE MONEY COMING IN FROM OTHER TRAINING FOR HOSTING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I PRESUME IT WORKS KIND OF THE SAME WAY. AND JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE, BECAUSE, YEAH, [INAUDIBLE] NEEDS AND IF WE'RE GOING, I MEAN, I'M JUST I'M NOT THE BIGGEST ADVOCATE FOR RETROFITTING THINGS. I FEEL LIKE THE COST SIGNIFICANTLY GOES UP AND I HAVE HEARD YOU TIME AND TIME AGAIN, SPEAK TO THE THE TIME GAP. AND BY THE TIME YOU WERE IN, IT WAS YOU WERE ALREADY OUTGROWN AND IT'S JUST NOT FAIR. AND I TOO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE THOROUGHLY VETTING EVERYTHING THAT YOU [03:00:07] NEED AND CAN MEET ALL OF THOSE NEEDS TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY. BUT OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE COST AND WITH THE RISING COST OF THINGS. I JUST WANT TO JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT OPTIONS WE HAVE. I THINK IT'S A GREAT CONVERSATION AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE TALKED TO THE COMMITTEE ABOUT. I KNOW CHIEF CORDELL AND I HAVE BEEN VISITING ABOUT IS POTENTIALLY OTHER THINGS THAT WE MIGHT NEED IN THE FUTURE. ONE OF THOSE IS A FIRING RANGE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, AND WE WANT TO DO SOME CHECKING TO SEE IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, INDOOR FIRING RANGE AT THE SERVICE CENTER. AND IF WE WERE TO DO IT, THAT LOCATION. DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO ADD A JAIL COMPONENT THERE AT SOME POINT AND MAYBE SOME OTHER TRAINING AREAS? THE JAIL IS SOMETHING THAT GENERATED QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMITTEE. I REALLY FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS BEFORE WE GO DOWN THAT PATH. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I PROPOSED TO YOU IN THE UPCOMING BUDGET IS THAT WE LOOK AT THAT ALL AVENUES THAT ARE OUT THERE TO SEE KIND OF HOW WE WOULD WANT TO HANDLE IT. I THINK I'VE TOLD CHIEF CORDELL DOES, AND THE COMMITTEE IS WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE JAIL BUSINESS IF WE CAN AVOID IT. BUT IT IS UNFORTUNATELY. AND I THINK USING THAT SERVICE CENTER SITE, MAYBE TO YOUR POINT, IS HOW CAN WE MAXIMIZE THAT AND HAVE SOME OTHER TYPES OF USES OUT THERE? BUT DEFINITELY THE FIRING RANGE IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR A FUTURE BOND PACKAGE IS HOW WOULD WE INCLUDE THAT WITH MAYBE SOME OTHER ELEMENTS? HOPEFULLY, IT'S HELPFUL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER BEFORE? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. RIGHT. ONTO WELL, THIS IS JUST A SPREADSHEET I PUT TOGETHER BECAUSE I LIKE NUMBERS AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, SO THE FIRST OPTION IS THIS COLUMN THE SECOND OPTION THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WAS THE TRAINING WAS A FULL SIZE TRAINING FACILITY. AND THEN THE THIRD OPTION THAT WE CHOSE ALSO HAD THE PARTIAL SUPPORT BUILDING. AND THEN OPTION D, WHICH WE DIDN'T CHOOSE, INCLUDED A FULL RENOVATION OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, FULL SUPPORT BUILDING AND THEN THE JAIL. SO THE CAD SYSTEM, THE EXISTING SOFTWARE HAS REACHED ITS END OF LIFE, NO FUTURE ENHANCEMENTS, ENHANCEMENTS WILL BE RELEASED, SUPPORTS ANTICIPATED [INAUDIBLE] WITHIN THE NEXT FEW YEARS. AND SO THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED TO ISSUE $2 MILLION WITH COS TO PURCHASE THE NEW CAD SYSTEM. BRYAN, IS THERE ANY? I MEAN, I KNOW I ASKED FOR AN UPDATE ON ARPA FUNDS AND WHAT WE SPENT AND WHERE WE HAVE, WHERE WE THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT SPENDING THE REST. IS THERE ANY ROOM? I KNOW CHIEF DAVIS TOLD ME THAT THIS IS KIND OF LIKE A TWO YEAR SHOPPING PROCESS, BUT IF WE DID IT WITHIN ARPA, FUNDS HAVE TO BE SPENT WITHIN TWO YEARS, CORRECT. SO IF WE DID IT. I'M JUST WONDERING, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS AN IMPERATIVE PIECE TO A LOT OF OUR SERVICES. AND IF ARPA FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE, I WOULD THINK THIS WOULD BE A WORTHY EXPENSE. THAT'S A GOOD POINT, ONE I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY THOUGHT OF UNTIL YOU MENTIONED IT TO SEE IF IT COULD BE USED. I'M NOT SURE IF IT CAN. MARTIN'S PLANNING TO GIVE AN ARPA UPDATE TO THE COUNCIL NEXT TUESDAY ON THE 18TH, AND SO WE'LL LOOK AT THE CRITERIA AND SEE IF THERE IS A WAY TO FIT IT IN. I'M NOT SURE IF THERE IS. I AGREE WITH YOU. IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S CRITICAL, AND I THINK THAT'S THE COMMITTEE KIND OF AGREED THAT WAS CRITICAL AND THAT'S WHY THEY WANTED TO PULL IT OUT OF A VOTER PACKAGE. BUT SO MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT SOME OPTIONS TO SEE HOW WE CAN FUND IT. LOOKING AT A BOND, IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT OUT. SO IF THERE'S ANY WAY, MAYBE THIS COULD SPEED IT UP JUST A TAD [INAUDIBLE] WE HAVE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE. THAT'S GRANT FUNDING AND IT IS SPECIFIC. MY UNDERSTANDING WAS IT WAS TO HELP COMMUNICATIONS TO IT GOES HAND IN HAND, SO I'LL LOOK FORWARD TO MARTIN'S PRESENTATION. THANKS. OK. ALL RIGHT. STREET PROJECT RECOMMENDATIONS. SO I'M JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH THE LIST OF PROJECTS THAT WE FELT WERE IMPORTANT OR PRIORITIZED HIGHER THAN THE OTHERS, I THINK THEY'RE ALL KIND OF IMPORTANT. THAT WAS THE HARD PART IS YOU HAVE A LOT OF IMPORTANT PROJECTS AND YOU HAVE TO PRIORITIZE THEM BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY. BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREET REBUILDS. THERE WERE FOUR LIGHT ITEMS TO FUND NEIGHBORHOOD STREET REBUILDS, AND I JUST INCLUDED THEM ALL IN ONE IN THIS SLIDE, JUST FOR CONCISENESS, ABOUT THREE MILLION. WE THE DISCUSSION THAT WE, WE HAVE WITH STAFF FOCUS ON HOW THEY EVALUATE THE STREET REBUILDS AS A WHOLE. WE DIDN'T AS A WHOLE, WE DIDN'T REALLY GO THROUGH STREET BY STREET. WE WANT THIS STREET OR THAT STREET. WE ASKED HOW THEY EVALUATE IT. WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, TRUST THEIR JUDGMENT. AND SO WE VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE PACKAGE. THE NEXT PROJECT WAS INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AT HULEN AND WILSHIRE, AND THIS IS TO EXPAND THE INTERSECTION TO THREE NORTHBOUND AND THREE SOUTHBOUND LANES, A DUAL LEFT TURN LANE AND ONE DEDICATED RIGHT TURN LANE. AND ULTIMATELY, THIS IS GOING TO BE A SIX LANE DIVIDED HIGHWAY, BUT THIS IS JUST THE INTERSECTION PORTION OF IT, AND THAT'S THE BENEFIT. IT'S INCREASED THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT CAN TRAVEL THROUGH THIS SIGNAL AT EACH LIGHT [03:05:01] CYCLE AND IT'S 1.7 MILLION DOLLARS FOR THAT. [INAUDIBLE] DOES THAT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS FIT IN WITH THE TXDOT PROJECT TOO? THE ONE ON ONE SEVENTY FOUR? WELL, THIS IS THE HULEN PART THAT I WOULD. I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S A STAFF QUESTION, I THINK. IS THIS COINCIDING WITH THE 174 PROJECT? IT WILL BE RELATED. I MEAN, IT'S ADJACENT TO IT, BUT THAT SCOPE ISN'T INCLUDED IN IN THE TEXT DOT PROJECT. OK. MR. MAYOR. SO THIS WOULD BE TIED TO IT, BUT IT'D BE DONE AT THE SAME TIME. NO, SIR, IT WOULD NOT. THIS WOULD BE A CITY LED PROJECT, WHEREAS TXDOT IS GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTING 174. OKAY, THANK YOU. IF THIS PROJECT IS DONE, DOESN'T WHAT? HOW DOES THAT DIFFER FROM THE OTHER HULEN PROJECT THAT BUILDS IT UP TO CANDLER IS THIS? ARE THESE TIED TOGETHER OR? THEY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, COORDINATED? THEY WERE SEPARATED ORIGINALLY JUST FOR TIME SAKE. WE GET A LOT OF BENEFIT. I MEAN, YOUR FAILURES ARE GOING TO FIRST OCCUR AT THE INTERSECTIONS. SO THIS WOULD BE IMPROVING THE INTERSECTION SO YOU GET MORE EFFICIENCY WHERE CARS ARE ARE NOT STACKED UP TO QUEUE THROUGH THE LIGHT. THE EXPANSION OF THIS AND CONTINUATION TO CANDLER THAT YOU MENTIONED IS JUST A SECOND PHASE OF THIS PROJECT. I KNOW, BUT THERE ARE TRANSITIONAL PAYMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE BUILT IN ORDER TO EXPAND AN INTERSECTION AND THEN CONNECT IT TO THE EXISTING ROADWAY. YES. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT'S VERY COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TO EFFICIENCY IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THE WHOLE IF WE'RE GOING TO VOTE TO SUPPORT THE WHOLE PROJECT. I DON'T SEE THIS BEING A PROJECT, MAYBE IT'S JUST A LARGER VERSION OF THE OTHER PROJECT. THEY CERTAINLY COULD BE COMBINED IF THEY'RE BOTH APPROVED. THAT WOULD. IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, DESIGNED AND BUILT TOGETHER FOR EFFICIENCY. INSTEAD OF BUILDING A LENGTH OF ASPHALT PAVEMENT TO MOVE OVER AND CONNECT TO THE EXISTING ROADWAY, WE'D JUST ELIMINATE THAT COST FACTOR AND BUILD FROM THE START. YES, SIR. VERY GOOD POINT. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO I DON'T THINK IT MAY BE A SMALL MATTER. IT'S A MILLION DOLLARS OR SO FOR THAT TRANSITION, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT. WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT SO. EXCELLENT POINT. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. NOW THAT'S ABOVE MY PAY GRADE, I DON'T. THE NEXT ITEM WAS THE INTELLIGENT TRAFFIC SYSTEM PLAN, AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO COORDINATE ALL THE THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND IT'S A CONSISTENT SIGNAL INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, CAMERAS THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND THE BENEFIT IS IMPROVED EFFICIENCY IN TRAFFIC OPERATIONS, INCREASED SAFETY SECURITY, IMPROVED ACCIDENT MANAGEMENT AND GIVE STAFF THE ABILITY TO CONTROL SIGNAL TIMING AND THE COST THAT WAS 2.1 MILLION AND WE VOTED TO INCLUDE THAT INITIALLY AS WELL. BRYAN IS THIS 174? YES DO WE HAVE CONTROL YET OF 174? NO, WE DO NOT. BUT WE ANTICIPATE TO HAVE THAT SOON. HOPEFULLY THIS YEAR, WE HOPE. YES. SO TXDOT. I'LL LET PAUL ADDRESS A LITTLE BIT MORE. SORRY. SO. SO THAT'S IN PROCESS. THAT'S IN PROCESS. YOU KNOW, IT'S TO HAND OVER THAT AND TO GET THE CONTROL OF THE SIGNALS. BUT THIS PROJECT IS CITYWIDE, SO IT'S EVERY SIGNAL THAT THE CITY CURRENTLY OPERATES AND TXDOT SIGNAL, IF WE DON'T GET CONTROL OF 174, IT WOULDN'T. WE'RE HOPEFUL. RIGHT. I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE OPPOSITION FROM TXDOT TO DO SO. I THINK IT'S JUST BEEN A MATTER OF GETTING THE PLAN IN FRONT OF THEM AND GOING THROUGH ALL OF THE, FRANKLY, SOME OF THE BUREAUCRACY TO GET THE APPROVALS. BUT WE FULLY EXPECT THAT IT WILL HAPPEN. IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF WHEN. RIGHT? AND OF COURSE, THIS BEING APPROVED ON A BOND ELECTION WOULD ALSO ELEVATE THAT, I THINK. SO THIS ISN'T A MATTER OF THE TIME GETTING THIS DONE IS NOT CASH AVAILABLE. THIS IS SCHEDULED OR WHAT? HOW DO WE EXPEDITE THIS IF THIS IS GOING TO SPEED UP OUR TRAFFIC ON ONE SEVENTY FOUR? WE DO HAVE SOME FUNDING NOW IN PLACE TO START THIS PROCESS. WE ALREADY HAVE A CONSULTANT THAT'S HELPED US STUDY THIS AND AND PROGRAM IT AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON THIS. BUT IT WOULD BE CONTINGENT UPON THE REST OF IT WOULD BE CONTINGENT UPON THE BOND. WELL, IF IF WE'VE GOT TO GO AHEAD ON THE BOND AND THE CITIZENS FOR THIS, I COULD SEE THIS BEING A CO. IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE TO EXPEDITE THIS. WE COULD PUT THIS ON A CO INSTEAD OF THE GO. BUT CERTAINLY UP TO YOUR DISCRETION, IS THAT A DISCUSSION? THAT WE CAN HAVE ON THAT. SURE. I THINK THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, POLICY DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE AND ALL OF THESE ITEMS. FRANKLY, IF YOU PREFER TO DO A CO AND ISSUE THE BONDS NOW, WE WOULD PROBABLY PRACTICALLY JUST COME BACK WITH A REIMBURSEMENT ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION AND GET STARTED ON IT [03:10:01] IMMEDIATELY. BUT WE STILL HAVE TO GET TXDOT TO APPROVE IT FIRST. SO EVEN IF I HAD THE MONEY IN HAND RIGHT NOW, I CAN'T GO OUT AND JUST DO THE WORK. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO HEAR. OK. RIGHT. THE NEXT PROJECT WAS HULEN WIDENING, AND WE HAD A FOUR LANE OPTION. AND WE HAD A TWO OPTION THAT WAS EIGHT, ALMOST EIGHT MILLION. AND BECAUSE OF BUDGET CONSTRAINTS, WE KIND OF WENT WITH THE TWO LANE OPTION FOR NOW. WE WERE TOLD IT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER TO GO WITH THE FOUR LANE DOWN THE ROAD, SO IT WOULD INSTALL TWO CONCRETE TRAVEL LANES WITH CURB AND GUTTER ADDRESS, THE DRAINAGE AND CONDITION ISSUES AND PREPARE THE ROAD FOR FUTURE EXPANSION. SO THAT'S WHAT WE APPROVED AND THAT'S. YEAH. WHERE THAT YELLOW LINE IS. RIGHT, AND THEN ALSBURY BOULEVARD EXTENSION, THIS IS AT THE ROUNDABOUT TO 1020 RIGHT HERE, AND THAT'S EXTENSION OF ALSBURY BOULEVARD FROM THE ROUNDABOUT TO C.R. 1020. THIS NEW SECTION WILL BE A FOUR LANE DIVIDED ROADWAY WITH TURN LANES AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS. INCREASES MOBILITY TO CHISHOLM TRAIL PARKWAY. AND IT'S A FUTURE EXTENSION OF ALSBURY THAT PROVIDES INCREASED CAPACITY. WE HAD LOOKED AT MAYBE SPLITTING THIS ONE UP, BUT THE COST SAVINGS WERE VERY SIGNIFICANT, SO WE WENT WITH THE WHOLE PROJECT FOR 7.4 MILLION. THAT INCLUDES ABOUT A MILLION FOR ROADWAY DESIGN AND ABOUT SIX AND A HALF MILLION FOR CONSTRUCTION. AND THEN. I THINK THIS IS THE GREEN LINE, RIGHT? THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. THIS IS A COUNTY ROAD 1020. NOW THIS PROJECT IS THE TOTAL COST IS LIKE 13 MILLION AND THIS IS JUST FOR INITIATE RIGHT AWAY DESIGN. I'M NOT EVEN SURE IT'S ENOUGH TO COVER RIGHT AWAY DESIGN, BUT IT WOULD HAVE SOME MONEY SO THEY COULD INITIATE THAT PROCESS AND THEN DOWN THE ROAD, EXPAND AND BUILD THAT ROAD. AND IF I COULD, I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON THIS. I KNOW WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMITTEE. IT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE PROJECT TO WIDEN THIS ROAD TO FOUR LANES. IT'S ACTUALLY THE TOTAL PROJECT IS TWENTY FIVE MILLION TO WIDEN THAT TO FOUR LANES. AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT LAKEWOOD BOULEVARD BEING FUNDED WITH THE 4A FUNDS, SO THAT'S THE THE YELLOW DASH LINE. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. THAT'S FROM 1020 ALL THE WAY UP TO 1902, THAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED WITH 4A DOLLARS. THE COUNCIL HAD COMMITTED UP TO THIRTY FIVE MILLION FOR THAT PROJECT. WE'RE HOPING THERE WILL BE SOME SAVINGS FROM THAT PROJECT THAT THEN COULD BE TRANSFERRED TO THIS PROJECT AS WELL. 1020. THAT'S A FUTURE DECISION. I DON'T KNOW THOSE NUMBERS YET BECAUSE I SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THAT. WE DON'T HAVE THE DESIGN FINALIZED, BUT THOSE ARE SOME OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE. AND I THINK THE COMMITTEE'S INTENT WAS TO REALLY KIND OF PROVIDE SOME MONEY TO GET US STARTED ON IT. AND IT MIGHT BE IT'S A FUTURE BOND PROGRAM OR FUTURE TIME PERIOD DOWN THE ROAD WHERE WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. SO I JUST WANT TO PROVIDE THAT CONTEXT. CONCERN WOULD BE THE CONFUSION IT MIGHT CAUSE. IT'S NOT EVERY CONSTITUENT IS GOING TO LIKE. WELL, I GUESS IN SOME OF THE WORDING, IT WAS LIKE INFRASTRUCTURE. SO YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY MIGHT SEE THIS LIST AND SAY, WELL, I THOUGHT WE PAID FOR THAT. I WORRY ABOUT USING BOND FUNDS LIKE A [INAUDIBLE] BOND PACKAGE THAT INSINUATES THAT WE'RE PROVIDING INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THIS. BUT THIS ISN'T I MEAN, IT'S SOME FOOTWORK THAT'S NECESSARY FOR SUCH IMPROVEMENTS. BUT I WORRY ABOUT THE CONFUSION AND THE EXPECTATION THAT WE'RE SETTING WITH CITIZENS THAT MAY NOT FULLY LIKE READ ALL THE FINE PRINT AND FULLY UNDERSTAND LIKE, OH, BUT THIS PROJECT ONLY GOT THIS BECAUSE TO SOME RESIDENTS LIVING OUT THIS DIRECTION, THAT ROAD MIGHT BE REALLY IMPORTANT TO THEM. YEAH, THAT'S A FAIR CONCERNS. I THINK THE WAY STAFF LOOKED AT IT WAS THE I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF COLORS ON HERE, BUT THE BRIDGE FROM HULEN AND ALSBURY, THE ROUNDABOUT CONNECTION THAT WE SHOWED FOR [INAUDIBLE] WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS A CRITICAL CONNECTION THAT NEEDED TO BE MADE FIRST. SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF SEQUENCING. YES, THIS ONE THAT THIS ONE WOULD BE DONE FIRST. WHILE WE'RE POTENTIALLY DOING SOME RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION AND DESIGN ON THE OTHER PIECE AND THAT THIS WOULD COME FIRST AND THEN LATER AFTER THAT WOULD BE THE 1020. AND I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A SIMILAR TYPE OF THING PERHAPS FOR HEALING, AS DO YOU WANT TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE OR DO YOU WANT TO TRY TO SEQUENCE IT? I KNOW THERE'S SOME COST CONCERNS THAT HAVE TO BE TALKED ABOUT THERE, BUT IT'S A LOT OF AREA TO BE MESSED UP ALL AT ONE TIME TOO. AND I THINK IT'S WHAT'S THE TOLERANCE FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA. TO HAVE ALL OF THESE ROADS GOING AT THE SAME TIME IS PROBABLY ANOTHER THING TO THINK ABOUT. BUT YEAH, TOUGH, TOUGH QUESTIONS. BUT THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE LOOKED AT IT WAS THAT WAS THE FIRST ONE, THE BRIDGE, AND THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO AGAIN TAKE TWO TO THREE YEARS TO GET THAT COMPLETED. AND THEN FROM THERE, TRY TO LOOK AT THE OTHER PIECE. [03:15:01] I REALLY HATE TO STEP AWAY, BUT I HAVE A KIDDO SITUATION THAT I NEED TO HANDLE. I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE AND I'LL STEP BACK RIGHT AS SOON AS THIS IS OVER. GO TO THE NEXT ONE. THIS PROJECT IS NOT BUILDING EAST RENFRO BECAUSE IT'S THE STATE HIGHWAY, BUT THE PLANNING [INAUDIBLE] AND ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES TO WIDEN EASTERN RENFRO FROM I-35 TO, IT'LL BE LIKE, I THINK IT'S SIX LANES FROM I-35 TO HURST AND THEN FOUR LANES FROM HERS TO CR602. AND SO THE BENEFITS ARE TRAFFIC CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS. IF YOU EVER DRIVEN OVER THERE, I DROVE OVER THERE. IT'S PRETTY CRAZY. AND IT ALSO MAY INCREASE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR CONSTRUCTION WITH TXDOT. SO. FELT LIKE THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT ONE, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN AND MOST EVERYTHING ELSE IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN. AND IT WAS A PROJECT THAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? A TRAFFIC INTERSECTION TRAFFIC AND SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS FOR ELK HILL, HILLSIDE DRIVE AND 734. THIS IS BY THE HIGH SCHOOL BY BURLESON HIGH SCHOOL. SO AN ADDITIONAL FOUR FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK, A TEN-FOOT TRAIL SECTION ON HILLSIDE DRIVE INTERSECTION ENHANCEMENTS FOR FACILITATE SCHOOL, VEHICULAR AND TRUCK AND PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. IT'S. YOU WANT ME TO GO BACK. SURE, NO PROBLEM. I CAN DO THAT. SORRY. YEAH. THE COMMITTEE FELT LIKE THAT THIS WAS A PROJECT. I MEAN, IT WAS ON THE LIST OF PROJECTS. WE MOVED IT UP THE PRIORITY LIST A LITTLE BIT. AND PART OF THE REASONING WAS BECAUSE IT WAS ON THE EAST SIDE AND EVERYTHING ELSE ON THE WEST SIDE AND OBVIOUSLY BY ITSELF. THAT'S NOT A GOOD REASON, BUT IF IT'S A PROJECT THAT'S NEEDED, WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS ANOTHER PLUS FOR IT. AND IT'S BASICALLY TAKING RENFRO. WELL, IT'S JUST DESIGN, [INAUDIBLE] AND ENVIRONMENTAL. IT'S NOT BUILDING IT. SO IT'S ANOTHER DESIGN. IT'S A DESIGN ONE. YES, AND THIS IS FROM. FROM THIRTY FIVE TO 6020 WHICH IS [INAUDIBLE] CREEK. SO IT'S SIX LINES TO HURST AND THEN FOUR LANES TO 602 OUT BY THE SCHOOL. [INAUDIBLE]. YEAH, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I CAN'T GET A HOLD. LET'S TAKE FIVE. THANK YOU. IF Y'ALL DON'T MIND, LET'S TAKE FIVE MINUTES HERE. JUST. SURE. WAS THAT A CALLBACK TO ORDER OR SO WAITING? WE'RE READY TO GO. WE'RE READY TO GO. OK. ALL RIGHT. SO EAST RENFRO, DID WE FINISH THAT ONE? WE WERE DISCUSSING THAT ONE. SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? OK, I'LL MOVE FORWARD. THIS ONE IS THE TRAFFIC, THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS AND HILLSIDE DRIVE IMPROVEMENTS BY BURLESON HIGH SCHOOL. SO ADDITIONAL FOUR FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK, 10 FOOT TRAILS SECTION ON HILLSIDE DRIVE, INTERSECTION ENHANCEMENTS AND LANE ASSIGNMENT ADJUSTMENTS AT FM 731. SO THE COMMITTEE REALLY JUST FELT LIKE ANY KIND OF SCHOOL SAFETY ISSUES WERE REALLY IMPORTANT. AND SO THESE WERE PRETTY EASY FOR US TO APPROVE. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? IT'S ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS AND THEN STATE HIGHWAY 174 WIDENING PHASE TWO SCHEMATIC AND AN ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITTING. THIS WAS TO GET A SCHEMATIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITTING FROM HULEN TO WICKER. NO, FROM WICKER HILL TO THE CITY LIMITS ON. AND I DON'T THINK, WAS THIS ONE INCLUDED IN THE CIP PLAN THAT WE GOT OR WAS THIS ONE THAT THE COMMITTEE ADDED, WAS THIS ALREADY ON THE? I THINK IT WAS ALREADY ON THE LIST. IT'S THE 1.9 THE NEXT ONE THAT WAS ADDED. OK. SO THAT'S BASICALLY JUST KIND OF GOES ALONG WITH THIS NEXT ONE, WHICH IS THE ENGINEERING FROM, WHOOPS. FROM HULEN TO CITY LIMITS TO WIDEN STATE HIGHWAY 174 TO SIX LANES AND SO. WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WILSHIRE IS A CRITICAL THOROUGHFARE IN THE CITY, SO AND THIS IS ONE THAT WAS ADDED BY THE COMMITTEE. OK. YES, MA'AM. BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE RIGHTS TO THIS YET. NO, THE THOUGHT WAS FOR THIS PROJECT AND RENFRO TO HAVE A FULLY DESIGN PROJECT READY TO GO. IT GIVES TXDOT MORE FLEXIBILITY TO FUND IT RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE IT'S SHOVEL READY, SO TO SPEAK. YOU'VE GONE THROUGH THE ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE, YOU HAVE DESIGN PLANS AND THEN YOU CAN GO REQUEST THAT FUNDING FROM TXDOT OR COG OR ONE OF THOSE REGIONAL AGENCIES TO HELP FUND IT. RIGHT. BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE ENGINEERING DONE, THEN YOU'RE MUCH FARTHER DOWN THE QUEUE I THINK. ASKING US TO ASKING TAXPAYERS TO MAKE THE INVESTMENT TO DO THE LEGWORK [03:20:03] SO THAT IT'S SHOVEL READY AND TXDOT CAN HOPEFULLY MOVE IT UP ON THEIR. RIGHT. HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH TXDOT TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHERE BURLESON LIES. IN THEY'RE LIKE, WHERE DOES BURLESON PROJECTS IN PARTICULAR LIE ON THEIR BIG PLAN? ARE WE NUMBER TWO HUNDRED AND TWENTY, OR ARE WE TWENTY THREE AND WE'RE CLOSE, AND THEN IT MAKES SENSE TO MAKE THIS KIND OF INVESTMENT? I HAVEN'T HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THEM ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PIECE BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN FOCUSED ON TRYING TO BUILD IT FROM ELK TO HULEN, AND THAT'S A FUNDED PROJECT FROM TXDOT T O DO THAT ON THE RENFRO PIECE, WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ABOUT TRYING TO GET THAT PROJECT MOVING, AND THEY WERE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT PROJECT AND FELT LIKE THEY COULD GET THAT FUNDED. AND THIS IS FROM A COG PERSPECTIVE WITH THEIR TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR, MICHAEL MORRIS, THAT HE COULD PROBABLY GET THAT FUNDED IF WE HAD IT DESIGNED. SO WITH THAT SAID, THOSE WHEELS MOVE PRETTY SLOWLY SOMETIMES, AND IT MAY TAKE A FEW YEARS BEFORE THAT WOULD BE FUNDED AND WE COULD GET GOING. BUT IT'S TO HAVE THIS ENGINEERING DONE IN THE DESIGN. YOU'RE A LOT FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD THAN WITHOUT IT. THAT'S THE WHOLE. BUT THIS PROJECT, I MEAN, THIS WAS ADDED BY THE COMMITTEE TO TRY TO HAVE THAT FULL ONE SEVENTY FOUR CORRIDOR DESIGNED. AND ARE THERE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES FOR FAIRLY CERTAIN I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS WORKING FOR THE CONGRESSMAN'S OFFICE FOR LIKE JUST ENGINEERING PIECES OR JUST TO MAKE PROJECT SHOVEL READY AND MORE APPEALING TO TO GET ON FROM THE COG FROM. I MEAN, I KNOW, I MEAN, THINGS HAVE DEFINITELY CHANGED SINCE I WORKED FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND APPROPRIATIONS ARE NO LONGER IN EXISTENCE, BUT I DON'T KNOW NOW ARE THERE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP BRING SOME OF THOSE FEDERAL DOLLARS TO SMALLER COMMUNITIES AND HOW YOU CAN ADVOCATE FOR THOSE? THERE DEFINITELY ARE, AND WE'VE HAD SOME OF THOSE PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS WITH COG. I KNOW THE MAYOR WORKS IN THE TARRANT COUNTY REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COALITION. I'D LIKE THIS TO HAVE A BIGGER PRESENCE IN THOSE WITH BOTH TARRANT COUNTY AND THE RTC, THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COUNCIL. I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE REAL MONEY IS. I THINK YOU EXPECT TO HAVE FOR THIS REGION, WE EXPECT TO HAVE MORE DOLLARS AVAILABLE WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE BILL THAT CAME OUT OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE, BUT AT SOME POINT THERE WILL BE SOME MORE DOLLARS POTENTIALLY FOR THIS REGION AND WE NEED TO HAVE A GOOD POSITION AT THOSE WITH THOSE GROUPS ABOUT A WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WHERE WE ARE WITH OUR TRANSPORTATION PLAN SO THAT WE COULD BE AT THE FRONT DOOR TO ASK FOR THOSE GRANT DOLLARS. I HAVE SEEN PERSONALLY IN MY EXPERIENCE IN OTHER CITIES THAT YOU CAN GET SOME OF THOSE AWARDS AND THERE REALLY MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN GETTING SOME PROJECTS DONE. BUT IT DOES TAKE A LOT OF TIME AND A LOT OF EFFORT, AND WE'RE LOOKING HAVING A BRIEFING LATER THIS WINTER OR EARLY SPRING WITH THE COUNCIL ABOUT SOME WAYS THAT WE THINK WE CAN GET MORE INVOLVED AND GET MORE OF THE COUNCIL INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS. I'D LOVE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT. YEAH, WE'D LOVE TO DO THAT. I DID. I SERVED ON THESE COMMITTEES IN PREVIOUS ROLES AND THAT THE EXISTING TURN LANE ON EAST RENFRO AND THE EXPANSION THAT IT SAW WAS BECAUSE OF FEDERAL DOLLARS. WELL, AND ONE OF THE GOOD THINGS WE'VE GOT GOING ON IS OUR NEW GUY OVER HERE, TOMMY HAS GOT SOME CONNECTIONS ON HOW THAT WORKS AND THE WHOLE THING. [INAUDIBLE] HAS BEEN VERY EYE OPENING TO ME. GOOD GROUP THERE. AND ALSO WE HAD THE PRESENTATION WITH MORRIS WITH COG, AND GETTING THESE [INAUDIBLE] TOGETHER IS SOUNDING LIKE THE KEY TO GETTING PROJECTS DONE. TARRANT COUNTY THEIR BIG PUSH FOR THE WEST SIDE. AND SO I KIND OF VOICED MY OPINION HOW I FEEL LIKE JOHNSON COUNTY IS KIND OF GETTING LEFT BEHIND, AND I DIDN'T APPRECIATE IT. SO MAYBE IT'LL DO SOME GOOD, BUT TOMMY'S BEEN REALLY EDUCATING ME ON SOME STUFF. HE'S SMARTER THAN HE LOOKS. [LAUGHTER] WOW. NO, MAN. THAT WAS A ABSOLUTE JUST JOKE. HE HAVE DONE GREAT AND I'M PROUD OF YOU. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP. WELL, I'LL TELL YOU ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT I THINK IS A GOOD CANDIDATE FOR THIS DOWN THE ROAD IS THE BRIDGE THAT WOULD GO ON HULEN OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS TO CONNECT ALSBURY AND HULEN. THAT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE PROJECT. I THINK IT'S $23 MILLION TO DO THAT. AND SO AS WE LOOK AT GROWING THAT AREA AND PUTTING IN THESE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS AROUND IT, THAT'S A GREAT CANDIDATE FOR US TO GO TO SAY WE CAN'T GET THERE BY OURSELVES, HOW CAN WE GET SOME GRANT MONIES TO MAKE THAT POSSIBLE? AND I THINK THAT DOES IMPROVE THE REGIONAL MOBILITY AS WELL. AND THEY ARE LOOKING FOR TOWNS TO NOT JUST SAY, YOU PICK UP THE WHOLE TAB. THEY WANT TO PARTICIPATE. SO STUFF LIKE THIS THAT GETS US SO MUCH FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD. I'M JUST AFRAID WE'RE PUTTING THINGS ON A BOND. YOU KNOW WHERE OUR JURISDICTION LIES. A LOT OF THE CITIZENS MAY NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT WE HAVE, THE ABILITY TO TRULY TOUCH AND GET AND CONSTRUCT OURSELVES AND WHAT WE DON'T AND WHERE THE MONEY GOES. I JUST LEERY OF PUTTING SOME OF THESE THINGS ON BOND WHEN IT GIVES THE PERCEPTION THAT IT'LL BE, IT'S AN INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT. [03:25:06] SOMETIMES THOSE, NOT ALL THESE LITTLE NUANCES ARE KNOWN. SURE. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT PROJECT IS FM 1902 AND CR910 PEDESTRIAN MOBILITY DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION. THERE'S A SCHOOL OVER THERE THAT'S BLUEBIRD MEADOWS. THERE'S A SCHOOL, AND THIS IS TO IMPROVE SCHOOL SAFETY, WALKING FOR THE CHILDREN THAT LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO ORIGINALLY IT WAS LIKE 1.8 MILLION AND THE ROUTE WAS GOING TO GO ALONG HERE. BUT WE WERE ABLE TO CUT OUT SOME COSTS BY GOING AROUND THE POND AND USING EXISTING SIDEWALKS. SO IT'S ONE POINT, ALMOST 1.5 MILLION. BUT IF YOU'VE BEEN IN 1902, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A PRETTY. UM, HIGH SPEED ROAD AND THIS IS A SCHOOL SAFETY ISSUE, WE FELT THAT THAT WAS IMPORTANT. SO IT'S PROPOSED 10 FOOT TRAIL TO THE SCHOOL IN ADDITION OF A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THE EXISTING SCHOOL CAMPUS, AND THEN WE RECOMMEND IT TO UTILIZE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD SIDEWALKS AND PATHS. SO. PROJECT. AND THAT'S WHERE IT IS ON THE MAP OF THE CITY. AND THE ANNUAL SIDEWALK PROGRAM, WE FUNDED 1.2 MILLION, I THINK IT WAS, WAS IT LIKE 250,000 A YEAR, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THEN WE HAD SOME EXTRA MONEY THAT WE JUST THREW IN THERE BECAUSE WE WANTED TO FUND SIDEWALKS. AND SO THERE'S NOT REALLY A LIST OF SIDEWALKS FOR FUNDING HERE. IT'S JUST WHATEVER THE PRIORITY IS BASED ON THE MOBILITY PLAN AND PARKS MASTER PLAN. SO. AND THEN THE LAST ITEM, I THINK THIS IS THE LAST ITEM. INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AT LAKEWOOD AND STATE HIGHWAY 174, AGAIN, THIS WAS ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP ON THE COMMITTEE TO SEE HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST. AND IT'S ONLY IT'S LIKE ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO ADD A SECOND TURN LANE ON THE NORTHBOUND TURN FROM LAKEWOOD TO WILTSHIRE. SO THE COMMITTEE FELT LIKE THAT WAS WORTH INCLUDING IN THERE AND THERE WAS SOME. THIS WAS PROBABLY THE LEAST UNANIMOUS VOTE THAT IT PASSED, AND THEN AGAIN, HERE'S THE PROJECTS LISTED OUT TOGETHER. AND THESE ARE THE PROJECTS WE DID NOT INCLUDE IN THE BOND PACKAGE THAT WERE LISTED IN THE STREET PROJECTS, SO WICKER HILL, HIDDEN CREEK AT 174 RIGHT TURN LANE VILLAGE CREEK EXPANSION, WEST HIGHLAND, PHASE ONE, C.R.602 REALIGNMENT, ET CETERA. YOU CAN READ THROUGH ALL THOSE, BUT THOSE ARE THE PROJECTS WE DID NOT INCLUDE IN THE BOND. AND THEN AS FAR AS PROPOSITION LANGUAGE GOES, THE COMMITTEE DISCUSSED VARIOUS OPTIONS, AND WE IN THE END WE DECIDED TO RECOMMEND HAVING TWO PROPOSITIONS ONE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE POLICE AND FIRE AND THEN ONE FOR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH WOULD BE ALL THE STREET PROJECTS. AND THE COMMITTEE DETERMINED THAT THE GROUP BEING THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS PROVIDED THE GREATEST FLEXIBILITY AND SIMPLIFIED THE BALLOT. SO. AND IF THERE'S ANY PROJECT SAVINGS ON ONE PROJECT CAN BE SPENT TO OFFSET PROJECT IN OVERRUNS IF THEY'RE IN THE SAME PROPOSITION. SO LIKE IF THEY, YOU KNOW, POLICE COMES IN A LITTLE BIT LOWER AND FIRE COMES A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY TO MOVE THOSE FUNDS AROUND. AND ALSO GROUPING THE PROJECTS INCREASE THE LIKELIHOOD OF APPROVAL. SO. AND THAT IS IT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I APPRECIATE GROUPING THE PROJECTS. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHICH DIRECTION THE MONEY IS GOING IN AND THAT TRANSPARENCY WITH OUR CITIZENS. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING? WELL, I JUST WANT TO PUBLICLY THANK [INAUDIBLE] FOR HER WORK AS CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE, I THOUGHT SHE DID AN EXCELLENT JOB AND ALSO ALL THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WERE JUST EXCELLENT AND WE REALLY HAD A LOT OF, I THINK THERE WERE SEVEN DIFFERENT MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, 15 TO 20 HOURS OF DISCUSSION ON ALL THESE THINGS. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP AND ALL OF THE WORK OF THE COMMITTEE. IT WAS REALLY GREAT. SO THANK YOU GUYS. YEAH, WE HAD A LOT. I MEAN, VERY LITTLE ABSENTEEISM. LIKE ALMOST ALL, THERE WERE A FEW MEETINGS FOR EVERYBODY WAS THERE. SO WITH 15 PEOPLE, THAT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE. I HAVE ONE QUESTION BEFORE WE GO. OFF THE SUBJECT. SO PROJECT GROUPED TOGETHER ON THE SAME BOND PROPOSITION. IF ONE PROJECT UNDER RUNS IN COST AND THAT MONEY CAN BE OFFSET TO USE, BUT ONLY TWO OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THAT SAME BOND PROPOSITION. SO IF WE HAPPEN TO FIND THAT THE 25 PERCENT, SEVEN OR $8 MILLION CONTINGENCY THAT WE SET UP FOR THE POLICE STATION DOESN'T WIND UP BEING SPENT, IT COULD BE USED TO SPEND PARTIALLY ON THE FIRE STATION, BUT NOT ON THE STREETS. THAT'S CORRECT. YOU COULD SPEND LESS ON ALL OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY PROJECTS, FOR EXAMPLE, [03:30:06] IF THE DESIGN AND THE CONSTRUCTION CAME OUT LESS THAN WHAT YOU THOUGHT, YOU WOULD JUST NOT ISSUE ALL OF THOSE BONDS THAT YOU HAVE, THEN SOME CAPACITY THAT COULD BE ISSUED AS A CO. THAT WAS A PROJECT IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT, BUT YOU COULDN'T SPEND THOSE AUTHORIZED BOND FUNDS ONCE THEY'RE ISSUED FOR THAT PURPOSE THEY HAVE TO BE USED FOR THAT PURPOSE. YEAH, YOU SORT OF LED MY QUESTION. SO YOU GOT IT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. SO IF WE DO FIND OUT THAT THIS $36 MILLION POLICE STATION DOESN'T ACTUALLY COST THAT MUCH, THEN WE WOULD JUST FREE UP MORE DEBT CAPACITY THAT WE COULD ISSUE COS AND MAYBE PICK UP SOME OF THE STREET PROJECTS THAT GOT BUMPED OFF THE LIST. YES, SIR. THE OTHER WAY WE'VE LOOKED AT IT AS WELL IS MARTIN IS GOING TO TALK TO YOU IN A MOMENT ABOUT OUR PROJECTIONS AND HOW WE ARRIVED AT THE $88 MILLION IN CAPACITY THAT WE HAVE IN THE BOND PACKAGE. BUT WE THINK WE'VE BEEN VERY CONSERVATIVE WITH THE ESTIMATES FOR THAT. SO IF YOU HAVE HIGHER GROWTH ON PROPERTY VALUES THAN WHAT WE HAD PROJECTED, THEN YOU MAY HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL CAPACITY FOR OTHER COS THAT YOU COULD USE FOR SOME OF THE STREET PROJECTS THAT DIDN'T MAKE OR PERHAPS FOR THE HUMAN PROJECT AS AN EXAMPLE, IF INSTEAD OF DOING JUST TWO LANES YOU WANT TO DO THE FOUR LANES, YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME CAPACITY TO DO THAT. BUT THOSE WOULD BE THINGS THAT WE WOULD SEE EACH YEAR AS WE SEE ACTUALLY WHAT THE FINANCIALS ARE. HOPEFULLY, THAT MAKES SENSE. [INAUDIBLE]. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE, AND HOPEFULLY IT WAS HELPFUL. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR TIME THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US. APPRECIATE IT. [INAUDIBLE] I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. I KNOW YOU COMMIT A LOT TO THE HOME SCHOOL COMMUNITY, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT AND AND THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY, EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE IN THIS COMMITTEE AND AND EVERYTHING THIS IS TRULY A BLESSING FOR US. THANK YOU. OK, MAYOR AND COUNCIL THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 1C, RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION AND GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING FINANCIAL INFORMATION BEYOND [C. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding financial information, bond capacity, and timing for election. (Staff Presenter: Martin Avila, Director of Finance)] CAPACITY AND TIMING FOR ELECTION. TODAY'S PRESENTER IS MARTIN [INAUDIBLE] DIRECTOR OF FINANCE [INAUDIBLE]. THANK YOU, MS. CAMPOS. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, MARTIN [INAUDIBLE], FINANCE DIRECTOR. AS YOU KIND OF EVALUATED, WE EVALUATE ALL THE PROJECTS. ONE OF THE FOCUSES, FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, IS THAT $88 MILLION THAT IS IN ESSENCE WHAT WE'VE PROJECTED BASED UPON CERTAIN FACTORS. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALK ABOUT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS THAT DEBT CAPACITY? AND SO THE FIRST THING WE LOOK AT IS ON A YEAR YEAR BASIS. THIS DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT YOUR PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST, DO YOU HAVE SUFFICIENT? IS YOUR TAX RATE GENERATING A SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF TAX DOLLARS OUT OF THE DEBT RATE TO PAY YOUR PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST? SO THAT IS ONE FACTOR, TOO. SO SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU DON'T YOU DON'T ISSUE BONDS GOING FORWARD THAT OUTSTANDING DEBT AND THAT DEBT CAPACITY TENDS TO BEGIN TO INCREASE. SO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO THEN ISSUE MORE BONDS AS THE OLDER BONDS ARE STARTING TO DECREASE. AND SO THAT IS THE THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, ANALYSIS THAT WE GO THROUGH AS WE'RE DEALING WITH OUR DEBT RATE PROJECTIONS. SO THE FACTORS RIGHT NOW WE TALKED ABOUT IS THE DEBT RATE. SO THE DEBT RATE GOING IN FISCAL YEAR 22 TAX YEAR 21 IS 0.1885 PER 100 DOLLAR VALUE. SO THAT WAS THAT IS IN ESSENCE OUR OUR POINT IN OUR PROJECTIONS WAS WHAT CAN WE DO IN REGARDS TO DEBT CAPACITY? WHAT CAN WE ISSUE OVER TIME FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS WITHOUT INCREASING THAT, THAT DEBT RATE? AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE OTHER FACTOR THAT'S INVOLVED IS YOUR PROPERTY TAX VALUES. SO PROPERTY TAX VALUES, WE USE AGAIN A CONSERVATIVE ASSUMPTION YOU HAVE A THREE PERCENT GROWTH AND TWO PERCENT OF NEW CONSTRUCTION. THAT'S IN ESSENCE WHAT WE'RE BASING ON FOR AN $88 MILLION DEBT PROGRAM. WE GET A HIGHER RATE OF GROWTH THAN NOW. YOU'VE INCREASED YOUR DEBT CAPACITY. BUT RIGHT NOW, OUR FOCUS AND THOSE TWO FACTORS IS WHAT'S GENERATING, AND WE'RE PROJECTING AN $88 MILLION BOND PROGRAM OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. AND AGAIN, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, DEBT CAPACITY IS ADDED BASED ON THE REDUCTION OF THE OLD DEBT AND INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAX VALUES. THOSE ARE THE TWO COMPONENTS THAT YOU KIND OF YOU LOOK AT AS WELL. EIGHTY EIGHT MILLION IS THE MAXIMUM DEBT CAPACITY WITHOUT HAVING TO TOUCH OUR TAX RATE BASED UPON THOSE TWO FACTORS. YES. OK, SO IF WE MAX OUT AT THIS, WE THIS, LET'S SAY, THE WHOLE $88 MILLION PASSES, WE HAVE NO MORE WITHOUT ADJUSTING THE TAX RATE, WE HAVE NO MORE DEBT CAPACITY IN THE EVENT THAT SOMETHING HAPPENS. YOU IN ESSENCE, AT THAT POINT, YOU TEND TO RE-VALUATE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO ISSUE IN REGARDS TO THOSE PRIORITIES. [03:35:01] SO I WOULD JUST ADD TO THAT. SO RIGHT NOW, THE COUNCIL PASSED BUDGET IN A FIVE YEAR CIP THAT USE THAT SAME CAPACITY. ALL OF THAT 88 MILLION WAS PROGRAMED INTO THE FIVE YEAR CIP THAT SHE HAD APPROVED IN SEPTEMBER. AND SO IF THERE WAS SOMETHING UNFORESEEN THAT CAME UP OR A DIFFERENT PROPERTY THAT SHE FELT LIKE HE WANTED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, YOU SIMPLY CHANGE THE TIMING OF WHEN THE BONDS WERE PLANNED. SO ALL 88 MILLION IS NOT ISSUED AT ONE TIME. WE ISSUED IT EACH YEAR IN A SERIES OF BONDS. AS THOSE PROJECTS COME UP. EACH YEAR, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION. DO YOU WANT TO ISSUE THAT TRANCHE OF BONDS OR NOT? IS THE ECONOMY THE WAY YOU THOUGHT IT WAS? IS THE PROJECT AMOUNT THE WAY YOU THOUGHT IT WAS? IS ANYTHING CHANGED? ARE WE READY TO ISSUE THESE BONDS OR NOT? IF THERE WAS SOME SOMETHING UNFORESEEN A CALAMITY OR SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED, THEN YOU JUST DON'T ISSUE THE BONDS YOU MAY ISSUE. YOU MAY DELAY THEM ONE OR TWO OR THREE YEARS UNTIL YOU ISSUE IT FOR THAT PROJECT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT READY FOR WHATEVER REASON IT MIGHT BE. SO YOU HAVE THAT SAME FLEXIBILITY WITH COS RIGHT NOW IS YOU ISSUE ON EACH YEAR AND YOU MAKE THAT DECISION WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO ISSUE THEM. THIS IS JUST SAYING THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THE PUBLIC. AND COMMITTING OURSELVES TO THE 88 MILLION THROUGH THE BOND ELECTION. THEN LIKE, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO NOT ISSUE THE BONDS FOR PAPER SAKE, WE ARE MAXED OUT AT DEBT CAPACITY BY APPROVAL OF THE VOTERS. THEY SAID THIS IS AS MUCH AS WE WANT YOU TO GO OUT FOR AND THEN HITTING CREEK BRIDGE, SOMETHING HAPPENS AT COLLAPSE AND WE HAVE TO ISSUE DEBT TO FIX IT. RIGHT. THEN, YOU WOULD HAVE TO MOVE A PROJECT OUT ONE OR TWO YEARS TO MAKE THAT GIVE YOU THE CAPACITY TO DO THAT, RIGHT? WHICH I WOULD SAY IS SIMILAR TO ANY OTHER FINANCIAL PLAN THAT WE HAVE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE GENERAL FUND FINANCIAL PLAN OR THE 4A OR 4B. WE HAVE FIVE YEAR PROJECTIONS FOR ALL OF THOSE. AND YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU GET BEYOND TWO, THREE YEARS, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO PREDICT WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY HOW THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO WORK. BUT YOU PROGRAMED ALL THE USE OF THE FUNDS THAT ARE THERE AND THOSE FINANCIAL PLANS AND THEN YOU ADAPT EVERY YEAR AS YOU GET CLOSER TO THOSE DATES. SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING. HOPEFULLY THAT MAKES SENSE. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN. I THINK AS WELL IS. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. I WANT TO ASK YOU THIS. YEAH. IN THE SCHOOL BUSINESS, WE THAT'S ON A BOND. IT WAS THE RULE OF 50. IF YOU HAD 50 PERCENT OF YOUR DEBT COULDN'T GO OVER. ONCE YOU GOT 50 PERCENT OF YOUR DEBT ON BOND, YOU COULDN'T ISSUE ANYMORE BONDS OR GO OUT FOR ELECTION. IS THERE ANYTHING LIKE THAT THROUGH THE CITY? IS THERE A RULE THAT ABSOLUTELY SAYS, NO, YOU CAN'T GO ANY HIGHER? THERE IS A MAXIMUM. BY LAW THERE IS A MAXIMUM TAX RATE THAT YOU HAVE FOR DEBT SERVICE. I DON'T REMEMBER. I WANT TO SAY IT'S A DOLLAR FIFTY. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I'VE LOOKED AT IT. OR I THINK IT'S LIKE TWO DOLLAS. IT'S EXTRAORDINARILY HIGH. NONE OF US WOULD SURVIVE TAKING THE DEBT RATE TO THAT AMOUNT, BUT IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT THE SAME AS A SCHOOL BUSINESS. YOU COULD ISSUE ALL OF THIS AT ONE TIME IF YOU HAD THE INCLINATION TO DO IT. SURE. WELL, EVEN THERE, I MEAN, AS IT WENT DOWN, YOU COULD START CONSIDERING MORE BONDS. AS IT WENT DOWN, YOU GOT ANOTHER [INAUDIBLE]. I ASSUME THERE WAS SOME KIND OF RULE ON US, TOO. YEAH. MARTIN, WE'LL SHOW YOU IN A SLIDER TO YOU HOW THE CAPACITY LOOKS FOR THE CITY WITH THESE PROJECTIONS, AND YOU WILL HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR ANOTHER BOND PACKAGE IN TWENTY EIGHT OR TWENTY NINE. IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT AND ACTUALLY BE A MUCH LARGER AMOUNT TOO, MUCH LARGER THAN THE 88 MILLION. MARTIN, IF I CAN JUST REAL QUICK, I KNOW YOU'RE ALWAYS SUPER CONSERVATIVE AND I'M NOT ASKING FOR EXACT NUMBERS, BUT OUR YOU HAVE OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD JUST TO BALLPARK OF WHAT OUR CURRENT ASSUMPTION AND GROWTH ARE. I KNOW THEY'RE MUCH HIGHER THAN THIS. NO, WE DON'T. WE DON'T. I MEAN, GOING FORWARD, IT'S HARD TO TELL BECAUSE THE WAY THE PANDEMIC IS IMPACTING, YEAH, THERE'S YOU KNOW, IN REGARDS TO THE MARKET AND THE SALES, THE VALUES ARE GOING UP. BUT IT IS HARD TO SAY AND YOU KNOW, I COULD SAY FIVE PERCENT COULD BE SEVEN PERCENT AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S THREE PERCENT. AND SO IT'S HARD TO BE ABLE TO TRY TO PROJECT AND BUDGET BASED UPON A HIGHER VALUE. AND THEN YOU'RE ACCOUNTING FOR ALL THAT. IT'S FOR ME, IT'S DIFFICULT TO DO THAT. SO SO IT'S SAFE TO SAY, THOUGH THESE NUMBERS ARE ARE EASILY OBTAINED, THAT WE SHOULD EASILY MAKE THESE NUMBERS AND. YEAH. YEAH. WE'VE EXCEEDED BOTH OF THESE NUMBERS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS FOR, THREE AND THE TWO PERCENT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. IF YOU LOOK WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING IN THE PROPERTY MARKET THIS PAST YEAR, THE APPRAISALS FOR HOMES [INAUDIBLE] ALL PROPERTIES AS OF JANUARY ONE THIS PAST YEAR, WE'VE SEEN MUCH HIGHER GROWTH THAN THREE PERCENT. SO I WOULD EXPECT TO SEE A HIGHER NUMBER THAN THAT. [03:40:02] BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE [INAUDIBLE]. WE WON'T GET THE PRELIMINARY PRAISE VALUES UNTIL I BELIEVE IT'S APRIL. IS THAT RIGHT? ONE APRIL OR MAY? THAT IS CORRECT. THANK YOU. NOW IN OUR FIVE YEAR PROJECTIONS, AND AGAIN, IT IS A CONSERVATIVE MODEL, AND WHAT WE DO IS WE ARE PROJECTING AN $88 MILLION. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH BASED UPON AGAIN, THAT 0.1885 HUNDRED DOLLAR VALUE AND THREE PERCENT GROWTH OF BASE AND TWO PERCENT OF NEW CONSTRUCTION. THOSE PERCENTAGES GO UP. THEN AGAIN, YOUR CAPACITY GOES UP. SO IN ESSENCE, THAT'S THE WHOLE BASIS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS PROJECTIONS WOULD BE LOOKED AT EVERY YEAR GOING FORWARD. I MEAN, WE LOOK AT THAT, WE LOOK AT THE CHANGE AND THAT ALLOWS US TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT. THE 88 MILLION IS IS A BOND PACKAGE TO ISSUE GOS. AGAIN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT COS AS WELL. IF YOU KNOW, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND THERE'S A MAJOR ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE OR A FACTOR. WE DON'T ISSUE THOSE BONDS. IT IS JUST THIS IS THE LEVEL, THE LEVEL THAT WE'RE BEING AUTHORIZED TO ISSUE. AND SO IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY TO ISSUE $88 MILLION. AND SO THAT'S THOSE ARE THE FACTORS AS WELL THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE LOOKING AT OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. OK. BUT. IN A SENSE, WHAT I WAS ASKING EARLIER IN THE DAY, WE WILL HAVE A PROPERTY TAX INCREASE BECAUSE OF THIS BOND. YOU'RE SAYING FIVE TO SIX YEARS, I MEAN, AS YOU SAID, A RANDOM NUMBER YOU PICKED TO KIND OF COVER YOURSELF OR. WELL, THE FIVE TO SIX YEARS IS BASED UPON THE CIP PLAN THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT. WE LOOK AT IT FIVE YEAR CIP PLAN. SO IN ESSENCE, INSTEAD OF ISSUING COS EACH YEAR, THE TOTAL BECOMES THAT WHOLE FIVE YEAR CIP PLAN, INCLUDING THE PUBLIC SAFETY AS WELL AND THE STREETS. SO THE REASON WHY IN REGARDS YOU SHOWED THAT ORIGINAL PROJECTIONS THAT WE HAD OR SUMMARY, WE HAD SIXTY FOUR MILLION DOLLARS IN STREETS AND THEN PUBLIC SAFETY HAD ITS AMOUNT AND FIRE HAD ITS AMOUNT POLICE. WELL NOW BE BASED UPON THE CHANGES OF THE COST. WELL, THE POLICE WENT UP, FIRE WENT UP AND THEN SO THE STREET PROJECT GOES DOWN. WE STILL STAYED WITHIN THAT $88 MILLION. PROJECTION, BECAUSE THAT'S IN ESSENCE WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO ISSUE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, WHICH IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO FUND THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME. SO IT'S NOT INCREASING THOUGH, RIGHT, AS LONG AS WE ROLL IT OUT, JUST SO BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH CAPACITY EACH TIME, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE TO EVEN THOUGH WE MIGHT BE READY TO GO WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THERE'S NOT THE CAPACITY TO DO THAT WITHOUT RAISING OUR TAX RATE UNTIL SUCH AND SUCH A YEAR. IF YOU TRY TO ISSUE ALL $88 MILLION NEXT YEAR. YOU WOULD HAVE A TAX RATE INCREASE. THAT'S RIGHT. SO IT'S A CALCULATION LOOKING AT HOW MUCH DEBTS BEING PAID DOWN, THE GROWTH AND THE VALUES AND HOW MUCH YOU CAN FIT IN KEEPING THAT RATE THE SAME. THAT'S KIND OF HOW THAT LOOKS. SO OUR STRONG SUIT RIGHT NOW IS OUR ACTUAL GROWTH OF THE TOWN. OUR VALUES ARE OUR ROOFS, ALL THIS OTHER STUFF. YES, DEFINITELY. THAT'S DEFINITELY A FACTOR. THE OTHER THING IS A RAPID AMORTIZATION OF THE CURRENT DEBT. SO YOU HAVE A STRONG PAY DOWN OF THE CURRENT DEBT, AND EVERY YEAR THERE'S A LOT OF DEBT THAT'S RETIRED. AND SO I THINK LAST YEAR IN TOTAL, IT WAS 12 OR 13 MILLION DOLLARS THAT WAS RETIRED. SO EVERY YEAR THERE'S A PIECE OF THAT, THAT GETS RETIRED AND SO YOU CAN REPLACE IT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL SHOW YOU HERE SHORTLY. SORRY, MARTIN. KEEPS DIPPING ON MARTIN'S TOES HERE. WHAT'S THAT? WE KEEP STEPPING ON YOUR TOES. NO, THIS IS A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC. ONE OF THE THINGS TOO IS WHY DEBT, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH THE WITH THE BOND ADVISORY COMMITTEE. CAPITAL PROJECTS ARE COSTLY. THEY'RE IN THE MILLIONS. EVEN THE DESIGNS ARE IN THE MILLIONS. AND SO IT IS A VERY COSTLY PROCESS. THE TAX RATE IS BROKEN DOWN BETWEEN THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS AND THEN THE DEBT. SO THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION PART OF IT IS TO FUND OPERATIONS FOR THE MOST PART, AND THE DEBT IS TO BE ABLE TO FIND TO FUND THE THE CAPITAL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH INCLUDES THE DESIGN AS WELL. IT'S ALL ABOUT WHAT IS IMPORTANT IN REGARDS TO WHAT THE CITY WANTS TO DO AND HOW DO YOU BALANCE BETWEEN WHAT IS YOUR [INAUDIBLE] VERSUS YOUR DEBT RATE? SO IN THAT POINT, THERE IS NO CAPACITY FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS RATE TO CASH FUND CITY CAPITAL. THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF THE [INAUDIBLE] RATE, BUT SOMETIMES YOU DO COME UP. YOUR ASSUMPTIONS COME UP A LITTLE HIGHER THAN WHAT YOU THOUGHT IN REVENUES. [03:45:01] AND SO YOU HAVE THAT ABILITY TO TO FUND, BUT SOMETIMES MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE IN THE MILLIONS. SO THAT'S THE WHOLE BALANCE BETWEEN THE TWO. AND IN 2020, SENATE BILL TWO WAS PASSED, WHICH KIND OF LIMITED THE HOW MUCH PROPERTY TAX RATES YOU CAN GROW BASED UPON THAT GROWTH? I MEAN, AT ONE POINT WE USED TO BE ABLE TO DO EIGHT PERCENT BEFORE YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO TO THE VOTERS TO TO APPROVE THAT. NOW IT'S BEEN DOWN TO 3.5 PERCENT. AND SO THAT WAS A BIG, BIG CHANGE IN THAT, YOU KNOW, ALMOST ABOUT A FIFTY SIX PERCENT DECREASE IN REGARDS TO WHAT CITIES ARE ABLE TO DO TO BE ABLE TO INCREASE THAT RATE WITHOUT GOING BACK TO THE VOTERS. AGAIN, YOU CANNOT ISSUE DEBT FOR OPERATING COSTS. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S A BIG THING. CAPITAL PROJECTS USED FOR LIFE, IT'S ABOUT 20 50 YEARS COULD BE LONGER THAN THAT. AND AGAIN, RIGHT NOW, THE STRATEGY IS FOR ISSUING DEBT FOR 20 YEAR PERIOD. IT COULD BE TWENTY FIVE. IT COULD BE 15. IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE INTEREST RATES. IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE CASH FLOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO. IT ALSO DEPENDS ON WHAT IT DOES TO YOUR DEBT CAPACITY AS WELL. BUT THE OTHER THING TOO IS IS WHAT ARE THE FACTORS? IS IT BECAUSE YOUR CAPITAL PROJECT INFRASTRUCTURE GOES 20 TO 50 YEARS? YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF ALLOW AS CITIZENS MOVE IN AND MOVE OUT THAT GENERATIONAL IMPACT THAT THEY ARE ALSO PAYING FOR THAT INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. SO THAT IS ANOTHER STRATEGY THAT CAN BE USED AS TO WHY YOU'RE DOING THIS GOING FORWARD. AND AGAIN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, THIS SLIDE [INAUDIBLE] AS OF TWENTY TWENTY ONE, WE DO HAVE ABOUT FIFTY NINE MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF TAX SUPPORTED DEBT. THAT'S RIGHT NOW WHERE WE'RE AT. AND WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON. I MEAN, THERE'S OTHER DEBT. THERE'S THERE'S TAX REPORTED AND THERE'S SELF SUPPORTED. SO THE WHOLE BASIS OF THIS BOND PROGRAM IS REALLY TIED TO THE TAX SUPPORTED DEBT, WHICH IS IN ESSENCE, THE DEBT RATE OF THE OF THE TOTAL TAX RATE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. ALL BONDS MUST BE USED FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS AND CANNOT BE USED FOR OPERATIONS. SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY, AS WE TALK ABOUT A BOND PROGRAM, AS WE TALK ABOUT ISSUING BONDS, IT IS ISSUING BONDS FOR A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS. KIND OF GIVES YOU A HISTORY HERE IN REGARDS TO WHAT WE HAVE IS OUTSTANDING DEBT. AND AGAIN, IT GOES DOWN TO ABOUT ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY TWO. IN REGARDS TO PRINCIPAL DEBT THERE. ONE OF THE THINGS, TOO, IS AS YOU COMPARE WITH OTHER CITIES, EVERY CITY IS DIFFERENT. YOU BURLESON IS, YOU KNOW, NOT, THERE'S NO OTHER CITIES LIKE BURLESON, NO OTHER CITIES LIKE MANSFIELD, AND YOU'VE GOT CITIES THAT ARE DIFFERENT SIZES. YOU'VE GOT CITIES THAT THAT ARE A DIFFERENT PHASES OF THEIR GROWTH AS WELL. BUT WHAT YOU DO IS YOU KIND OF LOOK AT WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT POPULATION, LOOK AT DEBT RATE. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE CITY IS USING TWENTY SEVEN PERCENT OF ITS TOTAL TAX RATE ON DEBT. THAT'S THAT'S ALL OF THIS SLIDE IS SAYING. AND AGAIN, IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE. BUT THAT'S IN ESSENCE YOU HAVE YOUR TOTAL TAX RATE. YOUR TOTAL TAX RATE IS BASED UPON YOUR [INAUDIBLE] RATE AND YOUR DEBT RATE. AND SO HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT TOTAL TAX RATE IS USED FOR OPERATIONS? HOW MUCH OF THAT IS USED FOR FOR CAPITAL? AND SO THAT'S IN ESSENCE WHAT THIS IS SAYING IS RIGHT NOW BURLESON COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES. TWENTY SEVEN PERCENT OF THAT IS GOING TOWARDS THE DEBT SIDE. THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT TAX SUPPORTED DEBT PER CAPITA, AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AGAIN, WE'RE COMPETING WITH OTHER CITIES. OTHER CITIES ARE DIFFERENT, BUT WHEN YOU KIND OF TRY TO TO SMOOTH IT OUT BASED UPON CAPITAL OR BASED UPON POPULATION, BURLESON TAX SUPPORTED DEBT PER CAPITA IS ABOUT ONE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND TWENTY SIX DOLLARS. THAT'S ALL THIS INFORMATION IS SAYING. WE'RE COMPETING WITH OTHER CITIES. THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT AS IT RELATES TO A POPULATION. I AM PROUD IN REGARDS TO WHAT WE DID IN 22 WHEN WE REDUCED THE RATE. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO IS CAN WE GET BELOW POINT SEVEN CENTS OF THE TAX RATE? AND AGAIN, WE WERE ABLE TO COME BELOW THAT. BUT AGAIN, WE WERE ABLE TO REDUCE BOTH THE THE DEBT RATE AND THE [INAUDIBLE] RATE AT THAT POINT. NOW AT THIS PARTICULAR CASE, AS WE TOOK THAT 0.1885 OVER ONE HUNDRED DOLLAR VALUE, AND THAT WAS THE BASIS OF HOW MUCH DEBT CAPACITY WILL WE HAVE. KEEPING A CONSTANT TAX RATE WITH A THREE PERCENT AND, YOU KNOW, GROWTH AND A TWO PERCENT NEW VALUE, AGAIN, I THINK THE THREE PERCENT, THE TWO PERCENT AS IT RELATES TO GROWTH IS [03:50:01] CONSERVATIVE, BUT I THINK THAT WE'LL, YOU KNOW, IT'S TO ME, IT'S LIKELY THAT WE'RE GOING TO MEET THAT, BUT IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE MORE AND IT'S HARD TO TO SAY, OK, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'RE GOING TO DO TWENTY FIVE PERCENT AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH OUR DEBT CAPACITY BASED UPON THAT IS DIFFICULT TO MEASURE THAT. SO IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW THAT WHERE YOU AT CURRENTLY AND WHERE WE'RE GOING, YOU CAN MEET THAT. SO THAT'S THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU ALWAYS WANT TO HAVE A CONSERVATIVE APPROACH IN YOUR IN YOUR PROJECTIONS AS WELL. THIS IS KIND OF A COMPARISON BETWEEN WHERE WE'RE AT WITH OTHER CITIES AND AGAIN, EVERY CITY IS DIFFERENT. I THINK THE CITY BURLESON WITH THE RATE THERE IS CURRENTLY IS ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO MEET THE RESPONSIBILITIES IN OUR COMMITMENTS. IT IS SET ON 0.1885 TO ALLOW US TO BE ABLE TO FUND OUR DEBT SERVICE FUND, OUR CIP PLAN. AND SO THAT'S IN ESSENCE WHAT WE HAVE IN REGARDS TO THAT. SO HERE'S HERE'S THE GRAPH THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. SO THE THE INFORMATION IN THE BOTTOM, THE BURGUNDY, WHICH IS THE BURLESON COLOR. IT TALKS ABOUT HOW THE DEBT IS. THIS IS OLD DEBT. THAT'S HOW WE'RE PAYING THAT DEBT. THAT'S THAT DEBT SERVICE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY HAVING AND HOW IT'S GOING DOWN. SO OVER TIME, WE CURRENTLY, FOR EXAMPLE, IN 2022, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND 6.8 BILLION DOLLARS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PAYING IN OUR DEBT SERVICE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST FOR THAT YEAR. OK. AND THEN YOU KEEP GOING DOWN DOWN. BUT EVENTUALLY IT STARTS GOING TO ZERO AFTER THE REMAINING 40 YEARS BECAUSE DEBT IS ISSUED OVER A 20 YEAR PERIOD. AND SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO, AS ONE ONE ISSUE GETS PRETTY MUCH PAID OUT. THE IDEA IS YOU BRING ANOTHER ISSUE IN AND ALLOW YOU TO MAINTAIN THAT TOTAL RATE FOR THE TAX RATE. THE DEBT RATE, IF YOU DON'T ISSUE DEBT GOING FORWARD, THEN EVENTUALLY YOUR DEBT RATE WOULD HAVE TO GO DOWN BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT. YOU DON'T NEED THAT MUCH TO COVER THAT, BUT THAT MEANS THAT YOU'RE NOT NO LONGER COMMITTING YOURSELF TO ANY CAPITAL PROJECT PROGRAMS FROM THAT POINT. SO WE CANNOT TAKE ON NEW DEBT UNTIL 2029 BASED UPON WHILE YOU'RE ALREADY TAKING 88 MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF DEBT. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY NEW DEBT? THAT'S WHAT THIS SAYS. NEW DEBT OR DEBT? I'M SORRY. DEBT CAPACITY SO IT SAYS 1.9. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT STARTING IN 2029, THE AMOUNT OF REVENUES YOU'RE GOING TO BE CREATING OR GENERATING BASED UPON THAT SAME DEBT RATE IS GOING TO START INCREASING YOUR DEBT. THAT'S YOUR NEW DEBT CAPACITY. THAT [INAUDIBLE]. RIGHT. AND SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, REVENUES PROJECTIONS COME HIGHER THAN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GET THAT GAP SOONER IN THE YEARS, IT ALLOWS THE ABILITY TO DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. YOU COULD EITHER AT THAT POINT DECIDE TO REDUCE THE RATE OR YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO ISSUE SOME COS AS WELL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO THIS? NOPE. ANYBODY? OKAY. TIMING THE PROPOSED 88 MILLION BONDS WILL NOT BE ISSUED AT ONCE. THAT'S THE FIRST THING I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TALK ABOUT. AND AGAIN, THE DEBT CAPACITY CANNOT WITHSTAND ONE ISSUING ALL 88 MILLION ALL AT ONCE. AND AGAIN, THAT WOULDN'T BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. IT IS A PLANNING MECHANISM OVER TIME THAT ALLOWS US TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF STABILIZE WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THIS GRAPH AS WELL. THAT IS HOW WE MEASURE THE REVENUES THAT ARE COMING IN, THE DEBT CAPACITY THAT WE'RE PAYING OUT, THE DEBT SERVICE THAT WE'RE PAYING OUT. AGAIN, RIGHT NOW, ESTIMATE BONDS WILL BE ISSUED AT LEAST OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, AND THE REASON WHY I SAY FIVE YEARS IS BECAUSE IT IS A FIVE YEAR CIP PLAN. THEY WERE PRESENTING. IT COULD BE BEYOND THAT, YOU KNOW, BASED UPON CERTAIN FACTORS, YOU COULD GO INTO A SIX YEAR, MAYBE A SEVEN YEAR, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'RE AT IN REGARDS TO THE DECISIONS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE. ONE ISSUE PLANNING CAN SHIFT, AND I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT VENUES IS IT IS BASED UPON PRIORITIES. WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE PROVIDED A RECOMMENDATION, BUT THINGS CAN CHANGE. AND IF THOSE THINGS CHANGE, THEN YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE DECISIONS IN REGARDS TO WHAT THAT 88 MILLION DOLLARS IS GOING TO BUY. YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS NOW OF WHAT THOSE PROJECTS ARE. [03:55:03] THOSE PROJECTS MAY NOT BE THE ONES THAT YOU FUND DURING THAT TIME BASED UPON PRIORITIES THAT ARE COMING INTO PLAY AND DECISIONS THAT ARE BEING MADE. AND AGAIN, ALSO ADJUST FOR ESCALATION OF COST IF INFLATIONARY COSTS GO UP HIGHER THAN WE ANTICIPATED. THEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS IN REGARDS TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO ALLOCATE THOSE PROJECTS DURING THAT TIME AGAIN, WITHIN THAT 88 MILLION DOLLAR PROJECTION THAT WE HAVE IN REGARDS TO CAPACITY. IF UNFORESEEN EVENTS ARISE, COUNCIL IS NOT OBLIGATED TO ISSUE DEBT FOR THESE PROJECTS. THAT IS, THE 88 MILLION IS YOU'RE AUTHORIZED TO ISSUE THAT. IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN. YOU HAVE TO ISSUE THEM. YOU JUST HAVE THAT ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. THAT'S THE FIRST STEP. THE NEXT STEP IS TO BE ABLE TO AUTHORIZE THE ISSUANCE OF THOSE BONDS. AND AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT NEW GO ELECTIONS COULD BE PURSUED. COS COULD BE ISSUED AT COUNCIL DIRECTION BASED UPON WHERE WE'RE STANDING WITH OUR REVENUES AND OUR PROJECTIONS AND OUR DEBT RATE. WE WILL ALWAYS BE. EACH YEAR, WE'LL GO AND REEVALUATE WHERE WE'RE AT AND THE POSITION THAT WE'RE IN GOING FORWARD. THIS IS KIND OF A BREAKOUT RIGHT NOW THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO ISSUE OUR DEBT WITHIN THE $88 MILLION. AGAIN, THIS IS ONLY EIGHTY SIX BECAUSE THIS IS IN ESSENCE WHAT THE BOND PROGRAM IS GOING TO BE ISSUED BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE RECOMMENDATION IS THE TWO MILLION CAD IS TO BE ISSUED UNDER A SEAL. AND AGAIN, CURRENTLY WE DON'T HAVE ANY ANY DEBT ISSUED FOR 2022 AND THEN WE GO FORWARD. SO THE IDEA IS IF THIS IS, WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND IT IS APPROVED AND MAY 7TH, THEN WE HAVE THE ABILITY AT THAT POINT, YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH COMING TO THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. WE COULD ALWAYS ISSUE A REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION AND START PREPARING FOR A BOND ISSUE IN 2023. AND SO AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE DEPARTMENT TO SEE WHERE WE WERE GOING TO FUND THIS. AND SO THIS IS THE END RESULT AND OUR BOND CAPACITY IS BASED UPON ISSUING DURING THESE YEARS GOING FORWARD. AND SO THAT'S WHERE OUR THAT'S WHERE THIS GRAPH IS COMING FROM BASED UPON ISSUING AT THIS POINT. NOW, MARTIN, ALL THESE CAN BE MOVED TIME WISE, LIKE I'M LOOKING AT THE HULEN WILSHIRE INTERSECTION TXDOT NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT THING DONE IN TIME AND I WOULD HATE TO. I WOULD HATE TO HAVE TO REDO THE PROJECT WHEN THEY COME IN AND TEAR IT ALL UP SO THAT CAN BE MOVED, CERTAINLY DOWN THE ROAD. OK. WE CAN'T NECESSARILY MOVE UP JUST DEPENDING. ONLY DEPEND ON THE DEBT CAPACITY. NOT EVERYTHING. WE PROBABLY MOVE THINGS BACK, BUT WE MAY HAVE TO. AS FAR AS MOVING THINGS UP, IT ONLY DEPENDS IF WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO IT OR NOT. [INAUDIBLE] THE TAX RATE. YEAH. NO, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT IF THE ONE SEVENTY FOUR GETS DONE, THAT'S WHEN WE NEED TO HEAL IN WILSHIRE, NOT BEFORE. SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERENCING. YEAH, AND I WOULD JUST SAY, I THINK MARTIN COVERED THIS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE POLICE EXPANSION, WE'RE SHOWING NO COST IN TWENTY THREE, BUT WE'D LIKELY RECOMMEND SOME TYPE OF REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION SO WE COULD START THE DESIGN ON THAT. AGAIN, I THINK THAT'LL PROBABLY TAKE ABOUT A YEAR TO FINALIZE ALL OF THAT WORK AND COME BACK WITH THE VARIOUS OPTIONS AND COUNCIL WILL BE VERY INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS. BUT THERE'LL BE OTHER WORK TAKING PLACE. AND I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON, TO YOUR POINT, IF WE HAD TO MOVE, SOME THINGS MADE ME MOVE BACK. IT'LL BE DYNAMIC. AND ONCE WE START THIS EVERY YEAR, THERE'LL BE SOME MOVEMENT LIKELY ON EACH OF THESE FOR VARIOUS REASONS. AND ONE IMPORTANT NOTE HERE AGAIN, IS THIS THIS BOND PROGRAM AND WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY IN THIS TABLE IS ALL PROJECTED TO. WITH NO TAX INCREASE, NO DEBT RATE INCREASE. SO THAT 0.1885 OVER A HUNDRED DOLLAR VALUE IS THE RATE THAT WE'RE USING THROUGHOUT THIS TIME PERIOD. AND IF NECESSARY, AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT BOND INSURANCE PLANS THAT CAN BE MODIFIED BY COUNCIL BASED UPON ECONOMIC AND OTHER FACTORS. AND AS WE LOOK AT THIS, STAFF WILL COME BACK AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS IF THOSE FACTORS COME INTO PLAY. PROPOSITIONS. THIS WAS ALSO DISCUSSED IN [INAUDIBLE] PRESENTATION. PROPOSED PAWN PACKAGES CANNOT BE INCLUDED IN ONE PROPOSITION. THE ONLY WAY IT COULD BE ONE PROPOSITION IF YOU ONLY HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, STREETS, THEN IT'S ONE PROPOSITION. BUT WHEN YOU START CATEGORIZING IN DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, WHEN YOU START PUTTING TOGETHER A BOND PACKAGE FOR STREETS AND PUBLIC SAFETY, NOW YOU CANNOT PUT STREETS AND PUBLIC SAFETY UNDER ONE PROPOSITION. [04:00:01] [INAUDIBLE] WORK CLOSELY WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE BOND COUNCIL. AND ONE OF THE THINGS TOO IS THE PROPOSITION IS NEED TO BE SEPARATED, AT LEAST BASED ON SIMILAR CATEGORIES. SO RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A TWO CATEGORIES. WE HAVE THE STREETS, TRANSPORTATION. THE REASON WHY RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TRANSPORTATION, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT LIGHTING SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE IN THERE CURRENTLY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TOO IS WE TALKED ABOUT IMPROVEMENTS, WE TALKED ABOUT DESIGN. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS HERE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IS BEING ABLE TO SHOW THAT IT'S A DESIGN, IT IS CONSTRUCTION, IT IS IMPROVEMENTS. THOSE ARE ALL THE FACTORS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THIS BOND PROGRAM. SOMETIMES SOME OF THEM ARE DESIGNED, ONLY SOME ARE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION, SOME ARE IMPROVEMENTS. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THERE. AND THEN PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES, WE TALK ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES, BUT WE NEVER REALLY MENTIONED THE EQUIPMENT AND THE FURNISHINGS IN THERE. SO ALL OF THAT IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE INCLUDING THAT IN THERE AS WELL. [INAUDIBLE] PRESENTED IN SIMILAR CATEGORIES. AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT COST OVERRUNS. COST OVERRUNS IN ONE PROJECT CAN BE MOVED TO THE NEXT PROJECT, BUT ONE, YOU KNOW, COST OVERRUN SAVINGS AND ONE PROPOSITION CAN NOW BE USED IN ANOTHER PROPOSITION. AND SO THAT IS WHY IT IS IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO MENTION THAT. BOND LANGUAGE MUST BE APPROVED BY BOND COUNCIL AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE. CURRENTLY, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE GOT FROM WORKING WITH BOND COUNCIL. AND AGAIN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT FIRST BULLET POINT, THAT BULLET POINT IS ON THE BALLOT. IT'D BE VERY CONFUSING IN REGARDS TO THAT, BUT IT INCLUDES A LOT OF INFORMATION AND IT TALKS ABOUT, IT TALKS ABOUT DESIGN, TALK ABOUT BRIDGES, TALKS ABOUT STREETS. IT IS ALL INCLUSIVE AS TO WHAT IN ESSENCE IS CONSIDERED A STREET PROJECT. AND SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT 33.6 MILLION DOLLARS. THIS IS WHAT IN ESSENCE WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCE OF THAT. WHEN WE CALL THE ELECTION, THAT WILL BE THE ORDINANCE THAT WILL BE IN THERE, FOR EXAMPLE, NOW WE CAN TWEAK IT HERE AND THERE. BUT THAT'S IN ESSENCE WHAT WE'RE GETTING FROM BOND COUNCIL AS AS THE LANGUAGE FOR THE PROPOSITION AND THE ORDINANCE ITSELF. NOW ON THE ON THE ELECTION BALLOT LANGUAGE, ONE EXAMPLE AGAIN, WE COULD ALWAYS CHANGE. THIS IS AGAIN, PROPOSITION A IS A BEFORE AND AGAINST THE ISSUANCE OF 33.6 MILLION TAX BOND FOR STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION, DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION AND IMPROVEMENTS. THAT'S ONE WAY OF SHOWING HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE PRESENTED IN THE BALLOT. SAME THING GOES WITH THE PUBLIC SAFETY. IT TALKS ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY. AND AGAIN, THE ISSUANCE OF THE PROPOSITION AND THE BALLOT IS TO ISSUE 52 MILLION TAX BONDS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES AND RELATED EQUIPMENT AND FURNISHINGS. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. IT IS IT IS PRELIMINARY. IT IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE, BUT THAT'S IN ESSENCE WHAT WE WOULD CURRENTLY HAVE AS WHAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE BALLOT AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE ORDINANCE. AND AGAIN, NEXT STEPS WE TALKED ABOUT. WHAT ARE THOSE TIMELINES? AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, CITY COUNCIL MUST ADOPT AN ORDINANCE CALLING FOR BOND ELECTIONS NOT MORE THAN 90 DAYS OR LESS THAN SEVENTY EIGHT DAYS PRIOR TO PROPOSED ELECTION DATES. I LOVE THAT WORDING. THAT IS A LEGAL, YOU KNOW, SENTENCE. I REALLY LIKED IT. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS TO TO BE ABLE TO DO IT MAY 7TH BOND ELECTION. YOU HAVE THE EARLIEST YOU CAN CALL IT IS FEBRUARY 7TH, AND I USED EXCEL TO CALCULATE THIS FEBRUARY 7TH AND THEN THE LATEST IS FEBRUARY 18TH. SO IT KIND OF FALLS ON OUR FIRST MEETING AND OUR SECOND MEETING, OR IT COULD HAPPEN ANY TIME IN BETWEEN. SO THAT'S THAT'S IN ESSENCE WHAT THAT TIMEFRAME IS FOR COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE AND CALL THE ELECTION. AND THAT'S ALL I HAD. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? WHEN WE GET CLOSER TO THIS, YOU'RE GOING TO [INAUDIBLE] THE COUNCIL ON WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO DURING THE ELECTION TIME. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE RECOMMENDING IS WE'RE GOING TO BRING BOND COUNCIL FOR THAT PRESENTATION TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME, SOME SOME DETAILS AS TO WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO AFTER THAT. SO YES, THERE WILL BE THERE WILL BE A PRESENTATION FOR THAT. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS, GUYS? OH, WELL, THE THING THAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT BEING DOING THIS SO QUICKLY, IF WE FAIL THAT ELECTION, AS FAR AS THE STREETS ARE CONCERNED, WE CAN DO NOTHING FOR THREE YEARS. IS THAT CORRECT? [04:05:03] YOU'D HAVE TO COME. YOU CANNOT DO THOSE PROJECTS THAT WERE IN THE PROPOSITION WITH COS, BUT YOU COULD COME BACK WITH ANOTHER ELECTION, BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE A FAILED ELECTION AND THEN JUST MOVE ON FORWARD AND HAVE A CO AND JUST DO IT. THAT'S CORRECT. [INAUDIBLE] ISSUE DEBT FOR THEM FOR THREE YEARS. YOU COULD HAVE ANOTHER BOND ELECTION. YOU COULD CHANGE UP TO ELECTION, CHANGE UP THE PROJECTS AND GO BACK TO THE VOTERS, BUT YOU JUST CAN'T ISSUE THE COS FOR THOSE PROJECTS FOR THREE YEARS. AND I GOT A COMMENT ABOUT THAT COMING RIGHT BACK WITH ANOTHER ELECTION THAT'S NOT REAL POPULAR. I'VE SEEN THAT DONE BEFORE, AND IT'S NOT VERY POPULAR, AND I DON'T BLAME THE GOOD PEOPLE FOR THAT. SO I'M SIMPLY SAYING, IF WE FAIL THIS DARN THING NOW, I WOULDN'T WANT TO FAIL ANY OF IT FOR THAT MATTER. BUT ESPECIALLY THE STREETS, THAT'S A BIG DEAL AND I PERSONALLY CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW. OUR IMMEDIATE ELECTION BECAUSE THEY TOLD US WE DON'T WANT IT. SO THAT SOMEWHAT CONCERNS ME. MAYBE WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT THE OTHER WAY TO DO THESE STREETS. JUST SAYING, AND I'LL MAKE THIS LAST COMMENT. BURLESON HAS NEVER PASSED ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE, EVER. THIS IS NOT JUST DOUBLE, IT'S PROBABLY TRIPLE OR QUADRUPLE. I THINK THE MOST WE'VE EVER PASSED TO $25 MILLION, SO WE'RE ASKING AN AWFUL LOT OF THEM. AND THERE ARE SOME OF US THAT THINK TIMES ARE GOING TO GET TOUGH. I REALIZE WE DON'T HAVE TO ISSUE BONDS, BUT THAT'S A MINDSET WHEN YOU GO TO VOTE. I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT. BUT THAT'S JUST MY THINKING ABOUT IT. TO ME, I DON'T REALLY SEE THAT THERE'S ANY WAY WE COULD FAIL BECAUSE WE'VE PUT THIS BEFORE THE THE CITIZENS TO FIND OUT WHAT THEIR NEEDS AND WANTS ARE. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO THE VOTERS TO FIND OUT WHAT THEIR NEEDS AND WANTS ARE. SO I DON'T SEE ANY WAY WE FAIL, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE VOTE COMES OUT, AS I SEE IT, AS FULFILLING THE WANTS AND NEEDS OF THE CITIZENS. NOW, IF IT COMES OUT THAT THE VOTE DOESN'T GO THE WAY WE WANT TO, THEN WE COULD CERTAINLY COME OUT AND WE CAN TWEAK IT. WE CAN LOOK AT IT, WE CAN DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO, I THINK, AND GET ON ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, ELECTION IF THAT COMES OUT TO BE THE CASE. BUT I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO GO TO THE CITIZENS AND FIND OUT WHAT THEY WANT INSTEAD OF US TELLING THEM WHAT THEY NEED. SO I LIKE THAT I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH ASKING THEM. I'M JUST ALL I'M DOING IS STATING WHAT CAN NEGATIVELY HAPPEN TO US? I HAVE NO PROBLEM AT ALL ASKING THEM WHAT THEY WANT. GREAT. I'M ONLY SAYING, LET'S DO WHAT THEY TELL US TO DO. IF THEY SAY WE DON'T WANT IT, WE DON'T GO BACK IN SIX MONTHS AND FREAKING ASK THEM TO DO IT AGAIN. I DON'T LIKE THAT. BUT THAT'S JUST ME. I ALSO WANT TO SAY WITH COS, THERE IS A PUBLIC INPUT PIECE. IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GOING TO JUST GET TO ISSUE DEBT. WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC MANDATORY PUBLIC HEARINGS? SO THERE IS A POSTING REQUIREMENT THAT YOU'RE REQUIRED. I BELIEVE IT'S FORTY FIVE DAYS NOW. IT'S CHANGED OVER THE YEARS. FORTY FIVE DAYS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A POSTING IN A NEWSPAPER THAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO ISSUE DEBT. YOU HAVE AN INTENT TO ISSUE THE DEBT. THE COUNCIL HAS TO PUBLICLY AUTHORIZE YOU TO PUBLISH THAT INTENT TO ISSUE THE DEBT AND YOU WAIT FORTY FIVE DAYS BEFORE YOU CAN ACTUALLY ISSUE IT. AND THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND COMMENT PERIOD DURING THAT THAT PORTION OF IT. THERE ALSO COULD BE A PETITION THAT COULD BE SUBMITTED TO PROHIBIT YOU FROM ISSUING THAT DEBT DURING THAT PERIOD. THAT'S HOW COS WORK. BUT IT'S DIFFERENT THAN GOING. YOU'RE ASKING SOMEONE TO COME IN AND COMPLAIN THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO ISSUE IT VERSUS ASKING THEM TO PROVE IT UP FRONT. SO IT'S DIFFERENT, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE STEPS OF THE PROCESS. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT JUST BLANKET GETTING TO SAY HOW WE'RE SPENDING THESE FUNDS. THERE IS OPPORTUNITY FOR [INAUDIBLE]. THERE IS, BUT AGAIN, HOW MANY I MEAN, EVEN OUR OUR ROOM RIGHT HERE WON'T EVEN HOLD A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE ENTIRE RESIDENTS OF BURLESON OR THE REGISTERED VOTERS. SO AGAIN, IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET THIS BEFORE ALL OF THE REGISTERED VOTERS INSTEAD OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT CAN TAKE TIME OUT OF THEIR BUSY SCHEDULE TO COME DOWN AND DISCUSS IT WITH US. AND THAT'S THE REASON I LIKE IT. I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERNS [INAUDIBLE]. I HAVE THEM TOO A LITTLE BIT ON THE STREETS. WE DID PASS A WHAT, $85 MILLION TRE BOND FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. YEAH. YEAH, IT WAS TWO HUNDRED FIFTY NINE MILLION TOTAL, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE PASSED AND THAT RAISED OUR TAX RATE, AND WE'RE STILL REELING FROM THAT, QUITE FRANKLY. [04:10:01] SO THAT'S A DIFFERENT BALLGAME ALTOGETHER. I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE STREETS, BUT AGAIN, I THINK FOR LACK OF EXPERIENCE ON MY END, I'M GOING TO REALLY DEFER TO YOU GUYS. THIS IS YOUR YOUR FIELD. YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME AND TRUST THAT YOU GUYS ARE LEADING US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND OF COURSE, THE BOND COMMITTEE THAT WE PUT FORTH. I KIND OF STUCK OUR NECK OUT ON ALL THIS WHEN I WANTED TO BOND COMMITTEE, BUT IF YOU LOOK BACK OF OUR LIST OF BOND PACKAGES ARE ALL COS. AND I'M NOT JUDGING ANYBODY ON THAT. I KNEW COS WERE DESIGNED FOR EMERGENCY SITUATIONS. I DON'T FEEL LIKE EVERYTHING WAS AN EMERGENCY, AND I FELT LIKE THE CITIZENS NEED TO HAVE A CHOICE IN THIS. AND I'VE ALWAYS HAD A CONCERN. I'VE HAD THIS TALK WITH BRYAN ABOUT WHAT IF THIS FAILS? WELL. IF IT FAILS, WE DIDN'T DO OUR JOB, WE DIDN'T PRESENT IT RIGHT OR WE DIDN'T DO THIS OR DIDN'T DO THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY ON THIS. I THINK THAT GO IS STILL THE CORRECT WAY TO GO. WE NEED TO BE VERSED ON WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO TO LEGALLY MAKE THIS HAPPEN. BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SAFETY ISSUES AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPROVING OUR TRAFFIC. AND WE JUST NEED TO LEAVE IT UP TO THE PEOPLE. AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I REALLY DO. WE'RE GOING TO BE IN A BIND IF THIS DON'T PASS. SO I'M A LITTLE PUCKERED UP OVER IT MYSELF, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT ON THIS. SO I WOULD JUST OFFER A COUPLE OF OTHER THOUGHTS ON THIS TOO IS IS THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ALL STREETS OR NO STREETS ON THE GO. IF YOU FELT LIKE I THINK WE HAD SOME OF THAT CONVERSATION [INAUDIBLE] WAS GOING TO THE PRESENTATION, IF YOU FELT LIKE THERE WERE TWO OR THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE OR WHATEVER IT WAS, PROJECT THAT YOU WANTED TO DO COS. YOU CAN DO THAT AND THEN HAVE THE REST, BE GOS. SO THERE'S A WAY TO SPLIT THAT IF YOU FELT LIKE THERE'S A REASON TO DO THAT, FOR SOME REASON, WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE BOND COMMITTEE. WE WENT THROUGH ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS. ULTIMATELY, THEY RECOMMENDED ALL OF THEM TO BE IN THE GO. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE COUNCIL COULDN'T HAVE SOME DIFFERENT VIEWS ON THAT. I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS AS AN EXAMPLE COULD BE ONE IF YOU WANTED TO PULL THAT OUT OR SOMETHING ELSE, THERE'S OPTIONS FOR YOU TO CHANGE THAT. SO IF THE STREETS FAIL, CAN SO WE CANNOT ISSUE ANY DEBT FOR THREE YEARS ON ANY STREET. I BELIEVE IT'S THE ONES THAT ARE LISTED, ALL THE ONES WHO ARE LISTED. THE TRADITIONAL RULE OF THOUGHT IN PUBLIC DEBT FINANCE FOR MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS IS YOU USE THE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION. METHOD OF FINANCING. IF IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT THAT IS MISSION ESSENTIAL, YOU HAVE TO GET IT IN BECAUSE IT GIVES YOU YOUR BEST OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT IN PLACE EFFECTIVELY, SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN DEFER IF THE VOTERS ARE UNHAPPY YOU PUT ON THE GO BOND. THAT'S THE TRADITIONAL RULE. IF YOU NEED A NEW WATER TOWER AND THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AND THE FIRE CHIEFS SAY WE HAVE TO HAVE IT, THEN WHILE THEY'RE RUNNING THE RISK OF A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND ELECTION, YOU DO IT WITH COS BECAUSE QUITE PRACTICALLY IT'S MORE DIFFICULT TO STOP A CO ISSUANCE BECAUSE THERE HAS TO BE A CITIZEN'S PETITION, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO STOP IT. BUT COUNCILS ARE USUALLY NOT ALWAYS, BUT USUALLY WISE ENOUGH TO USE COS ONLY WHEN IT IS A MISSION ESSENTIAL PROJECT THAT YOU HAVE TO FUND. BUT THE ONE THING YOU NEED TO REMEMBER IS WE CAN HAVE OPEN DISCUSSION NOW ON THE SELECTION OF PROJECTS AND YOU CAN DISCUSS YOUR AT THE PODIUM WHY THEY ARE ESSENTIAL. ONCE WE PICK OUR PACKAGE AND START LAUNCHING IT, THE ONLY THING THE CITY AS AN ENTITY CAN DO IS PROVIDE INFORMATION ON THE PROJECTS AND ON THE PACKAGE. WE CANNOT ADVOCATE FOR IT. THAT MEANS NO CITY STAFF MEMBERS ARE PREPARING DISTRIBUTIONS OR PR MATERIALS ON WHY IT'S A GOOD IDEA. WE CAN'T FUND ANY OF THAT. YOU, AS INDIVIDUAL ELECTED OFFICIALS, CAN APPEAR AT THE ROTARY CLUB, THE LIONS CLUB, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND CAN SAY YOURSELF, YOU BELIEVE IT'S A GOOD IDEA AND WHY. BUT THE CITY ITSELF CANNOT EXPEND PUBLIC FUNDS. ONCE WE AGREE ON A PACKAGE AND ARE PREPARED TO GO FORWARD BECAUSE WE CANNOT SPEND PUBLIC MONEY ADVOCATING FOR OR AGAINST A PROPOSITION. I'VE BEEN MAKING MY LIVING, DOING STREET RECONSTRUCTION WORK FOR CITIES FOR OVER 40 YEARS, AND IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE THAT SOME CITIES CHOOSE TO USE THE GO METHOD FOR FUNDING. AND SOME, LIKE MANSFIELD, FOR INSTANCE, AS I UNDERSTAND USE OF COS FOR [04:15:03] ALL STREET WORK, I DON'T REMEMBER RECALL THEM EVER GOING OUT AND I HEARD FROM THEIR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. THEY HAVE NEVER GONE OUT FOR A VOTER APPROVAL ON STREET CONSTRUCTION, BUT RATHER CHOSE TO USE COS, ON THE OTHER HAND. FORT WORTH DOES IT ROUTINELY. THAT'S THE ONLY METHOD OF OF FINANCING FOR STREET RECONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT THEY USE, AND THEY'RE A MUCH LARGER ENTITY. I DON'T PERSONALLY HAVE ANY GROUNDS FOR CONCERN ABOUT THE PASSAGE OF THE STREET PORTION OF THIS THING, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN MY OBSERVATION THROUGH YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS THAT AS LONG AS A BOND PROGRAM DOES NOT RAISE THE TAX RATE, THE DECISION ABOUT WHICH STREETS TO CONSTRUCT AND THE NECESSITY FOR THEM IS BASICALLY A MINISTERIAL FUNCTION THAT THE CITY IS EXPECTED TO PROVIDE, JUST LIKE PROVIDING PROTECTION FROM FIRE AND FROM CRIME AND SO FORTH. SO I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TREPIDATION ABOUT THE IDEA FOR GOING OUT. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NECESSARILY NEED TO DO THIS. I KNOW THE SUGGESTION WAS MADE TO THE BOND COMMITTEE THAT WE FUND ALL THE PROJECTS, STREET PROJECTS THROUGH COS AND TAKE THAT OFF THE BALLOT ALTOGETHER. AT THIS STAGE OF THINGS, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE WISE BECAUSE WE PRETTY MUCH ALREADY MADE THIS PUBLIC. HAD WE NEVER GONE THERE WITH THAT CONCEPT, I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE SAFELY PREDICTED THAT IF THIS IS A PROJECT LIKE A $50 MILLION FIRE AND POLICE EXPANSION, MAYBE WE DO NEED TO LET THE VOTERS WEIGH IN ON THAT. BUT NOW THAT WE PUSHED IT SO FAR, WE CAN'T GO BACK. SO I THINK WE HAVE TO. I THINK THE STREET PROPOSAL IS VERY MODEST FOR A CITY THIS SIZE FOR ESPECIALLY ONE THAT IS EXPANDING AT THE RATE THAT WE ARE. MOST OF THESE STREET PROJECTS ARE THE LARGEST NUMBER OF DOLLARS OR BASICALLY EXPANSION DRIVEN, NOT NECESSARILY JUST REPAIR AND UPGRADE OF EXISTING FACILITIES. SO I SAY WE DO GO FORWAR WITH THE PACKAGE AS THEY HAVE IT LAID OUT AND JUST HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FAITH THAT THE CITIZENS EXPECT US TO DO OUR [EXPLETIVE] JOB, KEEP THE STREETS FIXED, KEEP TRAFFIC FLOWING, KEEP THE FIRE AND POLICE COMPONENT WELL-SUPPLIED AND WELL-EQUIPPED. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT ON IT. I'M ON BOARD WITH DAN ON THAT. WELL, SAID ANYBODY ELSE? I'LL JUST SAY I DO LIKE THE GO THING. ONE OF THE THINGS I HEARD YOU KNOW FROM THE BOND COMMITTEE IS THAT THERE WERE THINGS THAT THEY IDENTIFIED THAT STAFF AND US DID NOT. SO THAT WAS GOOD. THAT WAS STUFF THEY FELT WAS IMPORTANT. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP THE PULSE OF THE COMMUNITY. AND SO I'M IN AGREEMENT. YEAH, LET'S KEEP THE GO. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IS BRINGING AN ITEM TO YOU ON FEBRUARY 7TH TO CALL THE ELECTION, THAT'S A REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING, BUT BEFORE THEN WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR WORK SESSIONS NEXT WEEK. I THINK WE HAVE A MEETING ON THE 28TH IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY AS WELL, SO I'LL BE GLAD TO PUT ANOTHER WORK SESSION ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA. IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL TOPICS THAT I CAN SEE, SOME OF YOU DON'T WANT THOSE, BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ON IT, WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH YOU. IF THERE'S ANY PROJECT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE MORE INFORMATION, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT. IS THERE A WILLINGNESS TO DO THAT OR DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'VE GOTTEN ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED ON THE PROJECT? THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY, CITY MANAGER LANGLEY, IS THAT BEFORE WE START CALLING THE ELECTION IN THE ORDER, WE HAVE TO SPECIFY THE POLLING LOCATIONS, THE DATES AND THE TIMES AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT HAS TO BE IN THE ORDER. YOU CANNOT JUST CALL IT WITHOUT THAT IN THE ORDER. SO IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. SO WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO UNFORTUNATELY WORKSHOP THIS AGAIN, NOT TO THE EXTENT OF THE OF THE ACTUAL PROPOSITIONS, BUT TO THE ELECTION PROCESS. WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO COME TO CONCLUSIONS ON THOSE. SO WE CAN BRING THAT BACK. LIKELY MAYBE THE NEXT MEETING, WE CAN BRING THAT BACK. AND IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE ON PROJECTS? WHAT WE CAN DO IS ADD AN ITEM JUST SO IT'S THERE AS A PLACEHOLDER. IF YOU THINK OF SOMETHING IN BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, LET US KNOW AND WE CAN MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU. SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE CAD OPTIONS. YEAH, WE CERTAINLY CAN. IF YOU'D LIKE US TO BRING SOME. IF AARPA, ISN'T IT? IS THAT SOMETHING WE'RE WILLING TO LOOK AT COS FOR OR DO WE NEED TO PUT IT ON THIS FOR GOS? I DON'T KNOW [INAUDIBLE]. WELL, THE COMMITTEE HAD RECOMMENDED DOING A CO, AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE CAPACITY THAT HAS JUST BEEN RESERVED FOR THAT PROJECT. SO IT'S IN OUR FINANCIAL PROFORMA AND MODELS BEING FUNDED WITH A CO. FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, GOS AND COS, THEY DON'T MEAN ANYTHING DIFFERENT. IT'S JUST THAT. SO THEY'RE ALL THE SAME. SO WE'VE GOT THAT LOADED IN. BUT IF YOU WANT TO HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT THE CAD SYSTEM, WE COULD BRING BACK [04:20:04] A PARTICULAR PRESENTATION ON THAT. THE COUNCIL DID HIRE A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT TO GO THROUGH AND DO A NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND TO HELP US PREPARE AN RFP, AND THAT'S PROBABLY A FEW MONTHS AWAY BEFORE WE'LL BE ABLE TO COME BACK. AND IT'S LIKELY ABOUT A YEAR OR SO IMPLEMENTATION FOR THAT PRODUCT. OK, IF THERE IS A [INAUDIBLE] MIGHT HAVE COME UP HERE, WE'RE STILL [INAUDIBLE] ON THE SCHOOLS AND OF COURSE, SHE HIT A FREAKING NERVE WHEN YOU SAID THAT. I'M SORRY. BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THIS TO. I WAS THE ONLY ONE OUT OF SEVEN THAT WANTED A NINTH GRADE CAMPUS. OK. I WENT ALONG WITH THEM FINE. BUT THE CITY WE DID THE SAME THING. WE SET UP COMMITTEES AND IT WAS OVERWHELMING AT THE CITY, SAID WE WANT THE $109 MILLION [INAUDIBLE] HIGH SCHOOL. AND I SAID, GREAT, THAT'S WONDERFUL. GLAD WE GOT IT. SO MY WHOLE POINT IS THIS YES, THE CITIZENS DID MAKE THE CALL. I DIDN'T. SO IF THAT BE THE CASE THE SAME WAY HERE, IF THEY IF THE FOLKS WANT IT, I'M ABSOLUTELY FOR IT. BUT AGAIN, YOU CAUGHT ME ON A LITTLE NERVE RIGHT THERE BECAUSE WE HAD A LOT OF FOLKS THAT SAID, AFTER THE FACT THAT SAID BILL HILL VOTED FOR A ONE HUNDRED AND NINE, AND BY THE WAY, I SIGNED THAT I WAS PRESIDENT OF THE SCHOOL BOARD AND I QUICKLY TOLD THEM THAT IF WE COULDN'T PAY, I COULDN'T EITHER. SO BUT THE POINT IS THEY DID SAY, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT. I THINK THAT'S IT, MARTIN. THANK YOU. GREAT POINT, RONNIE. THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT THE PUBLIC. IT GIVES ME A LITTLE BIT OF PEACE OF MIND THERE. OK, MAYOR AND COUNCIL WILL MOVE ON TO SECTION TWO, WHICH IS CITIZEN'S APPEARANCE OTHER THAN PUBLIC HEARINGS, AN ITEM LISTED ON THE POSTED AGENDA, CITIZENS IN ATTENDANCE WHO DESIRE TO SPEAK TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND MAY SPEAK DURING THIS SECTION. AT THIS TIME, I HAVE NO SPEAKER CARDS. IS ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AND ANYTHING NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA? SEEING NO ONE. WE'LL MOVE ON TO SECTION THREE RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT THIS TIME, THERE IS NO NEED FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION. OK. MAYOR, IF YOU COULD CALL FOR A MOTION IN A SECOND WITH NO VOTE FOR ADJOURNMENT. IS THERE A MOTION TO CONVENE? MOVE TO APPROVE. I HAVE A MOTION BY [INAUDIBLE] AND THE SECOND BY JIMMY. WE'RE CLOSING AT 1:41, 1:47 EXCUSE ME. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.